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Blackmail Threats

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In a comment on the "Name Turn Offs" thread Sparkstar has raised the possibility of being blackmailed by a WG.In all my reading here that's the first time I have seen this topic raised. Has anyone experienced even the hint of a threat of Blackmail? I would be very surprised but I thought it was worth asking.

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Yes from a maid funnily enough.

She was going to go to the press and sell her story to the press unless we gave her £10k. She got f*ck all, had no story and didn't go to the press. However it was a lesson learnt about trust for us at the time but one that we soon forgot.

People who blackmail or attempt blackmail are scum. This is one offence that the police do take seriously, so if you think someone is trying to blackmail do not hesitate to go to the police. If some numpty uniform plod tries to fob you off ask to speak to the duty CID officer.

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I am sure that an upsurge in blackmail could have been one of the consequences making the purchase of sex a criminal offense.

it would have created the same opportunities that there were before the Wolfenden report and subsequent Act in 1967

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This is one offence that the police do take seriously, so if you think someone is trying to blackmail do not hesitate to go to the police. If some numpty uniform plod tries to fob you off ask to speak to the duty CID officer.

I would have to add caution to that statement in that you should ALWAYS be mindfull of your position before you go to plod as they might just take other things seriously too.

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If some numpty uniform plod tries to fob you off ask to speak to the duty CID officer.

He/she will, of course, be in civvies - to have any hope of relying on any assurances that you are given, you need to be talking to a DI ("Skipper" in the jargon, I think?) at least.

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I've known working girls try to blackmail other girls. Normally its a case of 'you do as I want you to do or I'll out you to the press (normally to get rid of the competition).

Wasn't there talk of a couple of Hastings sisters that tried to blackmail a few clients not so long back? I'm sure it must happen.

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This is one offence that the police do take seriously, so if you think someone is trying to blackmail do not hesitate to go to the police.

In theory that's true but as Sasha says you do have to consider your own position before calling the police. You don't know who's going to be dealing with the case. Some police are absolutely fantastic and will give it 100%. Some will be absolute bastards and would arrest their own grandmother if it made them look good. It's all targets these days and the use of discretion went out the window a long time ago.

I think that sometimes you've got to be "whiter than white" before getting the police involved. I've even come across police who themselves say that they would think long and hard before getting the police involved and have told their wives and family to contact them before making the call.

If you've done nothing illegal then by all means go to the police. If you have, and it's serious, and easy to prove, then you might want to consider other options, such as calling the blackmailer's bluff.

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The blackmail bit is taken quite seriously by our security forces, I know someone who was asked to provide references for someone who had applied for a job at a government research place and the person providing the reference was grilled for 2 hours by a couple of very serious people about his sexual, drinking and other blackmailable activities.

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The blackmail bit is taken quite seriously by our security forces, I know someone who was asked to provide references for someone who had applied for a job at a government research place and the person providing the reference was grilled for 2 hours by a couple of very serious people about his sexual, drinking and other blackmailable activities.

Bit scary!!

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A friend of a friend went for a job at GCHQ. my friend was named as a reference and got a document seent 17 pages long. It also mentioned that they would also contact him for direct interview if needed.

It wanted ridiculous detail into private life, habits of friends & family the lot.

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Wasn't there talk of a couple of Hastings sisters that tried to blackmail a few clients not so long back? I'm sure it must happen.

Jeffrey Archer, Monica Coghlan, Victoria Station and an envelope containing £2,000 springs to mind.

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A friend of a friend went for a job at GCHQ. my friend was named as a reference and got a document sent 17 pages long. It also mentioned that they would also contact him for direct interview if needed.

It wanted ridiculous detail into private life, habits of friends & family the lot.

I imagine it's the same as in the US, if you tell them everything, they decide if you pose a blackmail risk. I put everything in a sealed envelope, and spare no blushes. I assume they open it and read every word I type on these forums, so long as I don't work against the government of the USA, or attempt to pervert a minor, they are fairly open on what you can/can't do, in my experience. I imagine it is the same here. My CO, says it is probably better to using the services of prostitutes, rather than picking up random women in bars, as you are much more traceable, so long as you are candid when it comes to the security clearance renewal.

I love Obama. (hopefully irony is lost on the DOHS)

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Ive been victim to attempted Blackmail twice, the first time I ignored her and have no idea if she did carry out her threats to bad-mouth me around town (or give her £50!?!), the second situation I had to resort to getting help from the Police. Thats all I still feel comfortable saying about it.

Never get an outcall from someone whos reputation isnt COMPLETELY bona fida, thats the lesson I learned.

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A friend of a friend went for a job at GCHQ.

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It wanted ridiculous detail into private life, habits of friends & family the lot.

No, not even slightly ridiculous!

GCHQ means that we are talking about "developped vetting" and, maybe, more on top of that. Just how can the state be sure that someone isn't liable to pressure?

In the "good old days", if you were stationed in Germany you could get DM200, which in those days would buy you a couple of hours in the arms of a local lovely, for a copy of the BAOR telephone directory, which, like every other bit of MoD bumf, was classified "Restricted", from your local MfS, KGB or GRU rep. Only teensy weensy draw-back, was that he'd apologise, but his imprest-holder was a stickler for vouchers, and you needed to sign a receipt for the two DM100 notes, and there they had you - your own signature for money paid for a UK classified document, which could be used to blackmail you into providing real classified docs!

