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Clients That Look Under 18 Yrs Old?

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I`ve noticed that lately a few new guys to grace my bedroom have looked more like boys than men. I know that the legal age for a client is 18+ and i do always ask for ID if I feel they are too near the borderline. I`ve only ever had one guy who didnt have any and to be honest, he looked about 16 years old, so I told him I couldnt legally or morally allow him my company, gave him an orange squash and sent him on his way. Theres a lot of write ups on underage girls in this job, but what have the girls done when faced with an underage client, how do you approach this? Does it matter to you that the boy might be 16 or 17, because the law states that they can give consent to sexual relations anyway and its all money in the end? Is the 18+ rule for men seeking paid sex enforced? If so how? do they send in underage spies like when they send them into supermarkets to buy alcohol? Has anyone known this to happen? And, what penalties would happen to girl if caught giving services to a minor ?

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...Some guys say they're 18 when they're actually 37 ..!!! ;)

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Is the 18+ rule for men seeking paid sex enforced? If so how? do they send in underage spies like when they send them into supermarkets to buy alcohol? Has anyone known this to happen? And, what penalties would happen to girl if caught giving services to a minor ?

Do you have a link for this rule regarding 18+ seeking paid sex, please?

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Do you have a link for this rule regarding 18+ seeking paid sex, please?

If you don't think there is such a law, why not just say so? She's a hooker, not a lawyer, dammit.

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If you don't think there is such a law, why not just say so? She's a hooker, not a lawyer, dammit.

And I am a Chinese takeaway delivery driver, not a lawyer, and as such I see no reason not to ask for a link to something that the lady is convinced exists. As I read her post it is making a statement and not asking a question, therefore I see no problem in asking for clarification, do you?

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And I am a Chinese takeaway delivery driver, not a lawyer, and as such I see no reason not to ask for a link to something that the lady is convinced exists. As I read her post it is making a statement and not asking a question, therefore I see no problem in asking for clarification, do you?

Your many posts over the years indicate a grasp of the complexities of the law, especially the law regarding prostitution, that would seem surprisingly deep for a humble Chinese takeaway delivery driver. Maybe it would surprise you to know, however, that most people hold a set of beliefs to be true without having memorised Wikipedia links that back up those beliefs. But I think you know that. The problem that I see is that asking for a link to back up someones possible misconception, because you believe them to be mistaken (probably correctly) can come across as somewhat sarcastic.

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Most escorts websites ask for the viewer to be 18 yrs and over and buying or renting pornographic material is also the same age of consent so surely "renting" a womans body must be within the same legalities.

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The problem that I see is that asking for a link to back up someones possible misconception, because you believe them to be mistaken (probably correctly) can come across as somewhat sarcastic.

Let us hope that the problem you describe is limited to just yourself.

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I think it comes under the Everyone knows its so so it must be so Act of 1848.

But it is a moot point and to be fair one we as a society shy away from. An underage boy who is sexually abused is probably seen as a lucky bugger not a victim.

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Most escorts websites ask for the viewer to be 18 yrs and over and buying or renting pornographic material is also the same age of consent so surely "renting" a womans body must be within the same legalities.

I think that you must forget the money aspect entirely, it really is not relevant, it is the nature of goods/services and the age factor that matters (but not necessarily to both parties) in both cases. With all other things being equal, firstly it is legal to both provide and obtain pornographic material. Secondly it is legal to provide and obtain sexual services.

Looking at it from the provider point of view the situation concerning the provision of pornographic material is quite straightforward, with all other things being equal the person trying to obtain the pornographic material is either of a legal age to obtain (this is legally defined) or he/she is not, AFAIK that is the end of the matter for the provider, he/she does not have to take into account any form of consent from the person obtaining the pornographic material. The situation concerning the provision of sexual services is somewhat different, AFAIK, there is no legal restriction regarding age and the obtaining of sexual services so theoretically there is no problem, however as a provider of sexual services you have to take into account the age of the person obtaining sexual services, as it would be illegal to provide sexual services (have sex) with a person who is under the age of consent.

Concerning things on websites, although it might cause Vin DaLoo to raise an eyebrow, I suggest that you get in touch with them and use the SaSfan technique and gently enquire about such things as the actual legislation involved etc.

