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#1 Inna

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 13:48

I have been wondering about some of the controversies that are used to marginalise WGs and the demon of illegal drug use is often brought up to suggest that most sex workers are drug addicts reduced to selling themselves to fund their habit....

Firstly a lot of people use recreational drugs and if such drugs were affordable and accessible then no one would need hundreds or thousands of pounds to pay for the drugs they wanted, so women who need large sums of money to pay for the drugs they want are the victims of a distorted and criminalised drug market... not prostitution.

So if you want to reduce the number of women who sell sex for drugs... make drugs affordable and available, then they can work in Tesco's or anywhere and have enough money for the drugs they want.

Also if people have an IDU habit then they are better off with services like this... http://**.com/64ybwa7

If designer clothes, jewellery and the other expensive things I enjoy were not so expensive I might do something else... but I would probably just find other expensive things to acquire or enjoy...

I can live without the luxuries I enjoy so I am free to work as a WG or do something else... but when the only way you can pay for an artificially expensive addiction is to steal or sex your body then something needs to be done about the price of the drugs not the "sex".

Edited by Inna, 03 October 2011 - 13:52.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 15:04

Well said, Inna. We need some refreshing insight into the drugs debate. I shall not comment any further because the mods will tell me off, prolly because I am a naughty drugs-pig.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 16:15

Have to agree with what you have said Inna - the War on Drugs isn't working and has probably caused more drug use and social harm than it's prevented. Unfortunately, far too many people make money on the back of legal and illegal drugs for their to be a change coming soon.

Would the financial industry require less in bonuses if the price of cocaine was reduced ?
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 19:07

If they made the drugs available, they wouldn't be cheaper. The government would charge huge tax's to get their share of the profit /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

The dealers would just now be wearing suits and working in the Houses of Parliament /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 19:40

People would still have to earn money to buy them, even if they were as cheap (expensive) as cigarettes, and the chaotic unreliable lifestyle of users isn't conducive to holding down a 9-5 job.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 20:54

If they made the drugs available, they wouldn't be cheaper. The government would charge huge tax's to get their share of the profit /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> The dealers would just now be wearing suits and working in the Houses of Parliament /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />


Totally agree with you and shown by the taxes on the legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco. Pharmaceutical companies arent poor either producing legal drugs.

As to illegal drugs in general, say no is the available option open to all but those forced, its initially a personal choice and your own personal responsibility sometimes peer pressure but many dont do drugs or get to the point of addiction. I smoked weed in my youth but realised the damage it could cause so stopped and never went back there despite great times when stoned. Like many ex-smokers i am totally anti illegal drugs and not happy about legal drugs either. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 20:57

If they made the drugs available, they wouldn't be cheaper. The government would charge huge tax's to get their share of the profit /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

The dealers would just now be wearing suits and working in the Houses of Parliament /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />


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#8 Sarah Summers

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 21:35

I have been wondering about some of the controversies that are used to marginalise WGs and the demon of illegal drug use is often brought up to suggest that most sex workers are drug addicts reduced to selling themselves to fund their habit....

Firstly a lot of people use recreational drugs and if such drugs were affordable and accessible then no one would need hundreds or thousands of pounds to pay for the drugs they wanted, so women who need large sums of money to pay for the drugs they want are the victims of a distorted and criminalised drug market... not prostitution.

So if you want to reduce the number of women who sell sex for drugs... make drugs affordable and available, then they can work in Tesco's or anywhere and have enough money for the drugs they want.

Also if people have an IDU habit then they are better off with services like this... http://**.com/64ybwa7

If designer clothes, jewellery and the other expensive things I enjoy were not so expensive I might do something else... but I would probably just find other expensive things to acquire or enjoy...

I can live without the luxuries I enjoy so I am free to work as a WG or do something else... but when the only way you can pay for an artificially expensive addiction is to steal or sex your body then something needs to be done about the price of the drugs not the "sex".

Would it be that it were as simple as that Inna!

For me, the girl who is hooked on drugs and selling her body to raise the money to buy the drugs is not a sex worker. She is a drug addict and if there was something else she could do other than sell her body - she would be doing it.

They need help to stop taking the drugs, not the price of them lowering........ Help the vulnerable and get them off the drugs.

I am a sex worker. I take a pride in my work. I am dedicated to doing my job well. I doubt the girl turning a quick trick is thinking about her client, but then the man who uses 'street' needs shooting IMHO.

I think I'd better stop now........

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 21:41

Two different scenarios as far as I am concerned:-

1) WG's who have to turn to prostitution because of their addiction to an expensive habit, and cannot stop at any time because of their addiction.

2) WG's who choose to turn to prostitution for many reasons, but can stop at any time if they wish.
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 22:28

Nobody has any right to tell another what they can or can't do with their body. If somebody wants to sell their body to make money that is their right, if somebody wants to get stupid tattooed on their forehead that is their right and if somebody wants to get loaded on opium or high as a kite on weed, then it is their body and they can put whatever they want into it. The only laws we need are those that prevent harm being done to others, that is where there is a unwilling participant having things done to them murder, robbery, rape ....etc.

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People would still have to earn money to buy them, even if they were as cheap (expensive) as cigarettes, and the chaotic unreliable lifestyle of users isn't conducive to holding down a 9-5 job.


