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Question For The 'miffed' Wgs On Here Re. The Praise Heaped On Oriental Wgs.

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With the somewhat heated exchanges taking place regarding this subject and ridiculous accusations of racism, misquotes aplenty and inaccurate, irrelevant and inappropriate comparisons and analogies, the question I ask the miffed wgs on here is this :

GENUINELY...... why do you think it is that a significant number of punters on here are constantly singing the praises and lauding the consistently high standards of service, regularly reported, and provided by Thai wgs, within a punting marketplace that, in London at least, is very multiracial ?

(and this is a serious question, yet I doubt I'll get very many serious, balanced answers)

Disclaimer : This question DOES NOT imply that ALL non-Thai wgs are 'crap', 'inferior' and providers of a poor, substandard service, nor does the questioner hold these opinions :rolleyes:

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i have never visited a thai WG so i wouldnt know what service they provide. i am just not as physically attracted to asian girls as i am to, say, white girls(is that racist?)

but, i think WGs are just very competitive and strong minded in their views. maybe they have to be to survive in the industry. alot of girls on here are very quick, too quick at times, to defend their parlour, their city, their age group etc, and now even their ethnic

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GENUINELY...... why do you think it is that a significant number of punters on here are constantly singing the praises and lauding the consistently high standards of service, regularly reported, and provided by Thai wgs, within a punting marketplace that, in London at least, is very multiracial ?

Interesting thread. As a punter my assumption of Thai women and the constant praise is that they seem to me as very subjugated and subordinate in their own country. It follows they will be very obediant and cheaper sex machines in London or wherever they are banded about by their 'agents'. Now this may suit down to the ground a punter who likes to feel in control of a woman and who otherwise may find his British WG very head-strong and dominant or at least more powerful.

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I humbly suggest that you buy into a myth with Thai women, that they prefer the older man, that they show respect to men, that they are subservient and submissive. And I think that Thai women are very good at selling that myth to men.

What astonishes me is the sheer number of Thais in London punterland at the moment. When you Google London escort you are knee deep in Thais and Eastern Europeans. It seems the true English escort is being muscled out of the market.

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05.37am don't tell me you just finished with your Thai women and this was still playing on your mind :P

Never said anything about Thai woman not being extremely fabulous at what they do just as many non Thai woman are extremely fabulous at what they do (ya see that is the bit you can't seem to comprehend) There are bad-fantastic service providers in all industries.

There are much more or at least as many men that sing the praises of non Thai woman, but in the process they do not manage to get into every post or sentance how inferior their non preference is...............Bill me laddo, you see it is not Thai woman that is getting up my nose here......I think you know what is tho :lol:

Anyway got a busy day then out for Xmas have a good one all x

S x

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i have never visited a thai WG so i wouldnt know what service they provide. i am just not as physically attracted to asian girls as i am to, say, white girls(is that racist?)

but, i think WGs are just very competitive and strong minded in their views. maybe they have to be to survive in the industry. alot of girls on here are very quick, too quick at times, to defend their parlour, their city, their age group etc, and now even their ethnic

I couldn't give a stuff. In my time on here I've learned that as long as I'm doing ok it doesn't matter what size, age or ethnicity some posters prefer. I'm told I'm old at 35, have been considered 'fat' by my size(which is silly since being athletic I have a low bodyfat whatever my measurements) which is now somewhere between a 10 and a 12 and fitter than most people, oh and because I don't plaster my face everywhere I'm not worth seeing.

I still make a good living out of this, and enjoy meeting the guys who do like me.

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Bill we do tend to go on and on about Asian girls it's a bit too much in your face. I really don't think Thai girls would feel comfortable if we joined a Thai escort forum and kept posting about how good European girls were. And by the way when I was in Thailand years ago, all the Thai guys could not get enough of European adult videos because they all preferred European girls.

Also in Thailand I did notice that women are "trained" to look after men. I could not get used to sitting with a bunch of ordinary girls (not escorts) in a restaurant and having them keep pouring my drinks and even feeding me titbits from the table in my mouth. So yes I suppose for us its nice to be treated that way for a change. Not sure I would want to live like that though.

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I'm not one of the 'miffed' ladies referred to (I assume) as I've not commented on this before :)

I do not think it's racist to have a preference for one race over another, any more than it is sexist to be straight or gay rather than bisexual. Sexual preferences are complicated and while some may be genetic and others caused by the social environment, they aren't conscious choices.