Talking, at length, at almost endless length, to friends and contacts and relatives is the only way to try to be sure. Of course that provides no protection against the likes of poor daft Bradley Manning, but if Uncle Sam is silly enough to give SI clearance to a lad like that, then Uncle reaps what he sows! If we are into (real) State Security, then, if you are good at your job, and have a little non-criminal pecadillo like BDSM, or even just enjoying the odd hour with a WG, provided your wife/partner, if any, is OK with it, and you tell the Vetting Officer, it'll do you no harm whatever, and the vetting system doesn't tell your supervisor.

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There was a case of blackmailing by a wg who worked in Carols sauna, Edinburgh. The case ended with her two male accomplices going to prison.They had demanded 10k or else. Part of the fall-out of the case was the resignation of a sheriff, who was outed as a client of the place. If you have a position in life, I dont, you have to be careful about punting.

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There was a case of blackmailing by a wg who worked in Carols sauna, Edinburgh. The case ended with her two male accomplices going to prison.They had demanded 10k or else. Part of the fall-out of the case was the resignation of a sheriff, who was outed as a client of the place. If you have a position in life, I dont, you have to be careful about punting.

In case anyone's interested:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/11/23/sheriff-accused-of-taking-part-in-spanking-and-whipping-session-at-sauna-quits-78057-20916993/

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Ive been victim to attempted Blackmail twice, the first time I ignored her and have no idea if she did carry out her threats to bad-mouth me around town (or give her £50!?!), the second situation I had to resort to getting help from the Police. Thats all I still feel comfortable saying about it.

Never get an outcall from someone whos reputation isnt COMPLETELY bona fida, thats the lesson I learned.

Good advice regarding Outcalls but i could never trust anyone enough to give them my address, my logic tells me this must increase the risk of blackmail, although as its not something that punters post about on here happening to them very often and those punters i know havent had this happen, i assume its very rare.

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Out calls to your own home is asking for trouble, imho.

I once had a street girl steal my mobile phone, which had my wife's number and my home number in.

I was a little worried, but nothing came of it.

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I assume they open it and read every word I type on these forums, so long as I don't work against the government of the USA, or attempt to pervert a minor, they are fairly open on what you can/can't do, in my experience. I imagine it is the same here.

Reminds me of the ubiquitous question on the USA green form "have you ever been convicted of an offence of moral turpitude?"

I'd love to know what that means.

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Reminds me of the ubiquitous question on the USA green form "have you ever been convicted of an offence of moral turpitude?"

I'd love to know what that means.

"Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?"

Moral Turpitude = "conduct that is considered contrary to community standards of justice, honesty or good morals."

Offences relating to Prostitution come within the category relating to Crimes Committed Against Person, Family Relationship, and Sexual Morality.

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Reminds me of the ubiquitous question on the USA green form "have you ever been convicted of an offence of moral turpitude?"

I'd love to know what that means.

lol, we don't have to answer those questions, only foreigners.

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Had a bloke send me dozens of threatening text messages saying he'd plaster photographs of me around my local area and rip off porn I'd made and sell it himself unless I agreed to do a porn film with him. No idea if he did, I wasn't in the habit of replying to texts, I moved, and retired shortly after (for reasons not connected I might add). If I remember rightly I did send one reply, something along the lines of "good luck doing that without my ID, signed model release form, or my permission".

The thing that got me was did he really think I would have been stupid enough to turn up and shoot with him rather than just passing the info to a police officer friend (or the big scary cagefighter variety lol - never would, as entertaining as the outcomes are in my imagination!)?

I've heard stories of guys being scammed by escorts, from the guys themselves, and have said to guys before that while they might trust me not to reveal anything about them, they should be careful about how much detail they give away during 'pillow talk'. Some stuff guys come out with over a shockingly short amount of time would be a con artist's dream. The same applies to girls, you have a double identity to keep yourself safe, so don't lock the door and then give everyone a key!

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In theory that's true but as Sasha says you do have to consider your own position before calling the police. You don't know who's going to be dealing with the case. Some police are absolutely fantastic and will give it 100%. Some will be absolute bastards and would arrest their own grandmother if it made them look good. It's all targets these days and the use of discretion went out the window a long time ago.

I think that sometimes you've got to be "whiter than white" before getting the police involved. I've even come across police who themselves say that they would think long and hard before getting the police involved and have told their wives and family to contact them before making the call.

If you've done nothing illegal then by all means go to the police. If you have, and it's serious, and easy to prove, then you might want to consider other options, such as calling the blackmailer's bluff.

Lets remember we are talking about blackmail here. I am aware of other situation where people have gone to the police regarding other matters and they have gone wrong and it is not for us to comment.

However anyone in this industry must be aware of the laws they are breaking or they shouldn't be in it.

In regards to blackmail, if you're not prepared to go to the police then make sure you are prepared to take there's shit on the chin or deal with it beyond the law otherwise don't come into this industry.

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