You seem to be lumping all drugs in together here, to say all drug users lives are unreliable and chaotic, is completely wrong. I have known many people who have used cannabis regularly and been successful in their careers, hundreds of thousands of people in all kinds of high flying careers use cocaine recreationally at weekends and it has no effect on their ability to function. Magic mushrooms, LSD, Ecstasy, cannabis, ketamine, speed, mescaline, DMT all these are less addictive than both nicotine and alcohol and cause less damage to your physical health, it is also possible to enjoy such drugs at weekends and carry on with your normal working life during the week.

The idea that you can walk into a field pick up a magic mushroom, which are just coming into season and can be found all over the UK, and by arrested for this is totally ridiculous. That these mushrooms were moved from a class C drug to class a by new labour, is a policy based purely on fear of the unknown and ignorance.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 22:41

Nobody has any right to tell another what they can or can't do with their body. If somebody wants to sell their body to make money that is their right, if somebody wants to get stupid tattooed on their forehead that is their right and if somebody wants to get loaded on opium or high as a kite on weed, then it is their body and they can put whatever they want into it. The only laws we need are those that prevent harm being done to others, that is where there is a unwilling participant having things done to them murder, robbery, rape ....etc.



You seem to be lumping all drugs in together here, to say all drug users lives are unreliable and chaotic, is completely wrong. I have known many people who have used cannabis regularly and been successful in their careers, hundreds of thousands of people in all kinds of high flying careers use cocaine recreationally at weekends and it has no effect on their ability to function. Magic mushrooms, LSD, Ecstasy, cannabis, ketamine, speed, mescaline, DMT all these are less addictive than both nicotine and alcohol and cause less damage to your physical health, it is also possible to enjoy such drugs at weekends and carry on with your normal working life during the week.

The idea that you can walk into a field pick up a magic mushroom, which are just coming into season and can be found all over the UK, and by arrested for this is totally ridiculous. That these mushrooms were moved from a class C drug to class a by new labour, is a policy based purely on fear of the unknown and ignorance.


Not everyone has the willpower to use drugs for recreation and live a normal life. Some people have addictive personalities. Some people become mentally ill from overusage of certain drugs, Cannabis is one of the worst drugs IMHO It can cause psychosis in young men in particular, and lead to the use of other drugs.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 23:04


Not everyone has the willpower to use drugs for recreation and live a normal life. Some people have addictive personalities. Some people become mentally ill from overusage of certain drugs, Cannabis is one of the worst drugs IMHO It can cause psychosis in young men in particular, and lead to the use of other drugs.


Indeed it can and the most popular varient, Skunk is far more powerful than the rocky Cannabis i smoked in the 80s. I was able to work but its laziness that was a big downside for me.

Illegal drugs are often mixed with chemicals the user has no idea about and obviously the effect they can have on them.

Some people can function on cocaine and uppers but with Crack its a totally different scenario, they become paranoid and spend time on the floor scrambling about looking for bits of Crack they think they have dropped which they havent, very sad and deeply upleasant to witness as is Heroin addicts shooting up in there necks, groins and anus area where it gets into the blood stream quickly. The overall problem is they havent the wish to get clean and prefer obliveration rather than rehab. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 23:08

Would it be that it were as simple as that Inna!

For me, the girl who is hooked on drugs and selling her body to raise the money to buy the drugs is not a sex worker. She is a drug addict and if there was something else she could do other than sell her body - she would be doing it.

They need help to stop taking the drugs, not the price of them lowering........ Help the vulnerable and get them off the drugs.

I am a sex worker. I take a pride in my work. I am dedicated to doing my job well. I doubt the girl turning a quick trick is thinking about her client, but then the man who uses 'street' needs shooting IMHO.

I think I'd better stop now........


What about people who have an expensive habit but are not necessarily an addict?

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 23:29


What about people who have an expensive habit but are not necessarily an addict?


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 00:37

Not everyone has the willpower to use drugs for recreation and live a normal life. Some people have addictive personalities.


But this is not a reason to make them illegal and put them in jail, Alcohol is far more addictive than any of the following Magic mushrooms, LSD, Ecstasy, cannabis, ketamine, speed, mescaline, does more damage to health and is more dangerous, as in leads people to violent/risky behaviour but no one thinks alcohol should be banned. You make the assumption that legalising cannabis would lead to an increase in its use, this has not been the case in Holland where cannabis has stayed at the same level in the population despite it being legal. The fact is that banning drugs does not prevent people getting access to them, despite 30 years and billions of pounds the police have had no discernible impact on the level of drugs entering the country. Look at the example of prohibition in the USA, pushing drinking underground did nothing to stop levels of alcoholism instead it created massive profits for the mafia, profits they used to corrupt whole police forces, judicial systems, political parties. A similar situation can be witnessed now in Mexico where an entire society is being destroyed with 35,000 killed in the last four years in the war on drugs, a bloodier war than Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya combined.


Some people become mentally ill from overusage of certain drugs, Cannabis is one of the worst drugs IMHO It can cause psychosis in young men in particular,


There have been no conclusive studies done that show this to be the case, it is often true that many people with a history of mental problems use cannabis, but this does not mean that cannabis drove them mad. People with mental issue are more likely to have drink and drug problems, as an attempt on their part to self medicate to deal with already present problems. The seeds of psychological problems are sown early in life and are caused by many things, lack of care, abuse mental/sexual/physical, I find it very hard to believe that a well adjusted psychologically sound young person could be driven mad by cannabis. Even if cannabis does cause psychosis then this would still be easier for the NHS to treat if it were legal, the legal position of the drug means people are unwilling to mention to their healthcare professional they are a user, also people are more likely to keep it secret from friends family, it would be easier to spot problem users if the drug were legal.


and lead to the use of other drugs


Again cannabis being illegal means that often it is sold by the same people who sell heroin, make it legal sell it in cafe as in Holland and it is no longer a gateway drug as you cannot buy it from the same dealer. the sad fact is that in this country it is often easier for under 16's to get cannabis than cigarettes, the cannabis dealer does not ask for proof of age.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:56

Some great comments.

