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Recession Over?

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im sure prices are creeping up...

its very difficult to find a decent working girl for the 60 pounds for half an hour mark.Sme that were charging 60 are now charging 80.Does this mean the recession is over?.....for some?

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It's not about the health of the economy it's about inflation.

Inflation tends to increase in a recession (as we're seeing now) so it's natural that WG prices may rise to match.

Punting is interesting as technically it's a discretionary spend, but for a lot of people it is one tier below food & drink. That probably makes it relatively inelastic (an increase in price results in a less than expected decrease in consumption). In punting I'd imagine it's all about cross elasticity which is your price vs. The competition. This means often that once one moves, everyone moves as long as the Market will bear the new price.

Economics lecture over ! ;)

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Recession over?? I'm afraid the country is yet to feel the worst. Living standards are almost sure to get worse over the next few years for most people.

Inflation may be an incentive to push prices upwards, yet my thoughts are many ladies have large margins. Any business must first squeeze their own margins before passing price increases on to the customer in this economic environment.

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I think things are going to get more tight for the majority. "Recession" has a particular definition and I don't want to get into highbrow macroeconomics BUT I think for punters generally there will be less net spendables over the next four or five years and accordingly I doubt that the WGs could increase their income purely by tariff hikes.

Indeed I was looking on the other site the other day and rather astonished to see a new lady - not far from me by all accounts - asking £150 an hour and £300 for two hours. I don't think she had researched the local market properly since those prices seem calculated to deflect demand. Maybe that's what she wants eg not to have too many clients.

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im sure prices are creeping up...

its very difficult to find a decent working girl for the 60 pounds for half an hour mark.Sme that were charging 60 are now charging 80.Does this mean the recession is over?.....for some?

Some ladies also find they prefer longer bookings for many reasons, so they have decided to heavily weight the fee for 30 minute appointments.

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im sure prices are creeping up...

its very difficult to find a decent working girl for the 60 pounds for half an hour mark.Sme that were charging 60 are now charging 80.Does this mean the recession is over?.....for some?

Why would that mean the recession is over? Prices going up (petrol, food, WGs, etc) shows the recession is in its worst

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Every single day the UK has to pay £120 million in debt interest. For 2011/12 the UK will spend £710 billion but all receipts (income tax, NI, excise duty, corporation tax, VAT, business rates, council tax, capital gains tax, stamp duty and road tax) will yield £589 billion (estimated) so we'll have to borrow another £121 billion.

Recession is a technical comparison of the output of the economy comparing one period against another. What we have to pay in the shops, for fuel, etc is more of an indication of where we are plus what's happening to business and unemployment.

Sex always cheers me up in any event as long as prices remain stable!!

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im sure prices are creeping up...

its very difficult to find a decent working girl for the 60 pounds for half an hour mark.Sme that were charging 60 are now charging 80.Does this mean the recession is over?.....for some?

I think the current price of punting has little to do with the UK ecconomy.

Its more linked to the housing market. We all know that this country is on its knees, and that most are feeling the pinch and having to tighten their belts.

Despite this, people are still paying for houses that are 30-40% overpriced. Pretty soon this will stop and prices will start to fall to a more realistic level.

As far as punting goes, its all about supply and demand, and so long as punters pay the prices, then the price will remain as it is or some may increase.

However its a fine balance and after reading some other threads here it appears that some Indies are suggesting that their prices should rise in line with inflation.

Thats all well and good, but they should remember that many Private Companies have had to stagnate pay or implement pay-cuts to continue trading.

We have many more years of hardship ahead and I personally think that things will get a lot tougher and only the Agencies/Indies who set their prices accordingly will survive. In essence I see the prices falling over the next few years. B)

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my thoughts are many ladies have large margins.

Now there's a euphemism I haven't come across before :D

I'd imagine that girl's prices are set by a strange combination of supply, demand, amount of required business (or margin if you prefer) and an undefinable quality that relates to self-worth. I tend to punt at the 1 to 2 hour mark and have found prices to be very consistent at the £100 to £150 per hour mark over the past couple of years. Increases and reductions (including special offers) happen frequently, but they tend to stabilize on a mid point in the range above.

Bargains can still be had. I had two punts for £70 for the hour last year, one of which was passable and the other generated a negative FR. Both girls are still offering the same rate on the purple site. You pays your money you takes your chances.

