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Will The Asa Affect Prostitution?

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A clever move by the Anti-Prostitution Lobby is getting Internet Adverts now covered by ASA as from March.

Adverts on the Internet will now need to be "Decent, Legal and Truthfull" and most prostitutes websites will fail on at least 1 of those if not 2.

Thoughts?

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It's not illegal for an independent adult to sell sexual services nor to pay for them, as long as there is no pimping or coercion involved so that aspect should be fine.

In a way, it would be good if the more unscrupulous operators, who I believe to be a small minority, have to be more truthful with regard to services and fees so that should be OK.

However, I have no idea what constitutes "decent" as defined by the law in the UK. In my book, this business is far more decent than seedy lawyers who make a living from defending guilty people expoiting loopholes in the law. Or bankers who lend money to people who can't afford the repayments and then get their homes repossesed but that's just my opinion.

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Unscrupulous advertisers are already breaking the law. The ASA will just refer you to the police in respect of agencies and brothels. For indys the website only has to be hosted abroad to foil them. In any case the ASA will just say it's not a traceable company. I don't think the ASA will suddenly be cracking down on prostitution any more than porn sites which obviously aren't decent either.

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The thought of "decency" in this context reminds me of the question on the visa form for entering the USA "Have you ever been convicted of an offence of Moral Turpitude?" Sounds like something all of us on this site may all be guilty of, even if not convicted!

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I think if SaSfan were available, and posting, he would probably be pointing out that a promise or contract to provide sexual services is not enforceable in law, so I would guess the honest and truthful bit might get into a bit of a tangle on that one.

As far as "decent" goes, that would seem to be a minefield of interpretation, and I would guess that the first loophole to exploit would be to state that the site is for information purposes and not an advert. That would cover provider's own sites I would guess.

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most ladies web sites can be put through as information rather than advertising... and if this isnt the case then the biggest web presence (porn sites) are in real trouble,,,,,

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I can see the ASA being very reluctant to get involved - just as the Equality and Human Rights Commission seem very reluctant to get involved with those websites where escorts say that they will not see men of a certain colour or race.

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Will the new powers granted to ASA extend to sites hosted outwith the UK ?

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Will the new powers granted to ASA extend to sites hosted outwith the UK ?

If Ford UK were advertising that their new Mondeo got 450 mpg around town, I don't think that it would matter that the site was hosted abroad. The ASA would go after Ford UK and not the host.

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they will need a complaint

cant see many punters complaining to ASA.

there again the antis may...

but will the ASA be able to find the 'advertiser' easily to ban the advert?

mebbe the punting industry needs to keep em busy with trivial complaints against main stream businesses so they dont have tome to investigate our stuff.

Edited by Coventrypunter

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If Ford UK were advertising that their new Mondeo got 450 mpg around town, I don't think that it would matter that the site was hosted abroad. The ASA would go after Ford UK and not the host.

A quick glance at the ASA website shows that private adverts are in most cases exempt from the code. Also it has no punitive powers. It can rule that an advert does not comply but can only name and shame if no action is taken. It works in its present form because advertising agencies, newspaper publishers and broadcasters are all signed up to it. I guess they will aim to get hosting companies to sign up but they couldn't control those abroad.

Punternet field reports sometimes refer to a girl not providing the services advertised on the agency website. I don't expect we'll see many punters complaining to the ASA about the agencies misleading website though!

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I've sold vehicles via advertising, if I'd described a 2001 vehicle as a 2004 vehicle I would have been in trouble, there may be a similar problem with siome ladies sites, (reaches for tin helmet and flak jacket).

Edited by mike52

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I've sold vehicles via advertising, if I'd described a 2001 vehicle as a 2004 vehicle I would have been in trouble, there may be a similar problem with siome ladies sites, (reaches for tin helmet and flak jacket).

That would be trading standards not the ASA.

