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In The Interest Of Mutual Pleasure...

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I have always as a consequence of my nature acted and reacted on the basis of treating everyone I come into contact with, as I would like to be treated. In punting this holds true but I do admit to having a bit of guilt lurking in the back of my mind whenever I am endeavouring to "help" an escort to an orgasm.

I know how I feel after one and I doubt if I would be able to continue with a days strenuous work if as an escort I had an orgasm with each encounter (I know its different for women, but energy is enrgy...isn't it?). Recently, in brushing up on my CAT technique I sense that escorts also employ a counter technique which I hadn't clocked as being so blatant in the normal run of things. This seems to involve (in missionary where the most effective CAT outcome is to be found) the escort assuming a position with legs high up in the air, caressing your earlobes. This of course is fine for porn star type thrusts (which we know are not at all intimately effective) but difficult for that all important interface with the clitoral region.

In a recent session where I am as sure as you can be that the lady achieved orgasm through my usual oral and finger work (yes I did feel guilty), we went on to the missionary position to begin my journey to nirvana. She immediately assumed the earlobe position and after some time although she said her groin was out of control and she could not sustain the position, in the face of my continuing attempt at CAT maneuvers she was prepared to continue holding that position if I hadn't given in and changed it. I have even on occasions managed to get the legs of a regular escort more horizontal, but for moments only. They soon become airborne after a while.

So, in your experience or view (asescort or punter)do escorts adopt a physical technique, alongside a business mindset, to ensure their working day isn't drained by achieving too many orgasms or is my observation of what seems to be the preferred position where the thighs and the angle of penetration is used to restrict real orgasm inducing contact body to body just coincidental? I guess such a position designed for banging away rather than slow rubbing contact works for the man and cuts down on any intimate chafing (and/or orgasms)for the woman. But they are human, not machines or a slab of meat just to be used without an element of personal consideration surely or is that too romantic a view for punting purposes?

How am I to perfect my CAT technique if the ladies will not keep their legs down and their thighs less rigid, although I confess that rigid thighs to restrict access is not such a regular factor and tends to appear only in a first meeting.

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I've always thought the escorts aim was to get me orgasmed and out the door as soon as possible,after she's taken my money of course,

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You will just have to tie them down :D I think if you have your body a little higher and increase the rubbing action you will still be putting a lot of pressure on the clit. Or just add one of those cock ring vibrators to the mix.

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I have always as a consequence of my nature acted and reacted on the basis of treating everyone I come into contact with, as I would like to be treated. In punting this holds true but I do admit to having a bit of guilt lurking in the back of my mind whenever I am endeavouring to "help" an escort to an orgasm.

I know how I feel after one and I doubt if I would be able to continue with a days strenuous work if as an escort I had an orgasm with each encounter (I know its different for women, but energy is enrgy...isn't it?). Recently, in brushing up on my CAT technique I sense that escorts also employ a counter technique which I hadn't clocked as being so blatant in the normal run of things. This seems to involve (in missionary where the most effective CAT outcome is to be found) the escort assuming a position with legs high up in the air, caressing your earlobes. This of course is fine for porn star type thrusts (which we know are not at all intimately effective) but difficult for that all important interface with the clitoral region.

In a recent session where I am as sure as you can be that the lady achieved orgasm through my usual oral and finger work (yes I did feel guilty), we went on to the missionary position to begin my journey to nirvana. She immediately assumed the earlobe position and after some time although she said her groin was out of control and she could not sustain the position, in the face of my continuing attempt at CAT maneuvers she was prepared to continue holding that position if I hadn't given in and changed it. I have even on occasions managed to get the legs of a regular escort more horizontal, but for moments only. They soon become airborne after a while.

So, in your experience or view (asescort or punter)do escorts adopt a physical technique, alongside a business mindset, to ensure their working day isn't drained by achieving too many orgasms or is my observation of what seems to be the preferred position where the thighs and the angle of penetration is used to restrict real orgasm inducing contact body to body just coincidental? I guess such a position designed for banging away rather than slow rubbing contact works for the man and cuts down on any intimate chafing (and/or orgasms)for the woman. But they are human, not machines or a slab of meat just to be used without an element of personal consideration surely or is that too romantic a view for punting purposes?

