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How Do You Tell A Trafficked Or Coerced Girl?

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Does anyone have any tips for telling whether an escort is trafficked or otherwise coerced, in the sense intended by the law that has been so much discussed on here? Cklearly, some cases would be obvious. But if a girl advertises herself as independent,, and one can tell from her reports that she has her own place, what can one do to verify this? I have seen several adverts on the Other Site from girls happily proclaiming they are Eastern European and also independent, and there is one whom I would like to see. I can obviously ask her, but I am pretty inexperienced, and wonder if anyone else has any other suggestions for limiting the risk.

Any help appreciated.

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Well one thing that I imagine is that any form of GFE would be impossible from a trafficked/coerced woman also within a brothel context I doubt that any English WG would ever work in the same parlour as a woman she suspected was in that horrific situation!

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Nobody here can answer that question because no-one has ever met one.

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Nobody here can answer that question because no-one has ever met one.

Indeed I too do very much hope that none of us has ever met one,

but, I think one can start with bruises, generally looks unhappy and speaks little or no English, and, indeed, certainly no GFE. Probably premises fairly scruffy, too.

And it is not up to the Punter to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt, or even on the balance of probabilities that his (temporary) lover is trafficked. If he is seriously worried, he goes swiftly (while she is still there) to a coin-box, and rings CrimeStoppers anonymously, whose number Galahad has helpfully put on our Home Page.

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Nobody here can answer that question because no-one has ever met one.

True - if there were as many trafficked girls in the industry as the government want us to believe there are then we, the punters, would be bumping into them almost every day. So where are they all ?

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Does anyone have any tips for telling whether an escort is trafficked or otherwise coerced, in the sense intended by the law that has been so much discussed on here? Cklearly, some cases would be obvious. But if a girl advertises herself as independent,, and one can tell from her reports that she has her own place, what can one do to verify this? I have seen several adverts on the Other Site from girls happily proclaiming they are Eastern European and also independent, and there is one whom I would like to see. I can obviously ask her, but I am pretty inexperienced, and wonder if anyone else has any other suggestions for limiting the risk.

Any help appreciated.

On a tongue in cheek note it perhaps goes something like this:

You arrive at address in bad area of town and step over discarded sofa, old TV, freezer and several rat nibbled black bin bags on your path to front door.

You knock on door that has paint peeling off and a piece of hardboard nailed over a broken pane

Gorilla answers door, grunts, and asks for the money

Gorilla quickly counts money and with movement of head indicates you go upstairs to room

Room is dimly lit with wallpapar hanging off walls with bed in centre of room

Mattress is dirty, stained and concave in centre

Meanwhile argument erupts downstairs in foreign language between gorilla and girl

Argument continues for a while but abruptly ends on you hearing a loud slap

Shouting and screaming in foreign language then continues from female and you hear a bump, bump, bump as she is dragged up the stairs by said gorilla.

Door of bedroom is flung open and girl is thrown in

Girl stands with her back to wall and moves round room away from you as you try to approach her...

Just a guess really - or my over-active imagination !!

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The unfortunate fact is, it doesn't matter whether you can tell or not. It's the police who decide, aided and abetted by the girl. In fact, it doesn't even matter whether the girl is, in fact, trafficked or coerced, but what she says or they say, that matters.

Imagine a successful WG, Olga the slack. working in Moscow she was earning enough to afford her cabbage soup, and buy some of the better second hand clothes on the local flea market. By whatever means, and totally with her enthusiastic cooperation, she comes to England, where she sets up business. Happily working and making a comparative fortune, she gets busted, as sometimes happens. She has two choices, and being not too thick, she knows them. She can either pay the fine and be deported to Russia, or she claims that she has been trafficked and has to work a hundred clients a day at a pound each or she's beaten up. If she's sent back, Big Ivan the Bastard will cut her up real bad. The police will be delighted (So will Olga). They've rescued a trafficked woman, and proved how terrible things are. They also have her client list. Job done, unfortunately on the clients.

