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I have read many distortions of the truth about prostitution over the years, but I came across one newspaper article recently that really was the worst. It comes from the Guardian in 2003 and is by Polly Toynbee. It is called Sexual Dealing.

These are the offending passages:-

The trade has got worse, according to Clubs and Vice police: "The women have to do things now they didn't a few years ago. Before no one would do anal, now they all have to. No one would do unprotected, now most do and men demand it, God knows why. Women all have to take pain now - caning, whipping - but that used to be just specialist."

It's not prudishness but decent feminism to say prostitution is a filthy trade that exploits the poor, the disturbed, the addicts and other helpless women. The many men who pay to near-rape women must often deliberately turn a blind eye to blatant cruelty and violence in the transaction.

I have experience of a wide variety of WGs and for nearly all of them anal is not on offer. Unprotected sex is not on offer. It is rare to find a WG who will do oral without a condom. Light spanking is rarely on offer but caning and whipping are rare and specialist services where pain is minimized.

It looks like Clubs and Vice have just made up that statement. It is immoral for a public body to try to manipulate public opinion by propaganda like this. It certainly isn't true that they all have to do it. It's also wrong for a journalist to just believe something without checking information.

What I would like to know from contributors of this forum is what is your experience. I've got a feeling that for the most expensive and least expensive WGs sometimes anal sex or unprotected sex are sometimes available. I saw a documentary where they took hidden cameras into a suburban or rural brothel in England and the man was offered sex without a condom but I think he would have had to pay double.

Perhaps for a rich man anything is on offer for a price. The poorest women might be so desperate that they will do anything. That's not my experience, but other people might know differently.

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It is an very old article and just reading through it, I saw that the Eaves Project is involved which explains everything. There have been many similar/rubbish articles since.

They have a tendecy to twist the truth slightly Ahem! :rolleyes: and have been on a huge agenda over the past years to try to criminalise Punters.

Though personally I do think that more services are being offered/advertised these days compared to the past which is not necessarily a good thing in my book. Though I sincerely hope that all the BB adverts around are mainly fake.

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Though personally I do think that more services are being offered/advertised these days compared to the past which is not necessarily a good thing in my book.

Like what? can you honestly say you like kissing or sucking a strangers cock without a condom on?

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I have read many distortions of the truth about prostitution over the years, but I came across one newspaper article recently that really was the worst. It comes from the Guardian in 2003 and is by Polly Toynbee. It is called Sexual Dealing.

These are the offending passages:-

The trade has got worse, according to Clubs and Vice police: "The women have to do things now they didn't a few years ago. Before no one would do anal, now they all have to. No one would do unprotected, now most do and men demand it, God knows why. Women all have to take pain now - caning, whipping - but that used to be just specialist."

It's not prudishness but decent feminism to say prostitution is a filthy trade that exploits the poor, the disturbed, the addicts and other helpless women. The many men who pay to near-rape women must often deliberately turn a blind eye to blatant cruelty and violence in the transaction.

I have experience of a wide variety of WGs and for nearly all of them anal is not on offer. Unprotected sex is not on offer. It is rare to find a WG who will do oral without a condom. Light spanking is rarely on offer but caning and whipping are rare and specialist services where pain is minimized.

It looks like Clubs and Vice have just made up that statement. It is immoral for a public body to try to manipulate public opinion by propaganda like this. It certainly isn't true that they all have to do it. It's also wrong for a journalist to just believe something without checking information.

What I would like to know from contributors of this forum is what is your experience. I've got a feeling that for the most expensive and least expensive WGs sometimes anal sex or unprotected sex are sometimes available. I saw a documentary where they took hidden cameras into a suburban or rural brothel in England and the man was offered sex without a condom but I think he would have had to pay double.

Perhaps for a rich man anything is on offer for a price. The poorest women might be so desperate that they will do anything. That's not my experience, but other people might know differently.

As soon as I read the words POLLY TOYNBEE and GUARDIAN I knew this article was going to be a load of rehashed old gumph!

"According to clubs and vice police"??!

Yeah right, bet she did,nt even bother contacting clubs and vice, shoddy journalist with her own agenda.

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I very much hope this isn't true. I don't think it is either, I'm just saying I really hope we're right because the other possibilities are too awful.

