Madison

Can someone please explain this to me?

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OK, I need help people.

I am new to UK, so maybe things work differently than what I am use to?

In the US, there are two different types of providers (basically speaking).

There are massage girls, then there are escorts.

People there know, that if you are looking for fs you call an escort, and if you are looking for a good massage with a great ending, but not fs, you call a massage girl.

This makes sense, doesn't it??

Well apparently to most people here it does not. I clearly state in my adverts that I do bdsm, or massage only, no fs, , yet I constantly get callers asking me for fs.

Whyyyyy does this happen?? It is just really frustrating for me I guess, to constantly get calls and emails that I have to turn away.

Any insight is appreciated, and thanks for listening to my rant! :(

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I can't explain it Madison, only sympathise. It's a common, and justified, complaint on here by sensual masseuses. Personally unless a masseuse says she offers full service I assume she doesn't, and unless an escort says she's trained in massage I assume she's not, but it seems some guys just enjoy pushing their luck. I can only suggest you spell it out in words of one syllable: "This is what I offer, I DO NOT provide a full sexual service, and anyone who makes such a request will be blocked in future."

There, now I've given you such a nice polite reply I suppose a shag's out of the questioin? :eek::(

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There, now I've given you such a nice polite reply I suppose a shag's out of the questioin? :eek::(

Lol:D......

Thanks for the suggestion!

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Oh I love the knobbers that make their own services and price list as they go along!

Yesterday I was doing hr only, I had some guy ask me about no massage just a blow job and CIM,

my reply: Does my profile say I do blow jobs let alone CIM??

His reply was classic!:well you said that you were looking to get back into the full service once your back is better, so i thought as a blow job puts no strain on the back it was worth asking the question.

i can't see me getting much pleasure from you so you will not be getting my business. :eek::(

I have NEVER done CIM even as a fps escort -

I just told him - Trust me I have PLENTY of business to do exactly as I want to do, thank you for your enquiry but no thanks :P

Happens as a FPS escort also, I don't think half get past the pictures :mad:

S x

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Please don't take this the wrong way but your profile on a well known site does indicate an "escort". You could be listed under something else but I very much doubt that would bring as many hits.

I myself had come across your advert and "read it" and understood the services on offer.

As Tonyofstoney has suggested you really need to spell it out loud and clear.

Hope you get it sorted. :(

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I find that the words 'Escort' 'Full Service' and 'Massage' have different meanings dependent on the client's expectations. For instance I've had chaps phone asking "I'd like a massage please" where massage is code for rumpy pumpy. Others when I say I'm an Escort seem to think that only means holding hands, or accompanying them to dinner..

Establishments seem to add to the confusion by sometimes describing their girls as masseuse, escort and/or companion.

So confusion reigns at all ends.

We also have to realise that some chaps don't have the time:rolleyes:to read our profiles, only pick up the phone number - so we must endeavor to be polite when asked such questions.:(:eek::P

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We also have to realise that some chaps don't have the time:rolleyes:to read our profiles, only pick up the phone number - so we must endeavor to be polite when asked such questions.:(:eek::P

Your rolling eyes are noted, but I prefer to spell things out :mad:....instead of doing their research properly, as usually advised on here, they're JUST TOO DAMN LAZY to read through a ladies details before calling.

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OK, I need help people.

I am new to UK, so maybe things work differently than what I am use to?

In the US, there are two different types of providers (basically speaking).

There are massage girls, then there are escorts.

People there know, that if you are looking for fs you call an escort, and if you are looking for a good massage with a great ending, but not fs, you call a massage girl.

This makes sense, doesn't it??

Well apparently to most people here it does not. I clearly state in my adverts that I do bdsm, or massage only, no fs, , yet I constantly get callers asking me for fs.

Whyyyyy does this happen?? It is just really frustrating for me I guess, to constantly get calls and emails that I have to turn away.

Any insight is appreciated, and thanks for listening to my rant! :(

Hi Madison, If you're talking about your advert on A Work then perhaps it'd help if you put it in bold at the start of the page that you only offer massage and BDSM. It's not clear enough for a quick reader, even tho you've written it. Together with the big list of your 'enjoys' they're not going to notice the bits you're not offering all the time.

As to your website, the blue line at the top of the page, you've called yourself Independent Escort Website and advertise on escort websites. Clear the Independent Escort Website bit and just cope with any others who find you thru escort sites.

Advertising on escort sites gets you lots of traffic, but that might not all be appropriate to your services. More fishing me thinks on where else you can advertise.

Good luck !

