223 replies to this topic

[bumsex]

It's just dissappeared...

Edited by bumsex, 09 March 2012 - 01:20.

[jizzicular]

someone took it down. in some ways, its just as well; massage was becoming a forbidden subject in the, erm, massage forum. the 'No Discussion List' was longer than all our schlongs combined and multiplied - it would have been easier to have 'discussion list' including all 4 ppl we were allowed to discuss! Maybe someone will start a new site. I for one will leave punternet if there is ever a massage forum, or even dedicated site elsewhere!!

[Galahad]

FBSM board
Wankers ruined it for all
You know who you are

FBSM board
Rules broken and mods despair
That board is no more

If you want to find
A full service provider
Then this is the place

Ladies who do not
Offer escort services
Are off topic here

Mod team does not want
This to become a debate
Wise men heed warning

[wanderingfool]

according to the message we get when trying to access the massage section it is not gone we have simply had our permission to view it removed.
at this time anyway, maybe later it will be deleted.

[Bourneman]

Such a shame that this has happened. There is no other site that allows information on these massage services to be discussed. I enjoy massage with HE and I also go to full service providers and as such Punternet was a great resource for me. Now it only provides information on full service providers it becomes one of the many internet sites that i can visit to get the info I need and with the competition I'm sure I'll stop visiting this site.

[longone]

Bit draconnian don't you think ?

Why not just ban the people who do not obey the rules ??

Once again, the minority spoil it for the majority !!

[LouisaPSUk]

I do think it is a shame that the SM forum has been removed. However, I must agree that it was becoming impossible to read.

Sometimes it made me angry. The service had been taken completely out of context, by a lot of people. Sensual massage should be exactly what it says on the label. It should be all about the massage, not the HE. Yet so many of those who posted on there, were so intent on telling about the extras that they had been able to push out of the service providers.

It was becoming an obsession, as opposed to the experience as a whole. It was changing something into something different. Unfortunately, instead of it being an erotic experience, it gave it a Seedy feel.

[niceguymax]

FBSM board
Wankers ruined it for all
You know who you are

FBSM board
Rules broken and mods despair
That board is no more

If you want to find
A full service provider
Then this is the place

Ladies who do not
Offer escort services
Are off topic here

Mod team does not want
This to become a debate
Wise men heed warning

Just so I am absolutely clear on this, and this isn't a facetious comment, nor do I intend to start a debate, but am I able to understand from your post that I may fully report on the main board any providers who previously appeared on the NDL if I had a full service from them? And that providers who had previously been granted anonymity on the NDL may now openly appear in the full glare of this Public Board, if I have fucked them for money?

As I said, this is not a facetious comment. I know only too well what JKay may think of me, so I suspect I may be one of the "wankers". (If trying to keep an open forum, sensibly moderated is being a wanker, then I will admit to it.) I just want to be absolutely clear what is permitted.

There are a number of establishments that were forbidden to be discussed on the FBSM board for offering "more than massage". San Ling Baker Street, San Ling New Oxford Street, Well Health, Praed Street, the two shops in Goodge Street; these are all establishments where you were guaranteed to get a suck and a fuck as well as a good massage and all of these establishments featured on the NDL. Now there is no NDL, are we able to share our experiences? There were also a number of dishonest providers who sought shelter on the NDL and having the protection of not being discussed were able to continue their dishonest ways. Are we able to discuss them here as well?

This is your board, Galahad. You can run it exactly as you wish. But the difficulty we had on the FBSM board was that the rules were never clear and were administered with a mailed fist with no rhyme, reason or explanation of decisions. The FBSM board was a fantastic resource, that alas, was managed unsympathetically and the recent "Haiku Revolution" was a result in the sheer frustration that members had from the constant deletion of threads, perverse rulings and outright damned rudeness from the powers that be.

The vast majority of the posters were sensible guys. We would never out or embarrass any of the providers. We just wanted to share information in a sensible way and have some fun. My fear is that now the board has been closed, much of what was discussed there under controlled circumstances may now be discussed here on the main board in the full glare of the internet. And in full view of boyfriends, husbands and employers as well.

May I sincerely request that you reconsider your decision and perhaps review recent issues and look for a positive way forward.

[Hornyscot]

Gave it a seedy feel ? Are we for real here ? This whole board is about sexual favours for money - A session in a pattaya back alley with a 100 baht a time hooker or a £1000 session with a porn star - its the same thing lads. Same as a full service encounter or a sensual massage with a HE - its hooking no matter how you dress it up.
I have been a regular on this board and have had some good times and shared some decent information found some gems and as said had an enjoyable time. However I think the time has come to part company. I get the impression that there were a couple of people out there that feel that they are better than the rest, so be it.

