Helen Jones

Microsoft security essentials.

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What do you think of it? Is it working for you?

I expected it to be the be all and end all of anti virus protection given that its made by the same very clever people who made my O.S. and therefore should know the software inside out BUT............

I may be jumping the gun but during this latest scan of my HD Ive been alerted there may be a virus present and it will give me the details as soon as its finished scanning.

This is after the last full scan which alerted me to several viruses which had got through the "real time " protection.

To me this means the protection isnt actually working and I wondered if anyone else had found M.S.E a bit of a damp squib.

P.S. I'm not downloading anything without a scan and updating M.S.E. twice a week or so.

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Don't use it myself but I do update Windows Defender (built in to Windows 7). I love/trust Avast and MalwareBytes :D

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I've been using MSE for some time. So far it's never found anything, which is either good or bad depending on how much faith you place in it I suppose.

Generally, from the reviews it has a good reputation, but again that depends on how cynical you are. :D

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Things can always slip through, due to new virues always coming out and the time it takes to write and deploy the anti virus updates.

While MSE is a good product, do remember that it is free, so doesn't have all the bells and whistles that other anti virus products offer, such as notifications when applications try and perform certain actions on your machine or a heuristic scanner which tries to identify these new viruses before a formal update has been delivered to your machine.

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As someone who gets paid for this sort of stuff, I LOVE MSE. It's free, has very, very little false positives, and does what it says on the tin. A smart user will easily get by with the default tools and a few free extras that are readily available.

I use Firefox as a browser with AdBlockPlus addin as a browser, Adaware, Spybot & MalWareByte as anti-spyware, and MSE as an AV. All free, and pretty much covers all bases. Firewalls are only required if you hold sensitive data, and frankly, most of us would never becoem a target of people scanning ports, unless you work for a company worth the effort and are known to bring data home (most companies would go through you for this anyway without encryption).

I do know people who use no 'protection' (no pun intended), but they are very VERY aware of the threats. I would never recommend this tbh.

There's still no substitute for smart browsing. Use private browsing for browsing sites you dont want appearing on your logs, and bnever EVER click on something you don't trust.....even if it promises to get your rocks off! Porn is the #1 source of malware on the internet by a huge mile.

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Yup, +1 for MSE.

But if you're running Vista or Windows 7 you can always do yourself a favour and give yourself some extra protection by not running as Admin.

All pretty easy, first account you set up on a Windows PC is the admin (albeit with a lot of safety net protection these days) and any other accounts are just plain regular users. So with my PCs I just create 'Zarniwoop Admin' first and then a plain old 'Zarniwoop' account. Passwords on both and when the PC wants to do a serious adminy thing, it'll ask for the Admin password. Nice & safe & easy.

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I use Norton Internet Security. I buy it on special offer at about £25 for three PCs and use it for a year. I don't renew the AV subscription as it's cheaper to buy a new version every year. As well as the AV it's got a lot of other good stuff and usually comes with Norton Utilities bundled. Norton Utilities has got a tool to completely erase and overwrite stuff which you think has been deleted (including web site history and naughty pictures) but is actually still lurking there and could be seen or recovered by anyone with moderate IT knowledge who gets access to your PC (and yes, it's fairly easy to circumvent user passwords).

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All makes sense. I hear Norton really got their act together over the last year or so after their product was getting bigger & bigger & bigger. I'm kinda less paranoid about my HD getting forensically examined whilst I'm still using my pc. Though I do give them a gdisk wipe or take them to pieces when I'm ready to throw them out.

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I use Norton Internet Security. I buy it on special offer at about £25 for three PCs and use it for a year. I don't renew the AV subscription as it's cheaper to buy a new version every year. As well as the AV it's got a lot of other good stuff and usually comes with Norton Utilities bundled. Norton Utilities has got a tool to completely erase and overwrite stuff which you think has been deleted (including web site history and naughty pictures) but is actually still lurking there and could be seen or recovered by anyone with moderate IT knowledge who gets access to your PC (and yes, it's fairly easy to circumvent user passwords).

Hairy Sub . Thank you for this .

This answers my question on the other thread . How did our family friend locate the malware,virus in the naughty adult site ?????

But this begs the question .Is it complicated for an IT novice to install Norton Security ???

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As someone who gets paid for this sort of stuff, I LOVE MSE. It's free, has very, very little false positives, and does what it says on the tin. A smart user will easily get by with the default tools and a few free extras that are readily available.

