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Bbc News Chanel Coverage On The Sex Industry

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There is a program about the sex industry that will be aired on the BBC news channel very shortly.

It runs on four dates, starting 2130 on New Year’s Eve

31/12/10 2130

01/01/11 2330

02/01/11 0230

03/01/11 2030

The documentary will be previewed on BBC News on Tuesday 28 December from Breakfast onwards. There will be additional coverage nationally on Radio 4's Today programme and regionally on Radio 5 Live's Derbyshire Programme, together with a news-style piece on the BBC website.

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Should be interesting. I notice that almost all programs on the sex industry is usually very bias and only focus on the illegal side of it like trafficking and disease.

Whats this documentary called?

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Should be interesting. I notice that almost all programs on the sex industry is usually very bias and only focus on the illegal side of it like trafficking and disease.

Whats this documentary called?

Britain's Prostitutes - Life on the Edge

A look at the dangers faced by women working as prostitutes in Britain. After the murders of three sex workers in Bradford, Chris Buckler speaks to women who continue to work on the streets despite the dangers.

Looks like the same old same old.....

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Britain's Prostitutes - Life on the Edge

A look at the dangers faced by women working as prostitutes in Britain. After the murders of three sex workers in Bradford, Chris Buckler speaks to women who continue to work on the streets despite the dangers.

Looks like the same old same old.....

Right so an area thats banned on punternet (for obvious reasons". So nothing to do with Indies, Agencies or parlours. Yet typical "painting with the same brush"

There is a reason why the street scene is banned on here. Do you think that'll get mentioned?

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Right so an area thats banned on punternet (for obvious reasons". So nothing to do with Indies, Agencies or parlours. Yet typical "painting with the same brush"

There is a reason why the street scene is banned on here. Do you think that'll get mentioned?

The 'street scene' not only will get mentioned, it will be the centerpiece of the expose'. If it's not, it will come as a pleasant surprise to it all. Any programme or article that accurately explains the complexity of the punting world and shows some understanding of the various participants in it, including their working conditions, their motivation, the dangers they face and the satisfactions (or not) that they receive, has to be welcome. None of us here expect a round of applause for our actions and behavior, but we DO get tired of being slagged off by slippery politicians, media hacks, extreme feminists and others with an agenda that has nothing to do with the welfare of WGs and a lot to do with sexual hypocrisy.

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BBC is biased to the leftward leaning so will continute to promote the harman line that all WGs are all drugged co-erced & trafficked.

they are a waste of space.

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BBC is biased to the leftward leaning so will continute to promote the harman line that all WGs are all drugged co-erced & trafficked.

they are a waste of space.

Yes it will probably contain much about the street scene, but will be asking why brothels are not allowed.

I listened to the Live 5 program today, which was the taster for this program and was very pleasantly surprised. The interviewer interviewing Catherine Stephens did well, and the 'negative questions' were used to tease out positive responses from Catherine). It was a positive interview.

In the phone later in the interviewer gave the councillor who had gone on raids with the police, a very severe grilling and one could have said the interview was stongly biased in support of the sex industry, and borthels operating..

I hope the program will be similar, much of todays BBC reporting has been very positive to deciminalisation and allowing women to work safley.

I hope I won't be proved wrong, but there may be a change in the way the BBC is reporting the sex industry.

Yes the program will be centered on harm reduction and street work, but its got to be because Stephen Griffiths has been imprisoned, the ACPO have come out in favour of the excellant scheme of Ugly Mugs and wants that to go nation wide. There have been announcments from the UKNSWP about this scheme which is now waiting on funding. Ugly Mugs is not just about street workers, but also about reporting between brothels, and would also include independent escorts. Finally when the police start to ask for the prostitution laws to be looked at again ..... the BBC will start to listen.

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please tell us more about Ugly Mugs...

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BBC is biased to the leftward leaning so will continute to promote the harman line that all WGs are all drugged co-erced & trafficked.

I never understood why prostitution is counter to the left-wing agenda. Prostitution redistributes wealth from rich to poor, from men to women, from old to young, and from first world to third world.

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I never understood why prostitution is counter to the left-wing agenda. Prostitution redistributes wealth from rich to poor, from men to women, from old to young, and from first world to third world.

cos the left are statists. they want the state to run everything. and prostitution is firmly free enterprise so must be controlled.

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cos the left are statists. they want the state to run everything. and prostitution is firmly free enterprise so must be controlled.

This is a generalisation, similar to all feminists are anti sex work. That is not the case and many feminists are supportive of sex work and sex workers. Feminists like Germain Greer have said Sex work is better than stacking shelves. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/brooke-magnanti-belle-de-jour

Its the same with left, there are many Marxists who are supportive of sex work and sex worker, I have met and spoken with many. The Liberal Democrat party is supportive of sex workers. Some left wingers may not be so supportive of the pimps and controllers who are earning money of the backs of the sex workers, as this is an employer/employee relationship. The labour party has been high jacked by the radical anti sex work feminists, and left wing men have become apologists to these RASWFs. For left wing organisations which support sex workers, look no further than the GMB union who have a sex worker branch

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please tell us more about Ugly Mugs...