The anti-lobby deliberately conflate these two things and it needs to be continuously challenged if we are ever to see our rights respected.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:00


Cannabis is one of the worst drugs IMHO It can cause psychosis in young men in particular, and lead to the use of other drugs.

I think you will find that most users of the "harder" drugs started off using alcohol and nicotine.

For my money alcohol is still the biggest danger. That's where most people start off. What with domestic violence, drunken driving etc alcohol should be treated in the same way as harder drugs. In my book that means legalising some of the harder stuff and regulating the supply to stop weaker folk being exploited.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:08

I think you will find that most users of the "harder" drugs started off using alcohol and nicotine.

For my money alcohol is still the biggest danger. That's where most people start off. What with domestic violence, drunken driving etc alcohol should be treated in the same way as harder drugs. In my book that means legalising some of the harder stuff and regulating the supply to stop weaker folk being exploited.


I think that more people die from smoking related diseases than any other drug.
I read in a book some figures about how much was spent per person in the country on each addiction in relation to how many actually died, Heroine and hard drug users were having £10000s spent on them per person while only a few measly quid per person on the biggest killer of all, which is totally LEGAL to use!

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:28

Alcohol and tobacco, two legal drugs, are much more dangerous then cannabis. Hundreds of thousands of people die a year from these drugs, it's physically impossible to overdose from sole use of cannabis. You'd have to smoke 40x your own body weight and you'd fall asleep before you got close. They should legalise it and tax it, put the money in the NHS instead of dealers pockets. They never will because politics > pragmatism. Look what they did to professer nut, forced him out because they didn't accept science. The facts speak for themselves. I'd happily see a wg who blazed but not if they did anything else. I'm not holding my breath though coz most women i know hate cannabis and it's probably the same for wgs.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:36

Christ, another peek in here and it’s like injecting the Daily Mail right into my fucking eyeballs. Any attempt at rational debate lost forever. You’ll all fuck anything with a heartbeat but any mention of drugs and suddenly everyone’s got a rod up their arse.


Totally agree with you and shown by the taxes on the legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco. Pharmaceutical companies arent poor either producing legal drugs.

As to illegal drugs in general, say no is the available option open to all but those forced, its initially a personal choice and your own personal responsibility sometimes peer pressure but many dont do drugs or get to the point of addiction. I smoked weed in my youth but realised the damage it could cause so stopped and never went back there despite great times when stoned. Like many ex-smokers i am totally anti illegal drugs and not happy about legal drugs either. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



What damage exactly, smiffy? Did you eat all the biscuits? Unputdownable Pringles? 3am outcalls to the pizza parlour? I can see how the pepperoni and pineapple toppings could have unpleasant consequences. Or did you swing the other way and singe the whiskers off cats? Jesus fella, get a grip.


Not everyone has the willpower to use drugs for recreation and live a normal life. Some people have addictive personalities. Some people become mentally ill from overusage of certain drugs, Cannabis is one of the worst drugs IMHO It can cause psychosis in young men in particular, and lead to the use of other drugs.



It didn’t take long for this long disproved gateway addiction theory to re-emerge as plain undisputed fact. Only on here. Most addicts actually started on tea and coffee. Automatic heroin addiction does not necessarily follow as most of us can testify.


Cocaine and heroin use are officially on the decline. Nobody (who is remotely informed) does much of that shit anymore. Not because of any successful campaign but because all the smart kiddies are on the RCs and have been for years. You can still tickle your opioid receptors perfectly legally. The beta ketone analogues are where it’s at. But of course y’all knew that already. Know the difference between benzo fury and psycho sage? 2cb from MPV? It’s a different world of drugs now.

Mephedrone was a case in point. Best sex drug ever. Better even than molly. £3K a ki pre ban. £10K a ki post ban. Now it’s illegal we can shovel in a 50% cut of vitamin C and still get £12K a ki for that. So, a tidy £21K profit per ki, for all those shrewd investors since the government in their infinite wisdom managed to score another spectacular own goal in the wank on drugs. Oh well, I don’t make the laws, I just find ways around ‘em. Turn profits into punts I said. I laughed like a drain and rubbed my grubby little hands in glee.

Now everyone’s searching for the M-cat replacement. You can find M-ket. Clever bit of marketing with the name but I foresee problems. It’s not the same thing at all. It’s singularly the most deranged, mind-bending dissociative hallucinogen I have ever experienced. Guess what? It’s completely fucking legal and getting more popular due to the current ket drought. It makes LSD look as benign as jelly beans in a nursery. It truly is some mad wonky shit and I do not recommend it. It’s a vasoconstrictor even at extremely low doses. Expect the A&E departments to start reporting its usage. You heard it here first folks.

I don’t wanna sound like a braggart but I first took acid in 1969 and I’ve got the diseases to validate my decades of debauchery, but until we all discuss drugs more openly the mentalists are gonna rock up and lecture us about reefer madness. Misinformation is dangerously unhelpful.