Cheers

[Claire]

I stopped moderating the FBSM board about six months ago in despair - took my ball home and refused to play any more. Kudos to the other mods who have hung on in there this long, determined to try to make it work for you guys. Sadly it became exactly as Louisa describes above - all about the wank and 'will she, won't she - she says she doesn't but hey, you have a go, you might have more luck than me.'

Even though I wasn't moderating the board, I still watched as the other Mods wrangled and tried to find solutions. Jkay in particular has hung on right to the end, offering options, solutions, trying to find a happy medium. And all that happened was 'The mods are ruining this for us'. Well, that's the real world - you don't get to break the rules without being stopped.

I applaud this decision, because now Jkay can have a bloody rest.

[mikeaol]

. . . There is no other site that allows information on these massage services to be discussed. . . .

I enjoy massage with HE so I am migrating to http://www.forum-x.co.uk/ as they have a section Massage Plus HR
If you know where else to go let me know. I understand the job of the moderators.

[mrvoyuer]

What about those of us that only want FBSM and not FS? Are we just to get lost now?

[Danish Pia]

What about those of us that only want FBSM and not FS? Are we just to get lost now?

Unfortunately, the original ethos of the FBSM board just did not stay. It was meant to be a forum for massage and HR only. But it became, as Louisa and Claire pointed out a forum on how to get more, how to persuade legit providers. Oral, full sex you name it. Most therapists use their real names so all this public information just was not very comfortable for some of the girls. On top of that a select little group decided to start taunting/ridiculing the rules and the Mods as often as they possibly could just to add to the difficulties of the board. And as for niceguymax, you are looking for a positive way forward now being one of the main culprits behind getting the board closed down. Please!

[duracell69]

Unfortunately, the original ethos of the FBSM board just did not stay. It was meant to be a forum for massage and HR only. But it became, as Louisa and Claire pointed out a forum on how to get more, how to persuade legit providers. Oral, full sex you name it. Most therapists use their real names so all this public information just was not very comfortable for some of the girls. On top of that a select little group decided to start taunting/ridiculing the rules and the Mods as often as they possibly could just to add to the difficulties of the board. And as for niceguymax, you are looking for a positive way forward now being one of the main culprits behind getting the board closed down. Please!

I was one of those who supported things like the NDL for those ladies who did not wish to be discussed on here for example - there are ways to achieve what the FBSM section wanted to do in terms or its scope and its rules - just exclude those who don't behave?

[Ghenghis]

FBSM board
Wankers ruined it for all
You know who you are

FBSM board
Rules broken and mods despair
That board is no more

If you want to find
A full service provider
Then this is the place

Ladies who do not
Offer escort services
Are off topic here

Mod team does not want
This to become a debate
Wise men heed warning

Excellent post G, and nice to see that it is not only aposite but also in the Haiku style that caused the meltdown!

Do we take it that similar explanations will now become more commonplace when threads are closed or deleted?

Communication
Punternet the saviour is
Galahad set trend

[spliffy]

if we want to discuss massage services, we should post our messages on the 'UK & IRELAND GENERAL DISCUSSION' section.

[Ghenghis]

if we want to discuss massage services, we should post our messages on the 'UK & IRELAND GENERAL DISCUSSION' section.

Yes, they can just as easily be deleted from there

[Danish Pia]

if we want to discuss massage services, we should post our messages on the 'UK & IRELAND GENERAL DISCUSSION' section.

Errr no, Punternet is now only a place to discuss full service providers as it used to be. Massage providers are now off-topic, so if you do put it on the UK and Ireland general discussion it will be deleted and if it repeats further action will be taken.

[Ghenghis]

Errr no, Punternet is now only a place to discuss full service providers. Massage providers are now off-topic, so if you do put it on the UK and Ireland general discussion it will be deleted and if it repeats further action will be taken.

As a matter of interest, if certain ladies off the now defunct NDL continue to voice opinions of whether massaging someone's testicles until emission really does make them a prostitute or not, should this be Off Topic or General Discussion?

(Love you Pia!!)

Edited by Ghenghis, 09 March 2012 - 11:09.

[sherborneguy]

Would it be possible to have read only access to the old board (i.e. no posts allowed) - a wealth of useful information has been lost ...

[Joe Blob]

Would it be possible to have read only access to the old board (i.e. no posts allowed) - a wealth of useful information has been lost ...

That's a really good idea, maybe for 3 months or so. What do you think, G?

