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#1 gibert2

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 02:17

I think it is broken

And I think there are 4 or 5 reasons

1) An FR is not just a review of a girl. It is a review of 2 people meeting at a certain time in a singular context pertinent only to that moment., for those 2 people.

I don't use the word "chemistry" (its too often used by punters who think their w.g "fucking loved it")

But it kinda sums up the unique element

I'd put more emphasis on the fact that if you meet the girl on appointment 6 of the day it is going to be different from job no 2.

So an FR is really a check on looks - is she the girl pictured? I pay not much attention to not much else

2) FRs are really boring

Mostly because other people having sex, however rigorous, is boring

And the people who, far from having a way with words don't seem to have enough of them, write the most

"Debbie in Wigan, yeah she fucking loved it again. Kiss to you Debs. Respect her yeah?"

Oh fuck off you illiterate provincial beaded car seat covered knobhead

Of course you then have the geniuses like Worldpunter but most fr;s seem to be stuck in a sort of timewarp.

3) All the good stuff is PM'ed

Because like minded souls band together

And because the boards need a new model of moderation - all the interesting stuff gets shouted down by the, as Bill G puts it, "being a w.g is just another job - no different" brigade. You know the guys who literally come in their pants if a wg on the board quotes them. And like to talk fire regs.

Pnet runs the risk of providing an email platform alone - a model easily replicated somewhere else entirely

4) And what is with not being able to spot fake FR's

Why isn't this rigorous?

I can spot them a mile off

Why oh why is bloody beautiiful amore still allowed to post!!!!
And AEL my understanding is still cannot?

Why isn't this better?

5) Its been mentioned that some punters do not post FRs because they want to keep their gal to themself

I think it happens but is just one factor - most people i know take great pleasure in recommendation

I think if it doesn't get better the FR will die

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#2 Chloe Kisses

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:40

***WARNING THERE MAY BE SOME ILLITERATE TWAT SPELLING MISTAKES IN THIS POST..IF THIS WILL CAUSE YOU TO TURN RED AND ATTEMPT TO CORRECT THEM...DO NOT READ***

I dont!

The fr system is just one part of this sex industry information highway, pms and personal recommendations/warnings are another part. Board enquiries and answers/complaints/recommends are just another part.

Yes, some reviews are boring and should have more basic content, some are hilarious but just because the reporter doesnt have the literacy skills you prefer does not make his actual voiced opinion any less valid, freedom of speech, freedom of expression and all that.

You cant pick this place to pieces and say they dont work because they do work as one whole entire organic growing moving website, they are a team and you shouldnt separate as they back each other up and personally I still think its the best site available and will be for a long time to come.

Fake reviews, can you really spot one a mile off or do you in your infinate wisdom just think you can. If you feel one is fake then do you actually bother to report it to the mods or G so he can check it over, check IP addresses/establishments/girls fr track record?

The frs are a valuable information source for girls when looking for places to work either establishment or town and for punters to gage a wgs credentials and way up what he reads about her from others experiences. This will never die because men know the best person to give an opinion is the guy that already fucked that girl because some guys just dont trust what girls say about themselves, and why should they in this day and age. I think most punters have the intelligence to sum up the girl from her body of frs rather than individual ones.

How much information has been asked for and given on this site over the years i cannot imagine but I do think it has probably been a godsend to some who felt isolated in the puntership or because they are an indie with no other point of reference.

Dont take this personally Gibby, I just disagree.

Edited by Chloe MKEscorts, 27 October 2011 - 07:43.

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#3 Lord Melchett

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 08:46

Great, now I've gone through Chloes post I've got my screen all marked up where I was red penning all the mistakes...
Not too many though so I give your essay a B+.

As to the original point, I disagree with it also.
I think it would be impossiible to have an absolutely perfect FR system as long as it's written by the many, there are too many differences between people. But this does not mean the system is broken.

So, point by point

1: You are partially correct, an FR is just a report of an experience between two people at exactly that moment in time. But at the same time it's also more.
It's a confirmation of the authenticity of photos and info about a girl
For some areas where the pricing system may be a little confusing it can also be a confirmation of how much cash a punter may need to have with them for an appointment.
A useful description of the general area an establishment may be located in, with valid information about ease of parking and general feelings of safety and discretion in an area.
If a lady has a few FRs then a read through a few of them can give an excellent idea as to what someone might expect during an appointment, this can be a godsend to someone who is new to punting.