I also can’t believe I’m the only member of the NBC club on here who’s willing to out themselves. The rest of you fellas are probably too busy snorting gak off some bird’s inner thighs. Alright you’re excused, but when you’ve finished get on here and give me some support. Kick out the jams motherfuckers. Let’s be honest.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:47

Christ, another peek in here and it’s like injecting the Daily Mail right into my fucking eyeballs. Any attempt at rational debate lost forever. You’ll all fuck anything with a heartbeat but any mention of drugs and suddenly everyone’s got a rod up their arse.




What damage exactly, smiffy? Did you eat all the biscuits? Unputdownable Pringles? 3am outcalls to the pizza parlour? I can see how the pepperoni and pineapple toppings could have unpleasant consequences. Or did you swing the other way and singe the whiskers off cats? Jesus fella, get a grip.




It didn’t take long for this long disproved gateway addiction theory to re-emerge as plain undisputed fact. Only on here. Most addicts actually started on tea and coffee. Automatic heroin addiction does not necessarily follow as most of us can testify.


Cocaine and heroin use are officially on the decline. Nobody (who is remotely informed) does much of that shit anymore. Not because of any successful campaign but because all the smart kiddies are on the RCs and have been for years. You can still tickle your opioid receptors perfectly legally. The beta ketone analogues are where it’s at. But of course y’all knew that already. Know the difference between benzo fury and psycho sage? 2cb from MPV? It’s a different world of drugs now.

Mephedrone was a case in point. Best sex drug ever. Better even than molly. £3K a ki pre ban. £10K a ki post ban. Now it’s illegal we can shovel in a 50% cut of vitamin C and still get £12K a ki for that. So, a tidy £21K profit per ki, for all those shrewd investors since the government in their infinite wisdom managed to score another spectacular own goal in the wank on drugs. Oh well, I don’t make the laws, I just find ways around ‘em. Turn profits into punts I said. I laughed like a drain and rubbed my grubby little hands in glee.

Now everyone’s searching for the M-cat replacement. You can find M-ket. Clever bit of marketing with the name but I foresee problems. It’s not the same thing at all. It’s singularly the most deranged, mind-bending dissociative hallucinogen I have ever experienced. Guess what? It’s completely fucking legal and getting more popular due to the current ket drought. It makes LSD look as benign as jelly beans in a nursery. It truly is some mad wonky shit and I do not recommend it. It’s a vasoconstrictor even at extremely low doses. Expect the A&E departments to start reporting its usage. You heard it here first folks.

I don’t wanna sound like a braggart but I first took acid in 1969 and I’ve got the diseases to validate my decades of debauchery, but until we all discuss drugs more openly the mentalists are gonna rock up and lecture us about reefer madness. Misinformation is dangerously unhelpful.

I also can’t believe I’m the only member of the NBC club on here who’s willing to out themselves. The rest of you fellas are probably too busy snorting gak off some bird’s inner thighs. Alright you’re excused, but when you’ve finished get on here and give me some support. Kick out the jams motherfuckers. Let’s be honest.

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LOL I had a right giggle at this, I used to be a recreational user (9 years ago once a month bender with a bunch of friends) of this an that but the only reason I am not now is the drugs in this country is kak not worth the money. Besides can't find my choice in this country for love nor money.


wrong person /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 09:02

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 09:23

Christ, another peek in here and it’s like injecting the Daily Mail right into my fucking eyeballs. Any attempt at rational debate lost forever. You’ll all fuck anything with a heartbeat but any mention of drugs and suddenly everyone’s got a rod up their arse. What damage exactly, smiffy? Did you eat all the biscuits? Unputdownable Pringles? 3am outcalls to the pizza parlour? I can see how the pepperoni and pineapple toppings could have unpleasant consequences. Or did you swing the other way and singe the whiskers off cats? Jesus fella, get a grip. It didn’t take long for this long disproved gateway addiction theory to re-emerge as plain undisputed fact. Only on here. Most addicts actually started on tea and coffee. Automatic heroin addiction does not necessarily follow as most of us can testify. Cocaine and heroin use are officially on the decline. Nobody (who is remotely informed) does much of that shit anymore. Not because of any successful campaign but because all the smart kiddies are on the RCs and have been for years. You can still tickle your opioid receptors perfectly legally. The beta ketone analogues are where it’s at. But of course y’all knew that already. Know the difference between benzo fury and psycho sage? 2cb from MPV? It’s a different world of drugs now. Mephedrone was a case in point. Best sex drug ever. Better even than molly. £3K a ki pre ban. £10K a ki post ban. Now it’s illegal we can shovel in a 50% cut of vitamin C and still get £12K a ki for that. So, a tidy £21K profit per ki, for all those shrewd investors since the government in their infinite wisdom managed to score another spectacular own goal in the wank on drugs. Oh well, I don’t make the laws, I just find ways around ‘em. Turn profits into punts I said. I laughed like a drain and rubbed my grubby little hands in glee. Now everyone’s searching for the M-cat replacement. You can find M-ket. Clever bit of marketing with the name but I foresee problems. It’s not the same thing at all. It’s singularly the most deranged, mind-bending dissociative hallucinogen I have ever experienced. Guess what? It’s completely fucking legal and getting more popular due to the current ket drought. It makes LSD look as benign as jelly beans in a nursery. It truly is some mad wonky shit and I do not recommend it. It’s a vasoconstrictor even at extremely low doses. Expect the A&E departments to start reporting its usage. You heard it here first folks. I don’t wanna sound like a braggart but I first took acid in 1969 and I’ve got the diseases to validate my decades of debauchery, but until we all discuss drugs more openly the mentalists are gonna rock up and lecture us about reefer madness. Misinformation is dangerously unhelpful. I also can’t believe I’m the only member of the NBC club on here who’s willing to out themselves. The rest of you fellas are probably too busy snorting gak off some bird’s inner thighs. Alright you’re excused, but when you’ve finished get on here and give me some support. Kick out the jams motherfuckers. Let’s be honest. <picks up fiddle, plays rock’n’roll>


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Edited by smiths, 04 October 2011 - 09:26.


