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Guardian: Fifth of Britons unknowingly aid child trafficking, according to survey

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A survey by ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and the Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) is featured in the media today, including the Guardian which says the survey argues that 'People who buy pirate DVDs and roses from street vendors, smoke home-grown cannabis, give money to child beggars and use prostitutes may be supporting what the United Nations has described as "a modern day slave trade"'.

Link: Fifth of Britons unknowingly aid child trafficking, according to survey

I may be going blind, but I can't find reference on the ECPAT site to the survey, although there is a press release.

The print version of the Guardian has a map of the UK with percentages of people 'admitting to buying knock-off goods, visiting a brothel or giving money to a child beggar'. Unsurprisingly it is large conurbations which have the highest percentages (36.6% in Glasgow and 35% in Cardiff being the highest).

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That's shocking. Someone actually reads the Guardian??

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What an amazing exercise, even if it were true (which it patently isn't) in blame shifting. This 'unknowingly' lark has a million uses. If Hitler had thought of it, he could have wiped the Jews out much quicker.

Admittedly, just cos the police, bogged down with ludicrous government time-wasting, can't catch criminals, that's no reason to make it worse.

Why not blame restaurants. And supermarkets. By 'unknowingly' selling these filthy people food, they are helping them to survive and ply their horrible trades.

And: How many people here 'unkowingly' helped to start the Iraq war?

- By voting for a labour government . . .

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Surely if you take it on the unknowingly basis then potentially far more than a fitfth would be at fault. For instance I'd only have to visit a local shop and purchase nothing more nefarious than a copy of the Guardian, an owner or an employee of said shop may purchase a knock off DVD or even visit child prostitutes himself as an extreme hypothetical example. Seeing as how my purchase no matter how small has helped that person earn their wage then I will have unwittingly aided child trafficking by doing absolutely nothing illegal. Think how many transactions you have in the course of your lifetime and how many links in the financial chain there are and at some point all of us are likely to be in the same boat. Short of living in a self sufficient bubble I see no way of getting around it.

I remember hearing from a reliable source that you only had to gather an average group of something like 20 people together, say for instance a fairly busy pub on a friday night and it becomes odds on that at least one of those people will have delibrately (rather than the accidental click or pop up site) viewed child pornograpy on line. It is a problem that may be a lot closer to home than some of us might like to think especially as most of us know a larger social network than 20 people.

Unfortunately you won't stop people buying cheap knock off products, or handing over money to dodgy pimps etc as such in a world of over 6 billion people you'll never eradicate child trafficking sad though that is. Human Nature is what it is. I'm not quite sure how this study is supposed to help those being trafficked.

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A survey by ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and the Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) is featured in the media today, including the Guardian which says the survey argues that 'People who buy pirate DVDs and roses from street vendors, smoke home-grown cannabis, give money to child beggars and use prostitutes may be supporting what the United Nations has described as "a modern day slave trade"'.

Link: Fifth of Britons unknowingly aid child trafficking, according to survey

I may be going blind, but I can't find reference on the ECPAT site to the survey, although there is a press release.

The print version of the Guardian has a map of the UK with percentages of people 'admitting to buying knock-off goods, visiting a brothel or giving money to a child beggar'. Unsurprisingly it is large conurbations which have the highest percentages (36.6% in Glasgow and 35% in Cardiff being the highest).

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A classic case of conflation and blurring of numbers to create a false effect.

An anti-child sex trafficking pressure group wants some publicity. So it estimates what percentage of the population has done one of these few relatively innocuous things, comes up with a really huge figure and then says they have may have contributed to child trafficking.

They know that the newspaper will immediately add the word 'slave' for sensational effect, knowing that the public will read it as 'sex slave'. Job done.

So I'm down the pub, thinking of buying a pirate copy of 'Love Actually'. (Well I am a Fluffy after all). OMIGOD! I might be contributing to child trafficking! The child might be a slave! She might be a sex slave! Sorry I don't buy it (pun intended).

Trouble is a lot of people do believe what the papers say and the cumulative effect of this disinformation strengthens the radfem hand in trying to eliminate prostitution.

There are no easy answers. The serious researchers aren't taken, well, seriously, because the story they have to tell will sell less copy than the one above. Few WG's or punters dare stick their heads above the parapet. All we can really do is vent. Here.

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'People who buy pirate DVDs and roses from street vendors, smoke home-grown cannabis, give money to child beggars and use prostitutes may be supporting what the United Nations has described as "a modern day slave trade"'. B

Well, it's now only a matter of time before the Govt acts on this moral outrage and makes all these actions into strict liability offences, thereby criminalising a fifth of the population (more in Glasgow & Cardiff) and, from the fines, plugs the widening chasm between public spending and tax income.

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Also if you look at the annual report, you will also see it is another one of these quangos masquerading as a charity. It receives it's funding from the department of education and uses it to lobby parliament.

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A survey by ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and the Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) is featured in the media today, including the Guardian which says the survey argues that 'People who buy pirate DVDs and roses from street vendors, smoke home-grown cannabis, give money to child beggars and use prostitutes may be supporting what the United Nations has described as "a modern day slave trade"'.

Link: Fifth of Britons unknowingly aid child trafficking, according to survey

I may be going blind, but I can't find reference on the ECPAT site to the survey, although there is a press release.

The print version of the Guardian has a map of the UK with percentages of people 'admitting to buying knock-off goods, visiting a brothel or giving money to a child beggar'. Unsurprisingly it is large conurbations which have the highest percentages (36.6% in Glasgow and 35% in Cardiff being the highest).

