Helen Jones

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

In these times of the credit crunch and national austerity measures, do some WG's who find it difficult to find work, not speak out honestly, or defend and "butter up" client types with the hope not rocking the boat, or indeed rocking the boat in their favour with a bit of flattery or ego massaging with work in mind?

Do you think the client has an advantage and in that he can say almost anything, have an opinion on almost anything, and state it clearly, whereas some Wg's are disadvantaged by lack of work and will not want to upset any prospective client lest she believes she may lose precious work, and will in fact say what she thinks the client might want to hear in order to endear herself to that particular client or type of client in the hope she may get some or get further work.

Is it touting or just good business sense when things are tight.

Do you guys ever feel outrageously manipulated?

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NO! I never (contrary to popular belief) post anything thinking that it will result in work. I read the thread and if it provokes a reaction, then I will add my feelings irrespective of if it will be deemed to be a popular or unpopular opinion.

I have of course occassionally regretted having posted my gut reaction, as they have often provoked negative responses and I do naturally want to be liked, but that has nothing to do with wanting to get work.

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There's a number of girls on here who I would choose to avoid if I had the opportunity to make a booking with them.

I find the forum quite depressing in a way actually, there seems to be a lot of hatred/resentment/anger towards us punters, strengthening the belief that the girls are in it for the money, not for the love of it... which we all know is true in a lot of cases, but we obviously like to seek out the girls which at least do a good job of pretending that they love the cock a bit too much! :eek:

You're not all like that, but there's certainly a few who come across that way in the majority of their posts. And for that reason, I'm out.

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I like to see peoples honest opinions, and i always say what i think. This is not a forum for saying what you think others want to hear. In the short time i have been a member, i have punted with two voiciferous members on here, whose opinions might not be the same as mine, and i have had great fun.

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I have of course occassionally regretted having posted my gut reaction, as they have often provoked negative responses and I do naturally want to be liked, but that has nothing to do with wanting to get work.

That made me smile. I think we have all done that :eek:

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I've stopped taking as much interest in Pnet as I used to take it all too personally, got drawn into arguments and spats etc. The reason I don't get so involved in my posting is more to do with personal happiness, than any financial gain.

Besides these days I have more interesting things to do than arguing the toss on a forum!!!:eek:

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there seems to be a lot of hatred/resentment/anger towards us punters,

Isn't having an opinion and standing up and stating it - without malice or prejudice often mistaken for hatred/resentment/anger toward the recipient?

So you believe a prostitute should be seen and not heard....or at least if she is heard, it should be manipulation and lies.

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

From what I have gleaned over the years the general state of play is that little (1% - 2%) if any business comes from PNMB posters, so excluding the odd exception I don't see that what is posted makes the slightest difference, therefore I have to believe that what I see posted are true opinions.

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If people, male, and female, cannot express their views, freely, without being villified, what is the point of being a member. Freedom of expressionis sacrosact, or should be.

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A WG once said to me, "Punters should be seen and not heard" :eek:

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From what I have gleaned over the years the general state of play is that little (1% - 2%) if any business comes from PNMB posters, so excluding the odd exception I don't see that what is posted makes the slightest difference, therefore I have to believe that what I see posted are true opinions.

Accepted from your POV, and in a personal capacity I'd say its a lot less than 1%. We should also note some members do not have the luxury of years of gleaning, nor the acceptance that message boards are not the fountain of clients they believe them to be.

Some people do believe Message boards are important and I'm gussing the ladies with low or nil seach engine placement rely on message boards of all persuasions for their majority of exposure.

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I would prefer the ladies to be as frank as possible because in that way you can maybe get an idea of their personalities/attitudes. There are a couple of posters on here that I don't like the "sound" of. Not because they give honest opinions but due to the way they "come across".

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Besides these days I have more interesting things to do than arguing the toss on a forum!!!:eek:

It is also a constant source of amazement to me how much time some posters can spend on here arguing with someone they have never met before. As can be seen with current events, feelings seem to run high about prostitution message boards. For me they are simply a place to come and have some fun and keep current with the industry. Anything more isn't worth the effort.

To the OPs question, it obvious that some girls treat the pnet message board as a marketing tool. Some however, don't give a rats ass. It's fairly obvious one way or the other (usually) and the odd bit of touting doesn't bother me in the slightest. I can self edit while I am reading :eek:.

I do understand why the forum has the rules it does against touting (otherwise the whole board would become one huge advertising medium). I don't however understand how some people can get so wound up by the odd cheeky tout.

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Isn't having an opinion and standing up and stating it - without malice or prejudice often mistaken for hatred/resentment/anger toward the recipient?