I even managed a 12 hour overnight this week for as little as £320 !!!!

That said though, I am usually paying exactly the same hourly rate for the girls I see now as I did in 2009.

Shame the same can't be said for the petrol I use when driving to the punt :angry: ,

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im sure prices are creeping up...

its very difficult to find a decent working girl for the 60 pounds for half an hour mark.Sme that were charging 60 are now charging 80.Does this mean the recession is over?.....for some?

Not noticed much change in hourly rates in my punting area, London and Herts but i have also noticed some half hour rates have gone up.

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Fees have not increased in the 7 years since I started in this profession.

At least that is the case in my own area and I can not imagine it is much

different up and down the country.

The price of absolutely everything has gone up at an alarming rate year after

year but the cost of seeing a wg has not.

Guys who used to visit me through my agency and are still doing so now I am indie

are actually paying less for my company. No agency fees to pay means I could reduce

my hourly fee and still make more for myself.

If escort fees had risen at the same rate as utilities/petrol/mortgage/food etc etc etc

then we would all be out of business.

To expect ladies to reduce fees these days is rather unreasonable in my opinion...

you are paying the same or less than you did almost ten years ago! You have a much

larger choice of women and in many cases receiving better services too!

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As Lord Young pointed out, most of us are actually doing quite nicely, anyone who has a mortgage, is quite a bit better off per month, than he was pre recession. The gain from that actually offsets most inflation. The only expensive commodity is petrol. Food is still laughabley cheap, booze costs next to nothing, compared to what they were in the past. If you hop about, you will pay what the wgs feel the market can take, find a regular, come to an arrangment,,,, if that suits you.

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I have to disagree with Pooter talking about people with mortgage been better off as that would depend on what type of mortgage you have. As I suspect you have a tracker mortgage which means you will be paying a lot less every month. Many people do not have this, as lots of the tracker mortgages where removed from the market and as a result have a fixed rate mortgage and see little change in the repayments, With cost of many basic commodities rising I think many people will be for a hard time, and things will get alot worse before they get better. Sadly.

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Fees have not increased in the 7 years since I started in this profession.

At least that is the case in my own area and I can not imagine it is much

different up and down the country.

The price of absolutely everything has gone up at an alarming rate year after

year but the cost of seeing a wg has not.

Guys who used to visit me through my agency and are still doing so now I am indie

are actually paying less for my company. No agency fees to pay means I could reduce

my hourly fee and still make more for myself.

If escort fees had risen at the same rate as utilities/petrol/mortgage/food etc etc etc

then we would all be out of business.

To expect ladies to reduce fees these days is rather unreasonable in my opinion...

you are paying the same or less than you did almost ten years ago! You have a much

larger choice of women and in many cases receiving better services too!

I sympathise with you Adele - your hourly income has fallen about 20% or more in real terms over those 7 years. I'm sure there are not many guys here whose income has fallen in real terms over such a long period.

But as economists would say, the market for selling sex is a very efficient one. There are lots of buyers and sellers easily matched, lots of competition, plenty of information on suppliers (substitutes) and pricing plus increasing supply over the last few years. In this situation, it's hard to raise prices irrespective of inflation.

The exception of course would be those ladies who are perceived to have a 'premium offering' and therefore have some pricing power (not necessarily the top end of the market.)

Back in the real world, there are companies/industries who can pass higher costs on to the consumer but there are plenty who can't. It's just the nature of the market you operate in so by saying guys are being unreasonable is irrelevant - it's just pure economics.

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Fortunately,I am financially insulated from the present situation.However,in times of recession,it is also the case that competition increases,in all areas.Punting is no different IMHO.

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Rates in my area (MK) have held steady for some time now but what I would say is that (for me) the more competitively priced end of the market is attracting more of my business. MK Angels, at 50 quid a half hour, is a tenner cheaper than the competition which if you punt weekly, more or less amounts to a free punt a month. Is the competition "better" (more girls, better flats, etc.)? Yes. But if the alternative is an acceptable standard of punting then these days, for me, the saving counts. This is in no way a criticism of the higher priced outlets which, as I have written often, are brilliant. But I have to say that while 18 months ago I went to Angels very rarely indeed, I find myself verging on being a regular now solely due to the price. The recession is pretty clearly not over and the point about inflation is well made. It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

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The reason I would disagree with Pooter and the Tory Lord Young is that for anyone who is self-employed, runs their own business, or people whose remuneration is a combination of salary and profit-related pay or commission, the recession will almost certainly have had a direct impact on their take-home earnings, negating the effect of lower mortgage rates even if they are on a variable-rate mortgage.