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Posted 04 October 2011 - 09:43

Christ, another peek in here and it’s like injecting the Daily Mail right into my fucking eyeballs. Any attempt at rational debate lost forever. You’ll all fuck anything with a heartbeat but any mention of drugs and suddenly everyone’s got a rod up their arse.




What damage exactly, smiffy? Did you eat all the biscuits? Unputdownable Pringles? 3am outcalls to the pizza parlour? I can see how the pepperoni and pineapple toppings could have unpleasant consequences. Or did you swing the other way and singe the whiskers off cats? Jesus fella, get a grip.




It didn’t take long for this long disproved gateway addiction theory to re-emerge as plain undisputed fact. Only on here. Most addicts actually started on tea and coffee. Automatic heroin addiction does not necessarily follow as most of us can testify.


Cocaine and heroin use are officially on the decline. Nobody (who is remotely informed) does much of that shit anymore. Not because of any successful campaign but because all the smart kiddies are on the RCs and have been for years. You can still tickle your opioid receptors perfectly legally. The beta ketone analogues are where it’s at. But of course y’all knew that already. Know the difference between benzo fury and psycho sage? 2cb from MPV? It’s a different world of drugs now.

Mephedrone was a case in point. Best sex drug ever. Better even than molly. £3K a ki pre ban. £10K a ki post ban. Now it’s illegal we can shovel in a 50% cut of vitamin C and still get £12K a ki for that. So, a tidy £21K profit per ki, for all those shrewd investors since the government in their infinite wisdom managed to score another spectacular own goal in the wank on drugs. Oh well, I don’t make the laws, I just find ways around ‘em. Turn profits into punts I said. I laughed like a drain and rubbed my grubby little hands in glee.

Now everyone’s searching for the M-cat replacement. You can find M-ket. Clever bit of marketing with the name but I foresee problems. It’s not the same thing at all. It’s singularly the most deranged, mind-bending dissociative hallucinogen I have ever experienced. Guess what? It’s completely fucking legal and getting more popular due to the current ket drought. It makes LSD look as benign as jelly beans in a nursery. It truly is some mad wonky shit and I do not recommend it. It’s a vasoconstrictor even at extremely low doses. Expect the A&E departments to start reporting its usage. You heard it here first folks.

I don’t wanna sound like a braggart but I first took acid in 1969 and I’ve got the diseases to validate my decades of debauchery, but until we all discuss drugs more openly the mentalists are gonna rock up and lecture us about reefer madness. Misinformation is dangerously unhelpful.

I also can’t believe I’m the only member of the NBC club on here who’s willing to out themselves. The rest of you fellas are probably too busy snorting gak off some bird’s inner thighs. Alright you’re excused, but when you’ve finished get on here and give me some support. Kick out the jams motherfuckers. Let’s be honest.

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So you took drugs? So you are in the know? So bloody what. There is a whole generation of drug using youngsters out there who will not go to college, won't have work and think the world owes them a living. Cannabis, Mcat Ket MDMA.. You cal it whatever you want to call it - it ain't clever. Drugs are the evil in this society - just ask any soldier defending us in Afghanistan. the main reason thery are there is to stop the drugs from coming across.

Those drugs you are talking about MCat and KET destroy your bladder. My son has a friend who has fucked himself up inside taking that shit. Every time he goes for a pee a bit of his bladder comes away. That's the reality of taking drugs.
It all needs stopping, and the bloody government need to stop blaming prostitution for it.

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So you took drugs? So you are in the know? So bloody what. There is a whole generation of drug using youngsters out there who will not go to college, won't have work and think the world owes them a living. Cannabis, Mcat Ket MDMA.. You cal it whatever you want to call it - it ain't clever. Drugs are the evil in this society - just ask any soldier defending us in Afghanistan. the main reason thery are there is to stop the drugs from coming across.

Those drugs you are talking about MCat and KET destroy your bladder. My son has a friend who has fucked himself up inside taking that shit. Every time he goes for a pee a bit of his bladder comes away. That's the reality of taking drugs.
It all needs stopping, and the bloody government need to stop blaming prostitution for it.



Absolutely spot on. I have also seen the effects of serious illegal drug abuse first hand which have formed my views. /sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />

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There are plenty of people that use or have used drugs and have degrees and good jobs, you can't stereotype all people that use drugs, just like you can't stereotype escorts. Drugs are inamimate objects, there's nothing 'evil' about them. Morality is subjective, what one person belives to be good and or evil differs from person to person. You can't put all drugs in the same category, ie: evil/bad. All drugs are different and therefore have their own categories for safety. The main reason we're in Afghanistan is NOT because of heroin or drugs.. That's ridiculous. We're there to fight terrorism and to provide schooling for Afghan girls etc. The poppy field erradication is just another part of it but not the main reason in the slightest. We're helping to provide a safer society there but we can't be there forever which is why we're training the Afghan army.

That's the reality of taking Mcat and ket, not drugs. That's not the reality of taking cannabis or drinking some wine every now and then.

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Drugs are the evil in this society - just ask any soldier defending us in Afghanistan. the main reason thery are there is to stop the drugs from coming across.