[Joe Blob]

I enjoy massage with HE so I am migrating to http://www.forum-x.co.uk/ as they have a section Massage Plus HR
If you know where else to go let me know. I understand the job of the moderators.

Thanks Mike, I didn't know about that one.

I to would appreciate any info on other massage boards

JB

[porker paul]

Would it be possible to have read only access to the old board (i.e. no posts allowed) - a wealth of useful information has been lost ...

I agree with this sentiment. Perhaps a 3 month amnesty so we can glean the info which would otherwise be lost for ever.

[Rockenroll]

Errr no, Punternet is now only a place to discuss full service providers as it used to be. Massage providers are now off-topic, so if you do put it on the UK and Ireland general discussion it will be deleted and if it repeats further action will be taken.

So if a massage provider also provides FS, can she be discussed?

[niceguymax]

Unfortunately, the original ethos of the FBSM board just did not stay. It was meant to be a forum for massage and HR only. But it became, as Louisa and Claire pointed out a forum on how to get more, how to persuade legit providers. Oral, full sex you name it. Most therapists use their real names so all this public information just was not very comfortable for some of the girls. On top of that a select little group decided to start taunting/ridiculing the rules and the Mods as often as they possibly could just to add to the difficulties of the board. And as for niceguymax, you are looking for a positive way forward now being one of the main culprits behind getting the board closed down. Please!

"Culprit" ? "Wanker"?

I said I wasn't going to debate this, and I won't. But I feel I should set you right on a couple of things. The "select little group " or wankers or culprits or however you wish to style them, were almost all, to a man, founder members of the FBSM Board. Unlike you, Pia, they were there when it all started and it was never "meant to be a forum for massage and HR only" . It was a board intended to discuss sexual encounters where a proper massage formed a large component. There were no strictures against describing oral or full sex. So let's not presume to re-write history to suit ourselves, shall we? Certainly, the nature of the board changed over time, nobody disagrees with that. But it didn't start that way. I remember, I was there.

Would you like to give a little more detail as to why I have been named as one of the main culprits for closing the board down? I would be fascinated to learn why.

[ClarenceNightingale]

So if a massage provider also provides FS, can she be discussed?

I doubt you wil get a proper reply to this. Just shows how much thought has gone in to the whole issue in the first place.

I take it that no sensual massage provider may be discussed here at all, whether she provides a FS as well or not. This worries me as the FBSM mods seem to have had a terribly difficult time moderating a forum dedicated solely to FBSM and they have now taken it upon themselves to try and moderate a number of forums where people may discuss a sensual masseuse, which is now, apparently, against the rules.

I laugh. Here's a little Haiku ditty:-

Out the frying pan
In to the fire, some may say,
Just press, ALT F4

[Claire]

Anyone who provides full service is a prostitute and can be discussed as you would any other prostitute! Is that so difficult?

As for you, Clarence, the mods haven't 'taken anything upon themselves'. You seem to forget who makes decisions around here, Galahad. And whilst we're laughing, let's all have a good giggle at you using the phrase 'forum dedicated solely to FBSM' ..... IF ONLY!!!!!

[ClarenceNightingale]

Errr no, Punternet is now only a place to discuss full service providers as it used to be. Massage providers are now off-topic, so if you do put it on the UK and Ireland general discussion it will be deleted and if it repeats further action will be taken.

Anyone who provides full service is a prostitute and can be discussed as you would any other prostitute! Is that so difficult?

As for you, Clarence, the mods haven't 'taken anything upon themselves'. You seem to forget who makes decisions around here, Galahad. And whilst we're laughing, let's all have a good giggle at you using the phrase 'forum dedicated solely to FBSM' ..... IF ONLY!!!!!

So I take that to mean that a massage provider that also provides full service is now considered a prostitute and may be discussed here at will. Good, I like that.

BBBWC, was the demised forum not a sensual massage forum? The fact that it could not be moderated as such is not my fault, in fact, it is partly yours, being a mod, so let's leave it at that

[spliffy]

'Prostitute' is a woman (or man) that is paid for sex.
Surely a massage with hr is also a sexual act.
So a masseuse that provides a 'sexual act' shouds also be discussed on this forum....and WHY NOT ?

[Roger Heath]

Well, I think it is a crying shame that the FBSM forum has gone. I very much enjoyed she sharing of information and there must be many many like me who tried not to contravene any rules but found it very useful being there.

Surely the majority are losing out for ........ what exactly? Whatever was going wrong, was it THAT bad that the whole forum subject had to be pulled?

[Mr Slurpy]

Forum's gone missing.
Someone get the sniffer dogs!
We're all lurchers now.