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I thought about this too. I have visions of staff at the ASA visiting wgs to check that their adverts were correct. I then thought that it's be a great job. All done on work expenses too. Imagine having to verify that an overnighter was indeed that. :P

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I thought about this too. I have visions of staff at the ASA visiting wgs to check that their adverts were correct. I then thought that it's be a great job. All done on work expenses too. Imagine having to verify that an overnighter was indeed that. :P

Well that would be trading standards too, which can't be applied to a WG as it's an immoral contract.

Trading standards deal with things that are sold under false pretences e.g. You thought it was a 2004 model car and it was a 2001.

The ASA deal with adverts that are merely misleading, such as saying best car in its class, based on a 3 year old survey.

Basically if it's something where you didn't get what you paid for it's trading standards job.

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Well that would be trading standards too, which can't be applied to a WG as it's an immoral contract.

Trading standards deal with things that are sold under false pretences e.g. You thought it was a 2004 model car and it was a 2001.

The ASA deal with adverts that are merely misleading, such as saying best car in its class, based on a 3 year old survey.

Basically if it's something where you didn't get what you paid for it's trading standards job.

Thank you. I now know who to complain to when I booked a 20 y/o, size 12 model but when she opened the door she was a , 40 y/o size 18 model.

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If I went to see escort and she flouted either ASA laws or trading standard laws. I just cant see myself complaining to either of them. It’s not the publicity I want.

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As, for example, Opium Perfume had a recent Ad banned on telly for being indecent and offensive, in that it apparently mimics drug addiction according to the complaint, I can forsee a lot of Church type associations using "offensive" or "indecent" as a hook to hang a complaint upon.

I would have thought it was worth worrying about if I was a working girl.

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Who is going to complain that "the goods were not as described" unless they have sampled those goods?

I cannot see anyone who has sampled the goods making a complaint to any government body.

Those against selling any form of sex for money are highly unlikely to be expert witnesses when it comes to a Court case.

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The ASA moves in mysterious ways - in ways so mysterious and unstoppable, even white magic practitioners can't earn a living without hassle.

Edited by sexymaylondon

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A clever move by the Anti-Prostitution Lobby is getting Internet Adverts now covered by ASA as from March.

Adverts on the Internet will now need to be "Decent, Legal and Truthfull" and most prostitutes websites will fail on at least 1 of those if not 2.

Thoughts?

Was it actually the "Anti-Prostitution Lobby" that got Internet Adverts covered by ASA as from March?

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i wonder if this will affect anti-prostitute campaigns?glasgow council had a campaign that made exagerated claims of what sex workers had to put up with,i and others complained but the asa said it was outside their remit,perhaps from march they will investigate.

there are many anti-prostitute groups who are on the web advertisng for funding & always making untruthful claims,we should start complaining from march!

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I cannot see it making any difference whatsoever. The main purpose of this bill is to clean up the rogue traders on the internet who make false claims and rip people off. In actual fact, it will only be used if complaints are received by them so it is a reactive rather than pro-active enforcer. If it did cause a particular sex related business difficulty, they could just move their website hosting offshore, and escape their rules anyway. The internet in the UK is too huge to be effectively policed in this way, and I think it’s just another complete waste of money!

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i wonder if this will affect anti-prostitute campaigns?glasgow council had a campaign that made exagerated claims of what sex workers had to put up with,i and others complained but the asa said it was outside their remit,perhaps from march they will investigate.

there are many anti-prostitute groups who are on the web advertisng for funding & always making untruthful claims,we should start complaining from march!

ha ha maybe we can bite them in the arse with it :D

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i wonder if this will affect anti-prostitute campaigns?glasgow council had a campaign that made exagerated claims of what sex workers had to put up with,i and others complained but the asa said it was outside their remit,perhaps from march they will investigate.

there are many anti-prostitute groups who are on the web advertisng for funding & always making untruthful claims,we should start complaining from march!

Excellent - I haven't had a good ol' vitriolic rant for quite a while, this might be just the favourable

juncture of circumstances. ;)

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