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I think this is one of those questions where you half know the right answer before asking, but would like to read a few opinions if possible.

The question is: what would be the best language to learn to a conversational/holiday standard for an unreformable harlot monger?

The obvious answer of English doesn't count even though it is widely spoken, and the language of great punting destinations like the UK, Canada and NZ, so I'm told.

Also ruled out is the language of any WG you fall head over heels in lust with, as obviously if you're mad about your Lithuanian/Hungarian/Telegu favourite, you'll want to impress.

I think the best choice has to be Spanish, as there are so many Spanish speaking countries world-wide, many of them are young democracies, and they have tolerant laws.

There are other major languages like Arabic, French, Urdu, Mandarin and even German ( are they still the world's largest exporting country ? ) which I could have a stab at learning but although I've never been to a spanish country I feel it's probably the best tongue to try ( if you'll excuse the awful pun ).

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I'd choose German, especially for those interested in the FKK scene in Germany. In the bigger FKKs like Artemis or Oase you can get by quite well using just English, but if you want to go to the smaller, more local FKKs a Knowledge of German comes in handy.

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It all depends what nationalities you like punting with.

I have found Romanian, Latvian, Polish, Moroccan and Mandarin speaking ladies who all do the right things. All have spoken reasonable English, so no problem.

If travelling, Mandarin only covers mainland China. There are about 1.3b of them, but it is not much use learning Mandarin if you are not going there, and they are increasingly learning English as a second lauguage.

Spanish covers most of America south of Texas, and all the illegals in the USA, apart from Spain itself and isloated parts of the old Spanish empire.

Portuguese will help you only with Brazillian and Portuguese.

French will cover Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia and other prts of North Africa.

I think the power of the Dollar, the Euro or the local currency will overcome most language barriers. Having negotiated the price and the services required, further speech should be unnecessary, as hopefully they should have their mouth full of tongue or other parts during most of the punt.

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French is also spoken in parts of Canada, parts of Louisiana, in Switzerland, Belgium, former colonies of West Africa, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Haiti, Reunion, Mauritius, Tahiti, and numerous other islands in Oceania...

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As a generalisation, I find WGs with dark hair, brown eyes, and size 10 and above the most attractive. This still includes much of the world, which is nice. The french speaking countries include many where there are dictatorships, or have been very recently, and malaria risks, which is a pity as there are many foxy french speakers.

Spanish still seems to have the advantage for me. ( Costa Rica, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Spain and the Med Islands )

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( Costa Rica, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Spain and the Med Islands )

Plus Canary Islands. I met an loverly Argentinian girl in Tenerife. Quite a few girls there were from Spanish speaking South American countries.

Im going to learn German I think, as I like the FKK clubs. Once I went to Samya I got a right bollocking from a German girl I had seen 3 times for not learning any German :(

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I found Italian quite useful. I've met Italian speaking girls in east europe. In particular balkan countries they love Italian stuff. They get Italian TV and Radio and love Italian men. I'm english but speak a little italian so that helps!

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It obviously all depends on where you're going mongering. German will help you In of course Germany, Swiss and Austria, but many Central/Eastern europeans speak Deutsch as a second language. Russian would be useful for as well as Russia, Ukraine and all the other parts of the FSU.

As already mentioned French, Spanish and Portuguese would be very useful, and Arabic for most of the Middle east.

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It has to be German. Europe is undoubtedly the greatest punting detination compared to other continents and many middle class Eastern Europeans at least learn one Wetsern European language and its almost always German (Source: multiple EE escorts), and to add to the above post, German is also spoken in Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein & some areas of Italy.

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I'm coming over to German as a language a bit more than before following the earlier poster. Germany has the advantages of proximity to the UK, good food, and for the gaps between punts when you're chilling in a bar, germans have better taste in music than the spanish, and I don't include the Hoff :)

Hast du etwas zeit fur mich?

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I'm coming over to German as a language a bit more than before following the earlier poster. Germany has the advantages of proximity to the UK, good food, and for the gaps between punts when you're chilling in a bar, germans have better taste in music than the spanish, and I don't include the Hoff :)

Hast du etwas zeit fur mich?

You need to remember that nouns take a capital, so "Zeit", but also I'd say "ein bisschen Zeit" rather than etwas!

Seriously, however, can someone whose German is way better than mine, say whether one uses "Du" to a WG, or sticks to "Sie"?

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You need to remember that nouns take a capital, so "Zeit", but also I'd say "ein bisschen Zeit" rather than etwas!

Seriously, however, can someone whose German is way better than mine, say whether one uses "Du" to a WG, or sticks to "Sie"?

My German is probably no better than yours, I also struggle with the different forms of words and the word order. When I'm talking to a WG I usually say "Sie" as in "Sie sind schon". I don't know if it's the right form, it's just my preference to say it that way. In my experience the WG usually understands even if you use the incorrect form, WGs from places like Poland and Hungary are students just like us and they might not know the correct form themselves. I find that the important thing is that if the WG understands she'll tolerate my errors and maybe even fill in the blanks.

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I'm coming over to German as a language a bit more than before following the earlier poster. Germany has the advantages of proximity to the UK, good food, and for the gaps between punts when you're chilling in a bar, germans have better taste in music than the spanish, and I don't include the Hoff :)

Hast du etwas zeit fur mich?

I guess its Hast du Zeit fur mich? I was told by my instructor never to do a literal English-German translation. And sometimes the German grammar even challenges her like anything..

