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The difference between Punters and Service Providers

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I have NIK's agreement to post this thought from him whilst he is in pre-Mod and is unwilling to post it himself here.

As I've said before many times on Pnet the service providers don't seem to appreciate the difference between them and us.

Sure sometimes for them it isn't an easy job and they must get some weirdos, etc. I also accept that to be a really good escort, e.g. the type who make you forget it's a paid encounter is an extremely rare skill, which in truth most don't possess.

However for many of them it's just a job. For even the ones who don't see many clients i.e. one a day or less, that is still several punts per week. And for many it must become totally routine.

Whereas many punters might have saved up weeks, even months for that punt. The cost of that punt could easily be a week's wages even today for some or certainly half a week's wages for many.

There have been many times when I've eagerly looked forward to a punt for several days and when I get there I can tell that it's no more than routine job for the girl - something to be got out of the way and forgotten as quickly as possible.

Until service providers come to understand that it's often a special and expensive treat for many punters and not just a routine job to be got out of the way as soon as possible there will always remain the gulf between us.

I will add my personal thoughts later but thought it worth airing here.

This thread will NOT be allowed to descend into a slagging match but on topic thoughts on the subject will be useful.

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:( What NIK says is blindly obvious, isn't it?

And will it EVER be any different, NO.

We have to learn to search and research, listen and learn.

That's why we have PN isn't it?

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Of course there is a difference.

Punters are on one side of the fence, providers on the other.

The same as it is in ANY business.

There are also personal preferences to consider. What NIK may like will be completely different to the next guy.

And other market forces at work, you wouldn't expect to get Marks and Spencers quality in a local Happy Shopper store would you ?

I don't think this industry is any different ot any other industry, sure there will be complaints from some... yet there will be praises from others.

What I would say however just like any other business is that if the punter were to approach the provider at the time of the complaint then I would imagine the majority of the time the complaint can be heard and most likely acted upon.

To use NIKs arguement to direct it back at him, you are using the defence of being human, saving for that special treat.... Well there are some guys who forget that the ladies are also human. Whilst it can be argued that it shouldn't affect their "work" if that lady had an arsehole of a previous customer (yeah, honestly ... it does happen you know) she may well just still be a little upset by that. I'm sure that many would argue that she shouldn't see the next guy but it is often a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"

So, in short, there will always be a difference.. it is impossible not to be.

As NIK has stated there may be a gulf, but that gulf is not caused only by one side, but he will only ever see it from the side he is sitting on.

Just my two-penneth to even the paying field :-)

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I have NIK's agreement to post this thought from him whilst he is in pre-Mod and is unwilling to post it himself here.

I will add my personal thoughts later but thought it worth airing here.

This thread will NOT be allowed to descend into a slagging match but on topic thoughts on the subject will be useful.

He never did learn to use the the word some:(

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The difference , IMHO, is that being a wg is not easy, being a punter is.

I challenge anyone (male of course) to sell his back-side to a complete stranger ( male again, of course) and smile.

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I don't think there is a void. I think this is a normal relationship that one would have with a client. That's the game were playing here. If the relationship continues over a period of time that can change and become less formal (while remaining professional) like any client relationship can in any job.

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I challenge anyone (male of course) to sell his back-side to a complete stranger ( male again, of course) and smile.

If the price is right i'd be beaming like a Cheshire Cat (And I don't come cheap)

Not exactly sure what the OP is getting at as regards having an appreciation as to how much a punt means to a punter. We choose how much of our money we spend and who on and it's no different to any other service. Rogue Traders are everywhere. Fools and their money are parted with easily.

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I have NIK's agreement to post this thought from him whilst he is in pre-Mod and is unwilling to post it himself here.

I will add my personal thoughts later but thought it worth airing here.

This thread will NOT be allowed to descend into a slagging match but on topic thoughts on the subject will be useful.

Punting is a treat, a luxuary. It is also a lottery, a gamble. If it is going to upset you because you have lost your had earned cash then perhaps it is a hobby you can't afford and should not be doing it. You can of course demand that WGs gaurantee a good service the way you expect it whatever that maybe but that is obviously impossible. I think for any unhappy punter there is at least one if not more happy punters. Expectations are different and some men are more easily pleased and others like myself are rather harder to please.

I also wonder if punting can become a habit and an addiction for some to the point that it makes your life miserable.