However, I do think it's racist and/or sexist when men say things like "oriental ladies are more submissive". Think they're prettier, I won't be offended (I'm getting enough work - and up here in Newcastle there don't seem to be many non-white ladies at all that I've noticed), but don't apply a personality trait to a race - the colour of your skin and the shape of your features don't effect your personality. Culture, however, can do, so women from certain cultures may well be more submissive. However, with that, you have to ask why they are that way? If it is because their culture is oppressive towards women, or expects them to be subservient to men, should you be buying into that - or perhaps should you be encouraging them to speak up for themselves more and enjoy the freedom that our culture allows them? Personally I would not feel it was ethical to expect a woman who had come to this country to hold onto traditions from her home country whether she wanted to or not, purely to fit an ideal of how an 'exotic' foreign woman should behave.

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I humbly suggest that you buy into a myth with Thai women, that they prefer the older man, that they show respect to men, that they are subservient and submissive. And I think that Thai women are very good at selling that myth to men.

What astonishes me is the sheer number of Thais in London punterland at the moment. When you Google London escort you are knee deep in Thais and Eastern Europeans. It seems the true English escort is being muscled out of the market.

:lol: I humbly suggest it is YOU who is buying into a myth about the type of man who appreciates Oriental women

I am not an 'older man'

I am not at all turned on by submissive, subservient women, in fact the total opposite is true - Im truly turned on by strong, smart, independent women who still retain a soft, feminine and nurturing side. The last thing I want is a kow-towing doormat with no opinions of her own.

I, unlike you it also seems, never bought into the myth of 'the submissive Asian woman', and as yet have not encountered one, I'm very happy to say.

I for one am all for female empowerment and genuine feminism, not the brand so often sold and practised in the West that equates 'girl-power' with laddishness, drunkenness, loutishness, rudeness, 'man-bashing, a total absence of femininity and a "fk you I can do whatever the hell I want" attitude.

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Interesting thread. As a punter my assumption of Thai women and the constant praise is that they seem to me as very subjugated and subordinate in their own country. It follows they will be very obediant and cheaper sex machines in London or wherever they are banded about by their 'agents'. Now this may suit down to the ground a punter who likes to feel in control of a woman and who otherwise may find his British WG very head-strong and dominant or at least more powerful.

Totally false as far as my own preferences go, and as far as my experience tells me.

Headstrong, independent and strong women who can be dominant if they need to be, yet who are also soft, feminine and nurturing 'do it' for me every time, and that is pretty much my ideal woman......and that description pretty much defines my current partner who just so happens to be Japanese (total coincidence I'm sure).

I have no desire at all to control any woman and find women who 'take control' themselves as incredibly attractive and desirable.

I just dont get this 'submissive' thing either that posters keep referring to.

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I for one am all for female empowerment and genuine feminism, not the brand so often sold and practised in the West that equates 'girl-power' with laddishness, drunkenness, loutishness, rudeness, 'man-bashing, a total absence of femininity and a "fk you I can do whatever the hell I want" attitude.

Wow, some wasp must have really stuck it to at some time or other, Bill, Im glad you have risen above it and not taken it personally !

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Wow, some wasp must have really stuck it to at some time or other, Bill, Im glad you have risen above it and not taken it personally !

Not at all........I'm talking about the mainstream media brand of 'feminism', often touted and seemingly often subscribed to

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Does anyone know if many Thia ladies tend to be Bi or do they know of any? This is a genuine question because its something I really would like to sample myself...

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i have never visited a thai WG so i wouldnt know what service they provide. i am just not as physically attracted to asian girls as i am to, say, white girls(is that racist?)

Me too!

Is it true, or is this a myth also, that many Asian WG's haven't always been girls? :unsure:

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Me too!

Is it true, or is this a myth also, that many Asian WG's haven't always been girls? :unsure:

In Thailand, as a general rule, if you see someone who is impossibly beautiful with a a big top rack then you're probably looking at a ladyboy.

Always very amusing to see drunken foreigners taking them back to their hotel rooms.

I myself am still suspicious about a gogo dancer I met out there, mostly because she was called Ben.

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Personally I find this rather a banal and pointless thread started by a member who has, for whatever reason, allowed one other poster to get under his skin to what appears to me to be an obsessive degree. From what I have seen of the previous posts to which he alludes the great majority of the heat in the discussion has been generated from one directiion.

We go on at great length and repetitively on this board about a wide number of subjects, one poster's views will often be criticised, fairly or othwise, by another, and some of us have spats which, with over-reaction, can turn into fueds which many others of us find rather boring.

Mo advice to the OP would be get over it, move on, post to his heart's content at whatever length on any subject within the general rules of the board, and if someone you don't know and will never meet doesn't like your posting style, ignore them - does it really matter in the greater scheme of things?

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Personally I find this rather a banal and pointless thread started by a member who has, for whatever reason, allowed one other poster to get under his skin to what appears to me to be an obsessive degree. From what I have seen of the previous posts to which he alludes the great majority of the heat in the discussion has been generated from one directiion.

We go on at great length and repetitively on this board about a wide number of subjects, one poster's views will often be criticised, fairly or othwise, by another, and some of us have spats which, with over-reaction, can turn into fueds which many others of us find rather boring.

