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Do The Rules For The Fbsm Sub-forum Need Updating?

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The FBSM board is a excellent resource for people who are looking for a service provder with a very specialised set of skills.

The moderation of the board seems to have been tightend up dramatically in the past few days. A chap who was after a good massage with an OWO ending wound up on the requests for information board, with an admonition that he should be looking for a regular WG rather than a masseuse, as did a massive thread on Birmingham Masseuses, which was moved due to a post made by someone still in pre-mod who contravened the rules by mentioning in passing that FS may be on offer in a shop he went to. This led to names and contact details of masseuses being posted in the open forum. From my understanding, the FBSM forum was created to try to avoid this happening since a lot of the masseuses use their real names.

The mods obviously have a very hard job to do on this board, but I feel that whilst the modding was done within the letter of the rules, I don't feel that they were done within the spirit of the board.

Looking on Awank, MassagetheUK and other resources, more and more 'qualified' masseuses are starting to be more adventurous in their offerings. TCMs always seem to have had OWO and FS on offer if you knew how to ask, and a reasonable proportion of the newer trained masseuses seem to be offering OWO in addition to the traditional hand job.

Since the trend seems to be for wider offerings, is it time to have a think about changing the remit of the board? At the moment, the cut off is a hand job, and as soon as anything else is on offer, there's a risk that the thread gets deleted or moved to the standard boards. There is so much more traffic on these boards that the FBSM portion is in real danger of falling off quickly and the questions don't get answered or the information lost.

Could I suggest a different demarcation? Rather than have the line as a specific service offered, have once based on whether the service provider emphasises her massage skills? The people on the FBSM board are after skilled masseuses, and so will weed out quickly the people who aren't real masseuses and who aren't worthy of discussion.

Please fogive the length of the post - I didn't just want to post up a whinge about the modding done, but come up with a solution that means people don't have to worry about so much about what they're posting for fear of a post getting moved or deleted. Hopefully it should also save mods time having to go over all the posts and weed out those posts which talk about services that fall outside the current remit.

Thoughts on this would be very much appreciated!

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Agree with you Tibbs. You raise two good points.

The modding of the forums, particularly the FBSM forum, has been a little over zealous the last week or two with threads deleted or locked with no obvious infringements taking place. Hopefully this is only a phase they're going through. :P

The distinction on massage providers is tricky but I agree with your logic. In looking for a massage provider I am looking for, first and foremost, a decent massage. This is non-negotiable and why I never visited, for instance, Annet. Extras are secondary but i agree with you on the trend in services provided.

One thing for sure, getting an oral finish from a proper masseuse is not the same as getting a massage and BJ from a prostitute. The essence of the service - THE MASSAGE - is not comparable.

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One thread that got deleted I thought very rightly so. One where the poster explained how he corrupted his masseuse and indeed gave her several orgasms. He named this lady and the establishment. Come on, think of the repercussions.

Considering this poster previously corrupted and felt the need to unburden his guilt to us, this thread was in bad taste IMO, and a lesson unlearned.

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The FBSM board is a excellent resource for people who are looking for a service provder with a very specialised set of skills.

The moderation of the board seems to have been tightend up dramatically in the past few days. A chap who was after a good massage with an OWO ending wound up on the requests for information board, with an admonition that he should be looking for a regular WG rather than a masseuse, as did a massive thread on Birmingham Masseuses, which was moved due to a post made by someone still in pre-mod who contravened the rules by mentioning in passing that FS may be on offer in a shop he went to. This led to names and contact details of masseuses being posted in the open forum. From my understanding, the FBSM forum was created to try to avoid this happening since a lot of the masseuses use their real names.

The mods obviously have a very hard job to do on this board, but I feel that whilst the modding was done within the letter of the rules, I don't feel that they were done within the spirit of the board.

Looking on Awank, MassagetheUK and other resources, more and more 'qualified' masseuses are starting to be more adventurous in their offerings. TCMs always seem to have had OWO and FS on offer if you knew how to ask, and a reasonable proportion of the newer trained masseuses seem to be offering OWO in addition to the traditional hand job.

Since the trend seems to be for wider offerings, is it time to have a think about changing the remit of the board? At the moment, the cut off is a hand job, and as soon as anything else is on offer, there's a risk that the thread gets deleted or moved to the standard boards. There is so much more traffic on these boards that the FBSM portion is in real danger of falling off quickly and the questions don't get answered or the information lost.

