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How Do You Define an Escort?

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This is a question of great interest to me and after reading Madisons recent thread, which also brings the question up, I thought it might be interesting to hear your views, from both sides.

To me it is as simple as someone offering their time and attention as a personal service at a rate. What happens within that time is between the two people with given consent.

However, it seems that it is an awful lot more than that. As it has been suggested that an escort must offer services to everyone without discrimination. Ie, a man dressed as a lady, a man who speaks no English, A lady? Well is it not discrimination to refuse? blah blah, I'm sure you get my point.

So... what to you makes someone an escort. Do they all have to play by the same rules and if so where are the rules and what is the difference between a 'part-time' escort and a 'full-time' one?

As a punter, do you have a preference between the two?

This is a very general question, I am not looking for arguements or to make a point, just interested.

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It was a very popular car manufactured by the Ford Motor Company!

Seriously, my definition of an escort is someone who sells their time to be with someone else - what happens during that time is a whole other discussion down to the individuals concerned.

If someone is going to sell their time as a companion they need to ensure they clarify to the purchaser what activities they are willing to participate in.

Your other question re full or part time - can't see any difference personally - it's down to whether I find the lady attractive and if she is in the right place at the right time!

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An Escort contracts to provide the client with her company, for a set period of time!

(The client has a very reasonable expectation, and will be v_e_r_y upset if he turns out to be wrong, that, assuming he is clean, sober and polite, he will enjoy sexual contact with her.)

With respect to Madison, her web-site (as seen yesterday - she may have made it clearer since then) would have allowed me to assume that penetrative sex would be available, if I had not read her postings here.

As I understood her, to get the full picture, the prospective client requires to visit both her profile on "another well known adult site" as well as her own web site. Given that a majority of punters seem unable to read the words on a lady's own site, beyond the telephone number, expecting them to go to two sites, and to read the quite small print on the "other" site, is asking too much!

Back to the question! Who isn't an Escort?

I don't think that street girls (who we are forbidden to discuss here) walk-up girls, or parlour girls are Escorts. I think I'd go one further and say that an Escort does do outcalls.

I would say that Madison is probably not an Escort, given that the sexyiest service that I think she offers is a hand shandy, but equally, that would be held by our courts to make her a "prostitute". I think her abbreviation "fs" extends to "full service" which can be understood, Your Honour, to mean penetrative sex, which she does not provide, as, obviously is her entire right.

It is all rather confusing. I think I'll go for a walk.

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Well I know I have used the services of an escort because my modus operandi is the dinner date and the ladies whose time and companionship I have paid for certainly have accompanied or escorted me to the restaurants.

These days I think it is just an appropriated euphumism for a prostitue who provides a full personal service.

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So... what to you makes someone an escort. Do they all have to play by the same rules and if so where are the rules and what is the difference between a 'part-time' escort and a 'full-time' one?

As a punter, do you have a preference between the two?

This is a very general question, I am not looking for arguements or to make a point, just interested.

I'd largely second Irgendeiner's thoughts there. It comes down to popular usage. I don't mind stretching the envelope to include an escort that only does incalls if there's no other acceptable title. Most sites don't distinguish, even though it seems that she ought at least be able to escort someone further than her front door.:P

And I don't personally distinguish between an incall only and outcall escort or a full time and part time one. These are attributes. She's still an escort, but the attributes tell me whether she may fit in with my requirements.

I don't have preference per se over one or the other. Mostly I like an outcall to my house. But if she charges the sky for that then I'll go and see her instead. If I'm in the mood for pse then I'm less likely to pick a part timer unless she has good experience and a track record. But I also like the fun of being someone's 'first punter' occasionally. So no rules. Just comes down to the person. My preferences are: easy to contact, lives nearby, usually 18-25, tall slim and blonde is a bonus, highly intelligent is a bonus, funny and witty is a bonus, exceptionally skilled is a bonus, being organised and reliable is quite a big bonus, having massive chemistry and passion is a big bonus. Not charging more than I wish to pay is a big bonus. Small minus points for on tour, active on PN, or lack of all the things listed as 'bonus.' Big minus (usually just rule her out completely) is if she offers bareback, if she's rude, uses textspeak in emails, advertises under different names or is visibly duplicitous in any other way, or changes the terms of an arrangement.