So you believe a prostitute should be seen and not heard....or at least if she is heard, it should be manipulation and lies.

That's not what I said, not in the slightest. You're manipulating my words :eek:

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From what I have gleaned over the years the general state of play is that little (1% - 2%) if any business comes from PNMB posters, so excluding the odd exception I don't see that what is posted makes the slightest difference, therefore I have to believe that what I see posted are true opinions.

No dispute of the figures SaS / Helen, but go to the FR's and tot-up all that business - then imagine what percentage of business from readers (as opposed to posters) that that might represent.

I've yet to post a FR and possibly never will, but I've read the site on/off for years and enjoy reasonably regular assignations as well as the occasional OTT overdose.

I have made appointments on the strength of a WG posts here - and I have also been definitely put-off by reading posts too. I like intelligent, articulate and characterful people and am attracted to the same traits in WG's. I expect it's the same for most people, right? Lapses of judgment, depending on their nature and frequency, have the opposite effect.

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but go to the FR's and tot-up all that business - then imagine what percentage of business from readers (as opposed to posters) that that might represent.

Yes, that is the other side of the coin, however another thing I have gleaned is the many quotes along the lines of "Most/the vast majority/nearly all of my punters have never heard of Punternet, and those that have didn't know that there was a message board", mind you that was prior to the HH PR campaign so that might have changed, but I doubt that it would have been a dramatic change. BTW it would be nice to have a clue as to how much of the prostitution trade the FRs actually represent, pretty small I would guess, but who knows.

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Yes, that is the other side of the coin, however another thing I have gleaned is the many quotes along the lines of "Most/the vast majority/nearly all of my punters have never heard of Punternet, and those that have didn't know that there was a message board", mind you that was prior to the HH PR campaign so that might have changed, but I doubt that it would have been a dramatic change. BTW it would be nice to have a clue as to how much of the prostitution trade the FRs actually represent, pretty small I would guess, but who knows.

Personally whenever I've been asked "Do you know AWk / PN?" - which is reasonably often (perhaps in 1 in 3 new visits), I usually put on my best blank look (not hard for me). So, you can't take much at face value.

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

In these times of the credit crunch and national austerity measures, do some WG's who find it difficult to find work, not speak out honestly, or defend and "butter up" client types with the hope not rocking the boat, or indeed rocking the boat in their favour with a bit of flattery or ego massaging with work in mind?

Do you think the client has an advantage and in that he can say almost anything, have an opinion on almost anything, and state it clearly, whereas some Wg's are disadvantaged by lack of work and will not want to upset any prospective client lest she believes she may lose precious work, and will in fact say what she thinks the client might want to hear in order to endear herself to that particular client or type of client in the hope she may get some or get further work.

Is it touting or just good business sense when things are tight.

Do you guys ever feel outrageously manipulated?

Hard times? Most will deny they are having one.

So long as folk articulate their point from reason rather than emotional zeal there should be no issue with its affecting their prospective business. That said, the contentious nature of some topics can reveal too much info about its author's personal feelings and I suppose this could cast them in a different light and indeed has (two or three come to mind). Nonetheless, I respect these opinions and their (often) glib content.

Not wishing to be too cynical but ambiguity of 'the tout' as it were, will always be an issue where you have SPs and SUs sharing the same territory and any frequent and over friendly interactions, subtle as they may be, from WGs are bound to raise an eybrow from all but the most naive of punters. I don't feel this is necessarily a bad thing as I'm sure some punters relish a pre punt stroking of their egos.

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gosh no what you see is what you get with me I like all others have opinions on matters which I choose sometimes the post here I am not going to change those in the hope someone or thought that it may put a prospective client off.

If someone has a problem with my views so be it that is their choice as it is their choice on what effects their decision to see a particular wg or not.

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A WG once said to me, "Punters should be seen and not heard" :eek:

I think they should be obscene and not heard.

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I think they should be obscene and not heard.

Don't shoot the messenger :eek:

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

In these times of the credit crunch and national austerity measures, do some WG's who find it difficult to find work, not speak out honestly, or defend and "butter up" client types with the hope not rocking the boat, or indeed rocking the boat in their favour with a bit of flattery or ego massaging with work in mind?

Do you think the client has an advantage and in that he can say almost anything, have an opinion on almost anything, and state it clearly, whereas some Wg's are disadvantaged by lack of work and will not want to upset any prospective client lest she believes she may lose precious work, and will in fact say what she thinks the client might want to hear in order to endear herself to that particular client or type of client in the hope she may get some or get further work.

Is it touting or just good business sense when things are tight.

Do you guys ever feel outrageously manipulated?

