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Guardian feminists seem to be having a particularly bad day, to judge by the comments.

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Wow she looks scrumptious in that photo, way better than Billy Piper could ever hope to!

Edited by Vin DaLoo

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She looks lovely. And the vitriol directed at her makes me cringe. 'Children are forced into prostitution in India, you evil cunt!' was the basic thread of one of the posters. It's interesting that the only people who really stuck up for her in the comments were men. The message is lost in the screaming of entrenched ideas. How can you have a reasonable conversation about any topic when people are so angry?

It's not as if I hold her up as some ideal, but she has her own experience, she wrote about it, very well and successfully, she is entitled to her own authentic experience of her life, and her views at least in some measure are those of someone with some experience of the situation. More than you can say for some of the people passing comment.

Yes, the TV series glamourises the business. It's TV. I remember watching my hero Bill Hicks here before he died. He said the Supreme Court in America defined pornography as anything which causes sexual thoughts and has no artistic merit. Cue gorgeous southern Texan man accent.....'sounds like just about every advertisment on TV to me......'

You want to see real exploitation, real poverty of aspiration, real danger? Go into any nursing home, see the staff (mostly women), breaking their backs for minimum wage. Hard, demeaning work. And they are dealing with body fluids most working girls would have nothing to do with. And it's dangerous. I was attacked by dementia patients many times in my career. And I am LOVELY. And smart, and good at recognising body language and cues. Look at the rates of chronic back injuries in women who work these jobs.

You can sell your soul, but you cant rent out your pussy without attracting these views. Sorry, feeling cynical tonight.

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She looks lovely. And the vitriol directed at her makes me cringe. 'Children are forced into prostitution in India, you evil cunt!' was the basic thread of one of the posters. It's interesting that the only people who really stuck up for her in the comments were men. The message is lost in the screaming of entrenched ideas. How can you have a reasonable conversation about any topic when people are so angry?

It's not as if I hold her up as some ideal, but she has her own experience, she wrote about it, very well and successfully, she is entitled to her own authentic experience of her life, and her views at least in some measure are those of someone with some experience of the situation. More than you can say for some of the people passing comment.

Yes, the TV series glamourises the business. It's TV. I remember watching my hero Bill Hicks here before he died. He said the Supreme Court in America defined pornography as anything which causes sexual thoughts and has no artistic merit. Cue gorgeous southern Texan man accent.....'sounds like just about every advertisment on TV to me......'

You want to see real exploitation, real poverty of aspiration, real danger? Go into any nursing home, see the staff (mostly women), breaking their backs for minimum wage. Hard, demeaning work. And they are dealing with body fluids most working girls would have nothing to do with. And it's dangerous. I was attacked by dementia patients many times in my career. And I am LOVELY. And smart, and good at recognising body language and cues. Look at the rates of chronic back injuries in women who work these jobs.

You can sell your soul, but you cant rent out your pussy without attracting these views. Sorry, feeling cynical tonight.

Brilliant, Hicks fan myself, ever seen Stanhope?

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Wow. The level of vitriol and hatred in the comments never ceases to amaze me. :o

Some people just abhor the idea that an intelligent woman made an informed decision to enter the sex industry

and found it to be a rewarding experience ( in every sense of the word ).

If you don't like her work, don't read it !!

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The vitriol is, as others have already stated, loathsome. But to be fair, though she's generally impressed me so far, it does seem to me that she made a couple of ill-judged comments in this interview. The stuff about maternity leave, job conditions and the like was always going to be pounced on by people who were just dying for an excuse to discredit her and vilify her as being selfish, self-serving, posh, out of touch with reality etc.

Having said which, it's a pretty short article and I suspect that the quotation in question is taken out of context, and probably only represents a small fraction of what she said in the interview.

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The comments are interesting. There are some we would all agree with, even though they are from people who disagree with us. We all oppose women being trafficked.

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There are some we would all agree with, even though they are from people who disagree with us.

Who are "WE"? Any chance for you to crawl down from the fence?

We all oppose women being trafficked.

Definitely an award for stating the obvious.

