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So the 2011 census takes place at the end of March.

What will the ladies on here put down as their occupation?

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So the 2011 census takes place at the end of March.

What will the ladies on here put down as their occupation?

How many guys will put down "punter"?

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Lol if only punting was an occupation. Imagine getting paid to punt :P

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I for one will be putting 'prostitute'. I imagine there'll be a fair few 'escorts', 'sex workers' and then oodles of 'therapists', 'models' and 'hairdressers' :P

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As the details of contents of your form are confidential for 100years and not available to any other government agencies, put down whatever you like but think what you want you descendants to read in 2111 when they research you for genealogical purposes! (Questions 32, 33, 36 and 37 on the Scottish Household form are the ones you could have fun with!)

(I know what I'm talking about, I'm an amateur family historian and currently employed as a Census Team Leader in Scotland).

Q32: "What is your full and specific job title?"

Q33: "Briefly describe what you do in your main job."

Q36: "At your workplace, what is the main activity of your employer or business?"

Q37: "In your main job, what is the name of the organisation you work for? If you are self-employed, please write in the business name." (You can also tick a box here for the option "no organisation".)

More of an issue in Scotland is what to do when the enumerator calls, especially if the address you are using for business is not your home but maybe a rented flat and nobody permanently lives there. If you don't answer the door the census pack will be put through the letter box. However if it is not filled in by a resident and returned by post (or an online return made) this will be followed up. Non-compliance potentially leads to a £1000 fine!!!!

To avoid any of this hassle somebody must complete Questions H6 to H9 ONLY on Page 5 of the form, although it would probably be advisable to put a "zero" entry to Questions H2 and H5 on page 4 as well.

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How many guys will put down "punter"?

I won't but I might put 'male therapist!' :P

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I for one will be putting 'prostitute'. I imagine there'll be a fair few 'escorts', 'sex workers' and then oodles of 'therapists', 'models' and 'hairdressers' :P

Are you serious young lady? I hope not!

I realise you are not ashamed of your occupation right now and neither am I.... but the

thought of future generations of people reading the P word on my records fills me with horror!

I shall be putting another occupation on my census form, the one I put on my tax self assessment form!

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there are plenty on the 1911 census, so it aint a new problem.

but i dont spose they considered there would be ancestry.com in 100 years time!

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there are plenty on the 1911 census, so it aint a new problem.

but i dont spose they considered there would be ancestry.com in 100 years time!

Exactly! and I imagine those listed as prostitutes were convicted as such.

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Exactly! and I imagine those listed as prostitutes were convicted as such.

Never been a crime in hte UK to be a prostitute.

A person would have to be really stupid to put down a criminal profession in a census (or anywhere else).

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Are you serious young lady? I hope not!

I realise you are not ashamed of your occupation right now and neither am I.... but the

thought of future generations of people reading the P word on my records fills me with horror!

I shall be putting another occupation on my census form, the one I put on my tax self assessment form!

I am proud of what I do and hope that any future generations who are descended from me have been raised well enough not to judge others. Besides, by the time census results are released I will be long dead, bar any amazing medical advances, so it will effect me precisely none if my grandchildren or greatgrandchildren or what have you want to get their panties in a bunch :rolleyes: I would assume they'll be smart enough to know that in order for them to exist, I must have had sex at some point.

Your 'horror' is your business. I make it my policy not to do anything in private I would not want made public.

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I am proud of what I do and hope that any future generations who are descended from me have been raised well enough not to judge others. Besides, by the time census results are released I will be long dead, bar any amazing medical advances, so it will effect me precisely none if my grandchildren or greatgrandchildren or what have you want to get their panties in a bunch :rolleyes: I would assume they'll be smart enough to know that in order for them to exist, I must have had sex at some point.

Your 'horror' is your business. I make it my policy not to do anything in private I would not want made public.

nice one krys.

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I am proud of what I do and hope that any future generations who are descended from me have been raised well enough not to judge others. Besides, by the time census results are released I will be long dead, bar any amazing medical advances, so it will effect me precisely none if my grandchildren or greatgrandchildren or what have you want to get their panties in a bunch :rolleyes: I would assume they'll be smart enough to know that in order for them to exist, I must have had sex at some point.

Your 'horror' is your business. I make it my policy not to do anything in private I would not want made public.

Well said. The topic has already come up in discussion at our house, and I will be doing likewise :).

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I think its now optional, so why say anything !

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I am proud of what I do and hope that any future generations who are descended from me have been raised well enough not to judge others. Besides, by the time census results are released I will be long dead, bar any amazing medical advances, so it will effect me precisely none if my grandchildren or greatgrandchildren or what have you want to get their panties in a bunch :rolleyes: I would assume they'll be smart enough to know that in order for them to exist, I must have had sex at some point.

