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Clearly, the trafficking has to be stopped, but my view (and no doubt that of many others, except perhaps the mums brigade) is that if a girl is willing, and prostitution is her chosen profession, then what's wrong with a brothel? A brothel (parlour, call it what you will), is a much safer working environment for a girl than being an independent, at least until streetwise.

Would I like a brothel next door to me? Wouldn't worry me provided it was well-run, with appointment system, etc. In fact, I would much rather have a brothel next to me than say a McDonalds!

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Clearly, the trafficking has to be stopped, but my view (and no doubt that of many others, except perhaps the mums brigade) is that if a girl is willing, and prostitution is her chosen profession, then what's wrong with a brothel? A brothel (parlour, call it what you will), is a much safer working environment for a girl than being an independent, at least until streetwise.

Would I like a brothel next door to me? Wouldn't worry me provided it was well-run, with appointment system, etc. In fact, I would much rather have a brothel next to me than say a McDonalds!

Exactly. I've had many people say they wouldn't mind a well run brothel which was discreet on their street ( thinking

back to the Claire Finch case here ), in fact they would prefer it to a pub, with the noise, dirt, fights etc. that

go with it.

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Clearly, the trafficking has to be stopped, but my view (and no doubt that of many others, except perhaps the mums brigade) is that if a girl is willing, and prostitution is her chosen profession, then what's wrong with a brothel?

The difficulty is in knowing whether they are willing or not. I find this case very disturbing.

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The difficulty is in knowing whether they are willing or not. I find this case very disturbing.

Agreed Vin but clearly there's no issue (or I would hope not) with British girls, so it's a question of choosing a reliable agency if the girl is from Eastern Europe for example. I'm cautious about agencies that only have EE girls, as pretty as some of them may be. If an agency has been around for many years, then you should be OK.

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That article seems so defective. Where do I even begin?

Again Operation Pentameter is wheeled out, and the figure of 528 arrests is given to make it sound far more successful at fighting trafficking than it actually was.

Police seem to regularly inspect some brothels for minors and trafficked women. As the police already know there's no minors or trafficked women in these, there's no need to do a crackdown on them. If minors are being trafficked into the UK for sex it'll far more likely be to specialist brothels that are unknown to the police that they can't do a crackdown on.

Assuming for one minute the delusions of the Poppy Project were true, people are trafficked into the UK for reasons other than prostitution. Cracking down on brothels would address the prostitution side of trafficking, but none of the other professions people are being trafficked into the UK for. In reality, if brothels that are known to police are closed down, then the underground trade, where trafficked prostitutes are more likely to be employed, would thrive and become much more profitable.

I haven't read the European directive referred to in the article, but surely it can't be asking countries to close down all their brothels, brothels are legal in some european countries.

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This was covered in the punterchat.com forum.

As I understand it was the brothel Shangri-la which reported their concerns to the authorities. Another brothel Cristal was also displayed in the television footage about this case. Their owners stated that these girls had been broight to the brothel by their handlers. Again concerns about their status and were not allowed to work. Cristal's comments are in the LBB and on punterchat.com

Yes Shangri-la owners were prosecuted in another case for brothel keeping

This BBC report states the police were tipped off. I understand in was managment of the Shangri-la, that was reported in the manchester evening news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12182899

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/01/19/rivers.uk.sex.trafficking.cnn

It was not the brothels that were trafficking, it was the these two nasty men outside of the brothels who carted these women around the brothels and getting the brothels to take them on. The brothels should have been far more active in vetting the women. Utimatley though it was a brothel that raised the alarm

From contacts I have in some flats in another city, it it quite usual that pimps will peddle their girls around brothels.

in my view it is vitaly important that brothels are legalised. Then the owners will have no excuse to report suspected coerced women who are brought to their prmises.

Several aspects work against reporting.

1. A brothel reporting a suspected trafficked women, and your business could be closed down.

2. A client reporting a suspected coerced women could be mistaken, and cause the brothel to be closed, and forcing the women to find somewhere else to work

That is very much why I like the concept of Redline, where your report can be investigated my sex work friendly people before a report is made to the police.

Allowing brothels to be legal would allow brothels to be inspected, and would allow reports of coercion to be made, knowing that if a mistake had been made, then there would be no consequences to the business.

It is interesting that the Guardian has made alot of this on Sunday, for what is last months news I suspect that this is in reaction to the ACPO report, and a meeting which is due to take place this month with ministers to discuss prostitution.

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This was covered in the punterchat.com forum.

