Mat469

Legally safe ways to punt

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I'm currently training for a job, that once qualified I will need to pass an "Enhanced Disclosure" criminal records check.

So I'm pretty sure that picking up street girls is a no-no for me as an arrest for kerb crawling would almost certainly show up.

But would it show up if I happened to be in a parlour that was raided by the police? or at an indies flat?

Can anyone shed any light on the matter? or suggest the safest way to go about an occasional punt without screwing up my future career

TIA

Matt

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Repeat after me "Google is my friend!!"

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=311 :)

That took two seconds.

Now, as using a prostitute for sex in return for money is not a criminal act so why would you ever be arrested or charged with anything? If you are not arrested or charged than why do you need to disclose anything?

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Repeat after me "Google is my friend!!"

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=311 :)

That took two seconds.

Now, as using a prostitute for sex in return for money is not a criminal act so why would you ever be arrested or charged with anything? If you are not arrested or charged than why do you need to disclose anything?

From that site

"Enhanced Disclosures contain the same information as the Standard Disclosure but with the addition of any relevant and proportionate information held by the local police forces."

Would the police consider being caught with your pants down when they raided a brothel as relevant ? From reports on here it seems that they take names and addresses of everyone present if they do raid a flat!

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The way to look at this is, how many guys do you think work for the company - or in general have seen a WG?If you did have your name taken by the Police, I doubt it would go on your record or even into their information system. The only use I could see them making use of it would be as a potential witness.

I wouldn't have thought being a witness would show up on a CRB check?I'm sure we've all been witness to some crime or another.

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The way to look at this is, how many guys do you think work for the company

It doesn't matter.

If the employer is covered by the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 then the information could be deemed to be relevant and could be a barrier to employment depending on the job role within that employer.

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The way to look at this is, how many guys do you think work for the company - or in general have seen a WG?If you did have your name taken by the Police, I doubt it would go on your record or even into their information system. The only use I could see them making use of it would be as a potential witness.

I wouldn't have thought being a witness would show up on a CRB check?I'm sure we've all been witness to some crime or another.

No - only if you've been arrested for something would it show up on any records. Don't think any other dalliance with the police would be recorded properly. There will be a witness statement with your name on it but it wouldn't show up on any official search on your name. I was a witness re: a WG who went missing in my area. Spoke to the police 3 times over a 5 year period but when the I had a run in with the police recently and they checked me out there was no match on my name even though they spoke to the exact police station where I'd given those statements. I've never been arrested, never had a parking ticket, and any CRB check would come back with that info. Same for the original poster as long as he sticks to parlours.

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i think there is a slightly higher risk using a parlour rather than an indie

a parlour is breaking the law as it is a brothel, so you could be said to be aiding and abetting. not sure if that has typeof prosecution ever been tried.

but if you see an indie, then no law is being broken. or if she comes to your home or hotel.

but pasrlour or indie, the punter commits no crime.

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No - only if you've been arrested for something would it show up on any records. Don't think any other dalliance with the police would be recorded properly. There will be a witness statement with your name on it but it wouldn't show up on any official search on your name. I was a witness re: a WG who went missing in my area. Spoke to the police 3 times over a 5 year period but when the I had a run in with the police recently and they checked me out there was no match on my name even though they spoke to the exact police station where I'd given those statements. I've never been arrested, never had a parking ticket, and any CRB check would come back with that info. Same for the original poster as long as he sticks to parlours.

I thought parking tickets are no-longer anything to do with the Police, so don't even get to them now!

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i think there is a slightly higher risk using a parlour rather than an indie

a parlour is breaking the law as it is a brothel, so you could be said to be aiding and abetting. not sure if that has typeof prosecution ever been tried.

but if you see an indie, then no law is being broken. or if she comes to your home or hotel.

but pasrlour or indie, the punter commits no crime.

aiding and abetting what? The crime the parlour commits is running a brothel and/or controlling prostitution for gain and most times money laundering if they've not been paying taxes. How is the punter aiding or abetting them in those crimes? Nothing to do with him. It becomes a brothel when punters turn up, but they're not aiding in the running of it or in the controlling of the girls or in the laundering of the proceeds. A patron of a restaurant that uses slave labour is not charged with aiding and abetting the owner in his law breaking.

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But would it show up if I happened to be in a parlour that was raided by the police? or at an indies flat?

An independent or agency girl, (1 single prostitute) provided she is over 18 or over, working from a flat, is doing nothing illegal in selling sex so your worrys are unfounded. Buying sex from an escort is also legal. Working in a brothel is also legal

Kerb crawling is against the law as is running an escort agency apparently (which suprised me seeing how openly they operate)

I should think you'd be OK but if in doubt keep to the letter of the law.

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in the future, once the new law has come into effect, steer clear if you suspect that someone has used psychological means to exploit the girl's vulnerability...

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You mean like the expectation of making a good living.........if a woman decides to start escort work because the DWP are about to cut her benefit after being out of work for 6 months, and it's something she thinks she can do - does that then make DWP guilty of psychological & financial manipulation?

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I think you are still safe with a CRB check if you have been arrested.

The check is to see if you have a criminal record, so if effect you need to have been convicted of a crime.

You may be arrested for kerb crawling but I believe if it is a first offence they just let you off with a warning. Though this would be deemed to be an offence.

Going to an indie or a parlour is not breaking the law so this is a pretty safe way to punt. True you might been done for aiding and abetting with a parlour but the chances are the police are after the parlour owners for something like trafficking or basically taking the piss out of the local community and making a nuisance of themselves.