How am I to perfect my CAT technique if the ladies will not keep their legs down and their thighs less rigid, although I confess that rigid thighs to restrict access is not such a regular factor and tends to appear only in a first meeting.

I have no idea what the CAT or earlobe technique involve. I cannot actually recall ever holding onto a man's earlobes for any reason. Most positions a girl assumes will be for you to gain maximum pleasure, a WG is their to pleasure you so will really only have this in mind as she thrusts her legs in the air or raises her thighs.

An orgasm is no more draining than having sex for an hour so please don't feel guilty if this is achieved. I can only think that the position you want involves you putting your weight onto the ladies body and can see why this would be a problem, most men will take their body weight on their arms during missionary regardless of your bodies being against each other perhaps you are squashing them slightly which can be very frightening and although may be something you have enjoyed in your personal life an escort always has in the back of her mind her safety over an orgasm.

I really am trying to rack my brain here for the right answer but I guess just saying can you keep your legs horizontal is going to give you what you want and I don't think anyone will mind. A girl though is never trying to stop orgasm when in fact it is a bonus to the day.

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When I book an escort I hold the view that she is there to sexually pamper me, that is her job and that is what she wants to do and expects! I think it's almost a male/female role reversal from non-paid for sex, for me anyway. I let the girl take the lead, she spends a lot much more time giving me oral than I do on RO, we have sex in positions that feel best for me, trying to get the girl off is not something I make a goal...I'm totally happy to recieve pleasure and will not make too much of an effort to give, unless I sense she is very receptive!

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I have no idea what the CAT or earlobe technique involve. I cannot actually recall ever holding onto a man's earlobes for any reason. Most positions a girl assumes will be for you to gain maximum pleasure, a WG is their to pleasure you so will really only have this in mind as she thrusts her legs in the air or raises her thighs.

An orgasm is no more draining than having sex for an hour so please don't feel guilty if this is achieved. I can only think that the position you want involves you putting your weight onto the ladies body and can see why this would be a problem, most men will take their body weight on their arms during missionary regardless of your bodies being against each other perhaps you are squashing them slightly which can be very frightening and although may be something you have enjoyed in your personal life an escort always has in the back of her mind her safety over an orgasm.

I really am trying to rack my brain here for the right answer but I guess just saying can you keep your legs horizontal is going to give you what you want and I don't think anyone will mind. A girl though is never trying to stop orgasm when in fact it is a bonus to the day.

I don’t think that it is an issue of body weight. The woman’s legs do not have to be totally horizontal. Bent at the knees with her feet resting on or near the man’s calves is good. It is a very open position for the woman though. This gives an idea of what the CAT technique is all about: http://www.estronaut.com/a/coital_align_technique.htm

The earlobe technique is a term I made up as that is where the escort’s ankles seem to end up, against by ears.

I understand the escort is there to service the punter but it’s a human transaction nevertheless and the woman is surely more deserving of being considered more than an ATM for sex. Even with an ATM if there is an incomplete transaction and no money comes out it is not as rewarding as when some money does.

I remember the launch of a Sauce mix by a well known brand which was initially a flop although it tasted and looked great. It was the ultimate, all you had to do is add it to your meat, fish or whatever. Research before relaunch showed that people were rejecting the product because they felt they were cheating on their guests or families by using it as they had no input. So an ingredient was taken out and the instruction to “add milk” was featured on the packet. Sales soared as people then felt they had some sort of input to the final outcome of the meal.

Good to hear I need not worry about aiming to give ultimate pleasure during a punting encounter and can take some pleasure from helping the escort to “add milk”. For me that makes the sauce more personal……

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When I book an escort I hold the view that she is there to sexually pamper me, that is her job and that is what she wants to do and expects! I think it's almost a male/female role reversal from non-paid for sex, for me anyway. I let the girl take the lead, she spends a lot much more time giving me oral than I do on RO, we have sex in positions that feel best for me, trying to get the girl off is not something I make a goal...I'm totally happy to recieve pleasure and will not make too much of an effort to give, unless I sense she is very receptive!