I can say it certainly is not true for me or for any of the WG's I know personally. I can also say I have not had any complaints from any of my clients about my boundaries, the things I am not willing to do, such as BB or CIM for example. I have the impression its not only normal but that they would not perhaps want to see me if they thought I was offering such things.

I have self-respect, and so it seems do my clients.

Obviously not everyone on this planet has though, and therefore not everyone involved in this scene will have either.

What I wouldn't give for an hour of Polly Toynbee's time - I'd soon set her right on quite a few subjects!

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What I wouldn't give for an hour of Polly Toynbee's time - I'd soon set her right on quite a few subjects!

polly toynbee is another feminist traitor who hates women involved in sex work,instead of fighting to improve conditions for female sex workers,she would want to starve sex workers out of a job by criminalising their customers

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polly toynbee is another feminist traitor who hates women involved in sex work,instead of fighting to improve conditions for female sex workers,she would want to starve sex workers out of a job by criminalising their customers

completely agree. I am a feminist myself, and a whore, for me these are not contradictory one bit because my "brand" of feminism is deeply sex-positive and loving towards all people of all genders and sexualities.

I feel really resentful of women like Polly Toynbee because I feel they have hijacked the word "feminism" and distorted it so that it has come to represent something which is entirely different to what it means to me. They use it as a weapon to beat both men and women with and one result is that most people don't want anything to do with feminism, quite understandably.

(I also have never forgiven her for the book she wrote based on spending one year living on the poverty line, a most patronising and insulting book for which she got paid lots of money, in which a middle-class women played at being poor and wrote about how it felt to her instead of talking to people for whom it is real life and not a game.)

I won't bang on anymore about it but if anyone reading this is interested in the subject I can recommend a fabulous book I just read recently called "whores and other feminists". Reading it felt like coming home, for me, as it is written by feminist sex-workers!

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I have read many distortions of the truth about prostitution over the years, but I came across one newspaper article recently that really was the worst. It comes from the Guardian in 2003 and is by Polly Toynbee. It is called Sexual Dealing.

These are the offending passages:-

The trade has got worse, according to Clubs and Vice police: "The women have to do things now they didn't a few years ago. Before no one would do anal, now they all have to. No one would do unprotected, now most do and men demand it, God knows why. Women all have to take pain now - caning, whipping - but that used to be just specialist."

It's not prudishness but decent feminism to say prostitution is a filthy trade that exploits the poor, the disturbed, the addicts and other helpless women. The many men who pay to near-rape women must often deliberately turn a blind eye to blatant cruelty and violence in the transaction.

I have experience of a wide variety of WGs and for nearly all of them anal is not on offer. Unprotected sex is not on offer. It is rare to find a WG who will do oral without a condom. Light spanking is rarely on offer but caning and whipping are rare and specialist services where pain is minimized.

It looks like Clubs and Vice have just made up that statement. It is immoral for a public body to try to manipulate public opinion by propaganda like this. It certainly isn't true that they all have to do it. It's also wrong for a journalist to just believe something without checking information.

What I would like to know from contributors of this forum is what is your experience. I've got a feeling that for the most expensive and least expensive WGs sometimes anal sex or unprotected sex are sometimes available. I saw a documentary where they took hidden cameras into a suburban or rural brothel in England and the man was offered sex without a condom but I think he would have had to pay double.

Perhaps for a rich man anything is on offer for a price. The poorest women might be so desperate that they will do anything. That's not my experience, but other people might know differently.

Polly Toynbee? What else did you expect?!

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Polly Toynbee? What else did you expect?!

I didn't expect outright lies. Your taxes are being used by elements of the police to tell lies and propaganda. We are not living in a third world country, and this is unacceptable.

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In the manner of Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen, Mark Lawrenson, and Alan Shearer on Match of the Day, etc., I think only former Working Girls should be allowed to cover prostitution-related subjects in the press. That's not to say that some ex-WGs wouldn't have disagreeable opinions but at least they'd be speaking from experience.

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Hey!I didn't know I "have to do anal" I wasn't aware I did do, and "all have to take pain now". Thanks for letting me know "Clubs and Vice Police". Makes me feel like I've just been told what to do by them.

As if.