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The word has become an all purpose euphemism for prostitute. But for starters i agree with this "I don't think that street girls (who we are forbidden to discuss here) walk-up girls, or parlour girls are Escorts. I think I'd go one further and say that an Escort does do outcalls."

Then, going back to the origin of the word, in the paid companionship biz, she has to be someone I would be happy to meet in a social context. And finally (since we would indeed be v.grumpy if sex were off limits) she has to be able to at least give the impression of enjoying the encounter.

Actually Strawberry's "Customer/Consumer Experience" thread on the OT page is quite relevant

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what is the difference between a 'part-time' escort and a 'full-time' one?

Full time generally means she takes the job seriously and works at least as many hours as would merit the tag in any other line of work. Part time is the other end of the scale. I know in practice many other things factor in, but I don't really think about these as a 'punter' too much. Hope that helps. :P

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"If I'm in the mood for pse then I'm less likely to pick a part timer unless she has good experience and a track record."

** come on! Doncha just love the surprises?

I confess to sometimes risking a dull one just because of a look in the photos or a phrase on the blurb and actually because the availability suggests a life beyond.

like last night, a woman in her 40s (excellent nick), newish in the biz, good conversation and filthy sex with quotes from John Donne

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"If I'm in the mood for pse then I'm less likely to pick a part timer unless she has good experience and a track record."

** come on! Doncha just love the surprises?

I confess to sometimes risking a dull one just because of a look in the photos or a phrase on the blurb and actually because the availability suggests a life beyond.

like last night, a woman in her 40s (excellent nick), newish in the biz, good conversation and filthy sex with quotes from John Donne

Sure I love surprises. But if I want deep throat, anal and gymnastics then finding she doesn't do them or lacks the requisite skill and experience to do them well is the not the sort of surprise I am paying for.

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There you go

But, taking the risk of vanilla, I've found a new cert for filthy sex AND fun conversation.

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I would say that Madison is probably not an Escort, given that the sexyiest service that I think she offers is a hand shandy,

Disagree very much so - Having been a fps escort and now just offer massage with hr the latter of the two is FAR more sexier than the former!

You spend your time, with full body to body contact, gliding your body over the other persons, stroking, kissing, caressing, the slight touch it is all VERY much more sensual and sexy well for me anyway but then again the biggest turn on for me about it is the being in total control!

S x

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last night, a woman in her 40s newish in the biz, with quotes from John Donne

I am pleased you had a nice time. :D

I rather suspect, Sir, that you and I have different tastes.

I would, however, stick with the John Donne if there was nothing better on offer - particularly if she read it from memory.

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Sabrina - you make an excellent point - but would you not like the client to be clear in his own mind about how far (a better adjective perhaps) things might go? For this reason, commonplace understanding of the word is of utmost importance. So should you or Madison choose to use the title escort, particular care is needed to indicate precisely what might and might not be available.

'Sensual Companion' might be appropriate: but is hardly a well-defined denominator

(Sips utterly gorgeous red from my birthday gifts earlier this year.)

Common terms apart, I have a few clear(ish) distinctions in my own mind. A WG, for instance, may just be a young woman who is good fun. Or she might be a quick blow-shoot-and-run. An affectionate, general term but without the derogatory implication of when it is spelt in full.

A courtesan is what I think of as a lady (or lady of leisure - my leisure more than hers!) and has physical, social, sexual and emotional skills to make me feel good. She may even inspire me - and with her she would be the Muse rather than the more accidental means. (I find the convention if calling all WGs 'ladies' disingenuous at best.

Wh*re is often a term of abuse in mixed company though I don't think of it like that. 'Harlot' scales the heights and depths: to me, she can be the sacred harlot that has so much sexual power that she can entrance me whilst picking something from her nose in a filthy Delhi backstreet - as much as the highest paid hooker who can beguile me with a glance at a cocktail party with the hoi polloi or nobility. I'd probably think of her as a courtesan as well in the latter situation, depending on context and her degree of education or lack of it. And her ability to charm the assembled company, not just me.

I think a whole new range of words is needed for the types of sensual masseuse perhaps, don't you maybe?

All the above terms, rightly or wrongly, do suggest to me that penetrative coitus is a possibility unless firmly stated otherwise.

