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Warning over county's secret brothels: Police fears for victims of human trafficking

Despite the unusual headline it's the same old trafficking rhetoric in my local paper.

Pretty accurate I'd say. This is where Op. Pentameter failed, they targeted brothels that everyone knew about and had probably been visited by the police before. The successful cases against traffickers have normally been intelligence led rather than target driven (such as Op. Pentameter). All that did was force a wedge between the police and their best source of potential information, ie us.

For instance in MK there are several well known establishments, however there are also at least 2 'chinese' operations that have new girls every week and move every 3-4 months. There is also a network of girls locally on the 'other site' who obviously have a 'controller'. They do appear and disappear regularly. These are the 'secret brothels' that the officer is referring to but the police perhaps lack intelligence on.

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Warning over county's secret brothels: Police fears for victims of human trafficking

Despite the unusual headline it's the same old trafficking rhetoric in my local paper.

The article is not really much help, but there may be something in this.

Knowing that most regular punters would blow the whistle if they stumbled across a case of trafficking, it occurred to me that brothels run by migrant communities, for customers of the same community, could run without any advertsing or promotion, on a word-of-mouth basis, in the original language of that community. Mujra clubs have been identified as possibles in the past. The migrant punter would be more bound by his loyalty to his community, and its pimps, than any ethical consideration for the plight of the girl. Indeed it may be that it is a community which has lower respect for the rights of women in general.

Two problems are posed for the police. Detection of these under-the-radar establishments is going to be nigh on impossible without a whistle-blower. Secondly political correctness will make any police wary of making any statements generally about the possibility of this happening on a widespread basis, even after arrests and convictions in specific instances.

Further research is needed, as they say. Starting with the rescued girls themselves, and possibly the convicted pimps who may, with inducements, be turned. It should be carried out by serious academics, with no pro or anti agenda, and in co-operation with the police. Sadly I cannot see it happening any time soon.

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Pretty accurate I'd say. This is where Op. Pentameter failed, they targeted brothels that everyone knew about and had probably been visited by the police before. The successful cases against traffickers have normally been intelligence led rather than target driven (such as Op. Pentameter). All that did was force a wedge between the police and their best source of potential information, ie us.

For instance in MK there are several well known establishments, however there are also at least 2 'chinese' operations that have new girls every week and move every 3-4 months. There is also a network of girls locally on the 'other site' who obviously have a 'controller'. They do appear and disappear regularly. These are the 'secret brothels' that the officer is referring to but the police perhaps lack intelligence on.

The chinese operations are in the public domain in the sense that they advertise locally to get their custom and will take any punter's pound. They tend to move regularly to avoid nuisance complaints from neighbours and also because they are vulnerable to attack from cash thieves. The weekly girl rotation is to ensure that they can offer their customers variety even though they are only a two-girl operation running from an anonymous flat or house. The girls live all over the country and travel to those houses which they prefer. I know a lot about one such establishment, near where I live in North London, which happens to be my default resort if I am not planning a specific punt. Have also used a few others in the area too.

I take your point about some of the profiles on the other site which are extremely suspicious.

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The article is not really much help, but there may be something in this.

Knowing that most regular punters would blow the whistle if they stumbled across a case of trafficking, it occurred to me that brothels run by migrant communities, for customers of the same community, could run without any advertsing or promotion, on a word-of-mouth basis, in the original language of that community. Mujra clubs have been identified as possibles in the past. The migrant punter would be more bound by his loyalty to his community, and its pimps, than any ethical consideration for the plight of the girl. Indeed it may be that it is a community which has lower respect for the rights of women in general.

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Pardon my Ignorance . But what is a Mujra Club ????

Where are they located ????

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Pretty accurate I'd say. This is where Op. Pentameter failed, they targeted brothels that everyone knew about and had probably been visited by the police before. The successful cases against traffickers have normally been intelligence led rather than target driven (such as Op. Pentameter). All that did was force a wedge between the police and their best source of potential information, ie us.

For instance in MK there are several well known establishments, however there are also at least 2 'chinese' operations that have new girls every week and move every 3-4 months. There is also a network of girls locally on the 'other site' who obviously have a 'controller'. They do appear and disappear regularly. These are the 'secret brothels' that the officer is referring to but the police perhaps lack intelligence on.

