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#1 marksmith

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:48

Started a new thread as this one is more specific than the clinic one. Went for a test at the GUM clinic a few week back, and got a text this morning to contact them. The nurse i spoke to said everything came back negative (inc HIV), but the bloodtest for syphilis came back "inconclusive". She said they normally come back negative, but they can appear inconclusive at times. This is either due to human error (not sure what that means?), or not enough blood. Anyway she said the sample has been sent off to a bigger lab in Leeds where they can test it more thoroughly or something.

I have had no symptoms of an STI. I thought syphilis started with a small, painless sore or ulcer? I havent had anything like that, nor a rash. Can it be symptomless?

She told me i have nothing to worry about and she isnt concerned about it too much (always have covered sex with a WG, but unprotected oral which i told her), but when someone says that to you on the phone, you cant help but worry. May take 2 more week before i know for sure, but im worried like hell now. Just wanted to get it off my chest as its hard to talk to people i know about it for obvious reasons

So yea, anyone else had inconclusive results?

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:04

No directly comparable experience, but I feel for you.

Everything she's told you is reassuring, but of course you're anxious – and thus taking "inconclusive" way beyond face value. We've all done it.

All the signs are that you're fine, you have no obvious risks. OWO is more likely to pass gonorrhea (or HPV, we now learn) than syph; WGs are more likely to be clued up on sexual health than many another sex partner.

Try to hold on to the cold facts while you wait - after all there's nothing else you can do! /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Chances are that all is well.

Let us know how you get on.

Edited by dicko62, 19 January 2011 - 13:05.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:06

Thanks for that. How common is catching Syphilis via OWO?

I know technically im no worse off (i didnt know if i had to before the test, and i still dont now), but it seems its human nature to think the worse. The nurse did say she will check my notes daily to see when the results are back

Was going to have a punt on Friday but obviously i wont do that incase i have got something. Not fair on the girl

Edited by marksmith, 19 January 2011 - 13:07.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:35

Just to add, i was on Penicillin for tonsillitis about 5 week ago. I asked if this could have effected the result, but she said no. However, according to the NHS website a Penicllin is used to treat the disease. So wonder if they would have cured it even if i did have it?

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:37

Hang in there mate. Inconclusive is way better that "yes you have" So hold onto that thought

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:39

Yea i know it is, and you're right. Still doesnt stop you crapping yourself tho /sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:40

Just to add, i was on Penicillin for tonsillitis about 5 week ago. I asked if this could have effected the result, but she said no. However, according to the NHS website a Penicllin is used to treat the disease. So wonder if they would have cured it even if i did have it?


One question that they do seem to ask is have you taken antibiotics during the last four weeks. From what you say (antibiotics five weeks ago) that could have been within the four week period when they took the sample from you for analysis. That may be what is cauing the test to come back unclear, but that is only speculation. I would suggest getting back in touch, and ask if this info about taking antibiotics could be significant.

Good luck

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 13:46

They asked during the initial consulation when i last took antibiotics. I said i cant remember exactly but its around 4-5 week. She said thats fine. I then said on the phone today it was 4-5 week since i last had antibiotics and she said this wouldnt have effected the results.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 15:28

Thanks for that. How common is catching Syphilis via OWO?


Sorry, can't tell you. But, in general on a quick search, gonorrhea rates are about 30 times syphilis infections; chlamydia rate about 1000 times higher than syphilis (really!). It's highly unlikely that you got syphilis from OWO.

But there you go - you can't help worrying. Try to stick with the facts. See a film. Read a book. Great that you've got the nurse on your side, too.

#10 marksmith

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 17:00

Thanks. Just read up about it on nhs website, and seems it nothing much to worry about providing its caught in the early stages.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 17:13

I doubt very much you'll have it.

Something similar happend to me a few years back...had a blood test, asked back as it was abnormal, scared shitless I had cancer or something. Turned out I was dehydrated on the day of the test and this had given rise to odd results. Considering it was the middle of Summer and the hottest day of the year, the quacks could have saved me a whole load of stress, if they had said in the letter that this was a possibility!

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 17:23

Yea bet that was awful for you. The guy taking my blood did say it looked very oxygenated and light in colour to say it was taken directly from the vein. Dunno why, neither did he. Who knows if this had an effect.

Just wish they hadnt have told me tho, and instead sent them off to be tested again without me knowing

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 18:06

I too have been told about taking antibiotics which can affect the results - on my first time at a GUM, I had to cancel the test literally just after I had arrived as I had no idea about this rule!