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Many people moan about poor service on the message board and to be fair there is a lot of applauding of good service too on here. This should really be done via the field report system.

I would imagine though that perhaps some people do not hold the field report system in such high regard. It is one sided argument about someone being good or bad. The forum however opens up the debate to hundreds, not good if you're the subject matter being discussed but it probably gives a more balanced view point at the end of the day.

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Being a WG is difficult I think and one area that we the punters should respect.

For a Punter its easy - in my experience - guaranteed shag what could be easier.

The money means that you choose. Its down to wanting something and money. Make a choice and off you go - you get a great girl - one you have chosen (so don't complain) and if you ask the right questions etc one that will do what you like.

You have to be honest how many of these girls would actually go out with you if you did not pay - once the meeting starts then I think the girl should be paid a high level of respect to get the best out of the time.

Also you are paying for their time - your time is free. But for a WG time is money. The chat leading up to the date - the WG getting ready, travel etc all adds up so it maybe an hour or two to for a punter - but for the WG then it could investing a lot longer.

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I tend to agree to an extent with both NIK and Nina. ;) (Who'd a thought it!) the OP needs "some" adding.

Some WGs are exactly as NIK describes and do need to either start empathising with the punter (Customer) or leave the industry and try selling something other than their favours. I have met a few in my time and they have tended to be working in areas where they are the prettiest or youngest of the bunch which has meant they have learned the wrong lessons. "Daddies girls" who have had their credit cards paid off by the parents and never had to do a day's work in their lives make the worst Pros in my opinion.

However a lot do have their heads in the right place and give at least a very convincing impression of liking what they do and thinking of the punter as a human being, not just an ATM on legs.

In order to provide balance, although a lot of Punters, including apparently the one whose eyes continually roll, are much more empathic with a WG in person than they ever come across here however there do remain ones who don't view a WG as human but more as some form of realistic blow-up doll and who have the attitude "I have paid, I shall do as I like". We have all seen those sort in restaurants, clubs, on planes etc and you tend to sympathise with those "serving" them and thank God you are not in their party.

Good OP though and worth debating.

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Some WGs do realise it is a large amount of money for 'punters', I've lost count of the times I've turned down bookings because it would not be possible to offer the quality of booking the client deserves. You'd be surprised how many guys have pushed for an appointment when I know I'm fully booked, would be tired for their or the next days appointments, middle of house move, ask me to fit them in on a tight time schedule where I would hardly be able to think - never mind get one client out the door and the next one in, and without time to wash!

Some have even offered extra money when I say I can't see them, and I've not taken it up. It would therefore follow those guys have made the above assumption that if they wave enough money, then we will take it.

There are some of us with a conscience.

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Some WGs do realise it is a large amount of money for 'punters', I've lost count of the times I've turned down bookings because it would not be possible to offer the quality of booking the client deserves. You'd be surprised how many guys have pushed for an appointment when I know I'm fully booked, would be tired for their or the next days appointments, middle of house move, ask me to fit them in on a tight time schedule where I would hardly be able to think - never mind get one client out the door and the next one in, and without time to wash!

Some have even offered extra money when I say I can't see them, and I've not taken it up. It would therefore follow those guys have made the above assumption that if they wave enough money, then we will take it.

There are some of us with a conscience.

You make some really relevant points here and ones that I agree with and work by a similar code of practice. I want to see a smile on his face when he leaves, not a frown, so all of these factors are important.

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This really is part of the argument we have with the "abolishionists" (whether moralistic or ideological).

There is a vast amount of exchange of sex for money but there is no single "sex industry".

On both sides there is a huge range of motivations, expectations and personalities

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I can't help noticing with the number of replies that if it had been NIK who posted this it would be a bit more venomous by now.

With work I am unable to stay in the same place for long time so have to find new wg's on a regular basis, for me it is a minefield the attitude of so many is terrible.

The good one's are outweighed by the bad one's at least 6-1 in my experience.

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...although a lot of Punters, including apparently the one whose eyes continually roll...

Who on earth could you mean? I think we should be told.

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Who on earth could you mean? I think we should be told.

Sorry, I have forgotten

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I also accept that to be a really good escort, e.g. the type who make you forget it's a paid encounter is an extremely rare skill, which in truth most don't possess

If you don't want it to feel like a paid encounter then please don't punt, get yourself a G/F or join a social club or something, because even the girls who can make you feel like this, drop the ball, we are human and fallible just as you are, we do understand that you could well have saved for months, for this appointment, but you also need to understand that we are humans, and have emotions and feelings as well.