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:eek:

Your rolling eyes are noted, but I prefer to spell things out :(....instead of doing their research properly, as usually advised on here, they're JUST TOO DAMN LAZY to read through a ladies details before calling.

Both seem very important qualities for success in the business. Strawberry's comment reminds me of the almost superhuman tolerance of WGs dealing with numpties. One WG pal I know is the epitome of calm - like Sasha Gray's character in the Soderbergh film. So much so that, one day when she was having a wee rant about boyfriend arguments and losing the rag a bit at him, the contrast tickled me. "Yes," she said. "I've just about used up my tolerance quotient by the time I'm done with clients!"

Spelling things out is important but if it doesn't get thru and you just blame the client, so what? You still have to deal with it. My advice is to put it in capitals and in words of few syllables and only a few words in a paragraph. Highlight it any way you can. Further down the profile say it again. Say it nicely - you don't want to give the impression you specialise in talking to the mentally retarded - but say it firmly, loudly and more than once.

There's another old journalistic rule that comes to mind. If you want to write Guardian-style, write Sun-speak first. Then posh it up. If you write 'nicely' first off, you will not connect and it will look verbose.

A great example of making even utter idiots listen is in GloryHole Edinburgh's profile. You can imagine the clients she attracts: if she can get them in line, you can get 'nice' clients in line!

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OK, I need help people.

I am new to UK, so maybe things work differently than what I am use to?

In the US, there are two different types of providers (basically speaking).

There are massage girls, then there are escorts.

People there know, that if you are looking for fs you call an escort, and if you are looking for a good massage with a great ending, but not fs, you call a massage girl.

This makes sense, doesn't it??

Well apparently to most people here it does not. I clearly state in my adverts that I do bdsm, or massage only, no fs, , yet I constantly get callers asking me for fs.

Whyyyyy does this happen?? It is just really frustrating for me I guess, to constantly get calls and emails that I have to turn away.

Any insight is appreciated, and thanks for listening to my rant! :(

Hi Madison,

I had a non-forensic look at your homepage website. My first impression would be that the massage you offer is not standard and in addition you also do bdsm which I suggest most masseuses do not provide. There are references to intimacy,kinky,fun, wickedness and open mindedness to suggestions --- which all in all IMO are unsual for a masseuse and therefore I can understand a punter asking and chancing his luck. Like the other posters advise , I think early on you should clearly outrule fs to avoid confusion.:eek:

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Madison, from reading your website it is unclear as to what you offer and what you do not offer in terms of services....well, ok you do state that you offer massaging services and bdsm but nowhere on there it states that you strictly do not offer sex or full service. I think if you look in any pro domme website or even a pure massage therapist website, they will clearly state that there is absolutely no sexual services of any sort and people who look for that should look elsewhere.

So it is very easy for a punter to mistake your advert and assume you offer full service along with massages and bdsm. Maybe you should consider adding the 'No Full service' part explicitly and considering you are a member here in a site called 'Punternet', it is very easy to mistake what you offer (or rather DO NOT offer) unless you explicitly state it there so there are no confusions.

Just my two pence on the issue.

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Dearest Madison,

1) When logging on to your website it says "Independant Escort Website" in the top left hand corner.

2) The 2 reviews on your website are from *********, which is more an Escort website than a massage website.

3) It says "intimacy" on your home page. IMHO, a masseuse and a BDSM lady do not get intimate with their clients. Am I right in thinking SM is bondage, domination and sado-masochism? As that is not my scene, I don't know the term's meaning, and can only guess.

4) The photos do not suggest to me Masseuse, but do suggest Escort.

5) On your links it says "Madisonescortblogspot.com" . This is apparently very misleading.

6) The link sites all suggest to me Escort sites.

7) Linking sensual massage with BDSM is unusual in this country.

That is my 10c worth. Does a dime get you a BJ?

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Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I have ammended my site and will do my other page as well.

As for the heading at the top of my site, that is something my site designer did and did not ask me about, so I will have to speak to him to get it changed.

Thanks again everyone!

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Dearest Madison,

2) The 2 reviews on your website are from *********, which is more an Escort website than a massage website.

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Though this may be true, if you read the reviews the guys detail out exactly what went on in the session, so it should clear up any confusion guys may have over it.

Anyways, like I said, again thank you!

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Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I have ammended my site and will do my other page as well.

As for the heading at the top of my site, that is something my site designer did and did not ask me about, so I will have to speak to him to get it changed.

Thanks again everyone!

Perhaps you should contact the very prolific poster LOTM for tips on how to maximise extremely lucrative non-penetrative 3 hour run 'n' tug romps, also known as 'money for old rope' - if true, personally I believe every word she writes.