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Most escorts websites ask for the viewer to be 18 yrs and over and buying or renting pornographic material is also the same age of consent so surely "renting" a womans body must be within the same legalities.

A similar argument would be..."most people drive at 80mph on the motorway,so surely that must be the speed limit".

The standard disclaimers that you see on escorts' websites, including the "time and companionship" ones are totally unnecessary in the UK. So far as I can see they are only included because everyone else has them and/or because they come with the template.

The legal age for consent is 16 (section 9 Sexual Offences Act 2003) and that is only changed, if the prostitute (and not the payer) is under 18 (section 47).

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I think that you must forget the money aspect entirely, it really is not relevant, it is the nature of goods/services and the age factor that matters (but not necessarily to both parties) in both cases. With all other things being equal, firstly it is legal to both provide and obtain pornographic material. Secondly it is legal to provide and obtain sexual services.

Looking at it from the provider point of view the situation concerning the provision of pornographic material is quite straightforward, with all other things being equal the person trying to obtain the pornographic material is either of a legal age to obtain (this is legally defined) or he/she is not, AFAIK that is the end of the matter for the provider, he/she does not have to take into account any form of consent from the person obtaining the pornographic material. The situation concerning the provision of sexual services is somewhat different, AFAIK, there is no legal restriction regarding age and the obtaining of sexual services so theoretically there is no problem, however as a provider of sexual services you have to take into account the age of the person obtaining sexual services, as it would be illegal to provide sexual services (have sex) with a person who is under the age of consent.

Concerning things on websites, although it might cause Vin DaLoo to raise an eyebrow, I suggest that you get in touch with them and use the SaSfan technique and gently enquire about such things as the actual legislation involved etc.

To keep it simple, since Sasfan never does, there was never any law on minimum ages for paid sex until the Sexual offence act 2003. Up to this point the age of consent was the only legislation applicable and that was, and is, set at 16. The SoA 2003 only referred to a minimum age for the person who is selling the services i.e the prostitute. There is no minimum for the buyer other than the normal age of consent.

The reason the raised age for paid sex was brought in (for the seller) was that offering someone money makes them more likely to say yes, and it's clearly felt that 16/17 is too young to make a decision like that. Obviously it makes little difference to the buyer. The fact the prostitute is charging him doesn't put a client under any extra pressure to consent to sex (in fact the opposite really), so the age of consent (16) is still valid.

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Concerning things on websites, although it might cause Vin DaLoo to raise an eyebrow, I suggest that you get in touch with them and use the SaSfan technique and gently enquire about such things as the actual legislation involved etc.

..or just read the more succinct answers posted by others above.

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The reason the raised age for paid sex was brought in (for the seller) was that offering someone money makes them more likely to say yes, and it's clearly felt that 16/17 is too young to make a decision like that.

Have I read you right here? Are you saying that there is legislation making it illegal for a person under the age of 18 to be a prostitute?

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What happens if a couple (M+F) of 16 yr olds film themselves having sex purely for their own pleasure. Are they allowed to watch the film? as then they are breaking the law by viewing pornographic material??

The law is an ass when it comes to the sex industry ect.

How can a WG state that a client under 18 yrs is illegal as the law states the age of sexual consent is 16 yrs of age.

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Have I read you right here? Are you saying that there is legislation making it illegal for a person under the age of 18 to be a prostitute?

erm......let me think now......No

I said "The reason the raised age for paid sex was brought in (for the seller) was that offering someone money makes them more likely to say yes, and it's clearly felt that 16/17 is too young to make a decision like that."

Let me break that down for you. The age of consent is 16. So they brought in a raised age (for the seller) so that that person has to be 18; and that just like a person under 16 is too young to consent to sex, a person under 18 is too young to consent to paid sex. Is any of that inaccurate? Did I mention who was to be prosecuted in that scenario? No I didn't. You're too F*cking eager to score points you can't even be arsed to read things properly. I did not say, nor did I suggest that a prostitute under 18 would be committing an offence.

If a person is under 18 then it is illegal for a person to pay or offer to pay them for sex. The client is the one who gets done. Not the prostitute. Happy now?