Could I suggest a different demarcation? Rather than have the line as a specific service offered, have once based on whether the service provider emphasises her massage skills? The people on the FBSM board are after skilled masseuses, and so will weed out quickly the people who aren't real masseuses and who aren't worthy of discussion.

Please fogive the length of the post - I didn't just want to post up a whinge about the modding done, but come up with a solution that means people don't have to worry about so much about what they're posting for fear of a post getting moved or deleted. Hopefully it should also save mods time having to go over all the posts and weed out those posts which talk about services that fall outside the current remit.

Thoughts on this would be very much appreciated!

Very much agree with what you say. In fact, two minds with but a single thought. It was another posting of yours that inspired me to write my own posting(in which you get a starring role!). I was planning to post it in the main FBSM board when I saw this posting. I will be honest, I am a lazy git and I can't be bothered to re-write it for this location. So at the risk of repeating your argument, allow me to post it entirely and unedited:

Topic Title: The Rules of this Board - Time for Change?

I don't know how many of you remember, but this board originally started life as a single thread on the main board. So popular and massive was the thread that it was split into two threads - London and the rest of the UK. Then it got even bigger, too big to handle and this separate board was born. All of which showed just how much interest there was in the subject and now we had our own board, fantastic! Er...up to a point. Because when this board was created, the rules changed. In fact rules were created. Rules that did not necessarily reflect the character of the thread from which it sprung, nor, I am guessing the wishes of a large number, perhaps the majority of contributers. These are the rules, or single rule as pronounced by JKay:

Any discussion of, information on, or requests regarding FBSM (Full Body Sensual Massage) should go here. This forum is limited to discussion of providers who do not offer a Full Personal Service.

He then went on to slightly clarify following this question from Signalman:

Signalman: Just to clarify, does that include tantric, prostate?

JKay: Untill (sic) further guidance I would say its ok but its really about propper (sic) massage.

And that's it. That's the rule. Now I am sure that the lawyers amongst us would agree that you can pretty much drive a coach and horses through that and much of what makes it onto the board or is removed form the board is subject to the personal interpretation of individual mods. I, for one, take the Bill Clinton line and say that mention of oral sex should be allowed on the grounds that it does not constitute a "full personal service" as defined by the rule stated by JKay. However, many posts which did exactly that were removed. You see what I mean. The rules, as they stand, are not clear.

Now, I for one have often found these rules limiting and frustrating, because I did not feel that it either adequately reflected the world of FBSM that I have always experienced, nor did it provide for a board that properly reflected the wishes of the majority of the members. How many times have you read words to the effect of "what happened next went beyond the remit of this board. PM me for details" or " for another £20, I was taken a step or two beyond the remit of the board" I know that if I have used similar phrases in a report that I am consequently inundated with requests for further information, which suggests a huge interest.

So I wish to request a review of this rule and I also request of the mods that they do not move this post to the "Techie Stuff/Board Operations" board. Please allow this post to remain in this section so that everybody gets a chance to read it and contribute.

In a recent post (that was, alas, moved to the main board, the 'here' referred to in the post), Tibbs came up with what I feel is the perfect definition and an excellent foundation for new rules for this board:

Personally, I think that discussions of ladies who are primarily masseuses who do 'extras' should stay on the FBSM board (from reading your post, that's what I assume you're after) and ladies who are primarily FS providers where massage is very much the lead-in to the main event belong on here. I think this should have stayed on the FBSM board, as you're after a good massage along with your OWO, which is something you're unlikely to get from an untrained FS provider.

Just to clarify. I suggest that the new rules, which are quite simple, should be as follows:

** If the provider's main offering is a proper massage (be it TCM, Indie, Tantric or whatever) from which extras of whichever sort may or may not be offered, then it should remain here.

**If the provider's main offering is a full personal service where "massage" is just a pretext, then it should be moved to the main board.

Simple, eh. Well, not quite. There are two famous (some might say, notorious) establishments in London. One is very near Baker Street Station and the other is very near Goodge Street station. Both of these places are shops offering Traditional Chinese Medicine including massage and in each of these establishments I have enjoyed pleasures, shall we say, somewhat "beyond the remit of this board". Not just by me, but by dozens of us, scores of us. In fact, one of these places is now on the No Discussions List for this activity. So which board should discussions of these places be posted? Well, I say right here, because "the provider's main offering is a proper massage". And besides, extras were never a forgone conclusion with all of the therapists in each of these establishments, not even the one that made it on to the NDL.

