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So is it ok to refuse clients on colour grounds?

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A few weeks ago I read a thread on this matter that was abruptly closed, rather sheepishly imho following a request to do so by a postee who opened a can of worms with his views. I believe prejudices and stereotypes should be challenged. I also wanted to know what was the general consensus

The thread in question was started by a black punter, who was told at a Thai establishment that the girls dont see niggers. He asked if there were any thai places that are not racist? One guy replied saying the black guy made a racist slur against thai people, and was over sensitive because he failed to realise it was a preference not a personal slight. He went on to say that in Japan, for example some bars do not let in westerners because of the culture differences and don't want to cause offence/embarrassment etc. So whites get it as well he reasoned! To top it up he asked the mods to close the thread after he made his rant, and sheepily it was.

What a load of tosh.. He failed to see the use of the n word is the biggest insult one could use and it makes clear it was a racist reason not personal choice or preference. I don't think someone should be allowed to make such vindictive post and then asked for the thread to be closed. In other words only his views on the matter count? The mods sould have rebuked him, In fact a mod could have removed his post because it made no help whatsoever in the discussion. Prejudices biases etc should be challenged and not justified or defended on naive or ridiculous grounds.

To compare drinking in a japanese bar to a sex service provider is utter nonsense. If a service provider in the UK said no whites, purely on skin colour grounds, (or they feared they could be paedophiles or sex offenders, since the majority tend to be white) I could only imagine the reaction!

Back in the 50s/60s it was common for landlords to put up signs 'no blacks'. They used the same argument as the rant used in the thread. Not racist just preferences, people prefer being with their own. However if someone put up a sign saying 'no whites', (even if they were British citizens) hell would break out. The windows would be broken and they would be set upon by a baying mob. Also the police would find some way of arresting them.

This is controversial point since some black WGs dont see black men either

Racial profiling, (or discrimination) though unfortunate is a fact of life in this trade, since it is an intimate service? This is rubbish because, if WGs are robbed or assaulted by white clients they do not issue blanket bans against white men, in the same way they do with black clients. Also claiming it is an intimitate service hence choice, is a bit hypocritical since the WG is 'selling herself' anyway. I dont think it makes her 'better' because she does not go with blacks, or any other racial group

The other side of the coin is that prejudices should be challenged, not swept under the carpet or allowed. Such attitudes can be counter productive and lead to ill feeling and mutual distrust. As well as politically embarrassing which is why most countries (and also Japan as mentioned above) outlaw blatant segregation style discrimination. It wont make you popular abroad!

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A few weeks ago I read a thread on this matter that was abruptly closed.

Take a hint...

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I think that if girls are up front ie stating they dont see White, Black or Asian you have to accept that. I'm not saying its right and am in no way prejudice myself I just see a person as a person no matter. But you have to accept that fact, at the end of the day even some guys wouldn't see girls of certain races and nothing would be said about that.

Shelly

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Few points about your post...

1. Is there any reason to include racial names? You could have easily used ***'s to make your point.

2. If you have a problem with the moderation on this board, then take it up with the mod team or Galahad.

2. Prostitution is no easily compared to other industries. Girls are not selling shower curtains. They are selling sex, intimacy, giving men an experience of the girl in question being their girlfriend even if it is just for 30 minutes. A girl has her preferences. Just as guys do. Are you attracted to every single race on the planet? Probably not. So why do punters say that we are discriminating against certain races, why can it not be just a girls certain preference? Just like some girls don't like seeing guys under 30 and some girls don't like to see guys over 50. Do you have a problem with that??

At the end of the day, if you were a race other than caucasion, wouldn't you be happy to see on the girls profile or website that they would prefer not to see you? Saves a wasted punt really doesn't it??

There are alwys comments on boards like this about girls getting jaded etc. If a girl is doing something that is making her that way, don't you think it is best that she puts in measures to stop herself becoming that way? One of these ways is to only see caucasions if she see it the right thing to do. Or she might put age limits on, or request for outcalls only to 5* hotels. Anything really.