Sure - I agree the primary purpose of a punt is to pleasure the guy. However whenever I have been able to give an escort an orgasm I have found that it hugely enhances my pleasure, not least becuase it reflects that she is genuinely enjoying my attentions. I have been to one girl four times and I find my time with her really uplifting and more than just sex. I would like to try and give her pleasure too but whenever I ask what she would like, she alwasy says whatever gives me pleasure. I wish she could be a little more selfish!

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The Coital Alignment Technique does not work if you rest your body weight on her. You are transferring your body weight to your pubic mound which then rubs against her clit. The rest of your body is suspended on your elbows and your toes the only part of your body touching her is your pubic mound and you can regulate the pressure on her clit precisely. Women and their orgasms vary in the after effects. Sometimes my GF is exhausted after an orgasm sometimes full of energy. After continuous multiple orgasms though most women are exhausted.

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I would like to try and give her pleasure too but whenever I ask what she would like, she alwasy says whatever gives me pleasure. I wish she could be a little more selfish!

Have you ever considered that she might be being 100% honest with you? Pleasing her clients might actually give her more pleasure than having an orgasm?? I've meet many girls, who I genuinely believe, love sucking cock! They get totally engrossed in it, I have little doubt that this is the part of sex that they enjoy the most, why not indulge them! :D

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I have always as a consequence of my nature acted and reacted on the basis of treating everyone I come into contact with, as I would like to be treated. In punting this holds true but I do admit to having a bit of guilt lurking in the back of my mind whenever I am endeavouring to "help" an escort to an orgasm.

I know how I feel after one and I doubt if I would be able to continue with a days strenuous work if as an escort I had an orgasm with each encounter (I know its different for women, but energy is enrgy...isn't it?). Recently, in brushing up on my CAT technique I sense that escorts also employ a counter technique which I hadn't clocked as being so blatant in the normal run of things. This seems to involve (in missionary where the most effective CAT outcome is to be found) the escort assuming a position with legs high up in the air, caressing your earlobes. This of course is fine for porn star type thrusts (which we know are not at all intimately effective) but difficult for that all important interface with the clitoral region.

In a recent session where I am as sure as you can be that the lady achieved orgasm through my usual oral and finger work (yes I did feel guilty), we went on to the missionary position to begin my journey to nirvana. She immediately assumed the earlobe position and after some time although she said her groin was out of control and she could not sustain the position, in the face of my continuing attempt at CAT maneuvers she was prepared to continue holding that position if I hadn't given in and changed it. I have even on occasions managed to get the legs of a regular escort more horizontal, but for moments only. They soon become airborne after a while.

So, in your experience or view (asescort or punter)do escorts adopt a physical technique, alongside a business mindset, to ensure their working day isn't drained by achieving too many orgasms or is my observation of what seems to be the preferred position where the thighs and the angle of penetration is used to restrict real orgasm inducing contact body to body just coincidental? I guess such a position designed for banging away rather than slow rubbing contact works for the man and cuts down on any intimate chafing (and/or orgasms)for the woman. But they are human, not machines or a slab of meat just to be used without an element of personal consideration surely or is that too romantic a view for punting purposes?

How am I to perfect my CAT technique if the ladies will not keep their legs down and their thighs less rigid, although I confess that rigid thighs to restrict access is not such a regular factor and tends to appear only in a first meeting.

I normally do RO and it enhances the punt for me if the WG convinces me she is enjoying it, whether she really is i dont know as some ladies are good at acting as i have seen on the party circuit. If it is an act but convincing thats good enough for me.

I certainly dont feel guilt anywhere along the line, i am paying for a service and thats the deal, if the lady gets some pleasure out of it, great but if not its the way it goes and not something i worry or concern myself about.

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Women do not all react in the same way to some set alignment technique. While you say it isn’t an issue of body weight, with the legs flat down it can be really uncomfortable with someone across your pubic area, especially if they are heavy or bony. You cannot simply dismiss this. While the sentiment to want to give pleasure in itself is lovely, your dogged attempt to give it without really taking into account any individuality of the other party involved makes you sound a little like a Gary Larson character of a geeky scientist pressing the right buttons under the glare of bright lights and massive microscope. Not everyone likes being pinned down as already mentioned. Some women don’t automatically climax, especially in that position and sometimes there is even a mental block. Trying to almost ‘enforce’ it puts a lot of pressure on the escort and can make her feel uncomfortable and resentful, which is very counterproductive to climaxing. You almost describe at times a struggle of wills going on with you trying to dictate where and how the escort should be placed. That can turn a good encounter sour.

