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Are Negative Fr Fair?

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Just been thinking about negative fr and how they can damage a girls "career". In real life nearly every large corp only gives ex employees factual references when they move to a new job e.g. dates of employment and position, however good/bad u have been to avoid litigation/hassle etc. I found this out doing some hr work recently

So is a bad FR the same thing, if u got a bad reference (assume u can) it would stop others from employing u and the same can happen to girls...

Obviously in terms of girls offering a bad service others should be warned, but we'r just thinking abt it from our side (client), the girls have no legal protection or scope for litigation shud there be a subjective fr which says she was rubbish etc.

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There have been some egos on here in the past that seem to think they can make or break a girls career B):P:lol:

S x

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Yes I do think It's fair, as long as the punter dosn't write the FR when he Is still angry and pissed off, as he might over embellish the facts, In the past I've wrote good, bad and average FR's, most have been good though, we all know WGs are only human, sometimes they have a off day, or don't click with a client, even superstars will have the odd negative report.

But the beauty of the FR system Is you can see If a lady has more positive than negative FR's, the odd couple negatives wouldn't put me off, but If they outweigh the good then maybe not.

Some authors don't write bad FR's, (rose tinted specs syndrome) or you have to read between the lines, and some don't do average ones, I think you should report all three, as I'd rather see a girl with only two very good FR's rather than ten pretty average ones.

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This is a tricky one for me. I had a very bad punt recently with a girl who had an apalling attitude and I was sorely tempted to leave a negative FR but didnt, mainly because I had had a few good punts at the parlour before and that I was just about satisfied with the response from them when I spoke on the phone afterwards.

The punt was so recent that I could still leave the negative FR and I'm still tempted to do so , but I just dont feel comfortable doing it. I wish I did.

That said, if you have a punt that is particularly bad and it is down to her attitude and not just a lack of personal chemistry, then you should leave a negative FR, should you wish to do so, with a clear conscience. Easier said than done though.

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This is a tricky one for me. I had a very bad punt recently with a girl who had an apalling attitude and I was sorely tempted to leave a negative FR but didnt, mainly because I had had a few good punts at the parlour before and that I was just about satisfied with the response from them when I spoke on the phone afterwards.

The punt was so recent that I could still leave the negative FR and I'm still tempted to do so , but I just dont feel comfortable doing it. I wish I did.

That said, if you have a punt that is particularly bad and it is down to her attitude and not just a lack of personal chemistry, then you should leave a negative FR, should you wish to do so, with a clear conscience. Easier said than done though.

Very sensible, add to that bait and switch, rip offs, questionable hygiene,shithole premises, misleading of services.

S x

You will always get those that moan that someone is not the girls in the pics because her hair is shorter or she coloured it, say that dfk was off the menu when you could see in his teeth what he ate for breakfast a week ago, if the pillow cases do not match the duvet, she forgot to give the £1 change, but I think that sometimes a little common sense will prevail there, read their other FRs could just be a jaded client.

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Hi Nerv

I have written a few FRs now, and only on one occasion was I compelled to write a really bad [but honest] report.

[The consequences were not good for the WG, but not because of the report itself, but more because of a thread that was posted [by another] on this forum in the aftermath. So writing a bad report is one thing, but discussing the details in open forum can have consequences for the WG, so I would recommend you do not mention any names/place etc.]

Since then I have continued to only write reports that warranted it and prefer to reserve them for very good punts with new girls I visit. I personally believe these reports can benefit other punters although I must add that everyone’s tastes are not the same. Therefore many positive reports do not guarantee a good punt for everyone. I had a below par punt recently [only the 2nd date out of many] and instead of writing the report, I took time to evaluate my experience and consider possible causes for the slightly reduced enthusiasm of the WG - who I had not met before. She had many positive FRs and only 1 negative. After some consideration, and after remembering the good points [and there were a few], I decided not to write the report. Instead I contacted the Agency and relayed my concerns to them instead. They were received sympathetically, and I was very satisfied with their professional response. I put my below par punt down to an 'off day' for the WG, and did not take it personally. I am sure she will be back on par now, and writing a bad report would certainly have upset her more and perhaps even her next few punters. It’s really difficult to decide to write a bad report unless you feel compelled to. So if you feel that you have not enjoyed your experience and it was poor VFM, then I would suggest you contact the agency in the first instance. If they do not seem too concerned or interested in your complaint, then write a report, but try and be honest and fair when you do. IME to every bad FR, there are still positives that can be included in the report, and should be.