How long after your last encounter did you have the test done? There's supposed to be something like a 6 week period since your last exposure to give a conclusive result.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 18:22

Assuming you mean sex, rather than last time i took antibiotics, about 4 days /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I told them it was a few month tho just incase they said come back in a few week or something. Ive been seeing WG's regular for about a year anyway

Edited by marksmith, 19 January 2011 - 18:23.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 18:26

Started a new thread as this one is more specific than the clinic one. Went for a test at the GUM clinic a few week back, and got a text this morning to contact them. The nurse i spoke to said everything came back negative (inc HIV), but the bloodtest for syphilis came back "inconclusive". She said they normally come back negative, but they can appear inconclusive at times. This is either due to human error (not sure what that means?), or not enough blood. Anyway she said the sample has been sent off to a bigger lab in Leeds where they can test it more thoroughly or something.

I have had no symptoms of an STI. I thought syphilis started with a small, painless sore or ulcer? I havent had anything like that, nor a rash. Can it be symptomless?

She told me i have nothing to worry about and she isnt concerned about it too much (always have covered sex with a WG, but unprotected oral which i told her), but when someone says that to you on the phone, you cant help but worry. May take 2 more week before i know for sure, but im worried like hell now. Just wanted to get it off my chest as its hard to talk to people i know about it for obvious reasons

So yea, anyone else had inconclusive results?


I'm still waiting for the punchline.

The GUM clinic can/will tell you everything you need to know. Any so called experts here, are amateurs by comparison.

I've been having unprotected oral sex for over 30 years, and no diseases, my buddy has unprotected sex for similar time, no diseases, a 19yr old private, had sex first time, now has HIV - go figure.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 18:29

Yea im not expecting answers on here. I just needed to get it off my chest, and seeing people on here may have had similar experiences, i thought it may put my mind at rest

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 19:30

Yea im not expecting answers on here. I just needed to get it off my chest, and seeing people on here may have had similar experiences, i thought it may put my mind at rest


Syphilis shows few symptoms on a women for a very long time which is why girls need to get regular checks. It is easy for a girl to get syphilis through owo and then pass it on through sex without her even realising. It would be very unlikely she would pass it on through owo though.

I had a BF that was shagging a WG who offered OWO, it was me who noticed the large spot on his dick the first sign of syphilis before either of them even knew they had it. I know they were pathetically having unprotected sex and that she had caught it through OWO and passed it onto him through BB. I was very lucky not to catch it and I don't know how I didn't but it was an unpleasant way to find out what is going on in your love life behind your back.

Unless you have a large white spot it is called a chancer on your dick I would not worry and as you only had OWO then I would say the chances are minimal, if you are having unprotected sex then just like him you deserve all you get. I would say the clinic have just messed up, probably lost your sample or something. I have blood tests all the time for thyroid problems and every few months they use the excuse we didn't take enough blood which according to my doctor means lost it somewhere.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 19:37

I'm still waiting for the punchline.

The GUM clinic can/will tell you everything you need to know. Any so called experts here, are amateurs by comparison.

I've been having unprotected oral sex for over 30 years, and no diseases, my buddy has unprotected sex for similar time, no diseases, a 19yr old private, had sex first time, now has HIV - go figure.


Its called a calculated risk I believe, the risk is that the next person you see is infected - Russian roulette is a very similar game and at least if you lose that one death is painless and instant.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 19:52

Syphilis shows few symptoms on a women for a very long time which is why girls need to get regular checks. It is easy for a girl to get syphilis through owo and then pass it on through sex without her even realising. It would be very unlikely she would pass it on through owo though.

I had a BF that was shagging a WG who offered OWO, it was me who noticed the large spot on his dick the first sign of syphilis before either of them even knew they had it. I know they were pathetically having unprotected sex and that she had caught it through OWO and passed it onto him through BB. I was very lucky not to catch it and I don't know how I didn't but it was an unpleasant way to find out what is going on in your love life behind your back.

Unless you have a large white spot it is called a chancer on your dick I would not worry and as you only had OWO then I would say the chances are minimal, if you are having unprotected sex then just like him you deserve all you get. I would say the clinic have just messed up, probably lost your sample or something. I have blood tests all the time for thyroid problems and every few months they use the excuse we didn't take enough blood which according to my doctor means lost it somewhere.


They havent lost it as the same sample has been sent off again to a different lab. Like i said i was on Penicllin a month before the test, maybe that caused problems who knows. Thanks for the info anyway. And no never had BB sex (WG or not) in my life

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 22:11

Syphillis is not the scourge it used to be.
I believe its pretty much treatable nowerdays anyway.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 23:04

I have had exactly the same issues as you not once but twice my GUM sends it to Bristol. What it means is that the local lab can not test it but the other labs have more accurate equipment. Non conclusive can be due to many reasons. If you had caught syphilis in the last six months you would more than likely have known about it by now, spots on the skin, palms of the hands and feet etc.