In the interest of research only ....What is it about Milton Keynes that attracts the girls ???

I know its one of the newest towns in the Uk . So is it the Low Rents& house prices there ????. Or is it the Relatively Younger Population compared to other Uk Towns ???

I mean it ain't exactly a Sunshine Town???

Although it does remind me of certain parts of Dallas,Texas .Well laid out.

I know what does attract me to MK ... the sheer variety &no of girls .

So much so ,i am thinking of spending a Week's holiday there, doing Incalls & outcalls .

But is there anything else for me(Night Time ) to do apart from Punting ?????

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The chinese operations are in the public domain in the sense that they advertise locally to get their custom and will take any punter's pound. They tend to move regularly to avoid nuisance complaints from neighbours and also because they are vulnerable to attack from cash thieves. The weekly girl rotation is to ensure that they can offer their customers variety even though they are only a two-girl operation running from an anonymous flat or house. The girls live all over the country and travel to those houses which they prefer. I know a lot about one such establishment, near where I live in North London, which happens to be my default resort if I am not planning a specific punt. Have also used a few others in the area too.

I take your point about some of the profiles on the other site which are extremely suspicious.

Have you actually thought about what you have just written. Why do they need to move all the time ? Why are they so worried about neighbours and why are they so vunerable to attack from cash thieves. Every Brothel in every town is the same and they don't need to constantly move around, they all take cash they all have neighbours. As for weekly rotation that would depend on your clientele as most places do very well without having to bring in fresh blood every week. Any brothel with nothing to hide will be in the paper, on the net and will have a hard core of regular girls as well as a few that travel in and travel out they will not be constantly on the run. We run a two girl operation and have the same girls each week it never causes us a problem.

I think it is sad that people would fall for this excuse and very sad for the girls that are being shipped in every week to service clients that are in the know, the clients that are demanding the fresh young thing.

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Any brothel with nothing to hide will be in the paper, on the net and will have a hard core of regular girls as well as a few that travel..... We run a two girl operation and have the same girls each week it never causes us a problem.

I think it is sad that people would fall for this excuse and very sad for the girls that are being shipped in every week to service clients that are in the know, the clients that are demanding the fresh young thing.

Well said, and your honesty (sadly rare indeed) is much appreciated. I hope establishments like yours continue to flourish. :D

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In the interest of research only ....What is it about Milton Keynes that attracts the girls ???

I know its one of the newest towns in the Uk . So is it the Low Rents& house prices there ????. Or is it the Relatively Younger Population compared to other Uk Towns ???

I mean it ain't exactly a Sunshine Town???

Although it does remind me of certain parts of Dallas,Texas .Well laid out.

I know what does attract me to MK ... the sheer variety &no of girls .

So much so ,i am thinking of spending a Week's holiday there, doing Incalls & outcalls .

But is there anything else for me(Night Time ) to do apart from Punting ?????

This has been discussed before but I will attempt to answer the points you have raised.

Firstly and most importantly, Milton Keynes was 'designed' it didn't happen because some Romans or Vikings found a river and built a place to worship there. As such it has the M1, A4 and the Manchester-Birmingham-London train lines running through it. It is also about as central in the UK as you can get (the most central point I believe is a field in Olney some 9 miles outside of MK). So business access is terrific, it also has a road system in which traffic jams are nearly non-exsistent. Due to all this there is a large population in MK and an even bigger one with very easy access to it. The population is relatively young and most people can only go back to the 70's in regards to their families presence in MK, as you know it was designed as an overspill for all the other major cities at the time.

The 'design' is boring but it's modern, clean and convenient. It has probably more leisure facilities within it's central square mile than any other city with the exception of London perhaps.

I would say though that it's a myth that there are more WG's in MK than other cities. More field reports maybe but a search on the internet will reveal as many parlours, agencies and indies in most other towns. What the girls do have is a higher profile perhaps due to the commuting punters who use such sites as this putting them firmly on the map. This has in turn attracted quality staff from the big cities to come to MK to work. In theory it does not make sense for such high quality girls to come from London, Manchester or Birmingham to a smaller city to make money but they do as there is a demand by YOU the clients.

