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Madam Becky an ex brothel owner was interviewed by 5 Live News, dispelling many of the myths about prostitution. The myths that sex workers don’t have control of their lives and are abused or come from abusive backgrounds. Unfortunatley 5 Live News still seem it neccesary to cut in scenes from street workers.

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Madam Becky an ex brothel owner was interviewed by 5 Live News, dispelling many of the myths about prostitution. The myths that sex workers don’t have control of their lives and are abused or come from abusive backgrounds. Unfortunatley 5 Live News still seem it neccesary to cut in scenes from street workers.

Absolutely appalling -- that clip will do nothing to change the views and perceptions of outsiders to the industry. Madam Becky seems a nice lady but in my view she re-inforced the image of a traditional Madam . The vast majority of the escorts that I have met are in a different league from the other girls interveiwed --- brighter, more articulate, better presented -- better in every way, A dreadful piece.

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Zayna looked a bit scary to me. No FR's. I wonder who her plastic surgeon is.

I think they show images of "the street scene" as it is very easy to film that without exposing the ladies shown identities.

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Zayna looked a bit scary to me. No FR's.

Zzorro: Zauyna does have Frs here. This is one of them. She is one of the infamous Kit and Kat twins, who been in the most of the chat programs. (at least 3 times on Jeremy Kyle) and few others.

Cumandgo: girls according to your words which are "vast majority of the escorts that I have met are in a different league from the other girls interviewed --- brighter, more articulate, better presented -- better in every way"- will very rarely appear in the media, unless they will need some publicity for their books.

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Zzorro: Zauyna does have Frs here. This is one of them. She is one of the infamous Kit and Kat twins, who been in the most of the chat programs. (at least 3 times on Jeremy Kyle) and few others.

Cumandgo: girls according to your words which are "vast majority of the escorts that I have met are in a different league from the other girls interviewed --- brighter, more articulate, better presented -- better in every way"- will very rarely appear in the media, unless they will need some publicity for their books.

I thought MB came across well. I am not sure why Cumandgo thinks her as a typical madam and damages. I always consider madams to have a gruff voice. MB speaks well. Anyway whats wrong with a Madams.

ZZorro was interviewed as part of the program, she has been doing the rounds of chat shows.

Daisy came across well as a well grounded women, who had a previous job as an office manager. Her voice was not her own, and was an actor, so no idea how she talks. The interviewer on her blog stated this. Also she has it planned with a get out plan, which all escorts should have. Daisy was known to MB.

From the Five Libe Blog

Daisy impressed me because she did seem to have successfully separated her life as a mother from her work as a call girl. She’d had an ordinary upbringing, and her career had been progressing. But five years ago, when the firm she was working for went bust just before Christmas, Daisy found herself struggling to make ends meet. Too proud to ask for help or borrow money, she answered an “Escorts Wanted” advert. She was petrified by her first job. “I was a bag of nerves, I cried my eyes out the whole time I was there,” she told me. But within a couple of days, she’d got over her fear. Now she earns between one thousand and three thousand pounds a week. Daisy’s plan is to spend two more years building up a cushion of savings, and then return to an ordinary job, knowing she has a nest-egg should anything go wrong.

Yes Xenia is correct in her assertion. Few escorts will appear on these program, as few punters will as well. Even those escorts who campaign for human rights, and those I know who have participated in research programs, very few will talk with the media let alone appear on TV. There are far too many risks, and we all know how the media will twist the facts and the story to their own agenda, which is mainly sensationalism and anti sex work.

So I am glad there are those out there who put their head above the trench, risking it to be shot off by the antis, the media and seemingly also sex work supporters. Those who criticize attempts by MB and others don't have a leg to stand on, unless they have also doing their bit to educate the media and population. (Oh I can criticize MB as much as I like, I have appeared on TV and radio shows giving the client view of sex work)

This program was fair to MB, and the blog was fair. They though still have to put the street work prostitution images, walk up images and words associated with drugs and trafficking around the basic good story. Yes they should do so to some extent, that is the public perception of prostitution, but contrast it with the work MB was involved in. They did that, but left me feeling that maybe MB was still a small minority of sex work.

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Absolutely appalling ... A dreadful piece.

I think that is a bit harsh on both counts. Madam Becky was able to get her points across effectively and in a way that will reach a different constituency than, for example, Brooke would reach. It all helps to correct the commonly held cliché of two extremes, street and high class escorts. I think we are winning the debate at the high end intellectual level and now need to get win the middle ground as well.