[Coventrypunter]

i reckon if a lady performs an act that is regarded as sexual by the law then she is prostitute.

if there is ANY genital touching of either party, then it is of a sexual nature.
(Whats genital? well cocks, balls, pussies and tits for definite. not sure about arses, perhaps someone can clarify)

so if a lady advertises that she does sexual acts for money then she is legitimate area for discussion here.

if she does not advertise such acts, then i reckon she is off limits. Even if she rubs your back with her kit off.

is this too simple?


I reckon the FSBM board was always a difficult bedfellow with the FS side of things. I reckon the FSBM guys should be able to create their own forum, with their own moderators, and I am sure a polite email to Galahad would get somewhere to link to your new board. Good luck with it guys.

Edited by Coventrypunter, 09 March 2012 - 17:24.

[Galahad]

'Prostitute' is a woman (or man) that is paid for sex.
Surely a massage with hr is also a sexual act.
So a masseuse that provides a 'sexual act' shouds also be discussed on this forum....and WHY NOT ?

The FBSM scene is somewhat unique in that a large percentage of providers do not advertise, or openly offer, any sexual services at all.

I received many frantic pleas from service providers who advertise solely as legitimate, therapeutic masseuses and who were aghast at having their under-the-radar "extras" announced on a public forum.

That is the crux of the issue and what made the FBSM board such a moderators' nightmare. It was made very clear that only the services a provider mentions in their advertising should be discussed on the forum, but a number of individuals persisted in violating that simple rule and then whining about it when they got pinged.

[Claire]

How many times do you intend to say that, Spliffy? That contact form goes to Galahad, who has made his feelings perfectly clear. Are you thinking that a thousand complaints via contact form will change his decision? I feel it's unlikely.

The matter of the FBSM board is not closed, it's still under discussion and a way forward is still being sought.

[Claire]

As I have just replied in the personal message - the site belongs to G. It's not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. I don't think you're getting that.

[Danish Pia]

"Culprit" ? "Wanker"?

I said I wasn't going to debate this, and I won't. But I feel I should set you right on a couple of things. The "select little group " or wankers or culprits or however you wish to style them, were almost all, to a man, founder members of the FBSM Board. Unlike you, Pia, they were there when it all started and it was never "meant to be a forum for massage and HR only" . It was a board intended to discuss sexual encounters where a proper massage formed a large component. There were no strictures against describing oral or full sex. So let's not presume to re-write history to suit ourselves, shall we? Certainly, the nature of the board changed over time, nobody disagrees with that. But it didn't start that way. I remember, I was there.

Would you like to give a little more detail as to why I have been named as one of the main culprits for closing the board down? I would be fascinated to learn why.

Ah, you are part of the founding members of the FBSM board now.. Strange, I always thought it was Galahad's board but there you go. Nice to know that you are here to set us all right.

Is that why you always thought you should decide what was allowed on the board then? Is that why you saw no hesitation in constantly bullying/ridiculing Mods and rules? Which by the way is the reason why you are one of the main culprits.

[Mr Slurpy]

Chained to the ceiling.
Total darkness but ransom?
We need proof of life.

[brinjer]

I'm sorry to see this forum has closed, but not surprised. It's been coming for a while now. As always, the idiotic minority have spoiled it for the silent majority.

Thanks to the mods for trying to keep things going despite all the flak they have been taking. Hopefully we can find a way to resurrect the forum and get it going again in the future. I do think it served a niche market and I for one did find it very useful.

To everyone who is whinging: at the end of the day this is Galahad's website. His party, his rules. If you don't like it, feel free to F* off and set up your own website and run it however you want. Just don't ruin things for the rest of us here who are happy with the way Galahad runs things.

[Irgendeiner]

As I have just replied in the personal message - the site belongs to G. It's not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. I don't think you're getting that.

When one boards an aircraft, or a ship, one is subject to the lawful authority of the Captain. While I wouldn't dare to dispute Claire's formulation, the Captain of an Easyjet cattle class Boeing isn't usually called a dictator, but it is true that his authority (until he lands) is absolute.

Just like Cap'n Galahad's here....

[WarmOil]

Parting is sorrow
Light at end of the tunnel?
The forum needs life

[The Dentist]

The FBSM Board was good at the start but was increasingly becoming a joke. There is nothing to stop those that want to continue their dialogue to vote with their feet and carry on elsewhere.

[sciros]

FBSM board
Wankers ruined it for all
You know who you are

FBSM board
Rules broken and mods despair
That board is no more

If you want to find
A full service provider
Then this is the place

Ladies who do not
Offer escort services
Are off topic here

Mod team does not want
This to become a debate
Wise men heed warning

Respect to G, the correct if difficult decision.

