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AIDS and WG's

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my questions will seem really basic for a lot of you, but I am sure they are far from dumb....

as far as I know , the HIV virus can spread from any bodily fluids of an infected person, to any bodily fluids to another person.

here I'd like to list cases where I think HIV will spread from one infected woman to an healthy man. Are all of them correct ? :

1. Sweat to saliva: from the sweat of an infected woman to the saliva of a man ? For example, you are kissing her neck and she's sweaty because it's July or whatever.....

2. by unprotected anal sex.....the 'anal fluid' (can't remember how it's called) of the infected woman comes into contact with the pre-cum of an healthy man

3. saliva to blood : an healthy man is kissing an infected woman and the saliva of the infected woman comes into contact with the blood of the healthy man, for example because the man has microscopic cuts on the gums, that he's not even aware of. Or, the blood from the microscopic cuts of an infected woman, comes into contact with the saliva of the healthy man.

3. saliva to saliva , if the WG is infected ?

4. cum to saliva ? I mean, all the WG's that do CIM , how do they know for sure that the male is healthy?

Or viceversa, if an healthy male CIM's a WG and she's infected, will she infect the male as well ?

5. vaginal fluids to saliva. The WG is infected, , so if a man licks her pussy, will he not get infected ?

if all the above is correct, then it seems to me that licking pussy , unprotected anal sex, or even kissing her mouth to mouth, seems very very risky.....am I correct ?

I am just trying to understand all I can do with a WG, but safely. I don't know much about all that, so I thought I would ask.

thanks ;)

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Personally, I am deeply, deeply offended by the implication in your posts that

a) Lots of WG's carry the HIV virus; and

;) It could only be the man who is at risk, never that he could be the carrier!!

Now, judging from your other posts, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt as you clearly state you are inexperienced.

Wear a condom.

And think before you type.

The HIV virus cannot be transferred through perspiration. It is possible to transfer it from saliva to an open cut but extremely unlikely. It cannot be transferred by saliva to saliva.

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND.

You have the entire wealth of the internet at your fingertips - use it to educate yourself.

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Only way you can catch HIV from oral is if you have any open cuts in your mouth such as from sores...the virus has to get into your bloodstream. Oral sex carries a much lower risk of infection than unprotected vaginal or anal sex.

Unprotected sex, whether vaginal or anal will transmit the virus.

Kissing will NOT transmit the virus.

For more information please see:

http://www.avert.org/can-you-get-hiv-aids.htm

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I never go down on a WG as much as I'd like to for the aids risk. Use a condom and from what I know the risk is very low.

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*Sighs*

Go to any swinger site. Look how many prefer bareback sex - some even insist on it.

Have a look at the incidences of unprotected sex in the population. One night stands.

Read on gay contact sites how many married men are secretly bi sexual and practicing unsafe sexual acts.

Read how many onlone prostitutes demand sex to be safe and wouldnt consider having sex without a condom, and who have regular checkups. Women who care about their sexual health.

Work out who is more dangerous. The escort that only has protected sex, or the stupid girls who fuck strangers they pick up in nightclubs each weekend, or the seemingly straight laced swinging couples who love cum play .

Try to look above the hype and stereotyping. The general population is far more dangerous STD wise than the majority of online escorts.

Finally go out and find an escort and enjoy yourself. Its just possible your sister/mother/wife/girlfriend is more at risk than many prostitutes.

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That is one way of getting anyones back up.....you should read and do your research before you post. ;)

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the 'anal fluid' (can't remember how it's called)

Shit?  ‏  ‏  ‏  

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*Sighs*

Work out who is more dangerous. The escort that only has protected sex, or the stupid girls who fuck strangers they pick up in nightclubs each weekend, or the seemingly straight laced swinging couples who love cum play .

Try to look above the hype and stereotyping. The general population is far more dangerous STD wise than the majority of online escorts.

I never caught and STD from a WG but I have from normal nightclub pulls. Make of that what you will.