This is like an imovable object meeting an irresistable force, because neither side is willing to bend enough to allow this to happen.

Such is life, and as there are so many variables to this equation that is is not solvable by a simple answer.

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This is like an imovable object meeting an irresistable force, because neither side is willing to bend enough to allow this to happen.

Good news; the Irresistible force paradox is nothing of the sort! Seemples: nothing is irresistible; nothing is immovable. Nowt happens because neither exist.

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If you don't want it to feel like a paid encounter then please don't punt, get yourself a G/F or join a social club or something, because even the girls who can make you feel like this, drop the ball, we are human and fallible just as you are, we do understand that you could well have saved for months, for this appointment, but you also need to understand that we are humans, and have emotions and feelings as well.

This is like an imovable object meeting an irresistable force, because neither side is willing to bend enough to allow this to happen.

Such is life, and as there are so many variables to this equation that is is not solvable by a simple answer.

It's also a two way street. Guys who are after the perfect simulacrum of a GFE need to get themselves in the right frame of mind first... they need to accept that what is going to happen is a paid encounter, put that in a box somewhere and suspend belief for the duration.

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Also you are paying for their time - your time is free. But for a WG time is money. The chat leading up to the date - the WG getting ready, travel etc all adds up so it maybe an hour or two to for a punter - but for the WG then it could investing a lot longer.

1) A guys time is not free, it is part of his life and is as costly as anyone else's.

2) We have got many posts about guys not getting clean and having breath issues, so the guy does spend some time in nearly all cases getting ready for the booking.

3) Travel is just as costly an issue for punters as escorts who travel the same distance.

4) The punter can spend time trawelling thriough many posts to find the right escort, which also adds to the time spent on the booking.

5) Investment in time and money on a booking, all adds up to a hope that a punter has chosen well, and that in acceopting the booking, the escort is going to be responsive.

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Who on earth could you mean? I think we should be told.

Where the hell is he anyway? Doesn't he realise the place is boring without him?;)

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Where the hell is he anyway? Doesn't he realise the place is boring without him?;)

Don't, Oneputt; just don't. ;)

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In order to provide balance, although a lot of Punters, including apparently the one whose eyes continually roll, are much more empathic with a WG in person than they ever come across here however there do remain ones who don't view a WG as human but more as some form of realistic blow-up doll and who have the attitude "I have paid, I shall do as I like". We have all seen those sort in restaurants, clubs, on planes etc and you tend to sympathise with those "serving" them and thank God you are not in their party.

Good OP though and worth debating.

We had a lady today who came into the room after seeing her client to the door. He had screwed her so hard that she was in pain, he pushed her legs up over her head on the bed so she was stuck and could not get up or move away. She said many times to him please ,you are hurting me but his answer was, this is how I want to do it or i will not come. What a piece of shit. If she had told us before he left he would have been told never to come to our door again. The lady now understands that she must leave the room the first chance she gets if this happens with another guy and he will be ejected, but she did not want to cause a fuss or problems.

I can't help noticing with the number of replies that if it had been NIK who posted this it would be a bit more venomous by now.

Reap what you sow, made your bed now lie in it.......these may explain all.xx

It's also a two way street. Guys who are after the perfect simulacrum of a GFE need to get themselves in the right frame of mind first... they need to accept that what is going to happen is a paid encounter, put that in a box somewhere and suspend belief for the duration.

B

Yes, this is true, we ladies cannot get you into a place in your head that is condusive to a successful punt, thats the mans job. If a guy is expecting a bad service and has a bad attitude then sometimes nothing you do will pull him around.Been there myself and ended up hoping i never saw the guy again.

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Yes, this is true, we ladies cannot get you into a place in your head that is condusive to a successful punt, thats the mans job. If a guy is expecting a bad service and has a bad attitude then sometimes nothing you do will pull him around.Been there myself and ended up hoping i never saw the guy again.

Not quite what I meant, although I take your point about someone expecting a bad service. I was referring to punters who aren't expecting a bad service, but are looking forward to an exceptional one. They have to work at it (not as hard as the girl admittedly), but they can't expect the girl to do all the heavy lifting.

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