It is treatable but like herpes it stays in your body and will always show in a blood test, and they will tell your GP like they do with HIV.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 23:24

If you go down to the Hunterian Museum at the Royal College of Surgeons you can see their collection of pathological specimens, with skulls pockmarked with syphilis, bones deformed by it, and dicks with syphilitic sores in formalin. The retired surgeon conducting parties round said that when he was training in the 1960s they still had old men presenting as teaching patients with these deformed limbs.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 00:01

If you go down to the Hunterian Museum at the Royal College of Surgeons you can see their collection of pathological specimens, with skulls pockmarked with syphilis, bones deformed by it, and dicks with syphilitic sores in formalin. The retired surgeon conducting parties round said that when he was training in the 1960s they still had old men presenting as teaching patients with these deformed limbs.


Mark, Sorry too hear about the ordeal youre going threw waiting for your results! Which Escorting agency do you usually use? Have all the Lady's been tested their anyway?

Have you asked them if they are aware of any sysmptems in their establishment?

Fingers crossed you're allclear anyway mate!!!

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:50

Please let us know how everything went(I.e the results). I honestly feel you will be okay. Just take it easy mate!

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 19:48

Thanks guys. Ive only ever been to Sandys, but i wont name the girls in question unless its a positive result, its not fair on them until i know. Do they test the girls regular? Who knows. If it is positive i will inform them

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 19:49

I have had exactly the same issues as you not once but twice my GUM sends it to Bristol. What it means is that the local lab can not test it but the other labs have more accurate equipment. Non conclusive can be due to many reasons. If you had caught syphilis in the last six months you would more than likely have known about it by now, spots on the skin, palms of the hands and feet etc.

It is treatable but like herpes it stays in your body and will always show in a blood test, and they will tell your GP like they do with HIV.


How did they contact you when the sample got sent away to be retested? The nurse wasnt sure if the lab would contact me directly, or get the GUM clinic to text me again

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 20:54

How did they contact you when the sample got sent away to be retested? The nurse wasnt sure if the lab would contact me directly, or get the GUM clinic to text me again


All contact is via the GUM the lab cannot contact you as they dont have your details all they have is a sample with a number on it. I think all GUM clinics use the number system they dont use the name system. I could be wrong.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 21:32

Thanks guys. Ive only ever been to Sandys, but i wont name the girls in question unless its a positive result, its not fair on them until i know. Do they test the girls regular? Who knows. If it is positive i will inform them

Out of order you come across as a little paranoid that you might catch something off a WG, then you get an inconclusive test result and you have been given many reasons why this may be, yet somewhere in your infinite wisdom you have decided to name the parlour where you might have caught this from, what the hell are you thinking?

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 21:40

Out of order you come across as a little paranoid that you might catch something off a WG, then you get an inconclusive test result and you have been given many reasons why this may be, yet somewhere in your infinite wisdom you have decided to name the parlour where you might have caught this from, what the hell are you thinking?

S x


Well said. Totally out of order.
I have had inconclusive results in the past before. Yet when I was retested they have come back OK.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 21:47

Out of order you come across as a little paranoid that you might catch something off a WG, then you get an inconclusive test result and you have been given many reasons why this may be, yet somewhere in your infinite wisdom you have decided to name the parlour where you might have caught this from, what the hell are you thinking?

S x


When i say ive only been to Sandys, i mean that literally. Ive only ever had sex with Sandys girls. All my sexual experiences in my life have been with WGs, and only from Sandys. (see the "never had a girlfrien" thread i made)

Im not saying i got it from there, i was asked which parlour i visit by Sherman . So i answered it

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 22:01

Why not start the treatment for it anyway?

AFAIK it is easily treated with antibiotics, unless a strain which is resistant (in which case it may take a few attempts to find a suitable drug).

OWO is a risk for any STI to some extent.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 22:04

Because the nurse told me to wait on the results.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 20:20

Results came back negative

Went to the clinic today as i was passing and asked. 5 mins later i nurse spoke to me with my results, saying that no trace of Syphilis was found. Dunno why they didnt text me tho?

They want me to go back next month for another test, just to be sure. Guess its standard procedure when you get inconslusive results the 1st time

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 21:43

Results came back negative


Good news. You must feel relieved.

Went to the clinic today as i was passing and asked. 5 mins later i nurse spoke to me with my results, saying that no trace of Syphilis was found. Dunno why they didnt text me tho?


Many clinics operate a "no news is good news" policy and only contact anyone when a test comes back positive. I much prefer to be notified either way. My local GUM sends a text 4 days after the tests. So far it's always read "Results clear. No need to contact us". It's still a great feeling reading it every few months /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> .