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(I also have never forgiven her for the book she wrote based on spending one year living on the poverty line, a most patronising and insulting book for which she got paid lots of money, in which a middle-class women played at being poor and wrote about how it felt to her instead of talking to people for whom it is real life and not a game.)

The ruling classes have always rather enjoyed the sport of pretending to be poor, though, haven't they? I recall living for a couple of years in the 80s in Chicago at which time the city's mayor decided it'd be a rather good publicity stunt if she spent a week living in a flat in the poorest, most violent housing project/ghetto in the city (which, in 80s Chicago was, to be sure, quite violent.) So off she went, with the press in tow. And guess what? Crime in that particular ghetto dropped precipitously for a week, proving either that you could lead a good life there despite being poor or, more lifely, if you were mayor and arrived with a retinue of police, security-men, and media beside and behind you then things would suddenly get a whole lot safer. The mayor in question was, I think, rather hoist by her own petard as she failed to win re-election (one of her opponents campaigned under the rather immortal slogan: "Ditch the bitch, vote for Rich".) In short, couldn't agree with you more, Mary.

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I didn't expect outright lies. Your taxes are being used by elements of the police to tell lies and propaganda. We are not living in a third world country, and this is unacceptable.

They tell untruths about drugs, they tell untruths about prostitution too. In both cases it's incompetence or deliberate lying. It's what we the public (in aggregate) demand, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

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What I would like to know from contributors of this forum is what is your experience. I've got a feeling that for the most expensive and least expensive WGs sometimes anal sex or unprotected sex are sometimes available. I saw a documentary where they took hidden cameras into a suburban or rural brothel in England and the man was offered sex without a condom but I think he would have had to pay double.

I don't take up the offer of any of these things so take this with that amount of salt (except that in the past I have accepted oral sex without a condom).

  • Vaginal sex without condom: Much less than 50% of WGs offer. Many WGs explicitly rule it out in their advertising. Certainly not unheard of.
  • Oral without condom: Not uncommon. Based only on my limited experience, it could be that around 50% of WGs offer this, though I would guess less than that.
  • Anal sex: Less than 50% of WGs offer. Many explicitly rule it out in their advertising.
  • Spanking / whipping: Don't know - I haven't paid attention to this.

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Not wanting to sound like old father time, and I am sure some guys have been at it longer, I been going for 25+ years, and it has changed. I recall when oral without was very very rare, and come in mouth even more so. As for A-level, I wasn't into it then (all the time now :) ), but that was as rare as hens teeth and costs a small fortune. But as one of my longer term lady friend says, when she started about 10 years ago, she did all with condom, then she went OWO, then CIM, then A-level, she says she has to do more to keep up with the competition, and she does it all very well :P She is still perfectly healthy and making a very good living.

With the Internet, Punternet and other sites, making it so easy to find the best girl in London for looks, price and services, the trade is far more competitive, but there is also far more trade, with every punter within travelling distance(technically the world) able to see a girls adverts. In the past it use to be the local press and telephone boxes, so only local guys, and loads of calls to find a girl who sounded good. The market is completly different, far more supply and demand, a real free economy.

As for the article, I find ALL media, books, films, TV shows are complete nonsense and give a ludicrous impression of punting, making either punters or working girls appear to be criminals or idiots. Enough said on that...

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I no longer visit working girls.

What changed for me was working for a brothel in the city for a year doing security. The job mainly involved running errands and sitting chatting with the girls during quiet times.

All of the girls had experienced sexual and physical abuse from men in childhood. All of them detested their customers and expressed strong disgust for the guys and how having sex with them made them feel.

All of the girls expressed shame over what they did and at the same time were honest enough to admit they were hooked on the money.

The more perceptive ladies often talked about how shame and money kept them trapped, repeating the same stuff over and over. Some girls talked about how the work caused them to remember traumatic memories of past sexual abuse.

I loved these women, they were smart, funny, amd kind. But none of them were happy. The smiley face greeting the customer was always a facade, and it seemed that maintaining it came with a big emotional cost.

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I no longer visit working girls.

What changed for me was working for a brothel in the city for a year doing security. The job mainly involved running errands and sitting chatting with the girls during quiet times.