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Firstly and most importantly, Milton Keynes was 'designed' it didn't happen because some Romans or Vikings found a river and built a place to worship there. As such it has the M1, A4 and the Manchester-Birmingham-London train lines running through it. It is also about as central in the UK as you can get (the most central point I believe is a field in Olney some 9 miles outside of MK). So business access is terrific, it also has a road system in which traffic jams are nearly non-exsistent. Due to all this there is a large population in MK and an even bigger one with very easy access to it. The population is relatively young and most people can only go back to the 70's in regards to their families presence in MK, as you know it was designed as an overspill for all the other major cities at the time.

The 'design' is boring but it's modern, clean and convenient. It has probably more leisure facilities within it's central square mile than any other city with the exception of London perhaps.

I would say though that it's a myth that there are more WG's in MK than other cities. More field reports maybe but a search on the internet will reveal as many parlours, agencies and indies in most other towns. What the girls do have is a higher profile perhaps due to the commuting punters who use such sites as this putting them firmly on the map. This has in turn attracted quality staff from the big cities to come to MK to work. In theory it does not make sense for such high quality girls to come from London, Manchester or Birmingham to a smaller city to make money but they do as there is a demand by YOU the clients.

There's definitely a Geography dissertation in there for someone!

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The other night on TV Mark Austin did a programme based on the Chinese cocklers who died in Morecombe Bay. The Chinese come over here and then owe the snake heads a great deal of money for passage, say £15k plus interest. In the programme the police admitted to "loosing" all of the survivors who then went underground. The police said the only way they found them was to lean on a snakehead who had in excess of ONE MILLION pounds going into his bank account EVERY DAY.

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This has been discussed before but I will attempt to answer the points you have raised.

Firstly and most importantly, Milton Keynes was 'designed' it didn't happen because some Romans or Vikings found a river and built a place to worship there. As such it has the M1, A4 and the Manchester-Birmingham-London train lines running through it. It is also about as central in the UK as you can get (the most central point I believe is a field in Olney some 9 miles outside of MK). So business access is terrific, it also has a road system in which traffic jams are nearly non-exsistent. Due to all this there is a large population in MK and an even bigger one with very easy access to it. The population is relatively young and most people can only go back to the 70's in regards to their families presence in MK, as you know it was designed as an overspill for all the other major cities at the time.

The 'design' is boring but it's modern, clean and convenient. It has probably more leisure facilities within it's central square mile than any other city with the exception of London perhaps.

I would say though that it's a myth that there are more WG's in MK than other cities. More field reports maybe but a search on the internet will reveal as many parlours, agencies and indies in most other towns. What the girls do have is a higher profile perhaps due to the commuting punters who use such sites as this putting them firmly on the map. This has in turn attracted quality staff from the big cities to come to MK to work. In theory it does not make sense for such high quality girls to come from London, Manchester or Birmingham to a smaller city to make money but they do as there is a demand by YOU the clients.

good poimt mrs d but i think you have missed the synergy. good parlours attract good girls and punters. that attracts more girls which attracts punters...

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This has been discussed before but I will attempt to answer the points you have raised.

Firstly and most importantly, Milton Keynes was 'designed' it didn't happen because some Romans or Vikings found a river and built a place to worship there. As such it has the M1, A4 and the Manchester-Birmingham-London train lines running through it. It is also about as central in the UK as you can get (the most central point I believe is a field in Olney some 9 miles outside of MK). So business access is terrific, it also has a road system in which traffic jams are nearly non-exsistent. Due to all this there is a large population in MK and an even bigger one with very easy access to it. The population is relatively young and most people can only go back to the 70's in regards to their families presence in MK, as you know it was designed as an overspill for all the other major cities at the time.

The 'design' is boring but it's modern, clean and convenient. It has probably more leisure facilities within it's central square mile than any other city with the exception of London perhaps.

I would say though that it's a myth that there are more WG's in MK than other cities. More field reports maybe but a search on the internet will reveal as many parlours, agencies and indies in most other towns. What the girls do have is a higher profile perhaps due to the commuting punters who use such sites as this putting them firmly on the map. This has in turn attracted quality staff from the big cities to come to MK to work. In theory it does not make sense for such high quality girls to come from London, Manchester or Birmingham to a smaller city to make money but they do as there is a demand by YOU the clients.

Thank you Mr DivineMK.

Some friends across the Atlantic thought that i work for the MK Tourist Board .