Now I know that this place is not a democracy. Everything that goes on in Punternet.com is decided by Galahad and any rules or changes thereto are solely his decision. Although I have only been a relatively recent poster I have been a visitor to this site for over ten years. Galahad has always struck me as a fair and reasonable guy and I am fairly certain that if there was enough support or interest in re-focussing the rules of this board that he would at least consider it, especially if there was significant support for any changes.

Gentlemen (and ladies), your thoughts please.

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Whilst a new poster on here, my experience on other boards is vast, and as an administrator of such a board, I know how difficult such things can be. The moderator can be damned if he does, and damned if he dosen't. For that reason my postings on other boards are done under other names, so that my administration persona elsewhere does not colour my postings.

However I too like the OP was surprised at a topic that was moved, but shades of grey are difficult to judge, and whilst we may not agree with such decisions, like the man says we should defend to the hilt the right to make such decisions.

However I do think this is a useful subject to discuss and as such I too welcome the thoughts.

I personally would concur that the raison d'etre of the service provider should be the determining factor, not the extra that some client has received, as after all this is an information service, and the provision of information is being hampered, and I do not believe the description of services obtained goes beyond the area of privacy - after all, field reports do this all the time.

Yes some girls do exceed the criteria of what an establishment is there for, but that should not always be a reason for the red pen to run through the posting - after all if a provider in full service worl offered bareback to some I am damn sure I would want this information to be around, rather than swept aside in the interests of exceeding the remit.

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Wow! Were you up all night, niceguymax?

I would just like to add one thing.

If and when a thread is deleted, it would be useful to list the thread title and state a reason for its deletion.

This does not have to be a long narrative but just an informative sentence or two.

The same problem does not occur for a locked thread because the MOD who locks it can always insert a last comment

as to why it was locked, e.g. boring, circular, ... whatever the reason.

For deleted threads, there is obviously no trace, and some readers who have never caught up to the offending post are left with the impression that there was noting wrong with the thread before it was deleted:

"There was certainly nothing wrong with what I read! ...

But then it was deleted when I came back to it.

Why has it gone?"

Only the "offender" hears about the offence from the MOD. The rest of us fill a vacuum with speculation.

I think a "name and shame" list would be over-kill.

We do not need to know WHO caused the offence but it would be helpful to know WHAT caused the thread to be deleted.

This "deleted list" can be updated periodically and older deleted threads removed.

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Wow! Were you up all night, niceguymax?

I would just like to add one thing.

If and when a thread is deleted, it would be useful to list the thread title and state a reason for its deletion.

This does not have to be a long narrative but just an informative sentence or two.

The same problem does not occur for a locked thread because the MOD who locks it can always insert a last comment

as to why it was locked, e.g. boring, circular, ... whatever the reason.

For deleted threads, there is obviously no trace, and some readers who have never caught up to the offending post are left with the impression that there was noting wrong with the thread before it was deleted:

"There was certainly nothing wrong with what I read! ...

But then it was deleted when I came back to it.

Why has it gone?"

Only the "offender" hears about the offence from the MOD. The rest of us fill a vacuum with speculation.

I think a "name and shame" list would be over-kill.

We do not need to know WHO caused the offence but it would be helpful to know WHAT caused the thread to be deleted.

This "deleted list" can be updated periodically and older deleted threads removed.

It is worth remembering that all these changes would involve more work for mods (been there got the T shirt :o ). The system runs a lot better when it doesn't require mod intervention in the first place, I know, a pipe dream.

As far as thread deletion reasons go, the old board software vBulletin did allow the mod to put a reason for deletion, but this info was only viewable by admin and fellow mods. I don't know what features the current board software has in this respect.

As far as being given reasons for post deletion etc. by mod(s), in a perfect world that is great, but it actually takes up a lot of time to individually PM posters, or post with reasons every time a post/thread gets deleted. In the real world it will depend on how much time the mod has, and how much other stuff is kicking off.

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It is worth remembering that all these changes would involve more work for mods (been there got the T shirt :o ). The system runs a lot better when it doesn't require mod intervention in the first place, I know, a pipe dream.

Although sympathetic to the role of being Moderator, I am not sure how changes to the rules it would involve more work for the Mods. As things stand, they apply the rules that are current. If the rules change, the role and the job description remains exactly the same. Only the rules have changed, not the workload. And if the rule change does increase the workload, then recruit more Mods.

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Although sympathetic to the role of being Moderator, I am not sure how changes to the rules it would involve more work for the Mods. As things stand, they apply the rules that are current. If the rules change, the role and the job description remains exactly the same. Only the rules have changed, not the workload. And if the rule change does increase the workload, then recruit more Mods.