If this is the case then why did we install a drug dealer as the president of Afghanistan? http://www.telegraph...drug-lords.html

Karzai regularly interferes in police work to release captured drug dealers that are part of his gang. See this doc that follows the work of the Kabul police captain who regularly has drug suspects released from under his nose by Presidential decree, ruining investigations. http://www.channel4....s/our-drugs-war

The opium trade accounts for 50% of Afghanistan's GDP, so if we were to try and end it, which we are not actually trying to do, this would drive the Afghan people into even deeper poverty. Why not help the Afghan people develop by helping them set up a pharmaceutical industry to turn the large opium crops into morphine/methodone or other medical opiates that are essential as painkillers. Afghan morphine can contribute to decreasing the acute global morphine shortage and provide cheap essential poppy-based medicines to countries who currently cannot afford to prescribe them.

These issues need a bit a more thought, than simply to shout 'drugs are evil', this statement in itself is ridiculous when MDMA provides so much pleasure to so many people with little or no risks attached. Also in California now thousands of chronic pain sufferers or MS patients find the quality of their lives vastly improved by having access to cannabis on prescription, and you want to tell them that this is evil and they should have to suffer in pain instead!?!!!

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I'm really anti drugs to be honest. I have never smoked and don't even drink, never mind illegal drugs.

I just think it must be a terrible life to be an addict and I have seen addiction of sorts myself.

As for the general point on affordability, well I cannot believe some are spouting things very similar to my "communist" views /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />.

On a serious note, I see the way out of the drugs issue as educating our kids when they are young.
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I'm really anti drugs to be honest. I have never smoked and don't even drink, never mind illegal drugs. I just think it must be a terrible life to be an addict and I have seen addiction of sorts myself. As for the general point on affordability, well I cannot believe some are spouting things very similar to my "communist" views /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />. On a serious note, I see the way out of the drugs issue as educating our kids when they are young.


I very much agree with the early educating of the young, there was a severe lack of it at my sons school and that was only in the last few years, no change from my own school decades ago.

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The opium trade accounts for 50% of Afghanistan's GDP, so if we were to try and end it, which we are not actually trying to do, this would drive the Afghan people into even deeper poverty. Why not help the Afghan people develop by helping them set up a pharmaceutical industry to turn the large opium crops into morphine/methodone or other medical opiates that are essential as painkillers. Afghan morphine can contribute to decreasing the acute global morphine shortage and provide cheap essential poppy-based medicines to countries who currently cannot afford to prescribe them.

These issues need a bit a more thought, than simply to shout 'drugs are evil', this statement in itself is ridiculous when MDMA provides so much pleasure to so many people with little or no risks attached. Also in California now thousands of chronic pain sufferers or MS patients find the quality of their lives vastly improved by having access to cannabis on prescription, and you want to tell them that this is evil and they should have to suffer in pain instead!?!!!


Reading an article earlier this year it mentioned all of the Afghan opium crop could be purchased and used in legitimate painkillers and there would still be a world shortage.

Not sure if you caught the TV programmes which dicussed cannabis and E's this year - in America there is research and a drug programme which is using Ecstacy used in conjunction with counselling. Probably the most moving TV I've watched in a good while. A couple were faced with the husband diagnosed with terminal cancer. On 3 occasions they were prescribed E. The first time they took it was the first time they had been able to express their feelings and thoughts openly and freely, without the partner having the normal defence mechanisms, the last was a week before he died. The widow chatted about how benificial it had been in coping with their plight - each knowing how the other felt. Without it she felt she could never have dealt with his illness the way she had.
The wife had videoed the final time they had used E. She mentioned how it took them to a place of love and happiness, how it used to be, gave them a time of abandonment without his illness being at the forefront and his passing was less painful.
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On a serious note, I see the way out of the drugs issue as educating our kids when they are young.


My offspring were given drugs education at an early age - primary school up here (not the most comfortable situation to be in when sitting in cafe and your 7yr old opens the sugar packets and sets it up in a line and tells you that's what coke looks like after a lesson).
I'm not too sure about the message that 'drugs are bad' is the best way to educate children. Accurate information of the upside with a warning of the dangers and pitfalls would be my approach and let young adults decide for themselves. Strange when you think that so many children are now medicated with cough mixtures, tablets and potions (far more than I remember) and we tell them it's to make them feel better and wonder why they turn to drugs as they get older - to make them feel better/good.
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People would still have to earn money to buy them, even if they were as cheap (expensive) as cigarettes, and the chaotic unreliable lifestyle of users isn't conducive to holding down a 9-5 job.


When drugs were not "illegal" many people were drug users and no one realised because their lives were not chaotic... they managed their drug use because the supply was reliable and affordable... you used to be able to buy cocaine from the classified adverts of the Times

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Would it be that it were as simple as that Inna!

For me, the girl who is hooked on drugs and selling her body to raise the money to buy the drugs is not a sex worker. She is a drug addict and if there was something else she could do other than sell her body - she would be doing it.

They need help to stop taking the drugs, not the price of them lowering........ Help the vulnerable and get them off the drugs.

I am a sex worker. I take a pride in my work. I am dedicated to doing my job well. I doubt the girl turning a quick trick is thinking about her client, but then the man who uses 'street' needs shooting IMHO.

I think I'd better stop now........


I used to feel the same way about drug users who sell sex....

However I have stopped moralising about drug use, I don't need people to stop anything... I just what them to be as safe as possible and as free from coercion as possible, so make drugs affordable and accessible.