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the 'anal fluid' (can't remember how it's called)
Shit?  ‏  ‏  ‏  

Might I suggest a little more fibre in your diet if you're this loose...;)

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Slightly O/T, but did others see recent reports about rise in STDs in late forties/early fifties? Having gone from punting back into dating scene, can vouch there's a lot of action about. WGs least of problems...

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Personally, I am deeply, deeply offended by the implication in your posts that

a) Lots of WG's carry the HIV virus; and

;) It could only be the man who is at risk, never that he could be the carrier!!

Now, judging from your other posts, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt as you clearly state you are inexperienced.

Wear a condom.

And think before you type.

The HIV virus cannot be transferred through perspiration. It is possible to transfer it from saliva to an open cut but extremely unlikely. It cannot be transferred by saliva to saliva.

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND.

You have the entire wealth of the internet at your fingertips - use it to educate yourself.

personally, I am really, really surprised by your response. You might think that I am dumb, but I assure you that I am not, that I use Google a gazillion times a day, that I have done so for about 8 years now, that I have used it to find out about my questions here and found only basic information, beside the mind-bogglingly long article on Wikipedia, which is not what I have been looking for.

And lastly, I am far more educated that your superficial 3 seconds-judgement might believe.

I have also never implied that lots of WG's carry the HIV, maybe I didn't write very clearly, what I implied is , considering that they see thousands of different men during their 'career',

and considering that they offer many types of services for money, that it would be a very good idea, to say the least, to get to know what I am doing. You can hardly blame me for being very careful, and yes, even suspicious.

Hopefully that fear will become more rational once I know what I am doing, which is way I am here.

Thank you for your understanding.

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The HIV virus cannot be transferred through perspiration. It is possible to transfer it from saliva to an open cut but extremely unlikely. It cannot be transferred by saliva to saliva.

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND.

You have the entire wealth of the internet at your fingertips - use it to educate yourself.

by the way, thank you for the info. Can't say the same about your other condescending statements, but I'll trust that this was only a misunderstanding arising by a very personal interpretation of what I wrote.

I will try to express my ideas more clearly from now on.

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Work out who is more dangerous. The escort that only has protected sex, or the stupid girls who fuck strangers they pick up in nightclubs each weekend, or the seemingly straight laced swinging couples who love cum play .

Try to look above the hype and stereotyping. The general population is far more dangerous STD wise than the majority of online escorts.

Finally go out and find an escort and enjoy yourself. Its just possible your sister/mother/wife/girlfriend is more at risk than many prostitutes.

I see your point. My intention is to see WG's for a while at least, even if I'll have some girlfriends. I just want to, how can I say this in a better way, minimize every risk as much as possible.

I meant no offense to escorts, whatsoever. On the contrary, I think I am an open-minded person who doesn't really go for stereotypes. It's just that I have read a few horror stories, so naturally, they have influenced my judgement. That's why I am here, to find out how can I minimize risks, not to judge anybody in any ways.

Thank you.

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Claire, let me try to explain myself better......

my problem is not the WG's. And of course the man can be the carrier, at least I knew that much....

My problem is that this f***ing disease can be spread in the most insidious ways, I have found out only recently that it can be spread even through -microscopic- cuts in the gums.

Microscopic cuts?

Sounds really, really scary.

I used to suffer from bleeding gums, now I have sorted that problem, but I didn't look at my gums with a microscope.

I am a virgin, the WG's saw thousands of men.....who's more at risk ?

I didn't mean that WG's are like a walking bag of diseases and that I might necessarily be a sort of sterilized angel that has fallen from the sky ;) just that I am terrified of how the disease spreads, not of the WG's.

Sorry about my ignorance in this matter.

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I never go down on a WG as much as I'd like to for the aids risk. Use a condom and from what I know the risk is very low.

make sense, man. I will do the same. That means I won't be able to lick my fingers before I stick them in there again, like they do in the movies.....I'll use lube.

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most ignorant post ever.

I think I can say the same thing for your reply. At least I don't write ignorant one-liners.