Your 'horror' is your business. I make it my policy not to do anything in private I would not want made public.

You are a very young lady and in perhaps a few years time your circumstances may be very different

in that you could have children..... have left this profession and not want it referred to in any way.

You may not feel that way now of course but at such a young age you have no way of knowing how your life

will pan out over the next couple of decades or so.

Not being ashamed of what we do is one thing... being "proud of it" is another thing entirely.

I am not proud of what I do at all.

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Maybe punters and WGs should follow the example of the 'Jedi religion' campaign at the last census? Think of the potential shift in attitudes if a few hundred thousand of us put our occupations as punter and escort! ;)

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Maybe punters and WGs should follow the example of the 'Jedi religion' campaign at the last census? Think of the potential shift in attitudes if a few hundred thousand of us put our occupations as punter and escort! ;)

Punter.... is not an occupation... or is it?

:D

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Punter.... is not an occupation... or is it?

:D

Only in Venice?

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Only in Venice?

and I thought it was ice cream sellers marketing cornets!

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You are a very young lady and in perhaps a few years time your circumstances may be very different

in that you could have children..... have left this profession and not want it referred to in any way.

You may not feel that way now of course but at such a young age you have no way of knowing how your life

will pan out over the next couple of decades or so.

Not being ashamed of what we do is one thing... being "proud of it" is another thing entirely.

I am not proud of what I do at all.

Another beautifully patronising response.

If I have children they will be raised to be respectful of other people's choices. Life is hard enough for sex workers without bringing more judgemental people into the world. I would not be doing this type of work if I felt I would ever need to hide it. And speaking of judgemental people... what you're doing is only contributing to the stigma. Nothing wrong with keeping secrets if you feel you need to, we've all got people we don't tell everythign to and I get that. But trying to shame open sex workers into lying about their work when they're happy to talk about it isn't cool. Society is moving forward, and the more of us who are happy to talk about are work, the more likely it is that things will speed up and get better for all of us.

Besides, of all the things to take issue to, the census should be the least of your worries. It's pretty unlikely that even my potential children will live to see the results (assuming I have kids within the next 10 years or so when it would be healthiest, they'd be in their 90s by the time the census results from this year are released) or would want to look them up. So we're talking potential grandchildren or great-grandchildren here! I'm not going to concern myself with their opinions, particularly as they don't even exist yet!

I'm sorry you don't take pride in your work. That however is very much your problem and not mine. I am 21 and a high school dropout, running a successful first time business during a recession. I am better off than most of my friends, I am married and I am a home owner. I have great self confidence, great friends and family. Basically my life is awesome, I have everything to be proud of, and any children I have will be raised in a stable, non-judgemental family surrounded by good influences and, when they're old enough, people who will be able to give useful and accurate advice about sex and relationships. Couldn't ask for better, in my opinion.

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You are a very young lady and in perhaps a few years time your circumstances may be very different

in that you could have children..... have left this profession and not want it referred to in any way.

You may not feel that way now of course but at such a young age you have no way of knowing how your life

will pan out over the next couple of decades or so.

Not being ashamed of what we do is one thing... being "proud of it" is another thing entirely.

I am not proud of what I do at all.

Another beautifully patronising response.

If I have children they will be raised to be respectful of other people's choices. Life is hard enough for sex workers without bringing more judgemental people into the world. I would not be doing this type of work if I felt I would ever need to hide it. And speaking of judgemental people... what you're doing is only contributing to the stigma. Nothing wrong with keeping secrets if you feel you need to, we've all got people we don't tell everythign to and I get that. But trying to shame open sex workers into lying about their work when they're happy to talk about it isn't cool. Society is moving forward, and the more of us who are happy to talk about are work, the more likely it is that things will speed up and get better for all of us.

Besides, of all the things to take issue to, the census should be the least of your worries. It's pretty unlikely that even my potential children will live to see the results (assuming I have kids within the next 10 years or so when it would be healthiest, they'd be in their 90s by the time the census results from this year are released) or would want to look them up. So we're talking potential grandchildren or great-grandchildren here! I'm not going to concern myself with their opinions, particularly as they don't even exist yet!

I'm sorry you don't take pride in your work. That however is very much your problem and not mine. I am 21 and a high school dropout, running a successful first time business during a recession. I am better off than most of my friends, I am married and I am a home owner. I have great self confidence, great friends and family. Basically my life is awesome, I have everything to be proud of, and any children I have will be raised in a stable, non-judgemental family surrounded by good influences and, when they're old enough, people who will be able to give useful and accurate advice about sex and relationships. Couldn't ask for better, in my opinion.

