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E-bidding Future Of Punting

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I was interested to see a mention in another thread of a punter advertising himself on the purple site and this got me thinking about parallels in the business community and new e-bidding methods that businesses use to purchase services from suppliers.

Rather than the buyer trawling thru suppliers instead they create an online auction for suppliers to bid for the work. They specify exactly what they are looking for and prospective suppliers submit bids for the work. This us standard procurement practice now.

I wonder then how punting Market might change to reflect this trend? Can u imagine as. Punter advertising that you want a slim brunnette offering owo, cim and GFE near postcode w12 on Friday afternoon between 1 and 2pm?

Anybody actively doing this via the other site?

More interestingly does this maybe offer up the possibility of wgs rating clients......

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Surely that is the principle behind the Reverse Bidding system on the other site.

It has beed discussed on another thread and seems to work very well.

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I have used the reverse bidding process on the other site for several years. I am always amazed the amount of bids that I get. It is great fun choosing. Mind you - quite a few escorts have no concept of the geography of the UK!

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I think this is an interesting concept, but not just on a reverse auction.

Imagine say a popular, well reviewed escort who is part time. At the moment they charge a set rate. With an E-bidding sort of system, with them only available on a limited time, you may actually consider they could generate an increase in income.

I think for reverse bidding to really work there needs to be more clarity. It would seem the client approachs an escort now as this is most efficient. While the client chooses a provider based on more complex factors, looks, services, location, etc, the provider chooses, in most cases, the client based on ability to pay, it is hard for me to see how this delivers an efficient process. For this to trully work the punter would need a profile or passport type of system, but again, I can only see this as a marginal interest to most providers.

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I think this is an interesting concept, but not just on a reverse auction.

Imagine say a popular, well reviewed escort who is part time. At the moment they charge a set rate. With an E-bidding sort of system, with them only available on a limited time, you may actually consider they could generate an increase in income.

I think for reverse bidding to really work there needs to be more clarity. It would seem the client approachs an escort now as this is most efficient. While the client chooses a provider based on more complex factors, looks, services, location, etc, the provider chooses, in most cases, the client based on ability to pay, it is hard for me to see how this delivers an efficient process. For this to trully work the punter would need a profile or passport type of system, but again, I can only see this as a marginal interest to most providers.

If I understand what you are saying, it is that in a reverse bidding system the wg chooses the punter based on the sole criteria of ability to pay and that bidding for business on such a basis would not be of interest to the wg and few would be motivated to do so?

Not sure I agree, but the situation is complex with some providers so busy they are able to pick and choose their customers, perhaps picking from a "harem" of regulars, but there are many others (more I would guess) that are not as busy as they'd like to be and could benefit from the ability to bid for business they'd never get the opportunity of otherwise. It also would helps independents who get lost in the crowd on the internet, often overshadowed by the big agencies. So in summary there us the disadvantage hat the provider has to bid a lower price than a normal booking, but that is offset by getting business they would not have had in the first place otherwise, plus we should not forget that punters when choosing their successful bidder may not do so purely on basis of price - I would certainly pay 150 for the girl I want rather than 140 for one I don't.

So as a provider determining which bids to get involved with it should be based not only on the price point the punter us willing to pay, but also on how well they match the other bid criteria such as physical type, services offered, availability and of course as mentioned above location!

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I was interested to see a mention in another thread of a punter advertising himself on the purple site and this got me thinking about parallels in the business community and new e-bidding methods that businesses use to purchase services from suppliers.

Rather than the buyer trawling thru suppliers instead they create an online auction for suppliers to bid for the work. They specify exactly what they are looking for and prospective suppliers submit bids for the work. This us standard procurement practice now.

I wonder then how punting Market might change to reflect this trend? Can u imagine as. Punter advertising that you want a slim brunnette offering owo, cim and GFE near postcode w12 on Friday afternoon between 1 and 2pm?

Anybody actively doing this via the other site?

More interestingly does this maybe offer up the possibility of wgs rating clients......

As i am the one paying i have no interest in being rated by a WG anymore than i would have by the car dealer i bought a car from, its not relevant.

I think the idea you mention here is a good one and is somewhat similar to reverse booking but could increase the quality of WGs coming forward interested. I know from punters and on here some WGs who reverse book are not what the punter is looking for and often not in the same part of the country. Personally i dont reverse book as i am happy with my usual modus which generally serves me well.

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I was interested to see a mention in another thread of a punter advertising himself on the purple site and this got me thinking about parallels in the business community and new e-bidding methods that businesses use to purchase services from suppliers.