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Perhaps you should contact the very prolific poster LOTM for tips on how to maximise extremely lucrative non-penetrative 3 hour run 'n' tug romps, also known as 'money for old rope' - if true, personally I believe every word she writes.

I don't think you can contact LotM any more as she was banned recently for I believe two simultaneous profiles on this site.

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I don't think you can contact LotM any more as she was banned recently for I believe two simultaneous profiles on this site.

Bloody hell! - I am shocked and disappointed as I was looking forward to a 3 hour booking with the faint possibility of her wetting herself for £200. Bugger, I'll just have to have a wank instead - but wait a minute ..............

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Hi Madison,

The confusion comes from the fact that to get around the law, brothels started using 'massage parlour' they have been using this term for a long time now, so it's understood that when you go to a 'massage parlour' your going to see a WG.

Acctual Massage parlours ( with the massuese) are called Spa's.

Anyway, I do know where you are coming from, I work from Ego on ocassion which is a strictly massage with a happy ending, and I added a sensual massage page to my A/W to advertise that service, as some of my clients do just like a massge with HR.

I got a call today for this and I explained that as I was offering escort services I couldn't supply the service he was looking for, he said that was fine he would bring a bottle of baby oil and I could do it on the bed...

When he arrived he tried to kiss me and I politely turned my cheek for the kiss, to which he said, 'oh don't you french kiss then?' I replied that I offer french kissing as part of my escort services, and proceeded to explain that if he wanted an escort service I would be happy to provide him with a 1/2 hour appointment, he said 'no he wanted the 1 hour at £85'

Now my 1/2 hour is £70 for escort services...

Halfway through, he tries to grope my chest at which point I reminded him that, touching my breast would come under escort services, and that I had offered the half hour escort service to him at the beginning of the appointment.

As I was giving him a lingam massage he decided that he would try and stroke my vagina, with the back of his hand, I told him if he touched me intimately again I was terminating the service as he asked for a sensual massage with HR not a FPS.

His reply was comical...

'oh' I thought that i would at least get to touch you'

me:' can I ask you something, have you ever had a spa massage before?'

him: 'yes'

me: 'Were you allowed to touch your massuese vagina or any part of her?'

him: 'No'

me: Right then, you called me and asked for a sensual massage with HR, as you did not ask for a personal service with massage I can only assume you wanted a massage, if you decide to visit me in the future for massage please don't visit me on the days that I offer escort services.

Anyway... I think it is a combination of things...

First is the difference between culture, as USA and GB have differneces in how they name things, and what functions they perform.

Second is the Massage parlour (spa), and the 'massage parlour'(brothel)

Third is if you are advertising on escort boards then most will assume that you offer more than just massage and HR unless it is clearly stated.

Spa massueses don't offer HR so in effect it is a escort service, and the lines get blurred, but if you state clearly on all of your profiles just what you offer then you should get to many calls about FPS.

Also you may want to advertise on BDSM sites as they are a market all of thier own and there are several sites dedicated to Domme, fetish etc...

**, and PN etc are mostly sex sites, The dommes who advertise here offer sexual intercourse as part of thier service, so would be an escort with domme mix...

As I said it gets complicated.

Hope this helps somewhat.

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Hey Madison.

Just make it easy for you: Assume that a certain percentage of the male population are about as clever as domesticated fowl. Adjust your marketing strategy accordingly.

Quack,

Enmat

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Hi Madison,

The confusion comes from the fact that to get around the law, brothels started using 'massage parlour' they have been using this term for a long time now, so it's understood that when you go to a 'massage parlour' your going to see a WG.

Acctual Massage parlours ( with the massuese) are called Spa's.

Anyway, I do know where you are coming from, I work from Ego on ocassion which is a strictly massage with a happy ending, and I added a sensual massage page to my A/W to advertise that service, as some of my clients do just like a massge with HR.

I got a call today for this and I explained that as I was offering escort services I couldn't supply the service he was looking for, he said that was fine he would bring a bottle of baby oil and I could do it on the bed...

When he arrived he tried to kiss me and I politely turned my cheek for the kiss, to which he said, 'oh don't you french kiss then?' I replied that I offer french kissing as part of my escort services, and proceeded to explain that if he wanted an escort service I would be happy to provide him with a 1/2 hour appointment, he said 'no he wanted the 1 hour at £85'

Now my 1/2 hour is £70 for escort services...

Halfway through, he tries to grope my chest at which point I reminded him that, touching my breast would come under escort services, and that I had offered the half hour escort service to him at the beginning of the appointment.

