BikerInBlack

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In today's Burton Mail:

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/140-an-hour-escort-service.htm

Meanwhile, in other news...

Pope found to be Catholic...

Bear found defecating in woods...

:(:):eek:

Last night, the Mail contacted Katie Kiss again to discuss the findings of its investigation but she slammed down the phone.

Looks as though Ms Kiss is quite experienced in dealing with time-wasters.

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And a follow up piece of yellow journalist.

Tried to posted this comment, lets see if it gets censored.

She is not doing anything illegal, prostitution in private is LEGAL in the UK, but you place her at risk through with this story, which has no public interest and just plays into the hands of prurience with your yellow journalism.

I wonder if they accept adverts from escorts? And can have their hypocrisy exposed like the Croydon Advertiser and Hull Daily Mail.

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Tried to posted this comment, lets see if it gets censored.

"She is not doing anything illegal, prostitution in private is LEGAL in the UK, but you place her at risk through with this story, which has no public interest and just plays into the hands of prurience with your yellow journalism."

She is, because she is keeping or managing a brothel ( section 33A SOA1956).

She has 5 or 6 girls working there. It also sounds as though the neighbours are unhappy.

Time to move on perhaps.

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No, read the story more carefully.

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Argh, posted not previewed.

She could arrange that. Those other girls where obviously not there when he visited otherwise he would have stated that explicitly rather than just implying it.

Also on her page on the other site looks like an independent escort not a brothel.

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Quick question;

How do chaps on here feel about the way neighbours fear for their safety?That implies that men who visit such ladies are a danger to society.

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It's like the rest of the story concocted negative stereotypes, like all whores are druggies, all men are rapists and all speeders run over children.

When you can afford £140ph the only danger comes from being an unrepentant capitalist. :eek:

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She could arrange that. Those other girls where obviously not there when he visited otherwise he would have stated that explicitly rather than just implying it.

Also on her page on the other site looks like an independent escort not a brothel.

I understand what you're saying but if you look to the right of the article there are 2 others including one titled " Residents' fears for children" which include the following quotes:

"Friday nights are the worst as there seem to almost be a sex party going on."

"I think it is a sin what those women are up to in that flat and the way they just flaunt themselves make me sick."

"Nobody really noticed at first but then a blonde with green eyes and a slim figure kept making regular appearances - as did a woman with black hair."

"At first I thought they had moved in and were flat sharing - but then I started to see different men starting to appear."

If that's true then I reckon there must be some presumption that this is a brothel.

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Quick question;

How do chaps on here feel about the way neighbours fear for their safety?That implies that men who visit such ladies are a danger to society.

It's nonsense of course but I'd probably say the same, and a lot more besides, if a nuisance brothel opened up next door.

It's been a long time since I lived in a flat and had noisy neighbours but I can honestly say that I would have no problems if a discreet escort was working from an apartment block/flat complex in which I lived. My experience of visiting such escorts in the past has been that these girls have almost without exception been very discreet, quiet and considerate - ie. what I would consider to be a good neighbour.

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I missed those other parts, obviously a big story for this two bit small time paper. Any way here is another comment I posted in response to the letter article.

When are you going to expose the authors of this vicious poison pen letter. It's pretty obvious from their comments they are religious bigots and we all know the sort of risk those types pose to children.

Lets hope the editor is smart enough to get irony.

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If that's true then I reckon there must be some presumption that this is a brothel.

A little bit more than a presumption IMHO :-

The newspaper was alerted by worried neighbours concerned at the volume of men visiting No 41, St Paul's Place in Station Court.

We found it to be the base for blondehaired 33-year-old Katie Kiss, who told our reporter: "I have five or six girls who work from this place.

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Quick question;

How do chaps on here feel about the way neighbours fear for their safety?That implies that men who visit such ladies are a danger to society.

Given the way prostitution is portrayed in the media and by many politicians, and the general perception/misconceptions surrounding prostitution it's to be expected.

I don't think you can't blame people for feeling like they do out of ignorance.

OTOH, I am ambivalent (which is perhaps putting it mildly) about brothels in residential areas such as in this particular case.

B

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Argh, posted not previewed.

She could arrange that. Those other girls where obviously not there when he visited otherwise he would have stated that explicitly rather than just implying it.