I always give an honest post, they are never long but to the point. If I disagree with what someone is saying I would say so. I have just come back into escorting after a 3 year break and have noticed the difference, things are definitely a lot quieter. But that wont make me post any different.

Shelly

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

In these times of the credit crunch and national austerity measures, do some WG's who find it difficult to find work, not speak out honestly, or defend and "butter up" client types with the hope not rocking the boat, or indeed rocking the boat in their favour with a bit of flattery or ego massaging with work in mind?

Do you think the client has an advantage and in that he can say almost anything, have an opinion on almost anything, and state it clearly, whereas some Wg's are disadvantaged by lack of work and will not want to upset any prospective client lest she believes she may lose precious work, and will in fact say what she thinks the client might want to hear in order to endear herself to that particular client or type of client in the hope she may get some or get further work.

Is it touting or just good business sense when things are tight.

Do you guys ever feel outrageously manipulated?

Excellent,excellent thread Helen.

Yes, I believe I have a huge advantage in posting how I want. Having said that, I think I like most male posters post in a way that reflects who we are in civvy street ( albeit you also get our inner secrets here :( ) and therefore are anxious to protect the central integrity of our board personas in the same way as we might do so on civvy street. I hold some probably outrageous opinions and likes/dislikes which I have to keep to myself here as I do on civvy street.:eek:

I dont follow Big Brother but I understand that there once the participants have been in the house and on camera for a few days, the guards come down and they revert to being the people they really are on civvy street. In the same way, I guess members who post here very regularly tend to let their guard down and their posts do accurately reflect their real views.

I dislike when I read what I consider to be flirty, fluffy, flashy eyes type posting from WGs --- it is a real turn off for me and I particularly dislike reading the cuckoo stuff passing every now and again between 2 members who had punted together.Fortunately, I dont think we see too much of this stuff so no as a punter, I dont feel constantly manipulated.

Touting -- Funny enough I would find myself drawn to posters who post with what I would see as a complete disregard for posting what one would normally

consider to be touting talk -- girly, fluffy stuff. I dont like nastiness or a willingness to hurt but people who have real opinions and like to voice them on the board, I would guess make warm and good company on a punt.

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of work with clientelle from Pnet stifle true female opinions on this board.

In these times of the credit crunch and national austerity measures, do some WG's who find it difficult to find work, not speak out honestly, or defend and "butter up" client types with the hope not rocking the boat, or indeed rocking the boat in their favour with a bit of flattery or ego massaging with work in mind?

Do you think the client has an advantage and in that he can say almost anything, have an opinion on almost anything, and state it clearly, whereas some Wg's are disadvantaged by lack of work and will not want to upset any prospective client lest she believes she may lose precious work, and will in fact say what she thinks the client might want to hear in order to endear herself to that particular client or type of client in the hope she may get some or get further work.

Is it touting or just good business sense when things are tight.

Do you guys ever feel outrageously manipulated?

In short... Yes but not in the way that it is put...

I don't want to over rock the boat so in those cases I just won't post, but not because I want to attract the PN posters, But as with anything I am available in the main stream, I have a phone number and e-mail etc on view...

So I can be found and contacted.

I have already had one PN member that I had a run in with who send me vile messages, nasty phone-calls, I even had male friends answer the phone, but that didn't help. I called the police, had his number blocked, which he changed. He managed to get hold of my real name, turned up at my work, and my mothers house (so glad I was out the closet as that could have been rather nasty) I've had my landline cut and not replaced because of one pig headed individual on this board.

So in that respect I will tailor what I say to a degree, because I really can't be bothered with the crap that can and does happen.

This board can and does get too serious at times and at the end of they day I have a life outside of my profession, and would like to keep it that way.

So yes I do think before I reply and yes I do tailor what I say, but not because I want to attract Clients, but because I don't want a repeat of what has already happened.

I do feel that the males of this board have more free reign on what they say and can say, because thier details are not freely available to all.

But that is how it works so... I guess like most I just suck it up and deal with it regardless of how anyone views me.

I can't change perception, I can only be who I am, and that is all I will ever be irrespective of what others think.

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I do think it is business sense for many ladies probably not to be totally honest with us guys.

I'm not saying the ladies who post even, or that any posters are lying, but some maybe choose not to get involved in conversations not because they don't have a view, but because they don't want the argument or their reputation damaged.

I guess I'm saying many people read the threads and don't post a reply for this sort of reason. Then there are issues over confidentiality etc as you would expect a professional to observe.

And I think the guys can be as guilty as the ladies no doubt.

I have found someone like DivineMK's posts refreshing. Maybe not what I always want to read, but a valid view all the same.

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