As I understand it was the brothel Shangri-la which reported their concerns to the authorities. Another brothel Cristal was also displayed in the television footage about this case. Their owners stated that these girls had been broight to the brothel by their handlers. Again concerns about their status and were not allowed to work. Cristal's comments are in the LBB and on punterchat.com

Yes Shangri-la owners were prosecuted in another case for brothel keeping

This BBC report states the police were tipped off. I understand in was managment of the Shangri-la, that was reported in the manchester evening news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12182899

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/01/19/rivers.uk.sex.trafficking.cnn

It was not the brothels that were trafficking, it was the these two nasty men outside of the brothels who carted these women around the brothels and getting the brothels to take them on. The brothels should have been far more active in vetting the women. Utimatley though it was a brothel that raised the alarm

From contacts I have in some flats in another city, it it quite usual that pimps will peddle their girls around brothels.

in my view it is vitaly important that brothels are legalised. Then the owners will have no excuse to report suspected coerced women who are brought to their prmises.

Several aspects work against reporting.

1. A brothel reporting a suspected trafficked women, and your business could be closed down.

2. A client reporting a suspected coerced women could be mistaken, and cause the brothel to be closed, and forcing the women to find somewhere else to work

That is very much why I like the concept of Redline, where your report can be investigated my sex work friendly people before a report is made to the police.

Allowing brothels to be legal would allow brothels to be inspected, and would allow reports of coercion to be made, knowing that if a mistake had been made, then there would be no consequences to the business.

It is interesting that the Guardian has made alot of this on Sunday, for what is last months news I suspect that this is in reaction to the ACPO report, and a meeting which is due to take place this month with ministers to discuss prostitution.

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Of course the article could have been in prepartion for the GLA sex work conference yesterday. Only anti sexworkers (Eaves, Eckberg) were invited to speak.

You could take a look at a twitter blog by Dr Belina Take a look at #SWGLA on twitter. All the preducess is there. Sex work is violence. Close all brothels to stop trafficking.

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Clearly, the trafficking has to be stopped, but my view (and no doubt that of many others, except perhaps the mums brigade) is that if a girl is willing, and prostitution is her chosen profession, then what's wrong with a brothel? A brothel (parlour, call it what you will), is a much safer working environment for a girl than being an independent, at least until streetwise.

Would I like a brothel next door to me? Wouldn't worry me provided it was well-run, with appointment system, etc. In fact, I would much rather have a brothel next to me than say a McDonalds!

There is so much information and help for people wanting to start in the sex industry that I can't understand why anyone would feel the best option was to make money for others in a brothel? What's wrong with cooperatives - people working together, in charge of their own routine and making their own decisions ?

I must admit when my family were younger, I certainly wouldn't like the thought of a brothel being in the same road as I lived in. Every now and again there is a 'nutter' rears it's head and can cause problems. Then there's the oddball who thinks it would be a good idea to let all the neighbours know what's going on and send mailshots out.

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There is so much information and help for people wanting to start in the sex industry that I can't understand why anyone would feel the best option was to make money for others in a brothel? What's wrong with cooperatives - people working together, in charge of their own routine and making their own decisions ?

I must admit when my family were younger, I certainly wouldn't like the thought of a brothel being in the same road as I lived in. Every now and again there is a 'nutter' rears it's head and can cause problems. Then there's the oddball who thinks it would be a good idea to let all the neighbours know what's going on and send mailshots out.

Working together as a cooperative is still in the eye of the law a brothel, no matter how you paint it.

Many of the brothels which are closed are very much what you describe, women working together in charge of their routine.

Not all women though want to work that way. Some rather the advertising, organisation, towels etc are provided for them. I have tried to help one wome with offers of web sites who is definitly independent material, she so much prefers to work with the comradery of a large MK brothel which used to be run by one of the posters on here. It has also been explained to me, you leave the brothel and that is end of work, no more thoughts about it until the next shift.

Sex work is diverse, and unless that is taken into account, then no rules will work.

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A very awful review on the Belle De Jour programs bit in CIF

Apparently Bele De Jour and sex workers were hatefully attacked in the comments and some suggested that Belle should be killed. Those have now been removed. Some part of me thinks they should have been left. It would show how hateful some abolitionists are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/feb/09/secret-diary-of-a-call-girl?commentpage=1#start-of-comments

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A very awful review on the Belle De Jour programs bit in CIF

Apparently Bele De Jour and sex workers were hatefully attacked in the comments and some suggested that Belle should be killed. Those have now been removed. Some part of me thinks they should have been left. It would show how hateful some abolitionists are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/feb/09/secret-diary-of-a-call-girl?commentpage=1#start-of-comments

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Not sure if this has been posted somewhere already, and if it haven't not sure where it belongs.

It's a doc about women who pays for sex

Edited by starman

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