Rather than the buyer trawling thru suppliers instead they create an online auction for suppliers to bid for the work. They specify exactly what they are looking for and prospective suppliers submit bids for the work. This us standard procurement practice now.

I wonder then how punting Market might change to reflect this trend? Can u imagine as. Punter advertising that you want a slim brunnette offering owo, cim and GFE near postcode w12 on Friday afternoon between 1 and 2pm?

Having been involved with some business clients who use e-bidding for procurement of goods and services, my only problem is that there can be too much emphasis on price at the expense of other requirements like quality or service. It seemed to work better with highly commoditised items but not so well with anything customised or tailored.

People have reported on here that the reverse bidding can work really well on the Purple site but again it seems to be price orientated over quality.

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People have reported on here that the reverse bidding can work really well on the Purple site but again it seems to be price orientated over quality.

Although it is very price orientated on the surface, which is countered by two other factors IMO.

Firstly, There is room for you to add comments about what you like and would desire from a meeting. This give you, as the person setting up the "auction" to list services that for you would be both deal breakers and deal makers. You can then balance the replies from the bidders, looking both at price against other details offered.

Here is an example of a recent reply, to a bid that I had set up;

I've got to come down to ******* to meet someone ******** on Saturday so this would suit me perfectly! 9pm would be perfect too. I realise I might not be the cheapest option around but have bid to include a choice of a couple of extras and travel so we can really just "go with the flow!". I LOVE kissing - its one of my favourite things. If you need more convincing that it's worth taking advantage of my trip to *******, have a look at my feedback, field reports and profile. I will neither let you down or disappoint your expectations.

Really really hope to hear from you!! Fingers crossed! x x x

Secondly, you have the final choice on which bid you accept. You can go by the lowest bid, or as in the reply above, go with one that was twice what I had proposed but a much more interesting proposition.

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Interesting post Corus Boy and what this illustrates for me is that reverse bidding allows the provider to differentiate herself from the rest of the Market because she can provide not only a personal response, but one showing she understands and can meet your requirements.

While I agree with Pvcman re the focus on price in business online bidding, that is driven often by the requirement of the business to buy a commodity and choose between a selection of buyers offering exactly the same product who are challenged to really differentiate themselves on anything but price. Now one could argue that sex is a commodity, but I think as punters our criteria are driven by our specific likes and dislikes, rather than finding the cheapest hole to stick your dick in. So if anything reverse bidding should work really well for punting, but maybe it is just in it's early days before wide adoption and I'm glad to see some people like Corus boy leading the way, let us know how it works out and any tips you have on using this method.

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Surely that is the principle behind the Reverse Bidding system on the other site.

It has beed discussed on another thread and seems to work very well.

The reverse bid option is fine for wg's if they happen to class the day as a non-working day. The trouble is that often the guy placing the bid does not bother to let the girls who he does not want to see know, just basically ignores their bids. This is a major problem if ladies are getting booking requests from other guys for that day. Will the reverse booker pick her or not, should she assume she is not wanted because she has not heard back yet, should she take the booking from the other guy who definatley does want to see her etc.

A couple of times I heard back from reverse bids on the day of the booking, once an hour before I would have been due to be in central London for the booking. I was in milton keynes and had stated in my bid that I would need to know the evening before. The rb's were rather annoyed at me when I told him that I could not make the booking.

My theory is that most wait until the last possible minute to see if "anything better" comes in.

Obviously I cannot speak for other girls but if I was still working this would in no way ever take the place of my regular way of recieving bookings. It would be for occasional additional jobs on days I had classified as "day off" only.

I have also noticed that some (not all) rb's do place ridiculously low offer's, how professional are the ladies going to be that they attract with bookings as low as £50 an hour I dont know...or how well turned out.

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You do get girls who treat reverse bookings like e-bidding - they just enter a price. At that point, that's the only thing you can judge them on, that and the contents of their profile.

However the ones who succeed in getting bookings from me are ones who treat it like an opportunity to pitch instead. The text space is a perfect opportunity for them to write something specifically tailored to me to get me to book them.

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Have had some great punts using the Reverse bid feature on the other site.. Infact I always choose to punt this way now..

I can specify exactley what im after.. And its great going through all the bids and choosing someone, I always seem to get girls who are usually out of my price range bidding which is a bonus or get longer time than could usually afford... I do like the fact the lady gets to write a pitch about herself, Shows she has read what you are looking for and confirms she can offer it..

Never had a bad punt this way yet. Maybe im just lucky..