Above all a girl has to be happy, otherwise the booking isn't going to be much fun.

Myself I don't have any criteria. However I do vet clients on the phone. If I don't get a good feeling about them on the phone, I don't see them. If i can't understand them on the phone, I don't see them. If I just don't want to see them, I don't see them. Get my drift?

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This is controversial point since some black WGs dont see black men either

Racial profiling, (or discrimination) though unfortunate is a fact of life in this trade, since it is an intimate service? This is rubbish because, if WGs are robbed or assaulted by white clients they do not issue blanket bans against white men, in the same way they do with black clients. Also claiming it is an intimitate service hence choice, is a bit hypocritical since the WG is 'selling herself' anyway. I dont think it makes her 'better' because she does not go with blacks, or any other racial group

I know a black girl who wont see black clients incase they know her fella, and i know 2 white girls and 1 asian girl who wont see black guys because their dicks are too big and it hurts. But nice to see you asume its because we think its only black guys who rob or assault.

In fact we (in my agency) are more worried about albainian, polish and russian men as their has been a spate of assults by easten european men, and one of the newer agencies in bmth was thought to be being run by the mafia, so they where getting rid of their compitition.

when the football is on and 'home team only' is written out side the local pub there is no out cry. when Gypys are in a near by field people dont kick off because you need to start proving your a local to go in the newsagents.

I do not sell my body, i rent it in half hour intervals and who i choose to rent it to is my choice.

No its not always right but its life.

xxx

ps sorry about my spelling xxx

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It is difficult because I feel all wgs have the right to feel comfortable within their work and if being a different colour to the wg makes her uncomfortable (for whatever reason) she should be able to state on her profile that she does not see them in a polite manner without explanation.

I personally do not have a preference colourwise or any experiences that would make me feel differently about anyone from anywhere, but... I do find myself steering away from people that I can not understand, as their grasp of the English language is so poor. I worry that this could lead to misunderstanding, which could result in either disappointment on their side or me being compromised with an expectation I had not actually agreed to and he feeling he should have it, because he thought it was ok.

I do not think there is any need to address anyone in a racist manner and certainly do not support use of words that are rude and historically humiliating. Treat people with respect at all times!

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I do not sell my body, i rent it in half hour intervals and who i choose to rent it to is my choice.

That bout sums it all up! Couldn't have said it better myself

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That bout sums it all up! Couldn't have said it better myself

was just reading yours.... and thinking the same :cool:

great minds eh??

xxx

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Forgot to say on my last post that the girls who dont state they dont see certain types then turn them away at the door are wrong. Honesty is the best way ahead, at least if it is stated then you know what to expect. Both girls and guys are entitled to see who they feel comfortable with.

Shelly

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I do not agree with racism in the slightest and think anyone making sweeping assumptions about people on the basis of skin colour needs a slap in the right direction.

On the other hand I really don't think it's fair in this industry for a girl to feel like she has to f**k anyone who comes their way with cash, just because she is a WG. Freedom of choice is a very important factor as a sex worker or you just can't do this job. She isn't *right* IMO to make these assumptions but for whatever reason she has done... So no one can force her to go against that.

I think the main point on the other thread was that she had not stated on the website that she doesn't see black guys which meant he wasted a lot of time.

Anyone with that much of an issue should post it in their profile.

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A girl should always have the right to refuse to see a client for ANY reason SHE decides.

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A girl should always have the right to refuse to see a client for ANY reason SHE decides.

I would amend this by substituting "Any girl" for "A girl"!

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Take a hint...

Agreed.

Time to replace this can of worms with a tin of baked beans!

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One guy replied saying the black guy made a racist slur against thai people, and was over sensitive because he failed to realise it was a preference not a personal slight.

You cant fight racism with more racism or your just as bad as the origionator. The title of the thread was requested to be changed because it implied ALL thai's were racist, which simply isnt true.

Race is and always will be a difficult subject in this indistry and unfortunately many races if not white can assume its thier race that has lead to disapointment when in fact that may have nothing to do with it. Im not saying that was the case with the above (it clearly wasnt)... racism is racism, just as predjudice is predjiduce. Its not nice or acceptable IMO but its also part of our society.

