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AS heresay evidence is now admissable in courts, does that mean punternet reports can be used in court?

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AS heresay evidence is now admissable in courts, does that mean punternet reports can be used in court?

What are we talking about? Criminal proceedings ? Or civil proceedings, such as divorce cases?

Hearsay has always been admissible in criminal cases in limited circumstances (section 114 CJA 2003, and prior to that under common law rules of evidence and earlier statutes).

I doubt very much that FRs would be admissible. We all know that they are pure fantasy - don't we!

How are you going to prove that an FR posted by Fred2010 (for example) was posted by a particular individual? I doubt very much that Galahad would readily hand over the information. There was a thread about this earlier in the summer.

Don't worry. It's never going to happen.

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What are we talking about? Criminal proceedings ? Or civil proceedings, such as divorce cases?

Hearsay has always been admissible in criminal cases in limited circumstances (section 114 CJA 2003, and prior to that under common law rules of evidence and earlier statutes).

I doubt very much that FRs would be admissible. We all know that they are pure fantasy - don't we!

How are you going to prove that an FR posted by Fred2010 (for example) was posted by a particular individual? I doubt very much that Galahad would readily hand over the information. There was a thread about this earlier in the summer.

Don't worry. It's never going to happen.

What if;

Fred2010 was already identified (by wife) the FR written by him would be more than here say, more a confession :unsure:

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AS heresay evidence is now admissable in courts, does that mean punternet reports can be used in court?

I would imagine that a Punternet Field Report would be given as much credibility as a Blonde Escorts/Acemassage picture.

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Fred2010 was already identified (by wife) the FR written by him would be more than here say, more a confession :unsure:

In divorce proceedings it may well be admissible as evidence of adultery, subject to wife having proof that he actually wrote it.

In many divorces where the ground is adultery the Respondent will actually admit it in the Acknowledgement. If he's unlikely to admit it then better off going with unreasonable behaviour.

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In divorce proceedings it may well be admissible as evidence of adultery, subject to wife having proof that he actually wrote it.

In many divorces where the ground is adultery the Respondent will actually admit it in the Acknowledgement. If he's unlikely to admit it then better off going with unreasonable behaviour.

But how do you prove that an FR authored by bigboy2010 is actually by mr jones of acacia avenue. This site is hosted outside the UK so not subject to UK law so they cant force Galahad to divulge the IP address of the author (If he has recorded it).

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I would imagine that a Punternet Field Report would be given as much credibility as a Blonde Escorts/Acemassage picture.

And I'd guess most of the legal prof is well used to weighing up those!

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What are we talking about? Criminal proceedings ? Or civil proceedings, such as divorce cases?

Hearsay has always been admissible in criminal cases in limited circumstances (section 114 CJA 2003, and prior to that under common law rules of evidence and earlier statutes).

I doubt very much that FRs would be admissible. We all know that they are pure fantasy - don't we!

How are you going to prove that an FR posted by Fred2010 (for example) was posted by a particular individual? I doubt very much that Galahad would readily hand over the information. There was a thread about this earlier in the summer.

Don't worry. It's never going to happen.

My sources tell me that the South Wales Police are using a punternet report or two in their prosecution of Junction 35 formerly at Bridgend

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My sources tell me that the South Wales Police are using a punternet report or two in their prosecution of Junction 35 formerly at Bridgend

The police may well have printed off the FRs and asked the brothel owner(s) for an explanation in a taped interview. It's a very different matter for the CPS to actually introduce them as evidence in a Crown Court trial.

It's not actually difficult for the police to gain enough evidence that premises are being used as a brothel and then link the owner/manager to those premises. Surveillance evidence and evidence from "test purchase" police officers is going to be of far greater value than anonymous FR's.The police will also have seized all the usual paraphernalia associated with brothels, such as condoms,lube, lingerie, whips, cash etc.

Brothels have never been tolerated in Mid-Glamorgan, apart from Mystiques. Don't ask me why that was allowed to operate openly for so long until it was raided in 2006 and Rose was given a 6 month suspended sentence, because I don't know why.

The people who opened at Junction 35 were pretty stupid to start up near Bridgend. All the warning signs were there. They were even more stupid to leave their FR's up. I see that 4 of them are yours. Why have you left them up - especially the one that says "She is 18 looks 15" ?