Also on her page on the other site looks like an independent escort not a brothel.

It doesn't matter if they're there at the time. If there's 5 or 6 other girls working out of the same flat then it's a brothel, which IS illegal.

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It doesn't matter if they're there at the time. If there's 5 or 6 other girls working out of the same flat then it's a brothel, which IS illegal.

are you a policeman ?

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are you a policeman ?

Most likely someone who can use Google, which leads even the laziest here.

B

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If there's 5 or 6 other girls working out of the same flat then it's a brothel, which IS illegal.

English law in this area is a dog's breakfast! (I'm not saying Scottish law is any better.)

A brothel is NOT illegal! It is a thing, or, if you will, a place, and places are neither legal nor illegal!

Go here: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prostitution_and_exploitation_of_prostitution/

"A brothel is defined as "a place where people of opposite sexes (but see paragraph below) are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether the women are common prostitutes or not". It is not essential to show that the premises are in fact used for the purposes of prostitution (which involves payment for services rendered); a brothel exists where women offer sexual intercourse without charging. (Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549)"

The following are summary offences under the Sexual Offences Act 1956:

* Section 33, keeping a brothel;

* Section 34, a landlord letting premises for use as a brothel;

* Section 35, a tenant permitting premises to be used as a brothel.

* Section 36, a tenant permitting premises to be used for prostitution.

The hope (distant hope, perhaps) is that a brave Madam with a very rich sugar daddy behind her (Hey, there, SashaB!!) will take that 80 year old definition and appeal it, hoping for brave judges to hold that the times they are a'changing and that it no longer fits in our modern society.

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A little bit more than a presumption IMHO :-

Whilst its says 5 or 6, it does not say they were all working at the same time. I expect there was one girl on at a time - can't see anything wrong with that?

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I would love to know how the paper know that the reported did decline sex then leave. He must probabley got his end away, had a better time than being at home with his dull wife, then told his boss he was offered sex but he declined, lol.

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Whilst its says 5 or 6, it does not say they were all working at the same time. I expect there was one girl on at a time - can't see anything wrong with that?

Extract from the CPS website, Keeping a brothel :-

Premises only become a brothel when more than one woman uses premises for the purposes of prostitution, either simultaneously or one at a time (Stevens v Christy [1987] Cr. App. R. 249, DC). This implies that if two women are present, both must be there for the purposes of prostitution. In circumstances where prostitutes are working individually out of one flat but there is a rotation of occupants and the young women are moved on a regular basis; i.e. sole occupancy and a rotation of sole occupants, it does constitute a brothel.

Which means that if Anal Annie works from 23 Acacia Avenue and only Anal Annie works from 23 Acacia Avenue then 23 Acacia Avenue is not a brothel, If Anal Annie and Oral Olive both work from 23 Acacia Avenue at the same time (parallel) then 23 Acacia Avenue is a brothel, if Anal Annie and Oral Olive work from 23 Acacia Avenue on alternate days (series), for example, then 23 Acacia Avenue is a brothel.

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Whilst its says 5 or 6, it does not say they were all working at the same time. I expect there was one girl on at a time - can't see anything wrong with that?

I can't see anything wrong with that either.

Nevertheless in law it's still a brothel. Even if the girls work at the premises different days, and never at the same time, it's still a brothel.

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After remembering how it was when I lived in a block of flats full of young students having parties all night (and I never got invited ;)) I would rather have had a lady working there who carried out her trade at a time when I was/ wanted to stay awake and not go to sleep :(.

A working girl with consideration for her neighbours would have been very welcome (handy too :))

BaZ

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In the comments section below Becky says:

Gary, do you think she pays any tax or National Insurance? Anyway, its funny how the women are the ones made to look bad. They wouldn't even be doing it if it wasn't for men! Double standards again.

So there you have it, it's all the men's fault.;)

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I've been in there 5 or 6 times (though not Katie) and with hindsight guess I contributed slightly to the problem.

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We know the hysteria is unwarranted and at the end of the day the most important thing is that Katie does not suffer because of this media frenzy.

It's a crazy, double standards society we live in.

BP

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Is she looking for new premises or is she gonna stick it out and risk a war with neighbours?

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