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Belle will always be a thorn in the side of modern day feminists for the simple reason that they cannot stuff her into one of their stereotypical boxes and pour their self righteous pity upon her, she doesnt need nor want it. Belle flings in their faces the fact that "girls like them" can and do willingly seek employment in the sex industry, their cake baking, always looking perfect, career orientated single mum super women friends and aquaintences could very well be (and quite probably are) prostitutes right under their very noses...and they wouldnt have a clue. Let's face it...what on earth DO you say about a women who clearly has double the intelligence of half of them, a better career (or one at all) and is doing it by herself, she disproves their bleatings, simple

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and another thing, how can feminists continue to call them selves feminists when they contradict their own ethos that women are intelligent, independant free thinker's etc simply by their denial that ANY woman would willingly choose the sex industry, is that not stripping us of the intelligence and independance of thought that they have been banging on that we posses all these years??? :o:blink::huh:

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Belle will always be a thorn in the side of modern day feminists for the simple reason that they cannot stuff her into one of their stereotypical boxes and pour their self righteous pity upon her, she doesnt need nor want it. Belle flings in their faces the fact that "girls like them" can and do willingly seek employment in the sex industry, their cake baking, always looking perfect, career orientated single mum super women friends and aquaintences could very well be (and quite probably are) prostitutes right under their very noses...and they wouldnt have a clue. Let's face it...what on earth DO you say about a women who clearly has double the intelligence of half of them, a better career (or one at all) and is doing it by herself, she disproves their bleatings, simple

Chloe, as you usual, you make a lot of sense here. I could easily fall in love with you if only you could get over your hangups about foreign WGs. But I'm not British and MK is a long way from SW London. If I felt compelled to travel up to MK for the pleasure of your company, would that make me 'trafficked'? :huh: Edited by Tiggy 7

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Brooke was exactly the type of WG I would wish to meet. Transitional and maybe comfortable. Although I dare say she is in money spin mode more than a deep seated desire to promote prostitution. I feel she promotes a freedom rather than an impasse.

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Shes an incredible woman. I heard she donated money to scotpep without doing so publicly. This service has lost most funding and is missed by girls in Scotland.

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The article has a link to Belle’s new blog - well worth a read:

http://sexonomics-uk.blogspot.com/

here latest entry about the Rescue Industry:

Is there enough money in it to even bother making this criticism of the Rescue Industry? Well, thanks to a little tool that compares the money from funding grants over time, we can make a rough guess of what it's worth. For instance, funding for studying trafficking is enormous - in 2009, it was funded worldwide to the tune of nearly a billion US dollars. This is a total greater than the amount of grant money awarded to study lung cancer, which of course, is also devastating, and affects far more people. And spending on trafficking since 2000 has dwarfed the grant awards on such important international health concerns as malnutrition, malaria, or tuberculosis - conditions that kill millions of people worldwide every year, and affect hundreds of millions more.

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For instance, funding for studying trafficking is enormous - in 2009, it was funded worldwide to the tune of nearly a billion US dollars.

Link to source of stats; I struggle to believe this.

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Hi y'all,

Just to clarify - that Observer article IS NOT an interview. They cobbled together bits from year-old blog posts and presented it as if an interview. The reason presumably is because I have declined all press enquiries from them after my PCC complaint about the 'should be dead in a ditch' comment. (Unsurprisingly the PCC found in favour of the Grauniad.)

Jimmy Bond - if you click through to the link re: trafficking funding, it gives the sources. Granted they are from a US-centric research database (that is maintained by a former colleague of mine), but it is currently a better source for collating these things than owt else easily available online.

Bxx

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I've just gone back to the readers' comments on the article. There's another 3 pages worth. Stirling work from Jenny13 and Justapunter in particular. Well worth a read. They run rings round the opposition.

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Can I take my bow now ;-)

Edited by karin_sheffield

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On a serious note - feel soooo uptight. A friend let me down very badly a couple of years ago over a personal issue - as an aside she always used to deride my choice of newspaper (as though I didn't have the brain to sort the wheat from the chaff)....this proves what I've always thought - however 'high end' the paper, they'll just print whatever suits their agenda

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Not entirely sure where to put this link but here is as good as any. Now, women confuse me even more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1379070/Id-man-paid-sex-affair--deeply-provocative-thought-provoking-confession.html

A fairly interesting article in the Daily Mail of all places!

However, I think the writer was painting a grim picture and was way off when she said "The only reason we do have sex is to get a man, keep a man, steal his sperm and flatter ourselves that we are attractive. Once we have a man, his children, his name on a piece of paper, his youth and his house, we no longer want to indulge in that ridiculous, time-consuming, horizontal dance."

All her friends in their 40s with husbands/partners and kids seem to be having hardly any sex. It is tiring raising kids and although it is difficult, it is possible to have a reasonable sex life if you make the effort. Not all women (or couples even) go completely off sex post children.

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