All of the girls had experienced sexual and physical abuse from men in childhood. All of them detested their customers and expressed strong disgust for the guys and how having sex with them made them feel.

All of the girls expressed shame over what they did and at the same time were honest enough to admit they were hooked on the money.

The more perceptive ladies often talked about how shame and money kept them trapped, repeating the same stuff over and over. Some girls talked about how the work caused them to remember traumatic memories of past sexual abuse.

I loved these women, they were smart, funny, amd kind. But none of them were happy. The smiley face greeting the customer was always a facade, and it seemed that maintaining it came with a big emotional cost.

Had in mind what I wanted to add to this thread before reading this post, which I cannot help but comment on....I've worked in parlours in the past and can't say what was in every woman's past; but I can now say with confidence that none of the ladies I now know experienced any sexual or physical abuse in childhood.

On a 'lighter' note - the Mail recently reported on a sex abuse case involving minors; one of the female collaborators was a prostitute and they cited her earnings as being £2000 a month and that she saw about 3000 men over two years ....lazy, lazy journalism - they obviously just plucked the figures out of mid air in a bid to shock and couldn't be arsed to do the maths! (To save anyone else - it equates to roughly sixteen quid a punter!)

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I didn't know that Polly Toynbee had any special record of writing about sex as a journalist. I saw her last as a talking head on some completely different political subject on BBC World television last weekend or Monday morning. That confirmed the picture she gave me at first hand in 1980 or 1981 when I drove her to a station where she needed to catch a morning train. Previously she had been an overnight guest in the place where I was calling in with my car, and I said I would take her when I was told she was in a hurry and the taxi booked for her hadn't turned up. The station was a few kilometres out of my way in almost the opposite direction.

Some conversation on the trip, but not rewarding. I ought to have pretended not to speak English. The impression she gave was of being excessively stupid, or of knowing she was right on whatever she was talking about and not being willing or able to take in any information that didn't match her opinions. Possibly both at once. Typical Guardian journalist? Also got out of the car at the station and ran for her train without saying anything that could have been read as "thank you". Seemed to take it for granted that the ride was her right.

I guess this confirms the views in the thread.

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I no longer visit working girls.

What changed for me was working for a brothel in the city for a year doing security. The job mainly involved running errands and sitting chatting with the girls during quiet times.

All of the girls had experienced sexual and physical abuse from men in childhood. All of them detested their customers and expressed strong disgust for the guys and how having sex with them made them feel.

All of the girls expressed shame over what they did and at the same time were honest enough to admit they were hooked on the money.

The more perceptive ladies often talked about how shame and money kept them trapped, repeating the same stuff over and over. Some girls talked about how the work caused them to remember traumatic memories of past sexual abuse.

I loved these women, they were smart, funny, amd kind. But none of them were happy. The smiley face greeting the customer was always a facade, and it seemed that maintaining it came with a big emotional cost.

Not sure if you're a radfem or a troll, newby, but if there was any substance to your allegations, then you'd name and shame

BTW if you no longer punt, why do you still post here?

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All of the girls had experienced sexual and physical abuse from men in childhood. All of them detested their customers and expressed strong disgust for the guys and how having sex with them made them feel.

I thought it was street girls who were supposed to all have suffered sexual abuse in childhood. I think you've got your stereotypes mixed up.

When you signed up for PunterNet forums you had the opportunity to find out what prostitution is really about. You had the opportunity to ask sex workers what their lives are like. Instead of that, you have decided that you already know the truth, on the basis of the sort of rubbish that radical feminists put around. You need to understand that you have been told a lot of untruths about prostitution. Then you can start to learn some facts.

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As already stated, I used to punt, and then later worked for a brothel.

I am not a troll, well not in the internet sense any way.

I stated opinions, based on my own personal experiences and the shared opinions of girls I used to know.

I don't need to "name and shame", because the ladies in question have nothing to be ashamed of, and because the things they told me where in confidence. To suggest I should out women who have experienced sexual abuse would be a strange and cruel thing to do.

Whilst I accept that there are plenty of women out there who choose to work in prostitution who have not been abused, there are many who have. Personally I wouldnt want to tell another person who to have sex with, but at the same time the commodification of relationships at all levels seems to me to be quite damaging.