Reading your OP, you could either be a really great client or a total nightmare. There is a very thin line, especially when you want to impose your set idea of mutual satisfaction. If the escort wanted to climax she could quite easily place herself in the position she feels best in, which might be totally different to what you seem to automatically assume will work. If you genuinely want to ensure that the escort you are with has a good time, then perhaps consider her individual likes and dislikes. There are times when getting a damn fine bit of ‘roggering’ can be very exciting and pleasurable for a woman. Reactions to orgasms are also not always identical in terms of being tiring for a woman. Orgasming a few times can be very invigorating. The most tiring aspect of any encounter can be the ego massage of a client who thinks he has the perfect technique, especially if it does not quite work for you. :rolleyes:

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I don’t think that it is an issue of body weight. The woman’s legs do not have to be totally horizontal. Bent at the knees with her feet resting on or near the man’s calves is good. It is a very open position for the woman though. This gives an idea of what the CAT technique is all about: http://www.estronaut.com/a/coital_align_technique.htm

The earlobe technique is a term I made up as that is where the escort’s ankles seem to end up, against by ears.

I understand the escort is there to service the punter but it’s a human transaction nevertheless and the woman is surely more deserving of being considered more than an ATM for sex. Even with an ATM if there is an incomplete transaction and no money comes out it is not as rewarding as when some money does.

I remember the launch of a Sauce mix by a well known brand which was initially a flop although it tasted and looked great. It was the ultimate, all you had to do is add it to your meat, fish or whatever. Research before relaunch showed that people were rejecting the product because they felt they were cheating on their guests or families by using it as they had no input. So an ingredient was taken out and the instruction to “add milk” was featured on the packet. Sales soared as people then felt they had some sort of input to the final outcome of the meal.

Good to hear I need not worry about aiming to give ultimate pleasure during a punting encounter and can take some pleasure from helping the escort to “add milk”. For me that makes the sauce more personal……

Excellent post. FWIW I like your style.

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for me a good punt is where i arouse the lady hopefully to cumming

seeing a lady cum is such a turn on.

but i understand some ladies feel that cumming with punters a lot is too physicaly draining.

still, im gonna keep on trying. they will just have to imagine anne widdicombe on the bog if they dont want to cum!

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Women do not all react in the same way to some set alignment technique. While you say it isn’t an issue of body weight, with the legs flat down it can be really uncomfortable with someone across your pubic area, especially if they are heavy or bony. You cannot simply dismiss this. While the sentiment to want to give pleasure in itself is lovely, your dogged attempt to give it without really taking into account any individuality of the other party involved makes you sound a little like a Gary Larson character of a geeky scientist pressing the right buttons under the glare of bright lights and massive microscope. Not everyone likes being pinned down as already mentioned. Some women don’t automatically climax, especially in that position and sometimes there is even a mental block. Trying to almost ‘enforce’ it puts a lot of pressure on the escort and can make her feel uncomfortable and resentful, which is very counterproductive to climaxing. You almost describe at times a struggle of wills going on with you trying to dictate where and how the escort should be placed. That can turn a good encounter sour.

Reading your OP, you could either be a really great client or a total nightmare. There is a very thin line, especially when you want to impose your set idea of mutual satisfaction. If the escort wanted to climax she could quite easily place herself in the position she feels best in, which might be totally different to what you seem to automatically assume will work. If you genuinely want to ensure that the escort you are with has a good time, then perhaps consider her individual likes and dislikes. There are times when getting a damn fine bit of ‘roggering’ can be very exciting and pleasurable for a woman. Reactions to orgasms are also not always identical in terms of being tiring for a woman. Orgasming a few times can be very invigorating. The most tiring aspect of any encounter can be the ego massage of a client who thinks he has the perfect technique, especially if it does not quite work for you. :rolleyes:

Extremely well put.... whats described in the opening post actually sounds as if it could be very annoying! Women dont orgasm as mechanically as men. Some girls will NEVER orgasm with a client. EVER. They may fake it though. Others can manage it very easily. For others the very fact of what she is doing is enough of a mental block to stop any ideas of anything of the sort.... others however may get off on it.