Many of us have addictive personalities I spend recklessly on expensive consumer goods and I feel the adrenaline rush when I spend... so am I an addictive personality who sells sex to fund a more acceptable "habit"... ?

Debt and uncontrolled spending can be very destructive, so should I be rescued from my "habit"... by being forced into therapy or prison ?

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I used to feel the same way about drug users who sell sex....

However I have stopped moralising about drug use, I don't need people to stop anything... I just what them to be as safe as possible and as free from coercion as possible, so make drugs affordable and accessible.

Many of us have addictive personalities I spend recklessly on expensive consumer goods and I feel the adrenaline rush when I spend... so am I an addictive personality who sells sex to fund a more acceptable "habit"... ?

Debt and uncontrolled spending can be very destructive, so should I be rescued from my "habit"... by being forced into therapy or prison ?


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I used to feel the same way about drug users who sell sex....

However I have stopped moralising about drug use, I don't need people to stop anything... I just what them to be as safe as possible and as free from coercion as possible, so make drugs affordable and accessible.

Many of us have addictive personalities I spend recklessly on expensive consumer goods and I feel the adrenaline rush when I spend... so am I an addictive personality who sells sex to fund a more acceptable "habit"... ?

Debt and uncontrolled spending can be very destructive, so should I be rescued from my "habit"... by being forced into therapy or prison ?


Only if your 'habit' affects your health or your safety or that of your children or anyone's children

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 12:04

Interestingly in Leeds the drug dealers await the new influx of students with open arms. It's 'come to Mama' time.

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A spendaholic is a far cry from a drug addict


Is it really...? all addictive behaviour provide the high levels of satisfaction that are craved for by the addict... it is just in a consumer society my behaviour is valued rather than consider a problem...

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fdocuments%2Fpost%2Fpn356%2520-addictive-behaviours-corrected.pdf

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Only if your 'habit' affects your health or your safety or that of your children or anyone's children


My habit affects my well-being... so who decides when I am a risk to myself or children ?

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So you took drugs? So you are in the know? So bloody what. There is a whole generation of drug using youngsters out there who will not go to college, won't have work and think the world owes them a living. Cannabis, Mcat Ket MDMA.. You cal it whatever you want to call it - it ain't clever. Drugs are the evil in this society - just ask any soldier defending us in Afghanistan. the main reason thery are there is to stop the drugs from coming across.

Those drugs you are talking about MCat and KET destroy your bladder. My son has a friend who has fucked himself up inside taking that shit. Every time he goes for a pee a bit of his bladder comes away. That's the reality of taking drugs.
It all needs stopping, and the bloody government need to stop blaming prostitution for it.


What's your point Sarah? I'm an ex soldier too. They're simply not in Afghanistan to prevent the heroin trade, that's just a glossy excuse to placate the Daily Wail readership. There is a worldwide shortage of morphine. Even if we bought the Taliban's huge stockpile there would still be a significant shortfall. This is because American drug companies want to foist their opioid replacements onto the public at grossly inflated prices. It's all about money. I can post links supporting this assertion - if you're really interested in empirical evidence rather than re-hashing the nonsense you read in the press and like to believe.

If you'd read my post more carefully, you would have picked up on the fact that drugs have ruined my life too. I'm a dead man walking and it's due entirely to my wild excesses. I'm playing devil's advocate, because I can see both sides of the debate. I don't dispute that drugs ruin lives or that ket can ruin your bladder (although there is no evidence yet that M-cat will). M-ket, or methoxetamine to give it its full title, is something that genuinely worries me because it's freely available and now being passed off as ket due to the massive shortage.

I wasn't having a go, Sarah. I was trying to inject a bit of humour into a controversial subject that can quickly deteriorate into a Mac vs PC-type debate. Both sides will stick to their entrenched opinions. There are never any winners and it always ends up ugly. Something we should try and avoid. What I'm interested in exploring is the human capacity for limitless self destruction.

And I also agree with you on one point - they should stop blaming prostitution. It's not a factor in the equation, it's an easy platitude that wins votes.

So, truce eh? /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Is it really...? all addictive behaviour provide the high levels of satisfaction that are craved for by the addict... it is just in a consumer society my behaviour is valued rather than consider a problem...

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fdocuments%2Fpost%2Fpn356%2520-addictive-behaviours-corrected.pdf


Do you steal from your family to feed your 'addiction'?
Do you have to hide your addiction?
Do you break in cold sweats and suffer unbearable withdrawal symptoms when you haven't had your fix?
Does your health deteriorate when you haven't been shopping for a few hours?
Does 'not' shopping have a direct impact on your physical wellbeing?

While I accept shopping is addictive, I don't feel it can be placed in the same category as addiction to drugs.

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Do you steal from your family to feed your 'addiction'?
Do you have to hide your addiction?
Do you break in cold sweats and suffer unbearable withdrawal symptoms when you haven't had your fix?
Does your health deteriorate when you haven't been shopping for a few hours?
Does 'not' shopping have a direct impact on your physical wellbeing?

While I accept shopping is addictive, I don't feel it can be placed in the same category as addiction to drugs.


I don't think going to Tesco's is the same as drug addiction, but all addictive behaviour is problematic.... and I do have a complusion to shop...

Not all drug addiction results in the behaviours you list above...

but why do some people need to hide drug addiction and steal ?

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but why do some people need to hide drug addiction and steal ?