I am always telling them to visit ,but i didn't have much backgound info on the Place .

Perhaps a huge Casino a Las Vegas style will complete the picture .

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I believe Gordon Brown stopped the super and regional casinos, for which companies and councils had spent a fortune on the bidding process, within about 5 minutes of coming to power. Pretty much as you'd expect a kill-joy wanker to do.

Don't expect to see any Vegas-style casinos here this side of the next millenium. The laws in that respect are as ludicrous as the laws relating to prostitution.

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Pardon my Ignorance . But what is a Mujra Club ????

Where are they located ????

Thanks

Mujra Clubs can be found in the sub continent like Indian or Pakistan. They have girls dancing on stage or on show who are also available for other services, these are now illegal in these countires but can still be found. There are a few Mujra clubs in Dubai as well where indian girls dance to bollywood music but they are not for hire but still worth looking at if you have a few hours to kill. There was a Mujra club in Wembley about 12 years ago but that got closed down.

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Mujra Clubs can be found in the sub continent like Indian or Pakistan. They have girls dancing on stage or on show who are also available for other services, these are now illegal in these countires but can still be found. There are a few Mujra clubs in Dubai as well where indian girls dance to bollywood music but they are not for hire but still worth looking at if you have a few hours to kill. There was a Mujra club in Wembley about 12 years ago but that got closed down.

Ive been to one in East London about 2 years back,may of been less than that. It was in the middle of nowhere on an industrial estate,now closed down. it was ok but there was no hint of other services being offered and even if there was its probably limited to certain people.There were men showering some girls with wads of cash and I mean sh*tloads of cash,throwing it up in the air etc I assumed those guys were either the owners or linked to them in some way.the girls were v pretty overall but it didnt do anything for me at all.The whole mujra theme doesnt appeal to me either,its more popular in places like India/Pakistan etc

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Mujra Clubs can be found in the sub continent like Indian or Pakistan. They have girls dancing on stage or on show who are also available for other services, these are now illegal in these countires but can still be found. There are a few Mujra clubs in Dubai as well where indian girls dance to bollywood music but they are not for hire but still worth looking at if you have a few hours to kill. There was a Mujra club in Wembley about 12 years ago but that got closed down.

Thank You .

learn something new on punting everyday.

Are the clubs open to a man of Colour (White ), or are they Private clubs ????

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Have you actually thought about what you have just written. Why do they need to move all the time ? Why are they so worried about neighbours and why are they so vunerable to attack from cash thieves. Every Brothel in every town is the same and they don't need to constantly move around, they all take cash they all have neighbours. As for weekly rotation that would depend on your clientele as most places do very well without having to bring in fresh blood every week. Any brothel with nothing to hide will be in the paper, on the net and will have a hard core of regular girls as well as a few that travel in and travel out they will not be constantly on the run. We run a two girl operation and have the same girls each week it never causes us a problem.

I think it is sad that people would fall for this excuse and very sad for the girls that are being shipped in every week to service clients that are in the know, the clients that are demanding the fresh young thing.

BL has not "fallen" for anything, he simply described how the Chinese establishments work to the standard weekly rotation model. These are not the "secret" places at all. They do advertise in local press, which is rather obviously how they are targeted by cash thieves, especially in certain parts of North and East London where this sort of thing happens a lot. I have myself witnessed the immediate aftermath of an attack of this kind. It is not pretty and is very clearly something these establishments have to worry about. They don't move "all the time", only when they feel the need to.

And don't think local plod don't know of their existence; of course they do, but leave them alone because they know they are OK.

I know a number of rotation girls from way back. They are completely free agents. They choose which houses to work in; if they don't like a place they don't go back. One of my regulars stopped coming to my regular house after the attack mentioned above; unsurprisingly she was very frightened by the experience of having five young men with knives threatening her. Now she just lets me know when she is in London so we can hook up wherever she is based. I also see her as an independent on outcall, that's how free she is.

The secret places are something else.

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Thank You .

learn something new on punting everyday.

Are the clubs open to a man of Colour (White ), or are they Private clubs ????

I cant see any reason why they wouldnt be open to anyone,white,black,brown etc

To give you an idea of what goes on,you have indian/pakistani/(bengali?) girls dancing to hindi music ,nothing is revealed in terms of naughty bits,they dance 'sexy' so to speak but thats it. It just does nothing for me, I dont mind strip clubs but even then its frustrating when you cant do much else except watch the girl lol

I think thats an accurate description of mujra clubs? but if not im sure there are others who can chime in with more details.