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That is one way of getting anyones back up.....you should read and do your research before you post. ;)

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My problem is that i will be acused of not taking HIV serously but here goes.

i have spent most of the last decade giving Safe sex advice to Drug addicts some of which used to sell sex.

The HIV virus dies very very quickly outside the body, so sweat forget it, it wont happen.

The majority of HIV experts say that kissing is safe as is giving ladies oral sex.

Some people argue that oral without condoms, that is man getting it sucked by a woman can be dangerous because of the gaps between the teeth when he comes. Others say yes but the risk is so low that its not worth worrying about.

kissing, french is safe.

Swallowing come is safe from HIV but not STD. (most think this)

Anal is never safe without protection man/woman man/man.

Hetrosexual intercourse is never safe without condoms although it is not as dangerous as anal due to blood being less chance of being present.

i have to say that alot of nonsence is talked about HIV due to the fact that a lot of people make money from scaring people with it ie if you make condoms you are not going to down play the risk are you?

Condoms are very importent for WGs it's their jobs they need protection from us. But i would talk about safe sex in the context of STD's rather thean Aids.

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Shit?  ‏  ‏  ‏  

no, it's called 'anal mucus'. Just so you know.

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The HIV virus dies very very quickly outside the body

Pardon my ignorance:o -- this bit I don't understand . Thanks.

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Claire, let me try to explain myself better......

my problem is not the WG's. And of course the man can be the carrier, at least I knew that much....

My problem is that this f***ing disease can be spread in the most insidious ways, I have found out only recently that it can be spread even through -microscopic- cuts in the gums.

Microscopic cuts?

Sounds really, really scary.

I used to suffer from bleeding gums, now I have sorted that problem, but I didn't look at my gums with a microscope.

I am a virgin, the WG's saw thousands of men.....who's more at risk ?

I didn't mean that WG's are like a walking bag of diseases and that I might necessarily be a sort of sterilized angel that has fallen from the sky ;) just that I am terrified of how the disease spreads, not of the WG's.

Sorry about my ignorance in this matter.

Every one of your hypothetical situations referred to the risk to the healthy man from the infected woman.

In fact, WE are far more at risk from YOU when it comes to the virus being carried in seminal fluid, transferring through cuts in gums etc.

Most of your queries were based on the idea that HIV was transferrable through sweat or saliva. A MOMENT'S searching on the internet would have set you straight on that point.

We , or at least the majority of us, are far more careful about our sexual health that the legions of girlfriends you're hoping to shag once you've got your practice done.

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thank you Davmod, well at least I'll be able to kiss on the neck, the body, etc....

but I am not so sure about kissing being safe.....HIV can spread through even microscopic cuts in the gums, as I wrote before.

How many of you guys here kiss and french-kiss with escorts, I suppose most of you?

I'd like to do that too but now am not too sure...... ;)

bummer....I want to learn to be a master kisser, not just to use my penis.

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Every one of your hypothetical situations referred to the risk to the healthy man from the infected woman.

In fact, WE are far more at risk from YOU when it comes to the virus being carried in seminal fluid, transferring through cuts in gums etc.

Most of your queries were based on the idea that HIV was transferrable through sweat or saliva. A MOMENT'S searching on the internet would have set you straight on that point.

We , or at least the majority of us, are far more careful about our sexual health that the legions of girlfriends you're hoping to shag once you've got your practice done.

sorry, but I don't buy that. How promiscuous is the AVERAGE guy or girl and how promiscuous is the average WG ? Therefore, who's more at risk ?

Yes, a WG might have contracted the disease from a guy, but it's like asking whether the egg or the chicken was born first. Does it matter ?

My point is that I have to protect myself and I am trying to assess risks with WG's. I am not offending anybody.

As for your point about searching on the internet, I don't understand it, I thought that this forum was open to general discussions. Am I wrong ?

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Pardon my ignorance:o -- this bit I don't understand . Thanks.

it means that the virus has to be into a body in order to survive. If it's out of the body, it dies.

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