This explains the good practice which is executed in Liverpool.

http://www.uknswp.org/resources%5CGPG1.pdf

It is mainly for street workers. There are proposals for a country wide scheme, hence the press interest and the police interest. The nationwide scheme would likely be more inclusive.

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I am under the impression that in many countries the leftists (the moderate left that is) are the ones more lenient towards prostitution. When the left were in power in the Netherlands they legalised prostitution, as did Germany when the left were in power. And look what Labour were planning to do before radfem infiltration in 2004 after the "Paying the Price" consultation. http://www.historyandpolicy.org/papers/policy-paper-46.html

It's normally the right who get self-righteous about prostitution, and I'm ashamed of this being a right winger myself who believes in free market enterprise. I think the right sometimes get too corrupted by religious ideas that are unprovable and made by people looking after their own agenda and trying to hold on to their own power and influence regardless of the consequences.

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I am under the impression that in many countries the leftists (the moderate left that is) are the ones more lenient towards prostitution. When the left were in power in the Netherlands they legalised prostitution, as did Germany when the left were in power. And look what Labour were planning to do before radfem infiltration in 2004 after the "Paying the Price" consultation. http://www.historyandpolicy.org/papers/policy-paper-46.html

It's normally the right who get self-righteous about prostitution, and I'm ashamed of this being a right winger myself who believes in free market enterprise. I think the right sometimes get too corrupted by religious ideas that are unprovable and made by people looking after their own agenda and trying to hold on to their own power and influence regardless of the consequences.

Thank fuck we dont have red neck bible belt religeous nuters in our politics like they have in the US.

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I'm going to watch this tonight. That's my exciting New Year lol :lol:

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I'm going to watch this tonight. That's my exciting New Year lol :lol:

The program was always going to be on street work and the ugly mugs scheme, as I mentioned earlier, but it did bring in brothels and agency work though saying how they were safer but basically illegal. In the context of Bradford , and what Liverpool is doing it was a very fair program bringing up the issues of the illegality of brothels and agencies. Use of red light districts to remove street prostitution from residential areas. Yes I am sure we would want more exposure on the positives of independent sex workers and agency workers. That though really was not the reason of the program.

Simon Byrne from APCO who made some very pragmatic comments on red light districts and brothels. He was introduced as ACPO lead for prostitution & sexual exploitation, and therefore is talking for ACPO and not himself. The nationwide scheme for an ugly mugs scheme, including a national database and access for any sex worker is not a great amount, and would be considerably less than investigating the death of one sex worker who was killed.

The commentator was very explicit in saying street sex workers when mentioning drug addiction.

Not once was Sweden, Iceland, Norway mentioned.

Great that I can put a face to Shelly Stoops, Rosie Campbell and Catherine Stephens.

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The program was always going to be on street work and the ugly mugs scheme, as I mentioned earlier, but it did bring in brothels and agency work though saying how they were safer but basically illegal. In the context of Bradford , and what Liverpool is doing it was a very fair program bringing up the issues of the illegality of brothels and agencies. Use of red light districts to remove street prostitution from residential areas. Yes I am sure we would want more exposure on the positives of independent sex workers and agency workers. That though really was not the reason of the program.

Simon Byrne from APCO who made some very pragmatic comments on red light districts and brothels. He was introduced as ACPO lead for prostitution & sexual exploitation, and therefore is talking for ACPO and not himself. The nationwide scheme for an ugly mugs scheme, including a national database and access for any sex worker is not a great amount, and would be considerably less than investigating the death of one sex worker who was killed.

The commentator was very explicit in saying street sex workers when mentioning drug addiction.

Not once was Sweden, Iceland, Norway mentioned.

Great that I can put a face to Shelly Stoops, Rosie Campbell and Catherine Stephens.

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I take your point, elrond, about the main focus of the programme being on street prostitution; nevertheless, I feel the presentation of the subject, and the tenor of the programme, was so dark and downbeat that it will probably make a pretty negative contribution to public consideration of the issue. I'm afraid I think that Trish Godman's supporters will have loved it.

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I take your point, elrond, about the main focus of the programme being on street prostitution; nevertheless, I feel the presentation of the subject, and the tenor of the programme, was so dark and downbeat that it will probably make a pretty negative contribution to public consideration of the issue. I'm afraid I think that Trish Godman's supporters will have loved it.