The Five feature was a lot fairer that we typically subject to and about as balanced as we can reasonable expect. The JK feature by comparison was pretty dreadful. Despite the interviewed girls making a good showing, he framed the whole in a very negative way.

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I thought MB came across well. I am not sure why Cumandgo thinks her as a typical madam and damages. I always consider madams to have a gruff voice. MB speaks well. Anyway whats wrong with a Madams.

ZZorro was interviewed as part of the program, she has been doing the rounds of chat shows.

Daisy came across well as a well grounded women, who had a previous job as an office manager. Her voice was not her own, and was an actor, so no idea how she talks. The interviewer on her blog stated this. Also she has it planned with a get out plan, which all escorts should have. Daisy was known to MB.

From the Five Libe Blog

Daisy impressed me because she did seem to have successfully separated her life as a mother from her work as a call girl. She’d had an ordinary upbringing, and her career had been progressing. But five years ago, when the firm she was working for went bust just before Christmas, Daisy found herself struggling to make ends meet. Too proud to ask for help or borrow money, she answered an “Escorts Wanted” advert. She was petrified by her first job. “I was a bag of nerves, I cried my eyes out the whole time I was there,” she told me. But within a couple of days, she’d got over her fear. Now she earns between one thousand and three thousand pounds a week. Daisy’s plan is to spend two more years building up a cushion of savings, and then return to an ordinary job, knowing she has a nest-egg should anything go wrong.

Yes Xenia is correct in her assertion. Few escorts will appear on these program, as few punters will as well. Even those escorts who campaign for human rights, and those I know who have participated in research programs, very few will talk with the media let alone appear on TV. There are far too many risks, and we all know how the media will twist the facts and the story to their own agenda, which is mainly sensationalism and anti sex work.

So I am glad there are those out there who put their head above the trench, risking it to be shot off by the antis, the media and seemingly also sex work supporters. Those who criticize attempts by MB and others don't have a leg to stand on, unless they have also doing their bit to educate the media and population. (Oh I can criticize MB as much as I like, I have appeared on TV and radio shows giving the client view of sex work)

This program was fair to MB, and the blog was fair. They though still have to put the street work prostitution images, walk up images and words associated with drugs and trafficking around the basic good story. Yes they should do so to some extent, that is the public perception of prostitution, but contrast it with the work MB was involved in. They did that, but left me feeling that maybe MB was still a small minority of sex work.

Blimey, I don't remember being interviewed for the program.

I really should drink less..............

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Blimey, I don't remember being interviewed for the program.

I really should drink less..............

Zzzorro Zanya, both start with Z. Sorry I wish I could read every word/letter like a friend of mine, then I would be anle to spell and maybe make sense.

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I think that is a bit harsh on both counts. Madam Becky was able to get her points across effectively and in a way that will reach a different constituency than, for example, Brooke would reach. It all helps to correct the commonly held cliché of two extremes, street and high class escorts. I think we are winning the debate at the high end intellectual level and now need to get win the middle ground as well.

The Five feature was a lot fairer that we typically subject to and about as balanced as we can reasonable expect. The JK feature by comparison was pretty dreadful. Despite the interviewed girls making a good showing, he framed the whole in a very negative way.

But even JK grudgingly said at the end of the program, was that the sex industy was not going to go away, and some legislation for saftey should be implement. The crap bit of the ending pieces was that he went in with an open mind. Not sure about that.

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But even JK grudgingly said at the end of the program, was that the sex industy was not going to go away, and some legislation for saftey should be implement. The crap bit of the ending pieces was that he went in with an open mind. Not sure about that.

Interesting. A few days ago I had a long chat with an ex Becky Adams employee who claimed that this self professed protector of working girls took a far higher proportion of her girls earnings than other parlours/owners, called her girls 'dirty skanky whores' (not as a joke) and was not at all sympathetic to girls refusing punters who had been rough or abusive on previous visits. Although not naive about the industry I believe what I was told and was dismayed that said Becky Adams has become a spokesman for the industry and is carving an after dinner speaking and academic career from her experiences.

Then I recalled that Tony Blair is padding his retirement out by misrepresenting his achievements in a similar way and I felt, if not better, that the injustice of it was far from unique.