Alternative. Police see Maggie the Junkie pick up a client. It's Maggie's fifth arrest that week. The punter has his details taken. Maggie, on interview says she is working at the behest of her boyfriend who otherwise won't get her fix for her. Whammo! Police still prosecute Maggie, and then go and bust the client because Maggie is coerced.

Obvious scenarios you might think, but there are a lot of posh junkies out there, and even more foreign WGs with a definite interest in remaining here. My rule is no foreign girls. Junkies you have to take your chances on, because you ain't going to be able to tell for sure. Let's face it, girls on another site we know of never say that they work to feed a habit, but I know that a very significant percentage, in my area at least, are self medicators.

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On a similar note, it seems to me that many of the ladies on another site who have no feedback, poorly written descriptions and the same phone number might just be coerced, if not trafficked.

But then there is a law to stop this.....

What I find gawling is the number of, let us say, Polish, people here working not just as SPs but in all other trades, probably without insurance, the necessary skills and at much lower rates than our people.

WRT to the other post on paying tax, I suspect that many of these are not paying tax, national insurance, etc.

Electricians, kitchen fitters, plumbers, cleaners, car washing, etc. etc.

And remember that all this money goes out of the Country and contributes to the economy of the other Country.

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Quick reminder. The English, Welsh and NI law does not mention trafficked. It mentions coercion. A women could pay to be helped into this country, and thus be trafficked. That does not mean she has been coerced.

Equally an English women could have been forced to work as a sex worker.

Just because a women is not bruised is also not a sign she has not been coerced. It could be that there is a high debt she has to pay to a handler, pshyocological (sorry give up on that word) coercion. Some hold over her through family etc.

There really is not sure sign.

Does 'not kissing' mean she is coerced. It used to be that kissing was not something sex workers did. It was too intimate. Some still abide by that rule and say so on their site. Hey some women I kiss, and some its a total PSE with no kissing.

Is it that if she can't speak English that she is coerced. Migrant workers who have poor English will still come here to earn more. Friends I know go to Sweden and Norway to sell sex, can they speak the lingo. No way.

Really in the end you have no idea, until you can get to the stage of having a good and trustful relationship with them. And that is how at least how one client found out that he was with a coerced women. They built a relationship over several visits, and that woman asked for help. Now I may be naive but that story makes me feel that it is actually very hard to spot someone who is coerced.

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Quick reminder. The English, Welsh and NI law does not mention trafficked. It mentions coercion. A women could pay to be helped into this country, and thus be trafficked. That does not mean she has been coerced.

I clarify this. This is the punter beware part of the law. (14).

Trafficking whether facilitated migration or coercive as in the recent Romanian case is against the law for the traffickers.

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Whilst any abused working girl shoued be protected, bruises can occur for other reasons. Last year I noticed the day after wearing a steel-boned corset in my private life that I had bruising/marks on my ribs, whilst getting changed in front of a mirror after seeing a client....I was horrified and texted the client to say I'd only just noticed myself. He replied saying he'd thought a client had been rough with me. Obviously if you know me, and my online persona you would know for sure there isn't anyone stood behind me. Also my premises are definitely mine, and definitely not squalid, nor provided at low cost. I am also registered as self-employed and do pay tax/NI.

BUT

There could be genuine girls without such a presence, who are still genuinely working on their own bat.

Another situation

Last year I had the contraceptive implant put in my arm. For those that don't know this is a small plastic rod about the size of the inside of a ball-point pen. It is inserted just under the skin and releases the hormone progesterone, a component of the contraceptive pill for 3 years. This is much more reliable than remembering to take the pill each day.

Anyway, when it was put in there was significant bruising as you can imagine and a noticeblepuncture wound. Because I know that some will look for marks on the arm firstly as signs of intravenous drug use, secondly evidence of physical abuse I was explaining the implant to each client I saw. I suppose I could have avoided seeing clients for a few weeks, but that is hardly realistic, and not required since I was otherwise quite fit.

Over cautious?especially with the other facts surrounding myself(premises, online persona etc etc).

As you can see bruising can happen for all sorts of reasons, and so you can just never tell. A girl might be in 'rough' premises because she is starting out and genuinely hasn't got enough cash together to pay for somewhere decent yet.