I disagree. TG supporters should be in fear. When ACPO start to suggest looking at the law, and allowing brothels and designated zones there definitely seems to me a chance for change. Added to that the majority of the country accept prostitution. (as long as you don;t read the Sun)

No where in the program was a suggestion of criminalisation. Even the Bradford police in their clamp down on street prostitution see this a losing battle. The comment 'why do men risk all for a 5 minute fumble' says it all to me. As Catherine said, not sure it was in the program, or on Five Live, there have been laws to ban soliciting for 50 years and kerb crawling for 25 years. These have failed to stop street prostitution,

ACPO see how much this will cost in these austere times and are looking for for savings. Patrolling the streets of Liverpool to stop kerb crawlers and Bradford is costly. They will do it for a while, the problem will move, the police stop patrolling and back it all comes. Far less cost to have a nation wide ugly mugs scheme, allow brothels and have a designated red light district where safety is provided by CCTV and NGOs, and services to help street workers out of the spiral of drug addiction and prostitution can be achieved with less resources. The big saving then comes in that the police won't have to be patrolling large areas of residential areas to move sex workers on.

Reality is beginning to hit home..

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I disagree. TG supporters should be in fear. When ACPO start to suggest looking at the law, and allowing brothels and designated zones there definitely seems to me a chance for change. Added to that the majority of the country accept prostitution. (as long as you don;t read the Sun)

No where in the program was a suggestion of criminalisation. Even the Bradford police in their clamp down on street prostitution see this a losing battle. The comment 'why do men risk all for a 5 minute fumble' says it all to me. As Catherine said, not sure it was in the program, or on Five Live, there have been laws to ban soliciting for 50 years and kerb crawling for 25 years. These have failed to stop street prostitution,

ACPO see how much this will cost in these austere times and are looking for for savings. Patrolling the streets of Liverpool to stop kerb crawlers and Bradford is costly. They will do it for a while, the problem will move, the police stop patrolling and back it all comes. Far less cost to have a nation wide ugly mugs scheme, allow brothels and have a designated red light district where safety is provided by CCTV and NGOs, and services to help street workers out of the spiral of drug addiction and prostitution can be achieved with less resources. The big saving then comes in that the police won't have to be patrolling large areas of residential areas to move sex workers on.

Reality is beginning to hit home..

Sorry, yes, I did mean to mention on the police side I think that because they're dealing with the issues on a daily basis they often show a more realistic and constructive attitude than politicans, who have at least one eye on how they'll be reported in the Daily Mail and the Scotsman.

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I've now had a chance to watch this documentary.

The highlights were Catherine Stephens explaining the difficulty sex workers have in trusting the current law due to it's being so two-faced, and Simon Byrne implying it's now time to have a debate to consider legalising brothels and setting up tolerance zones for street workers.

The low points may not be low points as I have little knowledge of the street scene. There was a female police officer who was in favour of the demand side of street prostitution being tackled. Also, I have little idea about whether the streetgirls in Bradford really are all on drugs working to feed their drug habit, and there's no way I can tell whether the woman, who had her back to the camera all the time, was a genuine street worker or just an actress paid to say that every single prostitute working the streets of Bradford had a drug habit and was working just to satisfy it otherwise there was no way they would have sex with any of the punters. It did sound a bit absolutist though.

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Is there a possiblity that pimps get the girls hooked on heroin and then the girls are all theirs since they also supply the WGs with the drugs, so it become a pussy 4 crack relationship?

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I've now had a chance to watch this documentary.

The highlights were Catherine Stephens explaining the difficulty sex workers have in trusting the current law due to it's being so two-faced, and Simon Byrne implying it's now time to have a debate to consider legalising brothels and setting up tolerance zones for street workers.

The low points may not be low points as I have little knowledge of the street scene. There was a female police officer who was in favour of the demand side of street prostitution being tackled. Also, I have little idea about whether the streetgirls in Bradford really are all on drugs working to feed their drug habit, and there's no way I can tell whether the woman, who had her back to the camera all the time, was a genuine street worker or just an actress paid to say that every single prostitute working the streets of Bradford had a drug habit and was working just to satisfy it otherwise there was no way they would have sex with any of the punters. It did sound a bit absolutist though.

This seems a somewhat overly cynical view, and not a level to which I think the BBC would stoop in a serious documentary thread. Even if what the girl said isn't true, I've met my fair share of hookers whio had then element of the drama queen about them, and maybe her comments contained more than an element of self-justification.

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Forgive my cynicism but in an episode of the Trisha show a few year's back they got caught using an actor to pretend he used to sexually abused rent boy in order to have some anti-prostitution content during a debate. I didn't say the woman was definitely an actress, just that there was no way I could tell, and I think it fair comment to bring it up bearing in mind what happened in that episode of the Trisha show. Whatever, her purported facts sounded unsafe to me as I felt they sounded too extreme, but that's just me, everyone is free to feel how they want to about what level they accept whether what she said is true or not.

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