:)

Hope this helps...

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Very sensible, add to that bait and switch, rip offs, questionable hygiene,shithole premises, misleading of services.

S x

You will always get those that moan that someone is not the girls in the pics because her hair is shorter or she coloured it, say that dfk was off the menu when you could see in his teeth what he ate for breakfast a week ago, if the pillow cases do not match the duvet, she forgot to give the £1 change, but I think that sometimes a little common sense will prevail there, read their other FRs could just be a jaded client.

To me thats a pretty serious breach Sab and deserves a bit more than a moan. If I book a girl with long,wavy brunette hair and when the door opens I'm faced with a newly cut short hair blonde-- I'd be rightly pissed ! Given modern technology, there is generally no good reason for not matching your profile pics.You haven't gone goth have you ??

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Just been thinking about negative fr and how they can damage a girls "career". In real life nearly every large corp only gives ex employees factual references when they move to a new job e.g. dates of employment and position, however good/bad u have been to avoid litigation/hassle etc. I found this out doing some hr work recently

So is a bad FR the same thing, if u got a bad reference (assume u can) it would stop others from employing u and the same can happen to girls...

Obviously in terms of girls offering a bad service others should be warned, but we'r just thinking abt it from our side (client), the girls have no legal protection or scope for litigation shud there be a subjective fr which says she was rubbish etc.

Regardless of whether the punt is good or bad, the FR should be accurate. A negative FR is fair if it is accurate. Now obviously they are written from the punter's perspective and its down to other punters who read this FR to interpret the information and determine for themselves if the FR puts them off seeing the WG in question.

I'm sure that when you research a WG you look at a number of reports. If they are all negative then she is probably best avoided but if its just one out of many that are negative then you might consider her. Like I said, it depends how you interpret the negative FR and what exactly was negative about the girl.

I have written a number of FRs and only one has been a proper negative. Some of the punts have not been to my liking but I try to be fair and only post a negative if it really is that bad. The fact the girl did OW and I wanted OWO is something I would find disappointing but not negative per say unless she openly promised it beforehand to get me in.

I don't think you can compare a FR to a bad reference for work.

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Always justification for bad fr's if you felt you were undewhelmed and didn't get what you paid for. Think about it from the punter's point of view. They can read honest positive and negative open accounts of other guy's who have experienced a girl on their radar giving them the opportunity to decide whether its money well spent or spent elsewhere. They are a good barometer. It has certainly helped me in the past to figure out the plusses and minuses before I dive in blindly.

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This is a tricky one for me. I had a very bad punt recently with a girl who had an apalling attitude and I was sorely tempted to leave a negative FR but didnt, mainly because I had had a few good punts at the parlour before and that I was just about satisfied with the response from them when I spoke on the phone afterwards.

The punt was so recent that I could still leave the negative FR and I'm still tempted to do so , but I just dont feel comfortable doing it. I wish I did.

That said, if you have a punt that is particularly bad and it is down to her attitude and not just a lack of personal chemistry, then you should leave a negative FR, should you wish to do so, with a clear conscience. Easier said than done though.

Sounds like we saw the same WG Jimmy!! :lol: .......

Seriously though, in the end its her who will lose out if she doesn’t listen to her Management. If punters start complaining consistently about the same WG, I should think she would soon get her marching orders, and not last in the industry. But, there is always the possibility that you caught her on an 'off-day', and we all have them!

So in a way, this does have to be taken into consideration before lambasting her in a FR!