'Punters' make all sorts of assumptions about WGs, many because they simply don't know the law and only have the media for information. Many have said to me(and many more probably haven't verbalised this), that they thought even paying for an independent was illegal, and that it's not possible to pay tax as a WG.

So I don't know how there can be a definite system for indentifying trafficked, or coerced ladies.

Edited by Strawberry

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Does anyone have any tips for telling whether an escort is trafficked or otherwise coerced, in the sense intended by the law that has been so much discussed on here? Cklearly, some cases would be obvious. But if a girl advertises herself as independent,, and one can tell from her reports that she has her own place, what can one do to verify this? I have seen several adverts on the Other Site from girls happily proclaiming they are Eastern European and also independent, and there is one whom I would like to see. I can obviously ask her, but I am pretty inexperienced, and wonder if anyone else has any other suggestions for limiting the risk.

Any help appreciated.

look at the number of stamps on her passport?

I have some simple questions written down in mandarin, thai, japanese,Tagalog with a simple tick box

Some examples. Some don't translate well in other languages. I speak business Japanese, and a bit of Mandarin, and can read some tagalog.

Are you happy working here? [Y] [N]

Are you threatened ? [Y] [N]

Are you forced to work?

Other problems, some can't read or write, or use a different dialect.

I'll try and post a link.

Either box = yes, I leave(sometimes pay, depeding on the risk to the girl), and contact the Police.

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On a tongue in cheek note it perhaps goes something like this:

You arrive at address in bad area of town and step over discarded sofa, old TV, freezer and several rat nibbled black bin bags on your path to front door.

You knock on door that has paint peeling off and a piece of hardboard nailed over a broken pane

Gorilla answers door, grunts, and asks for the money

Gorilla quickly counts money and with movement of head indicates you go upstairs to room

Room is dimly lit with wallpapar hanging off walls with bed in centre of room

Mattress is dirty, stained and concave in centre

Meanwhile argument erupts downstairs in foreign language between gorilla and girl

Argument continues for a while but abruptly ends on you hearing a loud slap

Shouting and screaming in foreign language then continues from female and you hear a bump, bump, bump as she is dragged up the stairs by said gorilla.

Door of bedroom is flung open and girl is thrown in

Girl stands with her back to wall and moves round room away from you as you try to approach her...

Just a guess really - or my over-active imagination !!

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I would like to think that this would be the scenario as well. If i had any doubts i would call the police.

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Quick reminder. The English, Welsh and NI law does not mention trafficked. It mentions coercion. A women could pay to be helped into this country, and thus be trafficked. That does not mean she has been coerced.

Equally an English women could have been forced to work as a sex worker.

Just because a women is not bruised is also not a sign she has not been coerced. It could be that there is a high debt she has to pay to a handler, pshyocological (sorry give up on that word) coercion. Some hold over her through family etc.

There really is not sure sign.

Does 'not kissing' mean she is coerced. It used to be that kissing was not something sex workers did. It was too intimate. Some still abide by that rule and say so on their site. Hey some women I kiss, and some its a total PSE with no kissing.

Is it that if she can't speak English that she is coerced. Migrant workers who have poor English will still come here to earn more. Friends I know go to Sweden and Norway to sell sex, can they speak the lingo. No way.

Really in the end you have no idea, until you can get to the stage of having a good and trustful relationship with them. And that is how at least how one client found out that he was with a coerced women. They built a relationship over several visits, and that woman asked for help. Now I may be naive but that story makes me feel that it is actually very hard to spot someone who is coerced.

A really well-reasoned post, for which I thank you. (It's 'psychological', by the way, unless you are sloshed when you try to type it or say it). :P I might add that an oriental WG with whom I was very close and who I was certain had been an enthusiastic volunteer, started showing up with bruises when I would see her - BDSM, in this case - it 'happens', though it pained me to see the evidence at close range and I soon moved on. But whatever the judgment, it it tends to be 'in the eye of the beholder'. :) Edited by Tiggy 7

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