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I've placed a few reverse auctions on t'other site and have always found them very useful.

I originally placed an auction when money was tight after unexpected car repairs - I was itching for a punt but couldn't afford full whack - to my surprise I had many bids at a nice discount from the girls' regular price for the same service. Of course, you're limited to those who respond (who may not be your first choice) but I've had a few cracking punts at reasonable prices via this method (one in particular before Xmas last year was from a girl I'd wanted to see for a while but was quite pricey - but she bid at a great price so I got to see her as she'd been quite quiet that week apparently).

If you can bid a few days or so ahead of the punt you do get a larger volume of bids than waiting last minute.

It can be frustrating when you are clear in your description what services you want and what area you're in when you get bog-standard replies from totally unsuitable girls but every now and then a real gem comes up who you hadn't previously heard of and it makes it all worthwhile.

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The reverse bid option is fine for wg's if they happen to class the day as a non-working day. The trouble is that often the guy placing the bid does not bother to let the girls who he does not want to see know, just basically ignores their bids. This is a major problem if ladies are getting booking requests from other guys for that day. Will the reverse booker pick her or not, should she assume she is not wanted because she has not heard back yet, should she take the booking from the other guy who definatley does want to see her etc.

A couple of times I heard back from reverse bids on the day of the booking, once an hour before I would have been due to be in central London for the booking. I was in milton keynes and had stated in my bid that I would need to know the evening before. The rb's were rather annoyed at me when I told him that I could not make the booking.

My theory is that most wait until the last possible minute to see if "anything better" comes in.

Obviously I cannot speak for other girls but if I was still working this would in no way ever take the place of my regular way of recieving bookings. It would be for occasional additional jobs on days I had classified as "day off" only.

I have also noticed that some (not all) rb's do place ridiculously low offer's, how professional are the ladies going to be that they attract with bookings as low as £50 an hour I dont know...or how well turned out.

I can't find anything in your post to disagree with Chloe, except that I wouldn't wait until an hour before to confirm, common sense dictates that you're likely to be disappointed.

If there is a weakness in the system both for booker and hooker (sorry about that but it has a roll to it) it will be the timing.

Again, personally, I would not be expecting to sit waiting on my confirmation of her bid, if she was to get a better offer or certain offer then I would not blame her for taking it. All I would ask is that she "withdraws" her bid, if that is an option on the bidders screen, or to email that she was no longer available.

From my side I would inform all interested parties one I've decided, it is a matter of respect.

In many ways the "Reverse Bid" system is no different to an ordinary booking in this area from what I've read on here.

Girls have an unfair number of no-shows, last minute cancellations or plain timewaster.

Guys also encounter no-shows, last minute cancellations or bait and switch routines.

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Interesting post Corus Boy and what this illustrates for me is that reverse bidding allows the provider to differentiate herself from the rest of the Market because she can provide not only a personal response, but one showing she understands and can meet your requirements.

"...I'm glad to see some people like Corus boy leading the way, let us know how it works out and any tips you have on using this method..."

Your 1st para, is well put. In a paragraph what I'd have needed a page to say - lol.

Your 2nd para, thank you and I will.

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At least its another step towards a freer market, which is in the girls, and the customers interest. Some girls are busy enough, but the majority are not. Most punters would up the frequency of their punting, if prices dropped. At the moment the sex industry is very rigid in approach to price. It would be in the interest of the parlours to make entrance free before lunch time, rather than have the girls sitting about without any customers,and so on.

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I sympathise with Chloe and although I have not used the reverse bidding on the other site it sounds to me that maybe it needs a few improvements to make it workable for the majority of providers and punters.

Seems there are two main problems reading comments of posters:

1) need some way of automatically closing bid process at a reasonable period before the punt date and time so that providers aren't left hanging about and punters are forced to select an offer or cancel the bidding process. This way even if the punter ignores all replies the girls will see the bid close automatically giving them time to make other arrangements. Punters would then have to consciously close each bid by accepting an offer or by closing the bid saying no acceptable offers received. If a punter does neither and let's the bid expire then it should be marked as abandoned. This would help wgs identify timewasters if they were able to see stats for punters of accepted verses cancelled versus abandoned bids.

2) punters getting responses from providers not matching the bid requirements. This is more tricky to solve. Anybody got any ideas?

Finally and this is a purely personal view, but what appeals to mr about reverse is ability to get a girl matching your requirements and not to get a cheap punt. For me I'll take the girl who appeals to me most not the cheapest ever. Provided of course it is within my budget range.