You cannot insist that she should get off on it or that you know best how she'll enjoy it. That may be just about the most arrogant thing I have ever heard. Don't however feel guilty about it.... She's there to earn money, not to have an orgasm so you HAVE given her what she wanted :)

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Women do not all react in the same way to some set alignment technique. While you say it isn’t an issue of body weight, with the legs flat down it can be really uncomfortable with someone across your pubic area, especially if they are heavy or bony. You cannot simply dismiss this. While the sentiment to want to give pleasure in itself is lovely, your dogged attempt to give it without really taking into account any individuality of the other party involved makes you sound a little like a Gary Larson character of a geeky scientist pressing the right buttons under the glare of bright lights and massive microscope. Not everyone likes being pinned down as already mentioned. Some women don’t automatically climax, especially in that position and sometimes there is even a mental block. Trying to almost ‘enforce’ it puts a lot of pressure on the escort and can make her feel uncomfortable and resentful, which is very counterproductive to climaxing. You almost describe at times a struggle of wills going on with you trying to dictate where and how the escort should be placed. That can turn a good encounter sour.

Reading your OP, you could either be a really great client or a total nightmare. There is a very thin line, especially when you want to impose your set idea of mutual satisfaction. If the escort wanted to climax she could quite easily place herself in the position she feels best in, which might be totally different to what you seem to automatically assume will work. If you genuinely want to ensure that the escort you are with has a good time, then perhaps consider her individual likes and dislikes. There are times when getting a damn fine bit of ‘roggering’ can be very exciting and pleasurable for a woman. Reactions to orgasms are also not always identical in terms of being tiring for a woman. Orgasming a few times can be very invigorating. The most tiring aspect of any encounter can be the ego massage of a client who thinks he has the perfect technique, especially if it does not quite work for you. :rolleyes:

Yes, all of this.

I find clients who are determined to 'give me pleasure' or make me orgasm completely exhausting. If it happens, great, but sometimes I am just not that horny and it's going nowhere! There is NOTHING worse than a client who is sure he has the best fingering/oral/penetration technique and that it will work if he just keeps doing it long enough. People are more complicated than that, and especially most women. If I'm not genuinely turned on by a guy, I won't orgasm. If I've had an orgasm earlier, I'm very very unlikely to orgasm. If I've got a slight headache/back pain/etc that's distracting me, I won't orgasm. And that's fine! I really really enjoy my sessions where I am giving pleasure to my clients and they leave satisfied. In my normal sex life I am much more demanding (though even then, orgasm isn't guaranteed every time and that's ok because sex is fun anyway), but escorting for me is mainly about the buzz I get seeing a man leave my flat happier than when he arrived.

I read the link on CAT and I realise now many of my clients have attempted this! I have large, enhanced breasts on a slim frame which means that although they are not 'hard' as many anti-implant people will suggest, they have much less give in them than natural ones. Putting your bodyweight on my chest even if partially supported WILL push my implants down into my chest, compressing my ribs and stopingp me breathing properly. It's very frightening and I will always try to switch the position subtly without directly telling the client he's hurting me because I'm sure they don't intend to! I don't like to hurt anyone's feelings, but I can't allow clients (or anyone else) to cause me discomfort to that level.

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Recently, in brushing up on my CAT technique I sense that escorts also employ a counter technique which I hadn't clocked as being so blatant in the normal run of things.

Dude, If you brush your head against her a few times then turn around and urinate on her you are clutching at orgasmic straws.

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In all seriousness I do this without even knowing I am doing it. After a minute or two of thrusts I shift position for the finale. No wonder I'm fantastic at sex and here was me thinking they were all faking.

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So....maybe the way to go is pay the escort (that will make her orgasmic) then taking her physical wellbeing into account do what you have to do to cum within the allotted time (that will make everyone happy and satisfied)....Result!

I guess if you really want the illusion of giving her an orgasm you could ask if she could build it into a role-play scenario.