I think you can punt in peace!:)

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I think you are still safe with a CRB check if you have been arrested.

The check is to see if you have a criminal record, so if effect you need to have been convicted of a crime.

You may be arrested for kerb crawling but I believe if it is a first offence they just let you off with a warning. Though this would be deemed to be an offence.

Warnings are contained in standard disclosures, along with convictions, cautions and reprimands.

Enhanced disclosures are more detailed, and my understanding is that they include anything the police deem to be relevant to the job role so can include any information they hold on you.

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simple answer is ONLY take money in cash with you when you go in to see a WG and ensure you have no ID or address stuff on you if searched.

Then if the place is entered and your asked your name/address have a false one so well rehearsed you can roll it out like its for real.

Then when you leave ensure you dont walk straight back to your car .

Go fff walk round the town and come back an hour later for the car

I only take cash in there with me.

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Warnings are contained in standard disclosures, along with convictions, cautions and reprimands.

Enhanced disclosures are more detailed, and my understanding is that they include anything the police deem to be relevant to the job role so can include any information they hold on you.

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This is my understanding also. I would advise the OP to punt only with Indies, less chance of getting nabbed IMO.:)

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If the OP has no criminal record for e.g. kerb crawling (the only activity for which a punter, under present law, is likley to get a criminal record) then there is surely no problem, except maybe in a job requiring security clearance--- i.e. govt post where vulnerability to blackmail is perceived as a concern. I seem to recall that the husband of the dominatrix who sold the Max Moseley story to the News of the World was sacked because he had not disclosed his wife's line of work

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I'm currently training for a job, that once qualified I will need to pass an "Enhanced Disclosure" criminal records check.

So I'm pretty sure that picking up street girls is a no-no for me as an arrest for kerb crawling would almost certainly show up.

But would it show up if I happened to be in a parlour that was raided by the police? or at an indies flat?

Can anyone shed any light on the matter? or suggest the safest way to go about an occasional punt without screwing up my future career

TIA

Matt

I am checked out once every three years by the CRB and this is why kerb crawling is something I would not risk. :)

Under current UK law it is not an offence to pay for sex so you do not commit an offence when you visit a brothel or an Indie.

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I think you are still safe with a CRB check if you have been arrested.

The check is to see if you have a criminal record, so if effect you need to have been convicted of a crime.

You may be arrested for kerb crawling but I believe if it is a first offence they just let you off with a warning. Though this would be deemed to be an offence.

Going to an indie or a parlour is not breaking the law so this is a pretty safe way to punt. True you might been done for aiding and abetting with a parlour but the chances are the police are after the parlour owners for something like trafficking or basically taking the piss out of the local community and making a nuisance of themselves.

I think you can punt in peace!:)

No they changed the whole system after Ian Huntley, he had multiple allegations on record of sex with underage girls which never showed up as he had never been convicted. Now, the idea is, that one allegation which was never pursued with is not necessarily revelant, but if you've been repeatedly accused by different people, and been arrested and questioned every time then that should be made available on an enhanced CRB check. In fact when it comes to working with kids even one relevant arrest would probably still be mentioned, in fact there was a case earlier this year, or last year where a teacher is suing because he can't now get a job as he was accused and arrested in relation to sexual assault on kids, and even though he was quickly cleared it's ruined his career.

In short a CRB check will show only convictions, but an enhanced CRB check can show anything they consider relevant that they have on record.

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which is why I mentioned the increased risk in a parlour. Because a crime is being committed (The owner is breaking the law, not the punter or the girl) then there is a risk of plod being interested.

and there is also the risk of other criminal activity in a parlour, perhaps drugs.

not sure it is a massive risk tho - but then nothing is absolute, is it?

I have to say I have never seen any evidence of criminal activity in any parlour. but then it is not perceptions you have to worry about is it, it is the plods.

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which is why I mentioned the increased risk in a parlour. Because a crime is being committed (The owner is breaking the law, not the punter or the girl) then there is a risk of plod being interested.

and there is also the risk of other criminal activity in a parlour, perhaps drugs.

not sure it is a massive risk tho - but then nothing is absolute, is it?

I have to say I have never seen any evidence of criminal activity in any parlour. but then it is not perceptions you have to worry about is it, it is the plods.

yes but since you're not breaking the law you'll simply be told to go away by the police. They'll take your details and check you out no doubt, but that would never show up on any CRB check, enhanced or otherwise.

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yes but since you're not breaking the law you'll simply be told to go away by the police. They'll take your details and check you out no doubt, but that would never show up on any CRB check, enhanced or otherwise.

The point is that they could do on an enhanced CRB check if deemed to be relevant (for example in a job involving children or vulnerable adults such as care leavers, and jobs in education where enhanced CRB checks are the norm regardless of role).

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plod may arrest you just to get your DNA for the database. Bet that shows up on enhanced CRB.

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Being on the DNA database actually could have it's plus points - firstly they've probably already checked you against any unsolved crimes, and secondly it could be used to prove you actually didn't do something that happens in the future.

However, all they've done is associate it with criminals, when lots of folk get arrested and are not charged nor found guilty of any offense.

In that instance it would be best to come clean with the employer, rather than have them wonder what you really got up to!

I know people who have gone into public contact roles, with a slighty muddy past - but they were honest about it, shown it was a silly mistake in the past or that they'd changed.

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