As far as WG's preferences you cant force a women to do anything... if you do they have a name for that... its called rape. Just as women chose thier services, some make choices as to the types of clients they see, be that age, nationality, race or even sex. Im straight but you dont hear bi women or couples up in arms because I wont see them. Surely its better someone was honest than get bashed for giving a poor service or causing a great deal of embaresment (as was the case in the situation you describe).

Personally I think the point should be made that your not buying the girls soul... your buying her time and within that time you do NOT have the right to do as you please with her... if you feel you can enforce your views on someone else that isnt willing then you should take stock and re evalutae your attitudes towards women. Working girls especially if you feel they should opperate as machines to who ever should happen to have enough cash to pay them.

That doesnt make racism or racial predjudice right but its also something that you cant police in this industry and to do so would in itself be wrong.

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I think to run a parrellel with that case with the elderly christian woman that ran a B&B who didn't want a gay couple staying there, I sympathise that she feels strongly about same sex relationships on religous grounds, and being elderly it is unlikely her viewpoint held for decades will ever change there is a simple solution:

If we want to live in a discrimination free society, people who discriminate should not be allowed to provide services etc and then ban a certain race.

I am of course sympathetic to some of the intelligently raised points here, like some girls will avoid black men as they are too big, but then the issue isn't really race then is it it's size? If that issue is confronted you can safely keep race out of it, so pop on your website or advertizing blurb what sort of length and girth you are comfortable with.

I think you'll find if you just make discrimination untenable across the board, those people who have have genuine concerns with some other issue, will find other solutions to the problem without having to blacklist entire races.

Whilst I am in all other instances completely behind the notion that women have the right to do whatever they want with whomever they want with regards thier bodies. I think a WG who commercializes an aspect of herself has to abide by the same sorts of strictures with regards to behavior towards race that operates in any other service industry.

Yet as one final thought, I think if there was some trully racist WG who say required every potential client to fill in a form honestly that included several questions of which race was one, but was diplomatic enough to ensure that no one really ever came away feeling they were rejected on grounds of race is a whole lot better than just out and out saying "no (insert race here) please!" The significant thing here is as the OP states is to challenge. In the move towards a society that trully does not discriminate we have to create the impression is not desirable in any form, and perhaps maybe oneday it trully will be a thing of the past.

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The other side of the coin is that prejudices should be challenged, not swept under the carpet or allowed. Such attitudes can be counter productive and lead to ill feeling and mutual distrust.

From a purely practical point of view, what do you advocate should be done in the following cases :-

1. A prostitute states (on a website for example) that [ insert colour/race/creed/age/physical attributes/political persuasion etc. ] punters will be refused an appointment.

2. A punter turns up for an appointment and is refused on the grounds of [ insert colour/race/creed/age/physical attributes/political persuasion etc. ].

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I intend going to this establishment dressed as one of the black and white minstrels warbling " mammy, mammy .. how I luv ya, how I luv ya ... ".

That'll sort em out !

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A few weeks ago I read a thread on this matter that was abruptly closed, rather sheepishly imho following a request to do so by a postee who opened a can of worms with his views. I believe prejudices and stereotypes should be challenged. I also wanted to know what was the general consensus

The thread in question was started by a black punter, who was told at a Thai establishment that the girls dont see niggers. He asked if there were any thai places that are not racist? One guy replied saying the black guy made a racist slur against thai people, and was over sensitive because he failed to realise it was a preference not a personal slight. He went on to say that in Japan, for example some bars do not let in westerners because of the culture differences and don't want to cause offence/embarrassment etc. So whites get it as well he reasoned! To top it up he asked the mods to close the thread after he made his rant, and sheepily it was.

What a load of tosh.. He failed to see the use of the n word is the biggest insult one could use and it makes clear it was a racist reason not personal choice or preference. I don't think someone should be allowed to make such vindictive post and then asked for the thread to be closed. In other words only his views on the matter count? The mods sould have rebuked him, In fact a mod could have removed his post because it made no help whatsoever in the discussion. Prejudices biases etc should be challenged and not justified or defended on naive or ridiculous grounds.