They want me to go back next month for another test, just to be sure. Guess its standard procedure when you get inconslusive results the 1st time


I suspect you are right.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 22:44

My clinic always text you. Probably get one tomorrow now

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 01:32

WOW... have to congratulate you Mark on your wonderful achievement :::

35 Replies / 1,595 Views for a FALSE ALARM !!!

Perhaps you will wait for the results next time before raising the alarm and mentioning the Agency in foum where you may have caught this non-infection /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> /laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
NOT just try to saying the right thing without thinking of the consequesnes as so many on here do !!!!

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 01:34

Why not start the treatment for it anyway?

AFAIK it is easily treated with antibiotics, unless a strain which is resistant (in which case it may take a few attempts to find a suitable drug).

OWO is a risk for any STI to some extent.


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Edited by puntaprima, 27 January 2011 - 01:35.

NOT just try to saying the right thing without thinking of the consequesnes as so many on here do !!!!

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 01:54

Glad too hear you got the All Clear Mark!

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 18:24

Question If a working girl has told you she has syphilis then how likely are you to be to catching syphilis as well?
I mean if I use a condom should it be a safe bet? or is it likely to infect me as well?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 18:30

Only one answer to this - clinic - private if you want the result quickly.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 21:57

Question If a working girl has told you she has syphilis then how likely are you to be to catching syphilis as well?
I mean if I use a condom should it be a safe bet? or is it likely to infect me as well?


Having sex with a girl who you know has syphilis? Oh dear!

And if the condom breaks?

Furthermore, you cannot be sure where any chancres might be present. As well as being around the genitals and anus, these highly infectious sores can also arise in and around the mouth and lips.

OWO, DFK and even light kissing would be out, and any contact by her bare hands on your genitals would be very risky, because you couldn't be sure they were completely free of the bacterium.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:48

Having sex with a girl who you know has syphilis? Oh dear!

And if the condom breaks?

Furthermore, you cannot be sure where any chancres might be present. As well as being around the genitals and anus, these highly infectious sores can also arise in and around the mouth and lips.

OWO, DFK and even light kissing would be out, and any contact by her bare hands on your genitals would be very risky, because you couldn't be sure they were completely free of the bacterium.

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Quite right Reverend. Why would anyone want to have sex with someone they knew had Syphilis, very odd to my mind. /eek.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eek:' /> My advice to Down is advise her to go to the GUM immediately without any delay.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:30

Playing devils advocate here, but could she have passed this snippet of information along after the event?

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 00:46

Playing devils advocate here, but could she have passed this snippet of information along after the event?


Fair point Medwayguy, Down's post could be read as if he was told after the deed.

Though I think the word "use" should have been in the past tense if that were the case:

"I mean if I used a condom should it be a safe bet?"
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 21:44

Just thought that I'd mention that there are two type of STI sores with similar names - chancre and canker. Don't confuse them as chancre is the syphilis one and appears on the penis (and other places). Canker is more cold sore/herpes related. I did like the post that referred to the boyfriend's spot as a chancer, though - quite appropriate in the circumstances. Ju

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 21:56

And what did the unwarranted naming of Sandy's cost them in lost business?I remember a similar case a few years ago concerning Ideal in S. Kensington as it was the only time in many years of punting that I mentioned Punternet. I asked Nana, the manager, about the allegation (as I knewknow her well) and she would have strangled the poster for spreading false rumours and losing her business. On the humorous side she did say "Pammanet? Wankas" whilst making the appropriate hand movement.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 14:58

Fair point Medwayguy, Down's post could be read as if he was told after the deed.



NO It was mentioned before the deed. She just metioned it as part of conversation I will have a private word with her about it next time I see her I dont know if she said it as a joke or was serious but i will sure try and find out abit more about it.
and the revs comments are scary as shes touched me loads and kissed me.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 13:32

Tests for syphilis have their limitations. Basically a positive result by one test has to be confirmed by a positive by another test before it is believed------ which leaves uncertainty where just one test is positive. It is possible here that an incubating infection was aborted by MS's penicillin, and that this led to the mix of results, though I don't see a clear chronology above re dates of possible exposure and dates.

Assuming it is treated & cured syphilis does not lie dormant in the body, as herpes commonly does [see Curry's point above). However antibodies may remain in circulation and these confused future testing, making it hard to distinguish current and previous infection.

Re Down's point of 18.24 on 19/3----- it's very easy to catch syphilis from someone who is infected (much, much easier than HIV). Orogenital infection transmission occurs, as does oral to oral if one partner has a lesion in his/her mouth; ditto it can be transferred from genitals to a minor scratch on a finger (STD doctors notoriously got infected this way in the C19). It'd be unwise to assume a condom is perfect protection [though a diving suit might be] and studies to test their efficacy are of low quality.

The good news on the topic is that it's a rare disease in the UK nowadays with most cases in gay men.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 21:22

Thank god it the outcome was the one the OP and everyone would have hoped for.