I use Firefox as a browser with AdBlockPlus addin as a browser, Adaware, Spybot & MalWareByte as anti-spyware, and MSE as an AV. All free, and pretty much covers all bases. Firewalls are only required if you hold sensitive data, and frankly, most of us would never becoem a target of people scanning ports, unless you work for a company worth the effort and are known to bring data home (most companies would go through you for this anyway without encryption).

I do know people who use no 'protection' (no pun intended), but they are very VERY aware of the threats. I would never recommend this tbh.

There's still no substitute for smart browsing. Use private browsing for browsing sites you dont want appearing on your logs, and bnever EVER click on something you don't trust.....even if it promises to get your rocks off! Porn is the #1 source of malware on the internet by a huge mile.

But a BIg But . How can we tell that a Certain Site is not to be trusted ,ie not to click on it ....,when there are thousands of them ?????.

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But this begs the question .Is it complicated for an IT novice to install Norton Security ???

No, it's easy. You put in the CD and it should start up automatically. You will be prompted to decide what to do and you click on install Norton Internet Security. At some stage you will be prompted to enter the licence key from the package and also to restart. That's it.

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No, it's easy. You put in the CD and it should start up automatically. You will be prompted to decide what to do and you click on install Norton Internet Security. At some stage you will be prompted to enter the licence key from the package and also to restart. That's it.

Once installed ,would it be safe then to click on any site including the sites not to be trusted ????

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Once installed ,would it be safe then to click on any site including the sites not to be trusted ????

Generally, yes. There is always a very small risk that a site has some new malware which Internet Security does not yet recognise (it is automatically updated at least every week) and that that malware is able to exploit a newly discovered vulnerability for which a fix update has not yet been produced (by the way, you should make sure that your windows is set to receive and install updates automatically).

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I use Norton Internet Security. I buy it on special offer at about £25 for three PCs and use it for a year. I don't renew the AV subscription as it's cheaper to buy a new version every year. As well as the AV it's got a lot of other good stuff and usually comes with Norton Utilities bundled. Norton Utilities has got a tool to completely erase and overwrite stuff which you think has been deleted (including web site history and naughty pictures) but is actually still lurking there and could be seen or recovered by anyone with moderate IT knowledge who gets access to your PC (and yes, it's fairly easy to circumvent user passwords).

Many people, myself included, consider Norton to be a nasty piece of malware in its own right as once installed it's almost impossible to remove. :(

There are plenty of other anti virus utilities that are far less pernicious and have a significantly lower hit on system performance. Moreover, the completely free JKDefrag has an option to securely erase disks (best used in combination with JKDefragGUI).

So basically, I wouldn't touch Norton with a bargepole.

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Many people, myself included, consider Norton to be a nasty piece of malware in its own right as once installed it's almost impossible to remove. :(

There are plenty of other anti virus utilities that are far less pernicious and have a significantly lower hit on system performance. Moreover, the completely free JKDefrag has an option to securely erase disks (best used in combination with JKDefragGUI).

So basically, I wouldn't touch Norton with a bargepole.

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Seconded ;)

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I removed Norton as soon as I purchased my laptop -- installed the brilliant Avast instead :(

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Norton is bloatware. AVG seems to going that way as well.

If you really want to spend money on AV software, then go for NOD32. It has a small footprint and it works. What more do you want?

From Wiki:

"Studies in December 2007 have shown that the effectiveness of antivirus software has decreased in recent years, particularly against unknown or zero day attacks. The German computer magazine c't found that detection rates for these threats had dropped from 40-50% in 2006 to 20-30% in 2007. At that time, the only exception was the NOD32 antivirus, which managed a detection rate of 68 percent."

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Many people, myself included, consider Norton to be a nasty piece of malware in its own right as once installed it's almost impossible to remove. :(

There are plenty of other anti virus utilities that are far less pernicious and have a significantly lower hit on system performance. Moreover, the completely free JKDefrag has an option to securely erase disks (best used in combination with JKDefragGUI).

So basically, I wouldn't touch Norton with a bargepole.

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I haven't had any problems with Norton (Internet Security) for a couple of years. It only takes up a very minimal amount of utilisation and gives no problems, even on Vista. I did try, a few years ago, Norton 360 which was a complete disaster (real hit on performance) and would not recommend that to anybody. To anyone who isn't a dedicated PC person it is easier to get one commercial package to do all rather than getting bits and bobs from here and there. Also, as long as you shop around, Norton isn't expensive.

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