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There's no value to the FR system if there aren't any negative FRs. Guys that get excited about shagging anything in as many positions as possible write useless FRs and I ignore them. Negative FRs that are overly personal and unfair are worse. I read an FR on a local forum; the girl was criticised for having "no tits" despite advertising as a petite, size 6 to 8 Thai girl with photos showing exactly how those tits looked. I tried to defend her but if she read it the damage would already be done.

FRs like either of those say nothing about the girl and everything about the punter. But if they are relatively dispassionate negative FRs are the most helpful in choosing the right girl.

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To me thats a pretty serious breach Sab and deserves a bit more than a moan. If I book a girl with long,wavy brunette hair and when the door opens I'm faced with a newly cut short hair blonde-- I'd be rightly pissed ! Given modern technology, there is generally no good reason for not matching your profile pics.You haven't gone goth have you ??

I was not thinking of something so drastic as going from long brunette to short blonde but I get your point!

Goth no not me still Blonde Bombshell Bimbo.

S x

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As with any appraisal system in any profession, it is only of valued if it is evidenced.

"she wasn't into it" or "i didn't like the look of this/that" is pointless unless you state why. Another good pointer for clients writing FR's be they good or bad is to make comparisons. For example, "she was not engaging, compared to Tracy who I saw last week at ABC Escorts". This gives the girl a point of reference, if the reference is in the same agency then even better.

The point of a negative FR should be to prevent another client getting a similar bad service and for the girl, agency or both to improve their service. Tell them how they can do this rather than just saying it was not good. We have taken advice from clients before regarding opening times, decor, girls attitudes and booking systems, it all helps to improve the service and make a better experience for you.

With a few exceptions we used to employ a '3 bad reports and out' policy. That was a general rule and each negative report is viewed on their worth and content.

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This is a difficult question, in my view. I have written relatively few negative reports, but a fair few dispassionate ones along the lines of "I didn't have a great time because she wasn't for me, but I could see how another punter with different tastes could fall for her big time." I always try to include something of myself in FRs (spelling out what sort of punt I enjoy), too, as I think this gives the reader an idea of whether his concept of a good time is similar to mine, and he can therefore judge my report accordingly. I also stress the girls looks, personality, and style as those, in my view, are fixed (they won't vary from booking to booking) and thus tell you far more about how you might respond to her than the fact that she had sex in 52.3 positions, which she may or may not do for you. Be objective, I guess, is the best advice. I write FRs quickly after a booking -- while the memory is still fresh -- but I DON'T post them for 2/3 days. I sleep on, and edit them, before putting them up. To me, this seems fair.

It's important to bring the ladies into this conversation, too. The last two negative reports I wrote were interesting in terms of "what happened next." One was early in the career of a girl who worked at HoD (this was a while ago, to be clear.) I saw her, and really didn't have a good time. She was not awful, but I reviewed her objectively and expressed my reservations. Subsequently, she went on to have a lengthy (maybe two years) career and accumulated a lot of good FRs, many from posters I respect, to the extent that I actually wanted to re-visit her (though never got the chance.) In light of the good FRs, I asked Galahad to remove my negative FR as I felt, on balance, trusting the other reviews, and knowing HoD management from experience, mine no longer offered a valid appraisal of her services.

I also wrote a very so-so (but NOT poor) FR of a girl last year. Let me be clear, it was not bad -- it simply said I found her somewhat over-priced and essentially very meh. I'd had a good enough time, but in light of her prices and my expectations, I really wasn't singing from the rooftops. I think I concluded that I could recommend her, but wouldn't see her again myself. Within hours of it appearing, she was all over me by PM and, worse, by text (she obviously worked out which one of her customers I was.) She even forwarded me texts from her other regulars who'd read my FR, telling her how great she was and how I had missed the point, as if I either cared or that influenced the review of the experience I, personally, had had. This continued for 2/3 days at which point I simply had Galahad remove the FR. I am pretty open...many in this industry know me quite well personally...this is the only time in a quarter century of punting I have felt bullied or intimidated by a girl. The joke is, it really wasn't a bad report...just an honest one which contained some views the girl did not like.

