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Hi. I've been seeing a escort once a month. She has a friend who also escorts and they do the 2 girl experience. I'm very tempted to book them both but want to understand the legal situation. I know its not illegal if only 1 girl works from a place like my regular escort does but does it change if I also book her escort friend who normally works from another place and we meet at my regular escorts place? Thanks.

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I'd like to also ask a question on this thread if this is ok?

I've started seeing couples again, this I do on an outcall only basis. If I see a male & female couple at my place what are the legalities surrounding this?I have seen one definition of brothel being 2 women offering sex on the same premises, payment doesn't necessarily have to be involved. Of course this would make swingers parties illegal, which would be silly and unheard of but since I'm advertising as an Escort would this only open myself up to suspicion.

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I'd like to also ask a question on this thread if this is ok?

I've started seeing couples again, this I do on an outcall only basis. If I see a male & female couple at my place what are the legalities surrounding this?I have seen one definition of brothel being 2 women offering sex on the same premises, payment doesn't necessarily have to be involved. Of course this would make swingers parties illegal, which would be silly and unheard of but since I'm advertising as an Escort would this only open myself up to suspicion.

Here is what CPS says (and, sadly, whether they are right or not isn't that relevant):

A brothel is defined as "a place where people of opposite sexes (but see paragraph below) are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether the women are common prostitutes or not". It is not essential to show that the premises are in fact used for the purposes of prostitution (which involves payment for services rendered); a brothel exists where women offer sexual intercourse without charging. (Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549).

It is not illegal to sell sex at a brothel provided the sex worker is not involved in management or control of the brothel. A house occupied by one woman and used by her alone for prostitution, is not a brothel (Gorman v Standen, Palace Clarke v Standen (1964) 48 Cr App R 30).

So if the Police think that there might be money to POCA-POCA (sounds rather like Signor B's "Bunga-Bunga" doesn't it?) in a swingers club - or the neighbours complain loudly, that is indeed a brothel, and the manager can be "done" while the members, I think, can't.

So, if your "visitors" are husband and wife, then their intercourse is not illicit, but if they are not married to each other, then I think that their "connection" IS illicit, and so is his with you! Again, sadly, I fear that if the month's budget is strained, and the police think you might have enough cash to fund the raid, (or your neighbour is spitefully complaining) they could decide that if you are advertising "couples welcome" that makes you a brothel, with you as manager!

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Here is what CPS says (and, sadly, whether they are right or not isn't that relevant):

A brothel is defined as "a place where people of opposite sexes (but see paragraph below) are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether the women are common prostitutes or not". It is not essential to show that the premises are in fact used for the purposes of prostitution (which involves payment for services rendered); a brothel exists where women offer sexual intercourse without charging. (Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549).

It is not illegal to sell sex at a brothel provided the sex worker is not involved in management or control of the brothel. A house occupied by one woman and used by her alone for prostitution, is not a brothel (Gorman v Standen, Palace Clarke v Standen (1964) 48 Cr App R 30).

So if the Police think that there might be money to POCA-POCA (sounds rather like Signor B's "Bunga-Bunga" doesn't it?) in a swingers club - or the neighbours complain loudly, that is indeed a brothel, and the manager can be "done" while the members, I think, can't.

So, if your "visitors" are husband and wife, then their intercourse is not illicit, but if they are not married to each other, then I think that their "connection" IS illicit, and so is his with you! Again, sadly, I fear that if the month's budget is strained, and the police think you might have enough cash to fund the raid, (or your neighbour is spitefully complaining) they could decide that if you are advertising "couples welcome" that makes you a brothel, with you as manager!

The couples I have been seeing recently have been married, but then they might just say that. I presume it is therefore safer for me to stick to only seeing couples on an outcall basis.

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Zerojunk, I'm far from certain about this, but I think that if you book each of ther two escorts individually then neither of them is gaining from the activities of the other....in a legal sense. If one of them arranges for you to meet her and her friend it falls foul of the law.

And I think that the same would apply to the accommodation. If you have an outcall at home, or book a hotel room, then it's ok,but meeting in accommodation provided by one of the ladies os not.

But as I said, this is an impression, not a statement of fact, about what the law supposes.....

“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—a idiot."

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Hi. I've been seeing a escort once a month. She has a friend who also escorts and they do the 2 girl experience. I'm very tempted to book them both but want to understand the legal situation. I know its not illegal if only 1 girl works from a place like my regular escort does but does it change if I also book her escort friend who normally works from another place and we meet at my regular escorts place? Thanks.

Technically she would be keeping a brothel used for prostitution - section 33A Sexual Offences Act 2003.

You wouldn't be committing any offence, unless one or both of them is subject to exploitative conduct etc within the meaning of section 53A Sexual Offences Act 2003 (ie the new offence introduced last year).

I wouldn't worry about any of it. Just enjoy the session.

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I'd like to also ask a question on this thread if this is ok?

I've started seeing couples again, this I do on an outcall only basis. If I see a male & female couple at my place what are the legalities surrounding this?I have seen one definition of brothel being 2 women offering sex on the same premises, payment doesn't necessarily have to be involved. Of course this would make swingers parties illegal, which would be silly and unheard of but since I'm advertising as an Escort would this only open myself up to suspicion.

There's no legal definition of a brothel in the Sexual Offences Acts, no doubt because the combined effect of all the case-law is extremely encompassing, even if it is very inconsistent in many cases.

I think that you should assume that the scenario may very well constitute a brothel within the meaning of the Sexual Offences Act 1956.

There is also the common law offence of keeping a disorderly house - which may be more appropriate to your scenario.

I see that in my reply to Zerojunk, I referred to section 33A SOA 2003. I should in fact have referred to the 1956 Act. My mistake.

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