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Seriously, however, can someone whose German is way better than mine, say whether one uses "Du" to a WG, or sticks to "Sie"?

I'm not sure whether my German is better than yours, but for what it's worth I notice that the websites of German sex establishments - like for example this one for three Partytreffs in NRW http://www.pauschalclub.de/ - seem to address the punters as "du".

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I'm not sure whether my German is better than yours, but for what it's worth I notice that the websites of German sex establishments - like for example this one for three Partytreffs in NRW http://www.pauschalclub.de/ - seem to address the punters as "du".

That's a good observation, serendipity, and would mean not to worry too much between fawning and standard forms of 'you'

I remember hearing a Lionel Richie song once with the line 'Du bis ein mal, zvei mal, drei mal eine dame' so it looks like another vote for "du", as well as a vote for good German music.

Btw, the line:

Hast du etwas zeit for mich was also taken from a song, which shows how little german I really know. The second line is something like Dann singe ich ein lied fuer dich

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I'm not sure whether my German is better than yours, but for what it's worth I notice that the websites of German sex establishments - like for example this one for three Partytreffs in NRW http://www.pauschalclub.de/ - seem to address the punters as "du".

Although even on that site they manage to use a sie near the bottom on the home page. Here is some guidance I copied off the internet:

Use the formal Sie form when...

•you are talking to adults you only know casually or have just met.

•the situation would call for using "Mr." (Herr) or "Ms./Mrs." (Frau) in English. (Caution! See below about using first names.)

•in a business situation unless specifically invited to do otherwise.

•addressing colleagues at work (unless they are close friends of yours).

•you have doubts about which form to use.

Use the du form when...

•talking to family members or relatives.

•talking with close, intimate friends.

•addressing children under the age of about 12 and pet animals.

•addressing God, as in a prayer.

•you are invited by the German-speaker to do so.

• The old rules called for capitalizing all the familiar forms (du, dein, dir, ihr, euer, euch) in a letter. The new rules say not to (but many people still do so). The formal Sie is always capitalized.

• Important! A first-name situation in English does NOT always equal the use of du in German! German-speakers are much less likely to be on a first-name basis as soon as English-speakers.

• On the Internet it is common to use the du form of address in email to strangers, but even here some Germans prefer the formal Sie.

• The younger the German-speaker, the more likely du will be used sooner than with older speakers. (But do not assume this always to be the case.)

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Although even on that site they manage to use a sie near the bottom on the home page. Here is some guidance I copied off the internet:

Use the formal Sie form when...

•you are talking to adults you only know casually or have just met.

•the situation would call for using "Mr." (Herr) or "Ms./Mrs." (Frau) in English. (Caution! See below about using first names.)

•in a business situation unless specifically invited to do otherwise.

•addressing colleagues at work (unless they are close friends of yours).

•you have doubts about which form to use.

Use the du form when...

•talking to family members or relatives.

•talking with close, intimate friends.

•addressing children under the age of about 12 and pet animals.

•addressing God, as in a prayer.

•you are invited by the German-speaker to do so.

• The old rules called for capitalizing all the familiar forms (du, dein, dir, ihr, euer, euch) in a letter. The new rules say not to (but many people still do so). The formal Sie is always capitalized.

• Important! A first-name situation in English does NOT always equal the use of du in German! German-speakers are much less likely to be on a first-name basis as soon as English-speakers.

• On the Internet it is common to use the du form of address in email to strangers, but even here some Germans prefer the formal Sie.

• The younger the German-speaker, the more likely du will be used sooner than with older speakers. (But do not assume this always to be the case.)

I am (very genuinely) much obliged!

I learned most of my German in Berlin, under occupation. Duzen for Parteigenossen, for fellow officers of the NVA, Grenztruppen, and VP, for (in the West) Sozis, and both sides for children and dogs (not too sure about horses!). Priests will use the Du form to their parishoners, but, not, I think VV. The first name is dangerous, indeed. Many respectable married women will call the husband Du, but not use his Christian name. I was never in the position to be able to ask about WGs, so I'm very grateful to have the steer - of course these distinctions will probably be lost on Romanians and Polish girls!

The rebuff, in bloody spades, comes when you over-step the mark, and address someone as Du, and he blinks and responds, Ach, ja, Herr Dingsbumps, Ich glaube dass wir gehen besser mit Sie....

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I'm glad I can speak some German. I always address someone as Sie, even work colleagues when we speak German so we can express thoughts about someone.

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At last, a subject I am actualy qualified 2 comment on (4 a change) :rolleyes:

Obviuosly, the language you choose to study should be determined by where you are based and where you want 2 a g0-g0. For a UK based chappy, German is an excellent choice and will also help in Czech and other East European countries.

When learning German, you gotta decide whether you want to go hard for da hood or just want to learn enough for travel and punting purposes. German grammar is a pain in the baht with its verb and case endings but I would suggest you do not need to get bogged down with these details and should concentr8 on learning words and phrases.

When starting a new language, its important to do a bit every day, even just 30 minits, rather than leave it all to the weekend. Keep a notebook to write useful words and phrases in and categorize - e.g. some pages for verbs, adjectives, food and drink, nouns etc. Idealy, start learning about 3 months b4 your intended trip.

There is no reason you should just stop at one language. An accountant in a company I worked for a few years ago spent a lot of time (at work 2) studying a new language every year for his summer hols :blink:

Enjoy B)

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