What salary do you suggest? ;):P

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Wow! Were you up all night, niceguymax?

Yes, alas. I have no life. But, as you know, it is a subject close to my heart.

I would just like to clarify that the only rule changes that I am advocating are with reference to the level of service offered. The other rules regarding therapists' identities and discretion regarding workplace etc I believe are eminently sensible and appropriate and should remain in place.

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I think the whole lots should be wiped clean.

When I mod this section I no longer add names to the NR list as its being used to indicate who is offering services outside the forum boundries, I no longer leave replies as to why I have deleted threads or replies for the same reasons, plus I do not have the time.

When something is deleted it still shows up to the mods so they can always reverse if they feel fit, the reason is also given for the team to see.

The forums about massage, its not about sticking a finger up her arse or asking for a BJ, its not about corrupting or praying on those who feel they are under pressure to provide, its about finding a provider who can give a cracking massage to a professional standard, if you want more look for prostitutes who hold a recongnised qualification and are not embarissed when asked for more.

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Although sympathetic to the role of being Moderator, I am not sure how changes to the rules it would involve more work for the Mods. As things stand, they apply the rules that are current. If the rules change, the role and the job description remains exactly the same. Only the rules have changed, not the workload. And if the rule change does increase the workload, then recruit more Mods.

Members can not follow the current posting rules, do you think they are bright enough to be able to follow more? recruiting more mods to accomandate members clues and secret inuendo is a way forward, but I dont see many names on the short list so far.

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Members can not follow the current posting rules, do you think they are bright enough to be able to follow more? recruiting more mods to accomandate members clues and secret inuendo is a way forward, but I dont see many names on the short list so far.

I cannot speak for Tibbs, but I am certainly not advocating more rules. I am advocating different rules and rules that are clear. The rules referring to activity are vague in the extreme. Let me quote you again:

"Any discussion of, information on, or requests regarding FBSM (Full Body Sensual Massage) should go here. This forum is limited to discussion of providers who do not offer a Full Personal Service"

Now the above would suggest that all activities up to but not including penetration would be permissable. But, judging from the Mods rulings that is not the case. You see what I mean. Not at all clear. If the rules were clear and understandable and truly reflected most contributers experience of FBSM, then your workload would be cut down considerably and your life would be a lot easier.

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When I mod this section I no longer add names to the NR list as its being used to indicate who is offering services outside the forum boundries, I no longer leave replies as to why I have deleted threads or replies for the same reasons, plus I do not have the time.

When something is deleted it still shows up to the mods so they can always reverse if they feel fit, the reason is also given for the team to see.

The forums about massage, its not about sticking a finger up her arse or asking for a BJ, its not about corrupting or praying on those who feel they are under pressure to provide, its about finding a provider who can give a cracking massage to a professional standard, if you want more look for prostitutes who hold a recongnised qualification and are not embarissed when asked for more.

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There is an old saying...

"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is easy to forget that you are there to drain the swamp."

There are indeed a number of posters who do not read or understand the rules.

There are some who do not understand the difference between public information and private.

Maybe you can educate all of us by starting with threads (not every post) which are deleted and say why.

In theory, this is not extra work since "the reason is already given for the team to see."

Why not let the offenders (and vacuum fillers) see too?

Who knows, this may ultimately reduce your workload.

This comment is directed to the MODs as a group, not any one MOD in particular, and it is meant to be helpful.

Oh yes, and I agree with the sentiments in para 2 by J Kay.

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There is an old saying...

"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is easy to forget that you are there to drain the swamp."

There are indeed a number of posters who do not read or understand the rules.

There are some who do not understand the difference between public information and private.

Maybe you can educate all of us by starting with threads (not every post) which are deleted and say why.

In theory, this is not extra work since "the reason is already given for the team to see."

Why not let the offenders (and vacuum fillers) see too?

Who knows, this may ultimately reduce your workload.

This comment is directed to the MODs as a group, not any one MOD in particular, and it is meant to be helpful.

Oh yes, and I agree with the sentiments in para 2 by J Kay.

The list of service provders on the No reports list that offer more than massage is being used as a search facility as a dead cert.

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I have to say that I think the coercing of a non hr-providing masseuse into giving extras is reprehensible. 'Corrupting' a legit masseuse and then bragging about it on the forum is tasteless and demeaning.

But to suggest that Punternet's Sensual Massage Forum should keep only to discussion of massages that come with no hint of extras, as has been hinted at by one mod? Hm.