2:FRs are boring,
Again, a hint of truth but that in no way means that the system is broken. The system is only as good as the input provided.
I agree that there are a few people to whom Mr Spelling and Mr Grammar are not frequent visitors, but there have only been a very few FRs I have read that have needed any special cryptography skills to decipher.
Yes, there are some people who give a single one sentence review along the lines of 'She sucked on me cok, i banged her dogy an then i blu me muk on her tits, innit'. Some people just aren't comfortable with writing about experiences but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid. On the other hand there are people (myself included sometimes) who try to write epic sagas that take longer to read than the original appointment lasted! Thankfully I'd guess that around 70-80% of FRs are a happy medium between those two extremes.

3: All the good stuff is in PMs
I can honestly say that I've never sent or recieved a PM to another punter concerning any girls. Maybe I'm Billy No-Mates, maybe the OP is too so that is why he doesn't like PMs. I always look for and provide any opinions I have on establishments and girls in either FRs if I have seen the girl or here in the forums if I haven't seen them but want to]

4: Yes, fake FRs can sometimes be obvious but I do challenge you that I doubt you are able to spot EVERY single one. Sometimes it's obvious, when a first time poster submits an overly nasty FR about a girl who might have had 100% perfect FR record up to then. But I doubt it's always that easy and quite frankly for a site that for us punters is completely free do we truly have any right to demand of the owners and moderators that they freely give every second of their time to rooting out the wrong doers.
Or do you think perhaps that it may be up to the readers of fake FRs to highlight them to the higher ups so they can be dealt with?

5:Hmmm, I have sometimes myself put at the end of an FR that I want a girl all to myself but it is never meant seriously!
Whatever people may think about their own greatness, I think everyr punter deep down knows that this is a business for the girls they see. And I doubt any punter would seriously not write any FRs just so that their favourite lady wouldn't get busy and would lose out on paying clients.
I think it's just said in the occasional FR to emphasise how much a punter likes a lady
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#4 AsgardsSon

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 09:06

I agree LM. The system may be somewhat misshapen but to say it is entirely broken on the basis of the evidence in the OP is incorrect. As a research tool it remains useful as long as one remembers it is not foolproof. It is useful to different people in different ways and to say that those with an IQ lower than 190 or who happen to live outwith the Circle Line ought not to post is unhelpful.

What the OP does show though is that it remains very useful to highlight issues such as fake reports, so for that reason I think there is no need to question the point of starting this thread.
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#5 Chloe Kisses

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 09:43

I agree LM. The system may be somewhat misshapen but to say it is entirely broken on the basis of the evidence in the OP is incorrect. As a research tool it remains useful as long as one remembers it is not foolproof. It is useful to different people in different ways and to say that those with an IQ lower than 190 or who happen to live outwith the Circle Line ought not to post is unhelpful.

What the OP does show though is that it remains very useful to highlight issues such as fake reports, so for that reason I think there is no need to question the point of starting this thread.


I didnt see anyone questioning the point of this thread nor have I seen that in Melchys post. I was simply disagreeing with him which is to be expected with any thread, no one agrees on everything.

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#6 gibert2

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 14:42

Hi,
Points taken

I started it as a debate, disagreement welcome

I do think we should bar all from Wigan.

I was trying to be funny, soz Asgards Son

Just on fakes - how are they monitored ? - beautifulamore - you must have had complaints there?

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#7 gibert2

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 14:44

Just on PM's - I get a lot - so I see first hand the extraordinary wisdom and advice passed on

#8 Chloe Kisses

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 15:20

Just on PM's - I get a lot - so I see first hand the extraordinary wisdom and advice passed on


Advice on pms, they are useful, but remember they are coming from punters who you do not know and whos agenda you have no clue about, so take some with a pinch of salt unless backed up by others when the day comes that you recieve a pm totally slagging off some poor girl or agency, it happens, i have been told by other punters they have recieved such things so just bear that in mind.

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#9 gibert2

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 15:58


Advice on pms, they are useful, but remember they are coming from punters who you do not know and whos agenda you have no clue about, so take some with a pinch of salt unless backed up by others when the day comes that you recieve a pm totally slagging off some poor girl or agency, it happens, i have been told by other punters they have recieved such things so just bear that in mind.