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I have always made a point of advising all those that have made an unsuccessful bid before accepting the winning bid. I have many appreciated responses back.

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I sympathise with Chloe and although I have not used the reverse bidding on the other site it sounds to me that maybe it needs a few improvements to make it workable for the majority of providers and punters.

Seems there are two main problems reading comments of posters:

1) need some way of automatically closing bid process at a reasonable period before the punt date and time so that providers aren't left hanging about and punters are forced to select an offer or cancel the bidding process. This way even if the punter ignores all replies the girls will see the bid close automatically giving them time to make other arrangements. Punters would then have to consciously close each bid by accepting an offer or by closing the bid saying no acceptable offers received. If a punter does neither and let's the bid expire then it should be marked as abandoned. This would help wgs identify timewasters if they were able to see stats for punters of accepted verses cancelled versus abandoned bids.

2) punters getting responses from providers not matching the bid requirements. This is more tricky to solve. Anybody got any ideas?

Finally and this is a purely personal view, but what appeals to mr about reverse is ability to get a girl matching your requirements and not to get a cheap punt. For me I'll take the girl who appeals to me most not the cheapest ever. Provided of course it is within my budget range.

A "time is up" trigger would be a good idea. If a girl is not emailed back within say 48hours of the booking taking place then an automatic "thankyou for your interest but not this time" email could be sent.

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It would be nice also if the details of the punt are correct. I once was chosen for a "champagne" breakfast. I took this to mean a bottle of champers and breakfast. The guy thought it meant a bottle of Asti Spumanti ( or whatever it was) and NO breakfast therefore I could not drink the plonk for fear of getting totally pissed at silly o clock in the morning. Slightly disappointing.

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Seems there are two main problems reading comments of posters:

1) need some way of automatically closing bid process at a reasonable period before the punt date and time so that providers aren't left hanging about and punters are forced to select an offer or cancel the bidding process. This way even if the punter ignores all replies the girls will see the bid close automatically giving them time to make other arrangements. Punters would then have to consciously close each bid by accepting an offer or by closing the bid saying no acceptable offers received. If a punter does neither and let's the bid expire then it should be marked as abandoned. This would help wgs identify timewasters if they were able to see stats for punters of accepted verses cancelled versus abandoned bids.

That would be an absolutely brilliant idea!

I've unfortunately been in a situation where I've bid on something because I like the sound of it, heard nothing in response even though I always mention in my bid, a reponse is always appreciated, made other arrangements only for the person to accept my bid at which point it's too late, then get angry and say something along the lines of "well you put a bid in".

Unfortunately the system is a little flawed - I think the above idea should definately be touted to the people behind the purple site.

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One of the problems I've had is that if you are away from home and only have access to the 'net through locked down employer / public access networks you may not be able to inform all bidders. It may be a case of phoning the chosen bidder, keeping a backup in case that falls through and sending belated thank you messages.

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I think I may use reverse bookings in a different way to other people.

I tend to put my booking up at least 3 or 4 weeks in advance, and I usually have the lady chosen the week before the event. When I look at the reverse bookings page (I set up a 2nd AWank profile so I could look at how other people phrased their reverse bookings) I'm often the only person who has put a request out that far in advance. Doing it this far out seems to mean I get a lot of ladies out of my price range bidding as well, as the benefit of a guaranteed booking makes up for the discount.

Anticipation is a major part of the punt for me, and the opportunity to get the adrenaline rush of the emails telling me someone else has bid and then I can go and see who it is and what they have to say. It also gives me the opportunity to see girls I would normally pass over, especially those who don't have photos but are willing to email them to you.

I write to everyone to let them know that they haven't been chosen, and I try to personalise each message if the lady has taken the time to write something original in her bid.

I've yet to have a bad punt from the Reverse Booking system. At the moment I only use it when travelling, but from now on I think I'll try it at home as well.

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I don't think Chloe has understood the way the reverse booking system works correct; sorry.

The booking is not confirmed when the punter accepts a bid. A reverse booking is only confirmed when the punter accepts a bid, makes a booking and the provider then confirms the booking.

If the punter accepts a bid and the provider can no longer make a booking it is always open to the provider to reject the booking. The punter who got stroppy with Chloe for failing to accept the punt was wrong to do so.

Once a provider accepts a booking, then all other reverse bookings for that time are deleted from the punters profile.

I think it is wise for punters to make their minds up about which bid they will accept at least five to seven days before the end of their booking to give them the most choice possible. Otherwise, they are going to have fewer options in terms of girls who have bid but will still be available.

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