To compare drinking in a japanese bar to a sex service provider is utter nonsense. If a service provider in the UK said no whites, purely on skin colour grounds, (or they feared they could be paedophiles or sex offenders, since the majority tend to be white) I could only imagine the reaction!

Back in the 50s/60s it was common for landlords to put up signs 'no blacks'. They used the same argument as the rant used in the thread. Not racist just preferences, people prefer being with their own. However if someone put up a sign saying 'no whites', (even if they were British citizens) hell would break out. The windows would be broken and they would be set upon by a baying mob. Also the police would find some way of arresting them.

This is controversial point since some black WGs dont see black men either

Racial profiling, (or discrimination) though unfortunate is a fact of life in this trade, since it is an intimate service? This is rubbish because, if WGs are robbed or assaulted by white clients they do not issue blanket bans against white men, in the same way they do with black clients. Also claiming it is an intimitate service hence choice, is a bit hypocritical since the WG is 'selling herself' anyway. I dont think it makes her 'better' because she does not go with blacks, or any other racial group

The other side of the coin is that prejudices should be challenged, not swept under the carpet or allowed. Such attitudes can be counter productive and lead to ill feeling and mutual distrust. As well as politically embarrassing which is why most countries (and also Japan as mentioned above) outlaw blatant segregation style discrimination. It wont make you popular abroad!

one slight point - the reporter did not claim that he was called the N word. He said the text he received from the agency said "no blacks". So your point about the use of the N word being proof of intent is incorrect. It's YOU (and others) who've used that word - not the agency.

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So is it ok to refuse clients on colour grounds?

Yes its ok for an escort to refuse to see someone on colour grounds, whether they are pink, black, brown, or any other colour, or on race grounds, or because they are too big or too small, or too old or too young, or too bald or too hairy, or too intelligent or too stupid, or too rich or too poor, or too ill mannered or too polite or for any other reason.

Get over it.

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So is it ok to refuse clients on colour grounds?

Yes its ok for an escort to refuse to see someone on colour grounds, whether they are pink, black, brown, or any other colour, or on race grounds, or because they are too big or too small, or too old or too young, or too bald or too hairy, or too intelligent or too stupid, or too rich or too poor, or too ill mannered or too polite or for any other reason.

Get over it.

And more to the point, would you actually want to be having sex with someone who really doesn't want to be having it with you?

B

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I intend going to this establishment dressed as one of the black and white minstrels warbling " mammy, mammy .. how I luv ya, how I luv ya ... ".

That'll sort em out !

ROFL! Love it!

Someone up there said they don't see black gents cos they are [too] big. Really? I always thought that was a myth... :D:cool:

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Well if you are a Thai girl used to seeing Thai men, even a white European is scary enough a Black guy could be way too painful especially if he is rough as well and demands anal after demolishing your poor little pussy :cool:

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I think this is a really sensitive area.

I do think anyone who says they won't see someone because of their skin type, be it white, black or indian is rather narrow minded. Skin colour doesn't determine the person.

However, I do appreciate escorting is a very personal area for the ladies and they shouldn't be in scenarios they don't wish to be in and no one can see the experiences of a lady in the past. I'm sure ladies refuse guys for all sorts of reasons, I saw one lady say she wouldn't see a virgin for example, well you have to just move on.

As a white guy if I saw any escort or establishment refuse people simply on the basis of skin colour, I would not wish to visit or see that person as my own views don't align with that.

However, beyond controlling you own actions as to your beliefs there is no right or wrong answer to this issue.

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............ I believe prejudices and stereotypes should be challenged.

While personal preferences and choice are sacrosanct in a free thinking democratic society and should not be challenged

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And please spare a thought for those poor inter galactic WGs who must have to cope with so many beings of completely different species.

Just imagine how smelly some of them are. And having to have sex for a month non stop, and coping with a being with many, many penises all erect and determined to find a hole.

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