In the end, as someone else said, the whole FR thing crumbles if people don't tell the truth -- both good and bad. I think if you read FRs regularly, you know which reviewers you can trust and who to ignore.

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Personally I think its absolutely fair and definitely warranted especially considering that the standard charge is around £150/hr, which is far from cheap.

The the poor standard of service-provider could also have, for example, a very impressive and alluring website full of photoshopped pictures, and/or much younger/extremely flattering photos, glowing fake on-site reviews and an extremely misleading list of services on offer.

I feel no guilt whatsoever on naming and shaming very poor service-providers, especially the ones who obviously want your money for the least possible effort and you out of there as quickly as possible.

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Trolley, I can see why you did what you did, but the girl that was hassling you should've got a follow up report saying that she's a bloody stalker. It's what the FR system is for, you know! :unsure:

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Very sensible, add to that bait and switch, rip offs, questionable hygiene,shithole premises, misleading of services.

S x

You will always get those that moan that someone is not the girls in the pics because her hair is shorter or she coloured it, say that dfk was off the menu when you could see in his teeth what he ate for breakfast a week ago, if the pillow cases do not match the duvet, she forgot to give the £1 change, but I think that sometimes a little common sense will prevail there, read their other FRs could just be a jaded client.

Sabrina

I've often had comments about how my hair doesn't look the same colour as my photos. I can honestly say I do not colour my hair in any shape or form - I used to many years ago, but not for a long time. It can however appear blonde, ginger, auburn and any colour inbetween depending upon the lighting, angle, weather, time of year etc. I cannot help this it's a natural phenomena. So hard luck. Actually if I did dye it, it would probably be more consistent!

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Sabrina

I've often had comments about how my hair doesn't look the same colour as my photos. I can honestly say I do not colour my hair in any shape or form - I used to many years ago, but not for a long time. It can however appear blonde, ginger, auburn and any colour inbetween depending upon the lighting, angle, weather, time of year etc. I cannot help this it's a natural phenomena. So hard luck. Actually if I did dye it, it would probably be more consistent!

The whole point of being a strawberry blonde is that there is many different colours that go to make it up, I was a white blonde as a kid and gradually went darker, now I dye mine blonder for artificial intelligence :D

S x

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I had no fear in writing my negative fr. She skanked me, and subsequent to my report requested all her reports to be removed from the system. Hopefully it saved other punters from wasting their time and cash.

I think that the fr system could do with a traffic light system, as many punts are not bad enough for a negative, but there were negative things about the punt.

My latest punt on Monday would have got an amber. She was hot, I got layed. But it was a 30 minute punt of which I actually received about 15 minutes attention.

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Just been thinking about negative fr and how they can damage a girls "career". In real life nearly every large corp only gives ex employees factual references when they move to a new job e.g. dates of employment and position, however good/bad u have been to avoid litigation/hassle etc. I found this out doing some hr work recently

So is a bad FR the same thing, if u got a bad reference (assume u can) it would stop others from employing u and the same can happen to girls...

Obviously in terms of girls offering a bad service others should be warned, but we'r just thinking abt it from our side (client), the girls have no legal protection or scope for litigation shud there be a subjective fr which says she was rubbish etc.

It would not make a shred of difference because she could assume a new identity by changing her working name and/or her look etc. This happened to a girl I new, she did not do anything particularly bad to warrant the bad FRs, apart from offering a rater dull service that she thought she could get away with because of her stunning looks (and for many this was just fine). However, some of her clients were left rather frustrated by this and expressed this frustration with negative FRs. But a thumbs down is a thumbs down and over time these mounted up and despite the parlour for which she worked, defending her to the last, eventually she vanished from their rota. But not for long. About 6 weeks later she reappeared under different name and with a clean slate, strangely, with the exact same pics on their site and more strangely no one even questioned it. 6 or so months later she eventually moved on and I have seen her new pics and yet another new identity on two top-end agencies since.

So the moral of the story is that no matter how many negative FRs a girl accumulates, she still has her sexuality, there is always another establishment offering work and punters will always have a sex drive and they a many in numbers.