[sciros]

Well, I think it is a crying shame that the FBSM forum has gone.  I very much enjoyed she sharing of information and there must be many many like me who tried not to contravene any rules but found it very useful being there.

Surely the majority are losing out for ........ what exactly?  Whatever was going wrong, was it THAT bad that the whole forum subject had to be pulled?

The internet is a big place, Pnet isn't the only game in town. I tried to play by the rules, "My review would breah the rules of the forum, please look in general info pm me.people would request info, that the provider wouldn't want me to give.

[monkeyballs]

To everyone who is whinging: at the end of the day this is Galahad's website. His party, his rules. If you don't like it, feel free to F* off and set up your own website and run it however you want. Just don't ruin things for the rest of us here who are happy with the way Galahad runs things.

Thank you Vichy France.

As far as I was aware, people still had the right to complain about experiences, although apparently and increasingly not in BBBWC and DP (ooerr)'s iron glove clad dictatorvessel of dystopian massageless doom. 'Join the forum and obey, we rule this thing, bitch' ain't the mantra I was born to chant (It's not tantric, for one thing ).

This has been on the cards for a long time.

Inevitable
Forum gone away (for good?)
Haiku not to blame!

Edited by monkeyballs, 09 March 2012 - 23:05.

[Mr Slurpy]

So you think the board
went seedy? Didn't stop you
Posting Frequently.

Brinjer nice of you
to stick up for the lurkers.
Almost one yourself.

[LouisaPSUk]

So you think the board
went seedy? Didn't stop you
Posting Frequently.

Brinjer nice of you
to stick up for the lurkers.
Almost one yourself.

So you think the board
went seedy? Didn't stop you
Posting Frequently.

Yes I do! If you were to take a look at my profile, you would notice that I am most active in the 'UK & Ireland General Discussion' forum.

There was a time when I really enjoyed posting on the FBSM forum. However, I suddenly found myself becoming angry with how the forum was taking shape. On many occasions I made my feelings clear. Unfortunately, I can no longer show this due to the forum being removed. A number of times, things I read left me sickened. There were signs of abuse in more than one post, that I found disturbing to say the least.

So I stopped. I would enter the board, type 'Ania' in the Search bar, and if a new post came up I would read it.

A joke is one thing, but then it begins to wear after being repeated several times. It is a prime example of crossing that thin line, into the oblivion of no return.

What saddens me is that so many of those posting on this thread, still don't grasp the concept.

The point about being a Sensual Masseuse has nothing to do with being better than the rest. I for one, would not dispute the fact that 'HR' in exchange for money is a sexual favour. What I will stand by is it is a service of difference to a FS Service. Just as Mistress work, porn and any other sexually enhanced profession is different.

There is a reason why there was a separate forum for SM, and why so many of you participated in posting there.

[Mr Slurpy]

Try writing haiku.
A long shot but it just might
Concentrate Your Thoughts.

[tannedblondbloke]

I enjoy massage with HE so I am migrating to http://www.forum-x.co.uk/ as they have a section Massage Plus HR
If you know where else to go let me know. I understand the job of the moderators.

Forum X just isn't the same. Just three threads with tons and tons of posts in. Very difficult to find what you are looking for. A real shame that this forum has died...

[JamesBowie]

This is complete madness - why not warn and then ban the individuals who broke the rules? This resource is a massive loss and surely goes against the whole reason this website and message board was started in the first place. It's been on the cards for some time, but still certain individuals kept bending/breaking the rules and goading JKay. Don't even make me start on the fucking dumb "ruin every post" with Haiku bollocks. Maybe the first one or two were funny, but adding stupid crap to nearly every post over the last few days... fucking amazing, really big and clever.

I'll look back in for a while, but if the board doesn't get reinstated, I can't see the point - well done dickheads!

[Claire]

As far as I was aware, people still had the right to complain about experiences, although apparently and increasingly not in BBBWC and DP (ooerr)'s iron glove clad dictatorvessel of dystopian massageless doom. 'Join the forum and obey, we rule this thing, bitch' ain't the mantra I was born to chant (It's not tantric, for one thing ).

Congratulations on completely misreading what I said. There was no mention of 'We'. GALAHAD is the ruler here. I'm a minion and I have my own opinions which actually don't always tie in with the rules - but I accepted the post of Mod on the understanding that whether I not I agreed with the rules, i would uphold them.

Plus, as has been stated on many an occasion - no-one collects you in a minibus every morning and brings you here. You have the right to remain - elsewhere.