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What happens if a couple (M+F) of 16 yr olds film themselves having sex purely for their own pleasure. Are they allowed to watch the film? as then they are breaking the law by viewing pornographic material??

The law is an ass when it comes to the sex industry ect.

How can a WG state that a client under 18 yrs is illegal as the law states the age of sexual consent is 16 yrs of age.

No they're not. There's an exception within the child porn laws that says if you're in an "enduring relationship" it's legal to film each other having sex or whatever even if one partner is 16/17. So long as you don't distribute/show the film to another person, there's no crime. Since the movie is not rated by the BBFC there would be no crime in viewing it either, especially since those laws only make it illegal for the distributor to show it to minors. Not for the minors to make it and show it to themselves.

Edited by punter992005

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My guess is that petitelucy is even more confused now!

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Avice so far seems to be:

WG only commits offense if punter under 16

Punter commits offense if Wg under 18.

It seems simple Is it?

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Your many posts over the years indicate a grasp of the complexities of the law, especially the law regarding prostitution, that would seem surprisingly deep for a humble Chinese takeaway delivery driver. Maybe it would surprise you to know, however, that most people hold a set of beliefs to be true without having memorised Wikipedia links that back up those beliefs. But I think you know that. The problem that I see is that asking for a link to back up someones possible misconception, because you believe them to be mistaken (probably correctly) can come across as somewhat sarcastic.

Yeah, quietly standing up for factual rigour deserves to be smacked down.

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I`ve noticed that lately a few new guys to grace my bedroom have looked more like boys than men. I know that the legal age for a client is 18+ and i do always ask for ID if I feel they are too near the borderline. I`ve only ever had one guy who didnt have any and to be honest, he looked about 16 years old, so I told him I couldnt legally or morally allow him my company, gave him an orange squash and sent him on his way.

Did you give him 50p to go and buy some sweeties? :P:D:P

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Avice so far seems to be:

WG only commits offense if punter under 16

Punter commits offense if Wg under 18.

It seems simple Is it?

yup, that's about it

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To keep it simple, since Sasfan never does, there was never any law on minimum ages for paid sex until the Sexual offence act 2003. Up to this point the age of consent was the only legislation applicable and that was, and is, set at 16. The SoA 2003 only referred to a minimum age for the person who is selling the services i.e the prostitute. There is no minimum for the buyer other than the normal age of consent.

The reason the raised age for paid sex was brought in (for the seller) was that offering someone money makes them more likely to say yes, and it's clearly felt that 16/17 is too young to make a decision like that. Obviously it makes little difference to the buyer. The fact the prostitute is charging him doesn't put a client under any extra pressure to consent to sex (in fact the opposite really), so the age of consent (16) is still valid.

(As a nit picker, you will understand that I have to point out that all UK statutes take initial caps, so Sexual Offences Act 2003)

Then, now in my dotage, I remember learning in law school endless cases concerning the liability of minors only for necessities in contract law. While I'd deny that, say, (well to avoid awkwardness, I won't name her) "X" is a necessity for a 17 year old, I'd certainly assert that the Dollymopp is a necessity for me. Could it be that this 18+ thing is simply a matter of contract? The teenager's curator could be entitled to have the WG repay, if her services were not a necessity?

Edited by Irgendeiner

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If a person is under 18 then it is illegal for a person to pay or offer to pay them for sex. The client is the one who gets done. Not the prostitute. Happy now?

Yes, thank you.

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(As a nit picker, you will understand that I have to point out that all UK statutes take initial caps, so Sexual Offences Act 2003)

Then, now in my dotage, I remember learning in law school endless cases concerning the liability of minors only for necessities in contract law. While I'd deny that, say, (well to avoid awkwardness, I won't name her) "X" is a necessity for a 17 year old, I'd certainly assert that the Dollymopp is a necessity for me. Could it be that this 18+ thing is simply a matter of contract? The teenager's curator could be entitled to have the WG repay, if her services were not a necessity?

Um

I thought any contract between a WG and punter was deemed unenforcable as it was imoral?

for that reason you cant sue a wg for not getting a shag, for instance. I would have thought the opposite would be true too??????

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