It's not as sticky as a job reference because she can easily change her ID, then it's void.

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You do have to look hard at the reasons for a negative punt. If the girl and author just didnt click then I dont see that as a grounds for a negative. If it was an obvious con or safety issue then it would be.

Although I havent got any negative FRs to my name, doesnt mean I havent been tempted to write a negative one. (In fact my first FR I wrote was negative but it seemed to disappear in the system)

But reasons why I would definalty write a negative so far havent yet happened (some have been close) namely she wasnt the girl in the photo, I strongly believe she was actually conning me or I felt worried for my safety.

I have had punts where I left dissapointed but usually Ive just told the management and left it at that. Then they can take some sort of action. She'll either clean up her act or leave. However, if I went straight for a negative FR then if she does clean up her act then she'll still have the negative FR against her.

Sometimes shes got tons of positive FR anyway, and as others have said, one negative amongst many positives wont make a difference, so I dont want to waste my time writing it.

Another reason is that if Im having a bad punt I tend not to want to loose my "energy", and then gone for another punt soon after, sometimes on the same day. Since I usually visit the same establishments, and I can only write 3 within 90 days for a place, and then see someone really deserve a positive one then I cant write one as I could be over the limit. So Id write the FR for someone that was a good punt over someone who was bad.

All depends, I know one day I may end up writing one, hopefully that day will never come... reason why I tend to stick to places I trust.

Usually in PM if someone asks me what someone was like then I'll tell them as it was.

On another note, I also know that some girls have their "fans" and I have been on the receiving end of their anger when a punt wasnt great. One reason why I dont see girls on here anymore. Would have been worse if I wrote a negative FR even thou it was truthful. Or if a girl you see turns out to be a friend of the girl you did a negative FR? I've punted with girls who are friends with girls I hada punt time with and things can get awkward quickly.

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Like anywhere, politics abound.

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It would not make a shred of difference because she could assume a new identity by changing her working name and/or her look etc.

It's not as sticky as a job reference because she can easily change her ID, then it's void.

I dont agree with this. The fact she could have to leave an establishment and/or change name and appearence seems to indicate it makes rather more than a shred of difference.

If a girl has developed a bad reputation through FR's, like a couple of girls in my area have, then it would take something drastic for me not to recognise them if they changed places and their names. I havent been at this for that long, but even I recognise girls at different agencies who operate with different names. And some of them dont even have any FR's good or bad.

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I dont agree with this. The fact she could have to leave an establishment and/or change name and appearence seems to indicate it makes rather more than a shred of difference.

If a girl has developed a bad reputation through FR's, like a couple of girls in my area have, then it would take something drastic for me not to recognise them if they changed places and their names. I havent been at this for that long, but even I recognise girls at different agencies who operate with different names. And some of them dont even have any FR's good or bad.

True !

This isnt a tactic that would work with savvy and/or seasoned punters, nor with many of the members here.

And on the subject of FRs in general this thread has highlighted why Punternet really is such an invaluable reference source with respect to deciding whether or not to visit a particular wg.

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Apologies if this has already been said, I've only just seen this thread and haven't read all the posts.

Rightly or wrongly there must be pressure on punters not to write negative FRs as there is the possibility of the SP contacting the punter and hasseling them? Texts and calls from an angry SP could lead to one being exposed.

I have had a few punts recently where the SPs didn't do what they said they would, nor what was discussed and agreed in texts, e-mails and calls. Of course, SPs have the right to say no at any time, but it is very difficult in the heat of the moment to just accept that no reverse O in one case and no owo in another was on offer.

I felt a bit peeved and wrote draft FRs noting what had happened. Before posting them I discussed the issues with both ladies. One told me to F off and that she had every right to refuse owo, to which I agreed, the other said that if I came to see her again,she would allow reverse O.

Under the circumstances, I decided just to put the ladies on my own personal blacklist and didn't post the FRs.

Had I posted the (factual) FRs, I suspect I would had have had some 'feedback' and possibly abusive texts.

Thoughts?

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