What's the point of having this forum on a punting website? There is a group of providers out there who provide massage with some extras, but who stop short of FS. This forum surely represents with niche. That is the spirit of the forum, if not the letter of 'the law'.

I imagine it must be a thankless task being a mod here. Perhaps there should be more volunteers to do the job, as some seem to be getting jaded and would doubtless benefit from having a period away from duty.

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Now, I for one have often found these rules limiting and frustrating, because I did not feel that it either adequately reflected the world of FBSM that I have always experienced, nor did it provide for a board that properly reflected the wishes of the majority of the members. How many times have you read words to the effect of "what happened next went beyond the remit of this board. PM me for details" or " for another £20, I was taken a step or two beyond the remit of the board" I know that if I have used similar phrases in a report that I am consequently inundated with requests for further information, which suggests a huge interest.

In that case, if it goes beyond the remit of the board, it shouldn't be on there as a kind of 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink', should it? I had always thought that prostitution started with the exchange of any sexual service for money. I think the FBSM board was created for the benefit of those men who only sought a massage with a happy ending (in the form of HR) and had the (imo) delusion that this was not really prostitution as normally defined. Increasingly, however, many posters on the board appear to think that a fbsm might give them access to cut price sexual services, including penetrative sex. That seems to be what they are really after and wish to exchange information about. Hence the problem for the mods, as JKay has explained.

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I think the FBSM board was created for the benefit of those men who only sought a massage with a happy ending (in the form of HR) and had the (imo) delusion that this was not really prostitution as normally defined. Increasingly, however, many posters on the board appear to think that a fbsm might give them access to cut price sexual services, including penetrative sex. That seems to be what they are really after and wish to exchange information about. Hence the problem for the mods, as JKay has explained.

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I think the FBSM board was created for the benefit of those men who only sought a massage with a happy ending (in the form of HR) and had the (imo) delusion that this was not really prostitution as normally defined.

Well, Professor, I am going to have to correct you. If you read my post above more carefully you will note that this board was born out of a huge single thread on the main board. This thread had become so large, such was the interest in the subject, that a completely separate board was created to accommodate it. You may be correct in assuming that some men prefer FBSM to salve their consciences by not indulging in prostitution, but I would hazard that they would represent only small part of this constituency.

In the original thread, posters were free to describe their experience in rather more detail than they are able to on the current board. All I am asking, is that the current board better reflects the ethos of the original thread. And also, that the rules regarding posting are clear and clearly understood. Which is simply not the case at the moment.

Increasingly, however, many posters on the board appear to think that a fbsm might give them access to cut price sexual services,

That is utterly absurd. If there are such punters, they need to take a calculator with them. With HR typucally at £20/£30, OWO at £30/£40 and FS at £60/£80 on top of the massage fee of £40/£45, you don't need to be a Maths professor to work out that this is definitely not a way access cut price sexual services. It is generally more expensive to enjoy extra services with a massage therapist than with a common or garden Tom. So why do it? Well, I know why I do it and regular posters and readers have their own reasons, but you can be pretty damned sure that it's not to get a cheap shag.

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In that case, if it goes beyond the remit of the board, it shouldn't be on there as a kind of 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink', should it? I had always thought that prostitution started with the exchange of any sexual service for money. I think the FBSM board was created for the benefit of those men who only sought a massage with a happy ending (in the form of HR) and had the (imo) delusion that this was not really prostitution as normally defined. Increasingly, however, many posters on the board appear to think that a fbsm might give them access to cut price sexual services, including penetrative sex. That seems to be what they are really after and wish to exchange information about. Hence the problem for the mods, as JKay has explained.

Excellent post Profman. IMO this forum seeing as its a punting forum primarily should stick to the discussion of paid sex only, and those WGs who offer massage with a HE or FS and clearly advertise they do. If they dont advertise it they shouldnt be discussed as offering it in my view. All that offer and advertise such a service are WGs and all that pay for such a service are punters, some might be deluded about it but its all punting.

If a woman is just offering a massage the yellow pages or google are the places to locate them in my view not on here.

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In that case, if it goes beyond the remit of the board, it shouldn't be on there as a kind of 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink', should it? I had always thought that prostitution started with the exchange of any sexual service for money. I think the FBSM board was created for the benefit of those men who only sought a massage with a happy ending (in the form of HR) and had the (imo) delusion that this was not really prostitution as normally defined. Increasingly, however, many posters on the board appear to think that a fbsm might give them access to cut price sexual services, including penetrative sex. That seems to be what they are really after and wish to exchange information about. Hence the problem for the mods, as JKay has explained.