Perhaps Escort sex at its best is to real sex as own brands are to branded goods...it walks like a *uck, looks like a *uck, quacks like a *uck....but is nothing more than a glorified *ank. Anything else that occurs (genuinely or not) should only be regarded as an incidental bonus, not as an expected part of two humans coming together to intimately satisfy each other. It is the punters role to satisfy the escort financially then satisfy himself sexually. It is the escorts role to collect the money and the semen. No confusion or expectations there then.......perhaps?!

The popular view seems to be lto et the punter focus on his physical cumming (and that does not automatically include a second cumming by the way), not seek to package up the encounter in any illusion of deeper human interaction or see it as anything more than a paid for service duly delivered. The quicker this is achieved the happier she will be.....kerching!!!

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I find the whole area of wg sexual response interesting in an intellectual way because I am curious about life generally. As an experienced punter I have seen a huge range of behaviour from basically fairly similar activities from my side. Asking girls if they have enjoyed their time with you/did they cum is asking for trouble, and the punts will go much better if the punter does not explicitly try and force an orgasm from the girl. This does not mean foreplay should be cut out - - I think of oral on the girl as preparing them for sex, for example it improves lubrication. If it pushes the girl in the right direction fine. Same goes for sex positions. Just because there's a 'book' technique doesn't mean that a girl will come through using it, and while its helpful to understand that certain things might helf a gf to reach a climax wg's are very experienced and know their own bodies, so if they want to cum they will probably organise things so that they do, without any special assistance from the punter. I have learnt to control some of my own activites this way over time so i am absolutely sure wg's with 10-1000 times more sex experience than I have can certainly do so, if they want to.

At the end of the day the wg is happy with a satisfied client. I always think its nice if the wg enjoys it but that can take many forms, including getting paid and having orgasms

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I find the whole area of wg sexual response interesting in an intellectual way because I am curious about life generally. As an experienced punter I have seen a huge range of behaviour from basically fairly similar activities from my side. Asking girls if they have enjoyed their time with you/did they cum is asking for trouble, and the punts will go much better if the punter does not explicitly try and force an orgasm from the girl. This does not mean foreplay should be cut out - - I think of oral on the girl as preparing them for sex, for example it improves lubrication. If it pushes the girl in the right direction fine. Same goes for sex positions. Just because there's a 'book' technique doesn't mean that a girl will come through using it, and while its helpful to understand that certain things might helf a gf to reach a climax wg's are very experienced and know their own bodies, so if they want to cum they will probably organise things so that they do, without any special assistance from the punter. I have learnt to control some of my own activites this way over time so i am absolutely sure wg's with 10-1000 times more sex experience than I have can certainly do so, if they want to.

At the end of the day the wg is happy with a satisfied client. I always think its nice if the wg enjoys it but that can take many forms, including getting paid and having orgasms

When all is said and done I think "One eyed Panda" has the approach about right....I second that emotion!

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I agree with Krystals post completely, well apart from the reference to enhanced breasts - since mine are natural so I don't have the same experience!

By the way I've never had an orgasm via penetration, sure it feels nice and it's not for lack of trying.

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By the way I've never had an orgasm via penetration, sure it feels nice and it's not for lack of trying

I was told that by a lady I once visited too.

She said the only way she could do it was to be taken doggie style so she could put her hand under and rub her clit at the same time

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Didn't Kinsey say something about a purely vaginal orgasm being impossible for most women, and therefore some clitoral stimulation is necessary 90% of the time?

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This thread seems to make a great case for ecouraging the WG to take the lead !

On most punts I find myself trying to lead the punt in a routine manner that seems to work well for me, and that does include trying to pleasure her.

However after thinking of the fewer punts where I am more reactive than proactive and the WG does her thing so to speak, its clear that these have always been my most memorable and enjoyable punts. I can only think, particularly after reading this thread, that its because the WG gets her pleaure from doing her routine which works for her. Then she gets her satsfaction from pleasing her punter !,:)

.....................but then again..... I could be completely wrong ? :huh:

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Didn't Kinsey say something about a purely vaginal orgasm being impossible for most women, and therefore some clitoral stimulation is necessary 90% of the time?

But here's the thing, the Coital Alignment Technique is about clitoral stimulation as opposed to penetration.......

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