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Pretty accurate I'd say. This is where Op. Pentameter failed, they targeted brothels that everyone knew about and had probably been visited by the police before. The successful cases against traffickers have normally been intelligence led rather than target driven (such as Op. Pentameter). All that did was force a wedge between the police and their best source of potential information, ie us.

For instance in MK there are several well known establishments, however there are also at least 2 'chinese' operations that have new girls every week and move every 3-4 months. There is also a network of girls locally on the 'other site' who obviously have a 'controller'. They do appear and disappear regularly. These are the 'secret brothels' that the officer is referring to but the police perhaps lack intelligence on.

Well there are Chinese flats that advertise in the same local paper, so they are hardly secret. An Albanian gang using trafficked EE girls was closed down a few years ago.

I don't find the idea that there are significant numbers of secret brothels operating entirely within an immigrant community convincing. Why would working girls or pimps in those communities limit themselves to a trafficked individual with little or no spending power ? That doesn't make sense when they can operate relatively openly, gain customers from the wider community and increase their earning power significantly.

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Pardon my Ignorance . But what is a Mujra Club ????

Where are they located ????

Thanks

Modern mujra dancers often perform at weddings, birthdays and bachelor parties. It's Pakistani and Indian cultural dancing. A bit like belly-dancing in Egypt etc. - and mostly fairly inocuous.

Club Mehfil in Harrow is a Mujra club.

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I don't find the idea that there are significant numbers of secret brothels operating entirely within an immigrant community convincing. Why would working girls or pimps in those communities limit themselves to a trafficked individual with little or no spending power ? That doesn't make sense when they can operate relatively openly, gain customers from the wider community and increase their earning power significantly.

TBH I'm not convinced either. It's only a hypothesis with nothing behind it evidentially. For years I've been trying to get my head around how and when trafficking actually occurs, and on what scale, and am frustrated by the lack of hard knowledge and research in the area.

But the hypothetical model I was describing was that of traffficked girls controlled by pimps and customers who are all from the same immigrant community, but the customer group being here legitimately with sufficient disposable cash. The girls being trafficked would have no say in who gets to abuse them. The point being that the whole operation is under-the-radar. The pimps would not make the girls available to general punters because inevitably one of the punters would twig and blow the whistle. Of course I could be completely wrong........

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But the hypothetical model I was describing was that of traffficked girls controlled by pimps and customers who are all from the same immigrant community, but the customer group being here legitimately with sufficient disposable cash. The girls being trafficked would have no say in who gets to abuse them. The point being that the whole operation is under-the-radar. The pimps would not make the girls available to general punters because inevitably one of the punters would twig and blow the whistle. Of course I could be completely wrong........

I doubt that there are significant numbers of such places operating in the UK, but I have no doubt that such places do exist in certain cities and other areas with a high immigrant population.

The scenario that you outline above appears very plausible although I think it possible that illegal immigrants are just as likely to form the customer base as those here legitimately.

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Another aspect of punting which occurs but is not tarred with the same brush as trafficking is the elusive 'circuit' or 'network'

This is where girls work within a group of men who have a common ground from professional sportsmen, wealthy tourists, a criminal network or perhaps some local wideboys. The girls may never have worked as WG's ie indies, agencies or advertised as such. They'll be party girls or just savvy girls who basically have sex with men within these social groups for money and or gifts. Although this may seem like a bunch of very attractive girls just hanging around the 'cash' when you witness it in public, it will normally have been arranged by a fixer who the group know who will in turn be paid a commission.

One such lady we have knowledge of has made over a million pounds from this type of work and never once advertised herself on the net in any form. She is a very intelligent girl with a law degree, fluent in Russian and French who just realised her looks would earn her money quicker than her brain whilst she is still in her 20's.

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I doubt that there are significant numbers of such places operating in the UK, but I have no doubt that such places do exist in certain cities and other areas with a high immigrant population.

The scenario that you outline above appears very plausible although I think it possible that illegal immigrants are just as likely to form the customer base as those here legitimately.

Quite agree they could not be widespread if indeed they existed at all

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