Krystal, I have often posted openly and indeed privately to you how much I admire you and your many qualities. I find Adele may not always use the most diplomatic language but I dont believe she either was or was trying to be patronising. You are young and have everything going for you but others who have gone before you do have a very important thing --- experience. Very often there may be little difference betwwen a 50 yo and a 20 yo in their general attitude to life and sense of fun etc but the older person has experience. Even where you feel strongly about something,dont follow the advice of the older person necessarily ( change is good ) but do weigh it up carefully.:)

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Another beautifully patronising response.

I'm sorry you don't take pride in your work. That however is very much your problem and not mine.

There's a world of difference between "taking pride in my work" and "being proud of what I do". I wish everyone could take pride in their work, whatever it may be. As a student I swept the streets to earn cash to fund my education. I took pride in doing it but was not proud of the job and rarely talked about it to friends at the time.

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There's a world of difference between "taking pride in my work" and "being proud of what I do". I wish everyone could take pride in their work, whatever it may be. As a student I swept the streets to earn cash to fund my education. I took pride in doing it but was not proud of the job and rarely talked about it to friends at the time.

I think you understand my point then Paul.

I was not trying to be patronising but I can see why the lady read my words that way.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I would think a wg who is enjoying her career in her early

twenties will not be doing so 10 or 15 or more years down the line. The nature of the job means

we have a shelf life and this does not always mean in looks or energy. I doubt very much there are

many ladies who work at this job for more than 10 or 15 years and are sure they will continue for another

10.

The exhilaration and excitement/buzz and thrills we feel in the first few years of this job are wonderful

but they can not last forever ( or forever in our working lives ).

So I stand by every word I wrote in my original response to this thread.

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I think you understand my point then Paul.

I do understand your point Adele.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I would think a wg who is enjoying her career in her early

twenties will not be doing so 10 or 15 or more years down the line. The nature of the job means

we have a shelf life and this does not always mean in looks or energy. I doubt very much there are

many ladies who work at this job for more than 10 or 15 years and are sure they will continue for another

10.

The exhilaration and excitement/buzz and thrills we feel in the first few years of this job are wonderful

but they can not last forever ( or forever in our working lives ).

So I stand by every word I wrote in my original response to this thread.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what you wrote in this thread. I know I might not like this job forever and I might want to quit. That doesn't mean I'm going to bury my head in the sand and pretend it never happened. It's a period of my life, I'm doing what's right for me now, and it's making me happy. If and when it stops making me happy I'll stop doing it, but that doesn't invalidate all the good times I've had in the past.

And even if I end up hating it, and thinking that it wasn't the right decision for me... it still happened. You can't just write off bits of your life. We make mistakes and we learn from them, and gain life experience. I have learned a lot from my time as a sex worker and even if I wind up regretting it, I will stll have that knowledge. I spent over a year of my life in an abusive relationship. Do I regret getting caught up in that? Yes. Am I ashamed of it? Not at all. It was a part of my life and I've grown as a person because of it. I would not be ashamed for my children and their children to know that it happened to me. I can't believe I will ever see my choice of job as being worse than the loss of independence you get when you hand control of your life over to another person.

You might not intend to be patronising but when you pull 'life experience' (which is rediculous, you may be older but I have had a very full, chaotic life, and lived through more than some people twice my age, you have no way of knowing if you have more 'life experience' than me) that is what you are doing. I know I don't know everything, I'm sure I'll learn a lot as I get older, but I'm an adult and I have the right to make my own decisions. My policy since I've been very young is to be honest and up front about who I am. If people don't like it (and they frequently don't) they can fuck right off. I am not going into this blind - I have learned the hard way how people judge you for your choices, and even more frequently how they judge you for daring to talk about them. But that is the way I am, and I'm not going to stop that because it bizarrely offends you.

I hope for a future for my potential children where sex workers and sluts aren't judged by society. The only way that's ever going to happen is if there are women like me who are willing to talk about what we do without shame. That's not a choice that's for everyone, but if you try to shut people up you're actually making the situation worse. I think most women would prefer it if we could talk about our work with our friends and family easily without fear of judgement, and I'd like to be part of what makes that happen.

There's a world of difference between "taking pride in my work" and "being proud of what I do". I wish everyone could take pride in their work, whatever it may be. As a student I swept the streets to earn cash to fund my education. I took pride in doing it but was not proud of the job and rarely talked about it to friends at the time.

Ok, I understand the difference, so I'll rephrase. I think it's very sad if someone is doing a job that they can't be proud of. I love the feeling of being able to chat to people who matter to me about my job, and tell them how awesome it is. I feel bad for anyone who does any kind of work and isn't proud of it - especially if it is a long term career. That doesn't seem like a happy way to live :/ But just because some sex workers aren't proud of their work doesn't mean I shouldn't be. I'm a proud prostitute - I wouldn't judge anyone for feeling differently about themselves so don't judge me for feeling the way I do.

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