My personal situation is slightly unusual in that I experienced abuse as a child, became a punter in my 20s, briefly worked for a brothel in my 30s, and more recently trained to become a counsellor. So obviously my experiences will influence my opinions.

The position I have come to is that because there is no real way I can tell wether a potential escort is reliving a trauma or just trying to make a buck I will not take the risk of potentially causing further harm. As I said in my original post, from working with some of these girls I learned that they were in fact re-traumatising themselves through their work and unable to see themselves as anything other than an object. Their clients were none the wiser and left with smiles on their faces and went about their days. If I hadn't been privy to the information shared by the girls who employed me, I could just have easily been one of those clients.

So my personal decision is to leave punting out of my life and try to improve my personal relationships instead. What others decide to do is up to them.

Something to consider is that if a trauma is extreme enough or happen particularly early in life, it may not be remembered by the victim. These memories may come back when the victim has a child of their own or when they meet people who have had similar experiences which they share. I have a friend who has no memory of anything before the age of 13, the same goes for her sister. She experiences panic attacks and can not stand to be touched. Time will tell why this is the case but I would bet my life on the root cause.

I believe that people are mostly good, and do the best in life given the resources and information and resources available to them. For me, I learned new information and changed my behavior accordingly. I hope I continue to learn and change when I need to.

I still read the forums because I find them interesting, simple as that. I'm no longer at school or uni but still have opinions about that too. I no longer run marathons but still watch it on TV. As far as I know these forums aren't owned by any one and I have a right to express my opinions just like any one else.

P.S. I have also met Polly Toynbee on several occasions. I found her friendly, down to earth, and inquisitive.

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Mook, The problem with what you say is the way you use the word all, I accept that many girls in many parlours will despise many clients, but not all girls despise all clients, and anyone who had been around girls would know this. And again you state all were abused, you seem to paint a very bleak picture as if you have an agenda, logic dictates that not all girls can have been abused and all hate all clients.

I no longer visit working girls.

What changed for me was working for a brothel in the city for a year doing security. The job mainly involved running errands and sitting chatting with the girls during quiet times.

All of the girls had experienced sexual and physical abuse from men in childhood. All of them detested their customers and expressed strong disgust for the guys and how having sex with them made them feel.

All of the girls expressed shame over what they did and at the same time were honest enough to admit they were hooked on the money.

The more perceptive ladies often talked about how shame and money kept them trapped, repeating the same stuff over and over. Some girls talked about how the work caused them to remember traumatic memories of past sexual abuse.

I loved these women, they were smart, funny, amd kind. But none of them were happy. The smiley face greeting the customer was always a facade, and it seemed that maintaining it came with a big emotional cost.

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Something to consider is that if a trauma is extreme enough or happen particularly early in life, it may not be remembered by the victim. These memories may come back when the victim has a child of their own or when they meet people who have had similar experiences which they share. I have a friend who has no memory of anything before the age of 13, the same goes for her sister. She experiences panic attacks and can not stand to be touched. Time will tell why this is the case but I would bet my life on the root cause.

Are you referring to repressed memories here? If so, the science behind that is very controversial - it's not accurate to state it as an unchallenged fact.

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As already stated, I used to punt, and then later worked for a brothel.

I am not a troll, well not in the internet sense any way.

I stated opinions, based on my own personal experiences and the shared opinions of girls I used to know.

I don't need to "name and shame", because the ladies in question have nothing to be ashamed of, and because the things they told me where in confidence. To suggest I should out women who have experienced sexual abuse would be a strange and cruel thing to do.

Whilst I accept that there are plenty of women out there who choose to work in prostitution who have not been abused, there are many who have. Personally I wouldnt want to tell another person who to have sex with, but at the same time the commodification of relationships at all levels seems to me to be quite damaging.

My personal situation is slightly unusual in that I experienced abuse as a child, became a punter in my 20s, briefly worked for a brothel in my 30s, and more recently trained to become a counsellor. So obviously my experiences will influence my opinions.

The position I have come to is that because there is no real way I can tell wether a potential escort is reliving a trauma or just trying to make a buck I will not take the risk of potentially causing further harm. As I said in my original post, from working with some of these girls I learned that they were in fact re-traumatising themselves through their work and unable to see themselves as anything other than an object. Their clients were none the wiser and left with smiles on their faces and went about their days. If I hadn't been privy to the information shared by the girls who employed me, I could just have easily been one of those clients.