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the internet has a big effect on WG prices. now we can see all prices on line and adjust our purchases accordingly, even travelling to another town to get the prices we want.

look at the northampton thread. early on the OP was advised to go to MK.

its the same with car insurance where there are lots of cpmparison sites so we can check if we are paying too much, and I think this will affect a lot of stuff as people turn to the internet to get the best prices.

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I sympathise with you Adele - your hourly income has fallen about 20% or more in real terms over those 7 years. I'm sure there are not many guys here whose income has fallen in real terms over such a long period.

But as economists would say, the market for selling sex is a very efficient one. There are lots of buyers and sellers easily matched, lots of competition, plenty of information on suppliers (substitutes) and pricing plus increasing supply over the last few years. In this situation, it's hard to raise prices irrespective of inflation.

The exception of course would be those ladies who are perceived to have a 'premium offering' and therefore have some pricing power (not necessarily the top end of the market.)

Back in the real world, there are companies/industries who can pass higher costs on to the consumer but there are plenty who can't. It's just the nature of the market you operate in so by saying guys are being unreasonable is irrelevant - it's just pure economics.

Could we not say if a working lady hasn't increased y price in x years, yes in real terms that cost has fallen, but 1 - it would have fallen with the income of most other people as we all suffer inflation and the plight of the economy and 2 - If the lady is still in business with a reasonable standard of living, couldn't we say the lady had the margin in the first place or dare I say it was overcharging or feeling the benefit of a good economy?

Rather thatn saying, for example, Adele is 20% worse off now, maybe she had margins of 30% etc seven years ago?

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switching it the other way though for escorts - i tour reguarly at least every 6 weeks for 2 weeks at a time i can through my website adjust my price/rates to reflect where i am touring to and the average rate of where i am going to

you do get the odd person wanting to pay my home rates (which is slightly cheaper as my overheads in bristol are a lot less than when i tour but i simply tell them that if they want the special rates that i offer in bristol then to visit me when im there)

i research carefully where i want to tour to and make sure that i can get the higher touring rates and not had a problem with it so far

i think probably a lot of new girls who arent that well established may suffer workwise, but overall i find that business is pretty much the same when at home if not slightly better due to my touring as not so availble in bristol anymore

the internet has a big effect on WG prices. now we can see all prices on line and adjust our purchases accordingly, even travelling to another town to get the prices we want.

look at the northampton thread. early on the OP was advised to go to MK.

its the same with car insurance where there are lots of cpmparison sites so we can check if we are paying too much, and I think this will affect a lot of stuff as people turn to the internet to get the best prices.

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If you are freelancer & work remotely or your work location doesn't matter for the work, then UK is the last place to be in Europe...Belgium, Germany, Austria, Netherlands are some of the countries that will enhance your qualiy of life and moreover less expensive that UK.

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Rates in my area (MK) have held steady for some time now but what I would say is that (for me) the more competitively priced end of the market is attracting more of my business. MK Angels, at 50 quid a half hour, is a tenner cheaper than the competition which if you punt weekly, more or less amounts to a free punt a month. Is the competition "better" (more girls, better flats, etc.)? Yes. But if the alternative is an acceptable standard of punting then these days, for me, the saving counts. This is in no way a criticism of the higher priced outlets which, as I have written often, are brilliant. But I have to say that while 18 months ago I went to Angels very rarely indeed, I find myself verging on being a regular now solely due to the price. The recession is pretty clearly not over and the point about inflation is well made. It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

Indeed Trolley. I will be paying MKA a first visit very soon as I quite like the look of a few of their EE girls. If you have any info you can share then please PM me. They seem to be very competitive price wise, and £50 is not to be sniffed at. I am not saying that I punt on price alone, but if you can get good service for less, then why not give it a go. After all no one would turn down an opportunity to save a few quid nowadays would they ? :)B)

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