That's why I'm arguing for it to be the remit of the board. Immediately the nudge nudge wink wink disappears, and the mods can Police the really hurtful stuff - the people who don't know what is public or private domain.

The real issue I have is that somehow the idea that a masseuse that gives a happy ending is not a prostitute. No matter how we dress it up, as soon as a provider is doing some form of sexual gratification for money, that's what she is. It doesn't matter what she brings you off with, her hand, mouth pussy, feet, armpit where ever, it's basically the same thing. That's why I find the current cut off faintly ridiculous. The cut off really should be any sexual contact, as JKay has alluded to in this discussion. However, if you did that, the forum would become a ghost town and the posts would just go on the open boards instead.

As for it being the cheap option? I'm not convinced about that. If you go to Saffyra for example, you pay £100 for a massage and OWO. Is this really any cheaper than what you'd pay elsewhere? I'd have to travel to her, and I can get a FS provider to come to my house and shag me senseless for an hour for £10 less. Likewise in a TCM shop, once you start tipping for extra services, by the end of it you've paid just as much, if not more, than if you'd gone to a regular knocking shop. What people are after, and what makes the difference, is the quality massage.

There will always be people who try to push the boundaries of masseuses, for them it's part of the pleasure of the massage. Limiting the information will not prevent them going out and trying their luck. People may find that distasteful, however there are lots of distasteful things on these boards that isn't censored - I bet everyone can point to a post that has made them shake their head and feel a bit sick. For me it's the posts about Alex and her ilk doing extreme PSE. The posts about her and the relish with which she's talked about doing ATM and various other things make me feel faintly queasy, but I wouldn't want stop them from talking about it.

There are lots of people who want a trained masseuse who goes further than just HR. If the board's remit were widened, we could discuss the masseuses who openly gave OWO or even FS after a quality massage (which is the key point). That would mean those who don't want to push a masseuse's limits and just want what they want without fuss would be able to find such a provider. I hadn't had a massage before a couple of months ago, and when I did decide to go for one I knew I wanted a HE, so I used the board to identify a good masseuse who happily provided both. It saved me from going somewhere I wasn't sure, trying it on and embarassing us both. As it was, I turned up, was asked how I wanted my massage, she then asked, 'Do you want it sensual as well?' I said yes, and away we went.

I would word the rules something like this:

1.The providers for discussion on this board must offer massage as their primary business with HR, OWO or FS coming as Extras, either included in the price or subject to tip.

2. The users of the board must not name names if the services they're receiving either:

a. Falls outside of the service officially provided by the house she works in or would put the continued employment of the masseuse at risk (TCMs would be admittedly difficult here, as nothing is 'officially' on offer, but in general the limits of the various TCMs are well known)

b. You receive services that you feel would not be on offer to another punter having been to the masseuse as many times as you have.

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I've just read Smiths post, and I agree - the only place 'straight' providers have on this board is for information so people know not to approach them for sexual services.The only proviso for this is for providers who advertise on Gumtree et al who have to put in 'not a sexual service' to get listed, though these proividers usually make it pretty clear up front that extras are on offer.

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One thread that got deleted I thought very rightly so. One where the poster explained how he corrupted his masseuse and indeed gave her several orgasms. He named this lady and the establishment. Come on, think of the repercussions.

Considering this poster previously corrupted and felt the need to unburden his guilt to us, this thread was in bad taste IMO, and a lesson unlearned.

Oh, bugger, I missed that one Lilly. I will have to start waking up earlier in the mornings ! :D

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I have to say it is frustrating if a thread that you have been contributing to is blocked by a moderator and the reason for blocking not explained clearly.

There is such a thread on the sensual massage forum that is currently blocked (Massage in Hackney, Bow, Bethnal Green). Why block new additions? If there's something wrong in the thread, identify that bit and remove it, surely?

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I have to say it is frustrating if a thread that you have been contributing to is blocked by a moderator and the reason for blocking not explained clearly.

There is such a thread on the sensual massage forum that is currently blocked (Massage in Hackney, Bow, Bethnal Green). Why block new additions? If there's something wrong in the thread, identify that bit and remove it, surely?

With respect Waralong, this thread isn't about how the Mods do their moderating - as JKay has correctly pointed out how the mods do their job is not a matter for debate.

This thread is about the framework that the mods use to moderate the forum.

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