Yes, I've had those. My area of interest is small though so I hope I can spot idiots/the malicious

The other way of looking at the FR thing is to think about how to encourage more, and better quality ones

I'll have some thoughts on that

#10 smiths

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 19:01

Its not broken in my opinion but could be better. I dont agree with the money must change hands rule myself as this lets SPs off the hook when the punter has travelled so incurred expense and time but due to be lied to walks or doesnt receive a reply at her premises both of which i have experienced. However, i respect this is Galahads rule and its his site.

An FR is a moment in time and obviously if honest one punters opinion, its not a guarantee of a good punt for another, but information and some fact sharing. For example they can confirm that the WGs pictures are a true likeness, she ACTUALLY offers the services she advertises at the price advertised without asking for extra money and that she was friendly and enthusiastic. Al this is handy to know and more so if the WG has FRs by multiple authors in my opinion.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:38

Its not broken in my opinion but could be better. I dont agree with the money must change hands rule myself as this lets SPs off the hook when the punter has travelled so incurred expense and time but due to be lied to walks or doesnt receive a reply at her premises both of which i have experienced. However, i respect this is Galahads rule and its his site.

An FR is a moment in time and obviously if honest one punters opinion, its not a guarantee of a good punt for another, but information and some fact sharing. For example they can confirm that the WGs pictures are a true likeness, she ACTUALLY offers the services she advertises at the price advertised without asking for extra money and that she was friendly and enthusiastic. Al this is handy to know and more so if the WG has FRs by multiple authors in my opinion.


Exactly - this happened to me just yesterday - rather well known lady in Greens Court. I had booked, confirmed and got there to be told that she had accepted a longer booking.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 14:53

Exactly - this happened to me just yesterday - rather well known lady in Greens Court. I had booked, confirmed and got there to be told that she had accepted a longer booking.


Sorry to hear about that Ray. If that had happened to me i would be naming and shaming her on a thread to let other punters know. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 22:17


Sorry to hear about that Ray. If that had happened to me i would be naming and shaming her on a thread to let other punters know. /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />


Exactly.

On another note. I sometimes wonder why more FRs are not submitted.

Theres always threads about "has anyone seen?" and the replies... but why arent these replies FRs for someone to already see?

Okay ive not done a FR for every single girl Ive seen but then Ive usually done one for the girl who is really good ( but they dont usually pop up if Ive broken the more than 3 in 90 days rule)

I punt in MK mostly cos I live here but I have looked further afield but FRs are usually scarce and varied so havent have bothered travel too far afield cos of the uncertainlty.

Im also not part of some personal PM group for girls but if someone asks then I'll tell them honestly. Even if its a negative.

To the OPs, FRs are not foolproof, but they are useful. You do learn have use them to your advantage, I have a list of positive FRs who make me have second thought cos of previous experience, but also seen girls with negative who were great.

Sometimes its not just the yes/no at the bottom that makes me decide but what the details of the punt consisted of.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 20:23

Well I didn't like the OP given his first rather insulting post but his later ones are not at all unreasonable.

But I would still say - if you can do better go ahead; easier to criticise than correct something; as others have said it is the contributors who make or mar the facility; I can't talk.

FRs, forums, PMs, chatroom - fair effort I would say and no other forum as far as I know has anything like the interest and breadth with Little Black Book also doing well for its very closeknit community which must make it more successful as so very much is relevant to such a high percentage of people.
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:31


Exactly - this happened to me just yesterday - rather well known lady in Greens Court. I had booked, confirmed and got there to be told that she had accepted a longer booking.


I reckon it might happen more often that we realise, it's just that suspecting it and proving it is very difficult.
Due to the miserable nature of one aborted appointment I had, and gifted a few pieces of information that collectively were damning, I 'proved' to myself at least that I had been ditched for a more lucrative punt, and an email suggesting the 'no appointment' was due to a 'misunderstanding' was indicative of someone to be avoided in future.
I think that's the best remedy, vote with your wallet, you may rarely be able to state in any forum what you believe has happened - any rebuttal by the wg will be believed more so than the whinging of a punter. In such cases FR's or anything similar would not be the way to go.
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