Mo advice to the OP would be get over it, move on, post to his heart's content at whatever length on any subject within the general rules of the board, and if someone you don't know and will never meet doesn't like your posting style, ignore them - does it really matter in the greater scheme of things?

Then why comment ?

Take your own advice and ignore it - particularly since the title makes it clear that it isnt directed at or concerning you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: !

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Does anyone know if many Thia ladies tend to be Bi or do they know of any? This is a genuine question because its something I really would like to sample myself...

I can't answer your question but if you are into sensual sex then I'm sure you will really enjoy an encounter. I have bought some nuru gel for my GF and myself and I was showing her a video of an asian girl going through the whole routine with a European blonde girl and my GF got really turned on :D I also noted that the Asian girl was much more sensual with the other girl than she was with the men she serviced. With the men she moved faster, used more force and generally did not seem to connect as well.

Of course then when my GF watched her with two men she really got turned on imagining herself to be the Asian girl :D :D

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Then why comment ?

Take your own advice and ignore it - particularly since the title makes it clear that it isnt directed at or concerning you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: !

I haven't really been following this but the comment made is consistent with the general sycophantic reply of that poster when it comes to a WG disagreeing with another punter.

Back to your point though:

"GENUINELY...... why do you think it is that a significant number of punters on here are constantly singing the praises and lauding the consistently high standards of service, regularly reported, and provided by Thai wgs, within a punting marketplace that, in London at least, is very multiracial ?"

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Based on my experience, I have seen a number of Thai WGs and the service has always been excellent. The ones I saw I found to be generally more submissive and pretty much anything, within reason goes. Now this approach contrasts with the harsher attitude you can get with SOME Eastern European girls. I have seen a couple of English escorts and they have been average/good. This does not lead me to conclude that the English ones are poor or inferior.

So the reason I believe that punters laud the consistent high standards of service from Thai WGs is because that is what they have experienced. Saying that, my last few punts have been with Eastern European girls and they have all been excellent and I prefer this now to the Thai girls.

Its about preference I guess. I'm bored of Thai girls now and my preference is for younger hot Eastern European girls. I don't see many English ones that I find attractive in the age group I prefer.

For me this is about variety so if I do find some hot British WGs that are recommended and not miles away then I'll give them a go.

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I haven't really been following this but the comment made is consistent with the general sycophantic reply of that poster when it comes to a WG disagreeing with another punter.

yeah, I know - he does so much ass kissing he should most likely be charged an hourly rate for it :lol:

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i have never visited a thai WG so i wouldnt know what service they provide. i am just not as physically attracted to asian girls as i am to, say, white girls(is that racist?)

Of course not, no more than if you prefer brunettes over blondes, different strokes for different folks, that is why there is a market for us all.

Same as a girl that says she will not see whoever because she does not find them attractive is not a racist it is her right as it is her body.

I for one am all for female empowerment and genuine feminism, not the brand so often sold and practised in the West that equates 'girl-power' with laddishness, drunkenness, loutishness, rudeness, 'man-bashing, a total absence of femininity and a "fk you I can do whatever the hell I want" attitude.

There he goes with his stereotyping again, lol! I think you have been watching too much Little Britain, you seem to have Vicky Pollard in mind,

Tell me is Ting Tong from Tooting a stereotype also?

Its about preference I guess. I'm bored of Thai girls now and my preference is for younger hot Eastern European girls. I don't see many English ones that I find attractive in the age group I prefer.

For me this is about variety so if I do find some hot British WGs that are recommended and not miles away then I'll give them a go.

Exactly we all have them every single one of us, something can be taken from whoever from wherever, it all depends on what flavour you want at the time, just because someone eats a particular brand all the time does not make their brand necessarily superior. Bleating on about how Heinz is better than Watties does not make it necessarily so to everyone else.

S x

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Interesting thread. As a punter my assumption of Thai women and the constant praise is that they seem to me as very subjugated and subordinate in their own country. It follows they will be very obediant and cheaper sex machines in London or wherever they are banded about by their 'agents'. Now this may suit down to the ground a punter who likes to feel in control of a woman and who otherwise may find his British WG very head-strong and dominant or at least more powerful.