I really can't see the prosecution introducing the printed FR's in evidence, and even if they did, any half-decent lawyer should be able to get them ruled as inadmissible.

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But how do you prove that an FR authored by bigboy2010 is actually by mr jones of acacia avenue. This site is hosted outside the UK so not subject to UK law so they cant force Galahad to divulge the IP address of the author (If he has recorded it).

My what if was based on the discovery by the wife. say discovering bigboy2010 was her husband.

Many people, regardless of how devious become complacent. Many computers remember passwords to sites. The only site I am physically forced to type in my password is my bank.

With a few simple searches she now knows bigboy2010 wrote 5 FRs which she eagerly cross references the dates against your diary. Trust me the scenario is not that far fetched.

It does lend more weight and reason to authoring your FR's in another nic maybe.

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Brothels have never been tolerated in Mid-Glamorgan, apart from Mystiques. Don't ask me why that was allowed to operate openly for so long until it was raided in 2006 and Rose was given a 6 month suspended sentence, because I don't know why.

The people who opened at Junction 35 were pretty stupid to start up near Bridgend.

Even stupider to locate somewhere quiet enough for significant number of male visitors to be noticeable, but not secluded enough for there to be no-one to notice them.

Heard nothing more since the local newspaper report when they were raided. What is the latest - has it gone to Court?

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Even stupider to locate somewhere quiet enough for significant number of male visitors to be noticeable, but not secluded enough for there to be no-one to notice them.

Heard nothing more since the local newspaper report when they were raided. What is the latest - has it gone to Court?

They received suspended prison sentences because they made an effort to turn up to court in the snow.

A former nurse who ran a brothel with her husband were spared jail yesterday – because a judge was impressed snow had not stopped them attending court.

Christine and Merlyn Morgan ran the brothel on a quiet street in Pencoed, near Bridgend, that was only exposed when suspicious neighbours reported it to police. The couple appeared at Cardiff Crown Court yesterday to be sentenced.

Judge Neil Bidder QC said their effort showed their respect for justice and that was one of the reasons he was going to suspend the nine-month prison terms he imposed on the pair.

“Both of you have come today in very inclement weather and that suggests to me that your remorse is genuine and you do have respect for the law,” he said.

The couple had pleaded guilty to keeping a brothel at Blaen y Fro, Pencoed, between July and November last year.

The court heard the bungalow, where all types of clients including the elderly and the disabled were catered for, was in a quiet, residential road.

Defence barrister Jennet Treharne, said Mr Morgan, 58, had been the prime mover behind the enterprise but it had not been intended as a long-term venture.

The court heard he marketed the venture on the internet while his wife acted as receptionist.

Mrs Morgan, 52, was described as having an excellent work record in the health service up until June 2009 but suffered anxiety and depression and left her job in June 2009.

Custody, said Judge Bidder, would have an adverse effect on her health and the same went for Mr Morgan, who had long-term diabetes and another illness which caused him great pain. The couple now live at Glasllwch, Newport.

The prison terms were suspended for two years as long as Mrs Morgan completes 100 hours’ unpaid community work and her husband abides by a 8pm-7am curfew for six months.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/12/18/brothel-pair-avoid-jail-for-braving-the-snow-91466-27848006/#ixzz18SoJZ1Zr

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The police may well have printed off the FRs and asked the brothel owner(s) for an explanation in a taped interview. It's a very different matter for the CPS to actually introduce them as evidence in a Crown Court trial.

It's not actually difficult for the police to gain enough evidence that premises are being used as a brothel and then link the owner/manager to those premises. Surveillance evidence and evidence from "test purchase" police officers is going to be of far greater value than anonymous FR's.The police will also have seized all the usual paraphernalia associated with brothels, such as condoms,lube, lingerie, whips, cash etc.

Brothels have never been tolerated in Mid-Glamorgan, apart from Mystiques. Don't ask me why that was allowed to operate openly for so long until it was raided in 2006 and Rose was given a 6 month suspended sentence, because I don't know why.

The people who opened at Junction 35 were pretty stupid to start up near Bridgend. All the warning signs were there. They were even more stupid to leave their FR's up. I see that 4 of them are yours. Why have you left them up - especially the one that says "She is 18 looks 15" ?

I really can't see the prosecution introducing the printed FR's in evidence, and even if they did, any half-decent lawyer should be able to get them ruled as inadmissible.

Not very tactful. How was he sure she wasn't 15?

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