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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

Yeah a flat, is as it says a flat but normally accompanied by a 'maid' who answers all calls of enquiry, provides descriptions of girls and services over the phone, lets you into the premises (or doesnt as the case may be), introduces you to the girls, takes the cash....etc.......generally an intermediary between punter and wg.

As far as Im aware, independents generally are a '1-woman' operation, from phone call, to booking, to meet.

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Yeah a flat, is as it says a flat but normally accompanied by a 'maid' who answers all calls of enquiry, provides descriptions of girls and services over the phone, lets you into the premises (or doesnt as the case may be), introduces you to the girls, takes the cash....etc.......generally an intermediary between punter and wg.

As far as Im aware, independents generally are a '1-woman' operation, from phone call, to booking, to meet.

A flat as above is a flat and many independents work from a variety of premises - studios(flats), flats, apartments, houses etc. Agencies however may run 'flats' ie have a number of such properties that they let the girls on their books work from. This may be alone, may be with another girl, may be with a maid or not and the same girl or different girls may work from those flats at differing times. Some independents may chose to have a maid or someone else as security but generally, rule of thumb is a true independent manages all her affairs, does not work in conjunction with anyone else, being a 1-woman operation as above.

Complicated all this isn't it!

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Yeah a flat, is as it says a flat but normally accompanied by a 'maid' who answers all calls of enquiry, provides descriptions of girls and services over the phone, lets you into the premises (or doesnt as the case may be), introduces you to the girls, takes the cash....etc.......generally an intermediary between punter and wg.

As far as Im aware, independents generally are a '1-woman' operation, from phone call, to booking, to meet.

Some maids have also been known to join in the fun.

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So, a flat is actually a 'parlour' or a 'brothel' then? Or is it only a parlour or brothel when it's in a house rather than a flat? (honest question!)

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So, a flat is actually a 'parlour' or a 'brothel' then? Or is it only a parlour or brothel when it's in a house rather than a flat? (honest question!)

As far as I am concerned a flat is just that - ie. a flat. It may have one or more girls and may or may not have a maid and/or security.

Brothels are premises used by two or more prostitutes, either together or on separate days. Case law widens the definition but my definition usually suffices.

I would never call a flat in a residential block a parlour. It just doesn't sound right to me although I appreciate that in some areas that may be common.

Where I live parlours are usually on the high street with shop-fronts and signage saying "MASSAGE" or "SAUNA", but sometimes more discreet.

A flat may or may not be a brothel depending on the number of girls working there. A parlour almost certainly will be a brothel because more than one girl works there.

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A working Flat:

A provider working from a flat that is shared by other providers who may or may not be present at the time, might be working as individual providers sharing premises, they pay the costs of the flat and keep all their own money (which the law classes as a brothel/parlour) Or run by someone else that organises bookings, pays bills and takes a cut (also classed as a brothel/parlour).

Independent Flat:

A provider that works from a flat on their own, no one else works there at any time which is legal.

She probably advertised as such to let people know she is either legal or that they are alone without distractions of others running around in the distance.

S x

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I know of a 'working flat' where one woman takes a cut and all the calls etc, but they call it a flat, not a parlour or brothel. :unsure:

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I know of a 'working flat' where one woman takes a cut and all the calls etc, but they call it a flat, not a parlour or brothel. :unsure:

I thought in the eyes of the law they classed it as a parlour/brothel?

Feck knows then!

Hmm that is a point, if that woman who takes a cut, organises premises and work but has no other girls working for her what is it? A one woman parlour/brothel? The only person breaking the law is the organiser. Where as with the Indi's working together situation they all are?

Where the hell is Sasfan these days?

S x

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Where the hell is Sasfan these days?

S x

I was thinking that as well on another thread. Maybe there was a Chip Pan Fire at the Takeaway?

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I thought in the eyes of the law they classed it as a parlour/brothel?

Feck knows then!

Hmm that is a point, if that woman who takes a cut, organises premises and work but has no other girls working for her what is it? A one woman parlour/brothel? The only person breaking the law is the organiser. Where as with the Indi's working together situation they all are?

Where the hell is Sasfan these days?

S x

Parlour is not a legal term. The word is not used or defined in the Sexual Offences Act whereas the word "brothel" is used (but not defined).

Understandably people use the words "flat", "parlour" or "sauna" because of the illegality of brothels.

If she has girls working for her then she is "controlling for gain".If there is more than one girl working at the premises then she is "keeping or managing a brothel". Both are criminal offences.

If 2 or more girls work together from premises (without anyone else) then it's a brothel. The authorities may go after the one with the name on the lease or they may go after them jointly. Technically they may actually be controlling each other, if they take calls and bookings for the other if she is busy.

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I suppose I wasn't thinking of it in legal terms, more wondering why some places choose to call their venture a 'parlour' and some call what is essentially the same set up, a 'working flat'.

A friend of mine decided she wanted to get into the business a couple of years ago, She kept saying she wanted to work from a flat and I assumed she meant she wanted to be an indie and get a flat to work from. It hours before we realised we were talking at completely cross purposes.