Well-intended comment no doubt, and sure to receive applause from the indigenous WGs here, but total rubbish. :P

Few women on earth are more independent that the Thais, especially in their homeland - they not only rule the roost but they also tend to be far better small entrepreneurs than their spouses. This situation often is obscured for reasons of 'face' in public, but behind closed doors 'watch out for Mama'. Thai women often have innate psychological skills that western PhDs spend years trying to approximate. The Thai WGs here in London are not really representative of Thai WGs in the Land of Smiles, let alone Thai womanhood in general. They are 'playing away', on unfamiliar turf, and behave more hesitantly than they would when playing at home. Where you would be correct would be in labeling western punters as putty in Thai hands, but most of us (and Bill is a prime example) recognise this and, like puppy dogs, roll over on our backs and let them scratch our tummies. It's fun! Little deception is involved; more likely, collusion - but it seems to work well for both the party of the first part and the party of the second part, hence the large number of oriental fanciers that enjoy sharing tales with each other on Punternet. Those disinterested in this topic certainly can find a plethora of innocuous threads on other topics on the Punternet boards to satisfy their compulsive posting needs. :rolleyes:

Edited by Tiggy 7

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I couldn't give a stuff. In my time on here I've learned that as long as I'm doing ok it doesn't matter what size, age or ethnicity some posters prefer. I'm told I'm old at 35, have been considered 'fat' by my size(which is silly since being athletic I have a low bodyfat whatever my measurements) which is now somewhere between a 10 and a 12 and fitter than most people, oh and because I don't plaster my face everywhere I'm not worth seeing.

I still make a good living out of this, and enjoy meeting the guys who do like me.

Amen! I think that there is plenty of business out there for everyone, and no reason or need for anyone to look for or accept anything other than what he thinks he wants (okay, I live in London and I appreciate that the choice is wider here than elsewhere). English ladies can be great and Thai ladies can be crap (rarely), but it is up to the punter to decide what he wants and not settle for less, not just in ethnic terms but also in service terms. I would agree with you that some of my oriental- fancying brethren take too much pleasure in slagging off English ladies, and English ladies (and THEIR fanciers) too often needlessly rise to the bait, to wit, young Vulva Sailor. To the punter who knows what he likes and wants and to the WG who knows what she likes and wants, it is mostly just water over the dam. Very little need for anyone to be or feel defensive :)

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Does anyone know if many Thia ladies tend to be Bi or do they know of any? This is a genuine question because its something I really would like to sample myself...

Interesting question, Holly. The Thais tend to be a very androgynous lot and span a much wider spectrum than simply XX-XY. 'Ladyboys' don't do it for me but those in Thailand can be absolutely beautiful and can defy identification unless you look VERY closely. Some Thai men can seem rather effeminate but still marry and raise families. Thai women certainly can be very 'close' with each other and can be quite affectionate, but how many of them are truly 'bi'? For that matter, how many of them are actually 'lesbian'? It is always curious to note the reactions that ripple throughout a go-go bar when the occasional female couple walks in and bellies up to the bar. Some 'butch', others seemingly very feminine. Some of the dancing girls will head for them (women can be better tippers than men, I gather), other girls will steer a wide berth. My current Thai 'mia noi' has two brothers who are ladyboys and no one in the family seems to be bothered about it, one way or another. When I visit, I try to leave my western attitudes at home and to be as non-judgmental as possible. It's their country and their culture. "Don't ask, don't tell' will never be an issue in Thailand. :)

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Well-intended comment no doubt, and sure to receive applause from the indigenous WGs here, but total rubbish. :P

Few women on earth are more independent that the Thais, especially in their homeland - they not only rule the roost but they also tend to be far better small entrepreneurs than their spouses. This situation often is obscured for reasons of 'face' in public, but behind closed doors 'watch out for Mama'. Thai women often have innate psychological skills that western PhDs spend years trying to approximate. The Thai WGs here in London are not really representative of Thai WGs in the Land of Smiles, let alone Thai womanhood in general. They are 'playing away', on unfamiliar turf, and behave more hesitantly than they would when playing at home. Where you would be correct would be in labeling western punters as putty in Thai hands, but most of us (and Bill is a prime example) recognise this and, like puppy dogs, roll over on our backs and let them scratch our tummies. It's fun! Little deception is involved; more likely, collusion - but it seems to work well for both the party of the first part and the party of the second part, hence the large number of oriental fanciers that enjoy sharing tales with each other on Punternet. Those disinterested in this topic certainly can find a plethora of innocuous threads on other topics on the Punternet boards to satisfy their compulsive posting needs. :rolleyes:

Very well put Tiggy :) !

I only became really pi**ed off when York accused me of being a racist hypocrite and then used misquotes, untruths about what I supposedly said and quotes out of context - continually ignoring the points where I hammered home the fact that I definitely DO NOT believe that ALL western wgs provide poor service - and she still continues to ignore this point even after I've reiterated it countless times.

She's irritating in the same way that 'Lindilala' is - ignoring anything that counters her argument and once her mind is made up, possessing a pathological inability to properly listen to or read an opinion.

I also immediately sensed that strength and independence you mention, as being inherent in many Thai women, and I never bought into that submissive/subservient myth in the first place, nor would I want it to be true - I realise it for the bs that it is.

Edited by BillGoldberg

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