Is that a serious question? /eek.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eek:' />
I thought you were all clued up on the drugs scene

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What's your point Sarah? I'm an ex soldier too. They're simply not in Afghanistan to prevent the heroin trade, that's just a glossy excuse to placate the Daily Wail readership. There is a worldwide shortage of morphine. Even if we bought the Taliban's huge stockpile there would still be a significant shortfall. This is because American drug companies want to foist their opioid replacements onto the public at grossly inflated prices. It's all about money. I can post links supporting this assertion - if you're really interested in empirical evidence rather than re-hashing the nonsense you read in the press and like to believe. If you'd read my post more carefully, you would have picked up on the fact that drugs have ruined my life too. I'm a dead man walking and it's due entirely to my wild excesses. I'm playing devil's advocate, because I can see both sides of the debate. I don't dispute that drugs ruin lives or that ket can ruin your bladder (although there is no evidence yet that M-cat will). M-ket, or methoxetamine to give it its full title, is something that genuinely worries me because it's freely available and now being passed off as ket due to the massive shortage. I wasn't having a go, Sarah. I was trying to inject a bit of humour into a controversial subject that can quickly deteriorate into a Mac vs PC-type debate. Both sides will stick to their entrenched opinions. There are never any winners and it always ends up ugly. Something we should try and avoid. What I'm interested in exploring is the human capacity for limitless self destruction. And I also agree with you on one point - they should stop blaming prostitution. It's not a factor in the equation, it's an easy platitude that wins votes. So, truce eh? /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />


So drugs have ruined your life, your a dead man walking due to your own excesses but you tell ME to get a grip. Unbelievable.

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Nobody has any right to tell another what they can or can't do with their body. ...and if somebody wants to get loaded on opium or high as a kite on weed, then it is their body and they can put whatever they want into it. The only laws we need are those that prevent harm being done to others, that is where there is a unwilling participant having things done to them murder, robbery, rape ....etc.


Wait just one single bloody second, sunshine! Has it ocurred to you that those who get loaded on opium or weed (also, actually a serious excess of alcohol) do harm to me, as well as you and any other tax-payers? The NHS spends a really substantial amount of money on treatment for abusers of drugs, both legal and illegal, and the general tax-payer also spends a frightening amount on those who can't or won't work, due to either a "habit" or to simple idleness.

Then look at Basildon Council's problems - I'm awfully glad I'm not a Basildon Council Tax payer!

You seem to be lumping all drugs in together here, to say all drug users lives are unreliable and chaotic, is completely wrong. I have known many people who have used cannabis regularly and been successful in their careers, hundreds of thousands of people in all kinds of high flying careers use cocaine recreationally at weekends and it has no effect on their ability to function.


You know hundreds of thousands of people, let alone hundreds of thousands of coke heads?

I'm just slightly sorry if you think I'm being rude, but I think your opinion here is worthless.

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I don't think going to Tesco's is the same as drug addiction, but all addictive behaviour is problematic.... and I do have a complusion to shop...

Not all drug addiction results in the behaviours you list above...

but why do some people need to hide drug addiction and steal ?




Is that a serious question? /eek.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':eek:' />
I thought you were all clued up on the drugs scene


Think about it... getting high on drugs does not directly make you steal, nor does it directly need you to hide your addiction...

How many men hear are willing to "out" themselves to their family and friends as someone who uses "prostitutes" ... hiding addictive or other behaviour is not directly consequential to the act but to the shame and opprobrium that others attach to the act...

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I don't think going to Tesco's is the same as drug addiction, but all addictive behaviour is problematic.... and I do have a complusion to shop...

Not all drug addiction results in the behaviours you list above...

but why do some people need to hide drug addiction and steal ?


Inna, are you on something? Your reasoning seems way out of kilter

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When you hear of people in the inner cities being murdered - shot in the head at point blank range you can bet your bottom dollar it is one dealer against another. It's a jungle out there.

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What's your point Sarah? I'm an ex soldier too. They're simply not in Afghanistan to prevent the heroin trade, that's just a glossy excuse to placate the Daily Wail readership. There is a worldwide shortage of morphine. Even if we bought the Taliban's huge stockpile there would still be a significant shortfall. This is because American drug companies want to foist their opioid replacements onto the public at grossly inflated prices. It's all about money. I can post links supporting this assertion - if you're really interested in empirical evidence rather than re-hashing the nonsense you read in the press and like to believe.

If you'd read my post more carefully, you would have picked up on the fact that drugs have ruined my life too. I'm a dead man walking and it's due entirely to my wild excesses. I'm playing devil's advocate, because I can see both sides of the debate. I don't dispute that drugs ruin lives or that ket can ruin your bladder (although there is no evidence yet that M-cat will). M-ket, or methoxetamine to give it its full title, is something that genuinely worries me because it's freely available and now being passed off as ket due to the massive shortage.

I wasn't having a go, Sarah. I was trying to inject a bit of humour into a controversial subject that can quickly deteriorate into a Mac vs PC-type debate. Both sides will stick to their entrenched opinions. There are never any winners and it always ends up ugly. Something we should try and avoid. What I'm interested in exploring is the human capacity for limitless self destruction.

And I also agree with you on one point - they should stop blaming prostitution. It's not a factor in the equation, it's an easy platitude that wins votes.

So, truce eh? /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

The human capacity for limitless self destruction comes from being addicted to something - anything. Their lives are subject to the 'thing' they are on, and the end is pretty much inevitable unless they get help which was my original argument.
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Inna, are you on something? Your reasoning seems way out of kilter


Obviously... I must be because I don't see any problem with the reasoning...

what is the problem ?

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