Daffon

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Absolutely appalling -- that clip will do nothing to change the views and perceptions of outsiders to the industry. Madam Becky seems a nice lady but in my view she re-inforced the image of a traditional Madam . The vast majority of the escorts that I have met are in a different league from the other girls interveiwed --- brighter, more articulate, better presented -- better in every way, A dreadful piece.

Maybe not and as a previous poster said, WGs, clients or advocates have to be brave to talk to the media with the inherent risks.

I might be going out on a limb here but maybe prostitution has some similarities with male homosexuality in terms of societal acceptance?

It's been around for millenia in many different cultures. In modern times, attitudes vary from tolerance to being punishable by death. But slowly, gradually, attitudes are changing e.g. similar financial and legal rights to heterosexuals are now granted in many countries.

Maybe in another 50 years we may see a different attitude to prostitution? Especially if the street walking/trafficked end of the spectrum can be minimised (easier said than done admittedly.)

The same comparison could also be drawn with hard core pornography and hard drugs. Compare attitudes and consumption of these to 50 years ago and how they are much more socially acceptable today (even if one wouldn't necessarily go round boasting about it.)

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Interesting. A few days ago I had a long chat with an ex Becky Adams employee who claimed that this self professed protector of working girls took a far higher proportion of her girls earnings than other parlours/owners, called her girls 'dirty skanky whores' (not as a joke) and was not at all sympathetic to girls refusing punters who had been rough or abusive on previous visits. Although not naive about the industry I believe what I was told and was dismayed that said Becky Adams has become a spokesman for the industry and is carving an after dinner speaking and academic career from her experiences.

Then I recalled that Tony Blair is padding his retirement out by misrepresenting his achievements in a similar way and I felt, if not better, that the injustice of it was far from unique.

Daffon

Oh yes, I remember that. How silly of me.

In fact, I kept all their money, and passports, shagged their dads and husbands and beat them daily with a wooden spoon. Lets not forget the girls I chopped up into a mix of fluffy baby seal meat, and then stuffed up the bums of the blind children from my drug running cartel.

Thanks Daffon for reminding me. I'm off to write a best selling book about my wickedness.

Lots of love

Madam Becky, Hand-maiden of Satan xxx :rolleyes:

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I thought Becky had a soft, sexy voice - girlish, yet wise. I can't wait to get to Hell so I can avail myself of the undoubted talents of Satan's 'hand-maiden'. :P

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The vast majority of the escorts that I have met are in a different league from the other girls interveiwed --- brighter, more articulate, better presented -- better in every way.
I haven't watched the video, but I understand the point your making. And I know you're not guilty of the point I'm about to make, but...this is one of the things that annoys me about the perception of escorting, is that if you can't prove you've got an Oxbridge degree, then you must have been forced into it. Like those articles in the Sun where they've found a lapdancer who went to Cambridge. But if you're not as 'bright and articulate' as those people, then it reinforces the idea that you've been forced into it because you're thick. Not everyone can be bright and articulate. If you're not, it doesn't mean that you're a bad person, or incapable of making your own decisions, in fact many intelligent people I've known have been very poor at more 'practical' things.

Furthermore, no-one seems to be bothered about there being a whole country - or world for that matter - full of crappy, poorly paid jobs that people are forced into doing to make ends meet. This seems to be considered some sort of inevitable consequence of life, whereas the selling of sex is always labelled or insinuated to be a perversion of the natural order. Of course, in reality, the opposite is the case. All jobs should pay a living wage, and it is a deeply unnatural situation when the government subsidises literally millions of full-time jobs with benefits, and the selling of sex will always take place as long as money exists as a unit of exchange. If money doesn't exist, people will barter instead.

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I haven't watched the video, but I understand the point your making. And I know you're not guilty of the point I'm about to make, but...this is one of the things that annoys me about the perception of escorting, is that if you can't prove you've got an Oxbridge degree, then you must have been forced into it. Like those articles in the Sun where they've found a lapdancer who went to Cambridge. But if you're not as 'bright and articulate' as those people, then it reinforces the idea that you've been forced into it because you're thick. Not everyone can be bright and articulate. If you're not, it doesn't mean that you're a bad person, or incapable of making your own decisions, in fact many intelligent people I've known have been very poor at more 'practical' things.

Furthermore, no-one seems to be bothered about there being a whole country - or world for that matter - full of crappy, poorly paid jobs that people are forced into doing to make ends meet. This seems to be considered some sort of inevitable consequence of life, whereas the selling of sex is always labelled or insinuated to be a perversion of the natural order. Of course, in reality, the opposite is the case. All jobs should pay a living wage, and it is a deeply unnatural situation when the government subsidises literally millions of full-time jobs with benefits, and the selling of sex will always take place as long as money exists as a unit of exchange. If money doesn't exist, people will barter instead.