So my personal decision is to leave punting out of my life and try to improve my personal relationships instead. What others decide to do is up to them.

Something to consider is that if a trauma is extreme enough or happen particularly early in life, it may not be remembered by the victim. These memories may come back when the victim has a child of their own or when they meet people who have had similar experiences which they share. I have a friend who has no memory of anything before the age of 13, the same goes for her sister. She experiences panic attacks and can not stand to be touched. Time will tell why this is the case but I would bet my life on the root cause.

I believe that people are mostly good, and do the best in life given the resources and information and resources available to them. For me, I learned new information and changed my behavior accordingly. I hope I continue to learn and change when I need to.

I still read the forums because I find them interesting, simple as that. I'm no longer at school or uni but still have opinions about that too. I no longer run marathons but still watch it on TV. As far as I know these forums aren't owned by any one and I have a right to express my opinions just like any one else.

P.S. I have also met Polly Toynbee on several occasions. I found her friendly, down to earth, and inquisitive.

Mook, you have EVERY right to voice your opinion.

I was actually going to reel off a rather long write up, after reading your original comments and the animated responses that you received.

The assumption that you have no right being here since you no longer work in this environment is illogical and more than a little cheeky.

As you have quite rightly pointed out, you no longer run marathons but can enjoy watching a marathon on the television

What I find slightly interesting, and quite telling, is that you have posted this response to clear up exactly why you are of the thought and opinion that you are, and that the response you have got back fails to understand this .

You have divulged personal information about your own personal abuse as a child, and the comment responding to you, over looks this, and sets out to "dismantle" your words, there is something "unfeeling/rigid" about this response.

Your words are valid because this has been your experience/s, and for others to imply that you have no right to voice these opinions does seem a little "elitist" in the loosest possible sense.

It is not like you have tried to hack into the Mensa website and have tried to put yourself in the "2%" of the population of geniuses....dear oh dear, you just spoke of your opinion, next minute, you are being asked if you are a "troll", don't make me laugh!

Why would you be a troll, oh...because what you have commented on is pretty emotive and provocative, well, life is emotive and provocative and not always "sugary nice".

It is what it is.

I think you may have got some peoples backs up ,because, some may not want to acknowledge that the girl they see may have had an unhealthy/abusive childhood,and would rather foist this truth onto girls that work the streets,( it is easier this way, it makes "sense" to see a girl huddled at a bus stop, or walking up and down the street in the cold with little clothing on and think "ahh, yes she is at rock bottom, I could NEVER be THAT low and go with HER, I have standards, I only go to agencies or girls that have their own apartments",who wants to turn up to a private flat/agency place/hotel while wondering "has this girl been abused, is she emotionally scarred"?

Also someone has in response to your original comments questioned if it is actually only street girls who have been abused,the subtext being that girls who work in other ways have not been harmed in childhood, oh how the mind boggles, to think this is to consciously enter in to denial for the purpose of self agenda I say.

This belief in itself is an interesting one to hold, I say this because there are OF COURSE girls who work for incredibly high class agencies/ independent flats/parlours who too have been abused in some manner as a child, this IS a fact.

I do also think that it is important to acknowledge that there are MANY females who have never been harmed in their childhood who enter into this lifestyle/career, to think this is also to believe the stereotypes that all if not most female are victims, quite insulting if you ask me, many are not.

A lot of females have made the conscious choice and are certainly NOT victims, however, many are, and to pretend otherwise is to deceive oneself.

Anyway, enough of my essay type words, I enjoyed reading your first submission ,and this one.

Good luck with your counseling career, I myself have embarked on my undergraduate degree.

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Mook, The problem with what you say is the way you use the word all, I accept that many girls in many parlours will despise many clients, but not all girls despise all clients, and anyone who had been around girls would know this. And again you state all were abused, you seem to paint a very bleak picture as if you have an agenda, logic dictates that not all girls can have been abused and all hate all clients.

Concur

It was the continued use of 'all' that made me deeply suspicious about the agenda of this particular poster, especially as he had failed to name the establishment.

'Some' I could have understood, but 'all' does not ring true.

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