A bit like marriage. :P

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Well I know I have used the services of an escort because my modus operandi is the dinner date and the ladies whose time and companionship I have paid for certainly have accompanied or escorted me to the restaurants.

Phew, thats me one of those escorty girls then, oh,but i work in a parlour too, oh but i work incalls only independently one day a week from a hotel. Oh no..who am i, what am i help im :P:confused:.tart.com.lol.xxx

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Phew, thats me one of those escorty girls then, oh,but i work in a parlour too, oh but i work incalls only independently one day a week from a hotel. Oh no..who am i, what am i help im :P:confused:.tart.com.lol.xxx

lovely shag?:D

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Why try to define it? The girls who are know they are, and they make it quite obvious to us. You can't come up with a hard and fast set of rules, as every person and their circumstances is different.

I'd say a girl who meets a guy for money and frequently (not always) has sex in the time that money buys, is an escort.

You'll be asking me to define "sex" next. Let's go for "any oral and beyond", so as not to upset the "HE" masseuses :D

Not sure what the point of this thread is. Or even why I've replied to it :P

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So...are we agreed that an escort is not determined by who she will meet, but more to do with the fact that she provides company and possibly extra services for money?

How much she charges, how often she works and what she provides has nothing to do with it, as long as she is professional & providing a service that is is satisfactory to the client?

It has nothing to do with her personal life or habits or even who she chooses to see away from her job?

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Correct, imho. An escort can obviously be picky about who she meets though; I've no problem with a girl saying she doesn't want to meet guys under 35, or asian guys, etc etc. Anyone who thinks that this is discrimination is just being awkward!

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Silly distinction

Prostitutes and escorts do sex form money.

Escort is just a euphamism for prostitute.

simples.

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So...are we agreed that an escort is not determined by who she will meet, but more to do with the fact that she provides company and possibly extra services for money?

I don't mind what everyone agrees but I haven't put my name to it;).

In the days when escorts were a bit posh and streetwalkers were slappers it had a meaning. But now you can get any Derby crackhead with three teeth advertising as an escort. It's a distinction without meaning. What you said is maybe a legal euphemism but a misleading one IMO simply as the 'extra services' are not defined. She could be a tour guide to chum me round

Edinburgh. In the OED she is my 'escort' whether she's a WG or a Scottish Tourist Board guide. And if I take someone to a dinner who I am not going out with she is also an escort. And that's even before we get on to cars. :P

An escort is a term that women like and is legally less of a problem than prostitute. In 70's America tyhey were maybe 'commercial comfort providers.' Sex worker and 'service provider' is more to the point but non-specific. But escort, in common parlance within the sex industry, implies full sex unless otherwise stated. Unless, for instance, she's a Derby crackhead who skims the money and runs. A masseuse is not an escort. With or without the most erotic hand relief on the planet (and I agree with Sabrina's point to an extent after some awesomely erotic massages - there's Korean ones in Sydney to die for, and in palatial surroundings!)

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Are sauna/parlour workers escorts?

Simple answer to that up here. It's even on some sauna's price lists. See her at the sauna and she is 'a girl who works at the sauna' or 'one of our hostesses.' If she does 'escorting' work then it means an outcall (at maybe twice the price).

If a girl works from a flat (ie not a commercial premises) she calls herself an escort even if she works with another girl and irrespective of whether it's incall or outcall.

I'm not saying those definitions are right or wrong - just that's how they're used.

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And if I take someone to a dinner who I am not going out with she is also an escort. And that's even before we get on to cars. :P

What is more, if you take her out to dinner, you are her escort.

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What is more, if you take her out to dinner, you are her escort.

Depends who got the invite.

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Silly distinction

Prostitutes and escorts do sex form money.

Escort is just a euphamism for prostitute.

simples.

Agree totally...another fancy name for a prostitute

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Agree totally...another fancy name for a prostitute

Not necessarily. Whilst escort is a euphemism for prostitute, and one could say with almost complete certitude that all escorts are prostitutes, not all prostitutes are escorts (nor would they want to be given the social and emotional involvement that escorting often involves).

B

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Not necessarily. Whilst escort is a euphemism for prostitute, and one could say with almost complete certitude that all escorts are prostitutes, not all prostitutes are escorts (nor would they want to be given the social and emotional involvement that escorting often involves).

B

That why I said it is a prostitute who provides a fps.:P

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