Under no circumstances do you need a college degree in order to be appreciated as bright and articulate and I firmly believe this.I am sure that we have all met very impressive people who have never seen the inside of a university. Indeed, there are many posters here that probably never saw 3rd level education but are more than capable of expressing their point of view in a persuasive manner . To sway public opinion,effective communication is important.

I certainly did not want to in any way knock the people in the clip but I still hold the view that the video would not win over many doubters and it is that goal to which I refer. Personally, I dont think it was a good idea to have MB seen making up the bed in the dim lit bedroom with the pink and red candles in the background. Why could her views have not been expressed in say the living room of a nice ordinary house , during daylight, with Rover happily running around the garden in the background ! You get my drift. Take the stereotype out of the frame if you can.

I did hear a radio piece by Krystal Champagne some months back -- very impressive !

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You get my drift. Take the stereotype out of the frame if you can.

Noticed that the punters/clients were completely overlooked. Or the only hint at the was in the street walker scenes. :rolleyes:

Still all portraid as long brown trench coat wearing perverts who visit girls in for hard core action in pvc and boandage gear.. according to the kirri bit.

The only blokes that popped up where 6ft chubby skinheads in the porn film bit......

Its not all roses on this side of the fence either JK. If it was we wouldn't have sites like this...

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Excellent Item, kudos to Mme Becky for the performance and to Five for carrying this.

Is this a sign of the new times ?

Broadcasting Companies no longer need to suck up to HH-crew and are now free to provide better coverage of sensitive topics ?

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Noticed that the punters/clients were completely overlooked. Or the only hint at the was in the street walker scenes. :rolleyes:

Still all portraid as long brown trench coat wearing perverts who visit girls in for hard core action in pvc and boandage gear.. according to the kirri bit.

The only blokes that popped up where 6ft chubby skinheads in the porn film bit......

Its not all roses on this side of the fence either JK. If it was we wouldn't have sites like this...

Ha, you are so right !!. Everyone seems happy to portray punters in the trench coat fashion, cruising around the streets leering at the street hookers. Like the Mumsnet ladies, people need to believe this stuff.Its like a defence mechanism. The Mumsnet ladies must feel really threatened by the ladies here-- quite understandable really !!

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Cumango, I am a mumsnet member and I certainly don't feel threatened by any of the women on here!Why on earth would.

No escort is going to tempt a man unless he wants to be tempted. Its not like you would stumble on an escort by mistake. You would have to go looking.

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Cumango, I am a mumsnet member and I certainly don't feel threatened by any of the women on here!Why on earth would.

No escort is going to tempt a man unless he wants to be tempted. Its not like you would stumble on an escort by mistake. You would have to go looking.

Opportunity. A man could be away on business ( he can be approached ), away on a golf , ski, rugby, football trip etc with the lads, massage, whatever. I never went off on my own bat to explore punting at the start . If it can happen to the likes of me, trust me, it can happen to anyone. I only read a few of the posts on mumsnet but I did think there was a certain smugness there but masking some fear and trepidation.

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Yes opportuinity does play a bit part I agree. If you are a man who who has these opportunities that you say AND he is ok with the idea of paying for sex then maybe.

Some are smug on mumsnet, but maybe the truly know their men and maybe they do not have such opportunities.

I do not see how anyone would feel threatened by escorts on here or anywhwere. The only threat is the man himself if he chooses to do something deceitful.

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And personally if my partner went on a stag wkend or if he had a job that took him away, he would be more likely to meet a regular woman than be approached or set up with a prostitute.

Other women aren't a threat to a relationship-the men themselves(if they decide to do something)are.

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And personally if my partner went on a stag wkend or if he had a job that took him away, he would be more likely to meet a regular woman than be approached or set up with a prostitute.

Other women aren't a threat to a relationship-the men themselves(if they decide to do something)are.

No I dont agree . I know you dont believe this but men see shagging a WG as only a misdemeanour, whilst you treat it as a felony. . There is a gulf of difference in the mindset of a married guy who might get tempted by the opportunity of a hooker and a married guy who sets out to have non paid sex. Hookers may not be a threat to a relationship but be wary of the non paid variety --- IMHO of course.

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