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Where the hell is Sasfan these days?

S x

Vin Daloo suggested that here is sulking, which I am agree with. Sasfan does tend to go into sulkin mode and it can be for a long while. However I bet, that he will re-appear here again just before or on 12 of April 2011. (he likes Yury Gagarin also).

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Vin Daloo suggested that here is sulking, which I am agree with. Sasfan does tend to go into sulkin mode and it can be for a long while. However I bet, that he will re-appear here again just before or on 12 of April 2011. (he likes Yury Gagarin also).

He was to be seen on T'Other Place but he's now posting on PZone.He was there for the most of today. He's probably out delivering now. I hope that he keeps warm.

I agree - it would be nice to see him back.

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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

It's a separate and self-contained premises constructed or adapted for use for residential purposes and forming part of a building from some other part of which it is divided horizontally. But that's not important right now.

Sorry - I couldn't resist in tribute to Leslie Nielsen who died recently. :P

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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

I could say, no agency, completly independent, but work from a flat.

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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

The question shows another example of the extreme diversity of the game that the antis choose to ignore!

My opinions were formed in largely pre-internet times and I think of a "flat" as being (then) located via a no. in the Sport, usually in a somewhat run down are of town (often awaiting regeneration); occasionally in a housing association apartment block. The phone would be answered by a maid who said who was working today and gave a rather optimistic description.

The modern version would be run by the cheaper internet agencies and there are likely to be 2 or more rooms occupied at once. The over building of "luxury" buy to let blocks means it could now be better quality and a tad more discreet.

whichever the agency will not only be taking a booking fee but also charging the girl for the room, so this style of work needs a high turnover of clients.

Confusion in the term is caused by many totally Independent also working from flats or apartments, which may be their own homes or could be rented for purpose.

Either way there would be many more empty "buy to let" investments if the business were closed down.

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What are flats and how do they work? I know this prob seems like a stupid question to you, and don't try and me a smartarse obviously I know what a flat is lol, im talking about the term in the escort world, eg when an ad says "NO AGENCY, NO FLAT, COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT"

Flat is small private brothel which will have only 1 to 3 girls and a agent sort of person who will act as commercial manager. This places are supposedly more safer legally than brothels. Flats are prepared to be like a home and it is assumed that this is legally not a full brothel. However in terms of law they too can be considered brothels. So it is like trying to find a loophole in law which is not there (I mean for loophole and not for the law.)

I would like to add that legal terms a brothel is any place women are offering sexual services for money and there are atleast 2 of them at same time. So only if there is single girl in a flat offering service at a time then the place is not a brothel.

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Flat is small private brothel which will have only 1 to 3 girls and a agent sort of person who will act as commercial manager. This places are supposedly more safer legally than brothels. Flats are prepared to be like a home and it is assumed that this is legally not a full brothel. However in terms of law they too can be considered brothels. So it is like trying to find a loophole in law which is not there (I mean for loophole and not for the law.)

I would like to add that legal terms a brothel is any place women are offering sexual services for money and there are atleast 2 of them at same time. So only if there is single girl in a flat offering service at a time then the place is not a brothel.

I'd heard the definition was "at any time", so if one girls works there Monday/Wednesday and another Tuesday/Thursday then the place is a brothel.

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I'd heard the definition was "at any time", so if one girls works there Monday/Wednesday and another Tuesday/Thursday then the place is a brothel.

At any time if there is only 1 girl working, place is not classified as brothel. You can have different girls at different time. Also you can have 2 girls or more at same time provided only 1 girls is offering the services. Other girls can be present and be off duty. Yes legally it is not easy to prove all this.

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At any time if there is only 1 girl working, place is not classified as brothel. You can have different girls at different time. Also you can have 2 girls or more at same time provided only 1 girls is offering the services. Other girls can be present and be off duty. Yes legally it is not easy to prove all this.

I thought it waas 2 or more girls working from the smae premises in the same week classed it as a brothel?

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At any time if there is only 1 girl working, place is not classified as brothel. You can have different girls at different time. Also you can have 2 girls or more at same time provided only 1 girls is offering the services. Other girls can be present and be off duty. Yes legally it is not easy to prove all this.

Strawberry is correct. Two girls working (either together or on different days) constitutes a brothel-(Stevens v Christy [1987]).

Neither is it necessary for money to change hands - (Winter v Woolfe [1931]).

Contrary to what you suggest, it's actually quite easy for the police/CPS to prove that premises are a brothel even where the girls work different days.

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Strawberry is correct. Two girls working (either together or on different days) constitutes a brothel-(Stevens v Christy [1987]).

Neither is it necessary for money to change hands - (Winter v Woolfe [1931]).

Contrary to what you suggest, it's actually quite easy for the police/CPS to prove that premises are a brothel even where the girls work different days.

If I remember originally the Labour government was proposing making it legal for two women to work from the same premise as it would lead to greater safety. Then it was all change.

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