As I was giving him a lingam massage he decided that he would try and stroke my vagina, with the back of his hand, I told him if he touched me intimately again I was terminating the service as he asked for a sensual massage with HR not a FPS.

His reply was comical...

'oh' I thought that i would at least get to touch you'

me:' can I ask you something, have you ever had a spa massage before?'

him: 'yes'

me: 'Were you allowed to touch your massuese vagina or any part of her?'

him: 'No'

me: Right then, you called me and asked for a sensual massage with HR, as you did not ask for a personal service with massage I can only assume you wanted a massage, if you decide to visit me in the future for massage please don't visit me on the days that I offer escort services.

Anyway... I think it is a combination of things...

First is the difference between culture, as USA and GB have differneces in how they name things, and what functions they perform.

Second is the Massage parlour (spa), and the 'massage parlour'(brothel)

Third is if you are advertising on escort boards then most will assume that you offer more than just massage and HR unless it is clearly stated.

Spa massueses don't offer HR so in effect it is a escort service, and the lines get blurred, but if you state clearly on all of your profiles just what you offer then you should get to many calls about FPS.

Also you may want to advertise on BDSM sites as they are a market all of thier own and there are several sites dedicated to Domme, fetish etc...

**, and PN etc are mostly sex sites, The dommes who advertise here offer sexual intercourse as part of thier service, so would be an escort with domme mix...

As I said it gets complicated.

Hope this helps somewhat.

I don't quite understand how this intimate touching came about .

Did he try to touch you through your clothes or was it a naturist massage where you were both naked ?.

What sort of position was he in when he tried to touch your vagina with the back of his hand ?.

Is it possible that , given the awkwardness of a back-handed touch , that the contact was accidental ?.

Did he carry on with the massage or leave deflated ?.

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I'm a fairly simple type.

If living has left bits of the old bod bent out of shape, I see a physio and get it sorted properly.

"Sensual massage" as a standalone seems bloody pointless, and noway would I risk the frustration. But if she is good at it as a warm up or to undo the knots frm an over energetic shag, then fine.

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I have found that the UK has some severe hang ups between areas of interest. For instance people into BDSM scowl at swingers (and yet at least a third swing). Escorts scowl at swingers (yet I know many do swing) and BDSM scowl at escorts (and yet many do include sex when paying for a professional service from a Domme) and so on.

Where I think you can probably prosper from offering some BDSM services on your current site, it would definitely be worth joining a site like informed consent to advertise your services there, but I would not include that you do massage as it is irrelevant and could be misconstrude.

Don't make the mistake I have made and be honest/open. It is far better to keep all areas of your life seperate and only talk about what is relevant to where you are. That way you are not going to be judged or misconstrude.

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Good point Kisskate Hun. I've been in one or two of these groups from time to time and initially there is a sense of, 'Aren't we so incredibly liberal!'

Usually they're not.

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OK, I need help people.

I am new to UK, so maybe things work differently than what I am use to?

In the US, there are two different types of providers (basically speaking).

There are massage girls, then there are escorts.

People there know, that if you are looking for fs you call an escort, and if you are looking for a good massage with a great ending, but not fs, you call a massage girl.

This makes sense, doesn't it??

Well apparently to most people here it does not. I clearly state in my adverts that I do bdsm, or massage only, no fs, , yet I constantly get callers asking me for fs.

Whyyyyy does this happen?? It is just really frustrating for me I guess, to constantly get calls and emails that I have to turn away.

Any insight is appreciated, and thanks for listening to my rant! :P

Firstly, Madison, I refer here only to your entry on "that site" as I'm sure that's where most of your enquiries come from, and which does not, I see, link to your own site. Other posters here have suggested that your site profile etc. is a little ambiguous, but it's downright misleading in my opinion and I'm not at all surprised that you've been getting the responses you describe. Consider:

1 - You tick the box "Escorts." OK in itself maybe, but not when taken with other entries.

2 - In your interview you claim a preference for "doggy all the way", "me on bottom, legs held up over head" and "… fuck me mentally first!" Now, I don't know what you expect would-be punters to infer from this but…...…

3 - Your FAQ does indeed say that "This is a sensual massage ending with a hand or ow release….. " but under Play Time you claim to be "very open minded to any suggestions or ideas you may have" and the list of activities you do not perform merely says "receiving oral from you, or giving oral without" and "anal on me." There's no mention of vaginal penetration anywhere!

Finally, whilst I have no problem with your fee of £150 per hour, I think many punters might well be expecting something more for that amount, and hence their enquiries.

So, in conclusion, I think you're being a little na

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If you only do outcalls do you take a massage table with you?

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