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ECPAT began as a sub division of ECTWT (Ecumenical Coalition on Third World Tourism) apparently perceiving child prostitution as an inevitable consequence of tourism

A report from Childwatch:

"The content of this information follows predictable formulae. A typical example would be a case study of a very young girl forced or tricked into a brothel where she is obliged to service 20 customers a night for very low remuneration. In the story she will be rescued by a welfare agency and sent back to her village, only to discover that she has contracted HIV and will shortly die. It will be stated or implied that it is demand from Western men that causes her to become a prostitute. Aspects of degradation and abuse are repeatedly emphasised, as is the youth of the girl. The language used is often emotive. For example, one report describes 'the lifeless body of an eight year old child, left in a Saigon hotel room after a night of sexual abuse' (ECPAT Newsletter, 1995), while a campaigner told the press 'I still remember vividly the tears in the eyes of the child rescued from a Bangkok brothel who told me how she begged a customer not to harm her, only to have her pleas mercilessly rejected' (Bangkok Post 6/10/93)."

"In the current campaigning literature, both within South East Asia and in the West, the image of child commercial sexual exploitation is of small children being sought out and exploited by Western tourists. Much press coverage now is concerned with finding and punishing these men (and it is assumed that all sex tourists are male in this geographical region, even though there are reports of female sex tourists in other areas). Yet around the slums of the port of Klong Toey in Bangkok, men who cannot afford a 'real' (meaning fully grown) woman will find a young girl a reasonable substitute because she is cheaper and easier to control. While this is an aspect of child prostitution that many campaigning groups in Asia would prefer to ignore, it is likely that the majority of young prostitutes are not found in the bars of Bangkok or Manila but in the brothels in the rural areas or the back streets of cities. In many local brothels in Thailand and the Philippines, younger women are said to be prized for their innocence and freshness, while girls even younger are prized for their cheapness (Ennew, 1986; Black, 1994). Even among the better-off Thai men, there is a marked preference for younger girls. A 1994 survey conducted among students, office workers, and residents of a slum area, to assess the impact of HIV on children found that the most desirable age for prostitutes is under 18: 'Many males felt that child prostitutes between 15 and 18 were more desirable than adults, but that it was wrong to sleep with younger ones (under 14)' (Sittitrai and Brown 1994, p. 4)."

"One problem in the NGO literature is that the academic literature seems to be largely ignored or unknown. In addition, within the mainstream, campaigning literature, certain categories become blurred. Thus it is a feature of the reporting that: child prostitutes are often by implication only girls; pre-pubertal and post-pubertal children are often included in the numbers given for child prostitutes along with young women over the age of 18 years; numbers given for Western tourist clients are confused with numbers of Western tourists as a whole, with no account given of local clients; within the undifferentiated category of child prostitute, the origins of child prostitutes are hidden, obscuring aspects of origin, such as ethnic or socio-economic factors."

"Just as ECPAT dominates the overall discourse, so the single idea of sex tourism, with which ECPAT is associated, captures media and other attention (Lorayes n.d., Salinlahi et al, n.d; Asia Partnership for Human Development, 1985; 1992; Miralao et al, 1990; Lee, 1991; Hall, 1992; Anglican Synod of Australia, 1993; O'Grady, 1992; 1994). ECPAT began as a sub division of ECTWT (Ecumenical Coalition on Third World Tourism) apparently perceiving child prostitution as an inevitable consequence of tourism (ECTWT, 1983; 1990). One of the leading anti-tourism campaigners once wrote 'too much tourism is the rape of culture, the environment, women and children' (Srisang et al, n.d). The success of the campaigns now apparent in the growing interest in sex tourism in other parts of the world, but is particularly acute in Asia, where it often takes on an expressly anti-Japanese tone. ECPAT's original statement of intent makes this clear: 'The conduct of the tourists destroys all attempts to heal the wounds incurred during the Second World War. We would prefer to forget Japanese military imperialism, but, instead of the uniform, the Japanese come today in suits and violate the dignity of the people of Asia with a particular malicious form of socio-economic imperialism.' (ECTWT, 1983, p. 14)"

"Perhaps the most disquieting aspect of the literature is the generally poor quality of research. The overwhelming majority of publications and 'grey literature' in the field of the commercial sexual exploitation of children is characterised by muddled, low level or misunderstood theories, badly thought out and applied research methods, poor data and inadequate analysis. Most of the literature consulted for this review was so poor that it was not worth including in the annotated bibliography and, indeed, inclusion should not be taken as a sign of high, or even adequate, quality material. It seems that, in this field, the burden of proof about the truth of a statement does not rest with the research witness who is thus enabled to make a priori claims about the existence and extent of facts that people in general find so desperately uncomfortable that they would rather accept the incredible than ask questions."

"Campaigners discuss child prostitution using the language of the market place and talk about it as if it is a question of supply and demand (Good Shepherd Sisters 1994). Foreign men want children therefore they are supplied (O'Grady 1992; 1994; O'Connell Davidson & Brace, 1996). If the demand could be stopped, then there would be no prostitution, an idea that unhelpfully confuses moral and economic discourses (see for example ECTWT, 1990)."http://www.sexualfront.com/scandinavian_hypocrisy.htm

http://www.childwatch.uio.no/cwi/projects/indicators/prostitution/part1.html

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...the survey argues that 'People who...smoke home-grown cannabis...may be supporting what the United Nations has described as "a modern day slave trade"'.

What? Even if they grow it themselves? :mad::)

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Also if you look at the annual report, you will also see it is another one of these quangos masquerading as a charity. It receives it's funding from the department of education and uses it to lobby parliament.

More incest at our expense.

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Interesting what Loranhe says

I knew people in these pressure groups wanted not only a salary but the chance to feel good about the work they do in a safe unthreatened way but had not seen it as a remedy for full-on existential angst.

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