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Benchmarks? Advice Please!

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Hi all,

I am a first-time punter, having made the decision to take the leap about 3 months back after a bad bad divorce. I researched heavily, looking for the right lady to help me, trawled through these boards and field reports and finally decided on a popular London based Oriental lady running a website with some beautiful-looking Thai women and very reasonable prices. The object of my desire on this website had beautiful pictures and amazingly glowing reviews (someone saying she is much better than her pics, someone wondering if he could pay the bus-driver to turn the bus back to her house after the punt...etc). The rate of 150 seemed too good to be true for a head-turner as I thought she was from her pics. The website about the owner lady was very lucid and reassuring (treat me as your sidekick on this journey...etc) and I felt I was in good hands for my first experience. (Note: I am not naming the website/lady here - atleast not till my FR is published)

When I showed up, she was a disaster - the girl's pictures must be atleast 8-9 yrs old, she was old (late 30s is my guess), messed up teeth with brown brown stains and generally...ugh. The whole experience was bizarre - she wanted to go out for a bit after taking my money to top up her phones etc. After 10 min of this I left without having gotten physical with the lady - I know for sure I wouldnt have had ANY desire to go physical with her anyway. I just went in the door and gave her the money even though she looked like Halloween because this was my first time and I wasnt too sure on how to react. I know some of you will think i am dumb for not having turned tail in the first instance of seeing her, but seriously my heart was anyway beating wildly with nervousness standing outside and I was not thinking too straight.

After leaving, I was peeved enough with the experience to register here, write a full report on her and come here. I will share the link of the full report if/when it is published. The lady that runs the website herself has not replied to my complaining SMS (her replies while booking were within seconds).

Anyway, having set the context here, my real question is about benchmarks in the punting world. Did I go with too high expectations that she would look as lovely as her pictures? I am a freelance photographer over weekends and have used enough photoshop to know that these images are not photoshopped - just very dated or something very drastic has happened to the lady (drug abuse? Anorexia?) to make her look like that.

Is this usual in this world of men looking for fun/experience/companionship by forking out money? Are standards here as low - too many very recent reports on the lady are super-glowing about her beauty. I swear to god, I would have thrown up a little in my mouth if I got to kiss that mouth with those stained teeth. Or are my standards too high to expect someone next-door-beautiful-like-her-pictures for my money (not even strip-club/lapdance breathtaking beautiful)? Should I recalibrate my expectations (in which case I give up punting after this first time and go back trying to meet normal pretty women after I have recovered/emerged fully from my divorce) or should I try again, hoping to actually meet a girl that looks as advertised? Or should I go more upmarket (300+) to get what is advertised?

I know this sounds like an overreaction after just my first punt but I thought this lady ran a very well-established, well-respected, well-reviewed website and am now wondering if its me who came here with too high expectations and if this is the norm. Advice please?

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Hi all,

I am a first-time punter, having made the decision to take the leap about 3 months back after a bad bad divorce. I researched heavily, looking for the right lady to help me, trawled through these boards and field reports and finally decided on a popular London based Oriental lady running a website with some beautiful-looking Thai women and very reasonable prices. The object of my desire on this website had beautiful pictures and amazingly glowing reviews (someone saying she is much better than her pics, someone wondering if he could pay the bus-driver to turn the bus back to her house after the punt...etc). The rate of 150 seemed too good to be true for a head-turner as I thought she was from her pics. The website about the owner lady was very lucid and reassuring (treat me as your sidekick on this journey...etc) and I felt I was in good hands for my first experience. (Note: I am not naming the website/lady here - atleast not till my FR is published)

When I showed up, she was a disaster - the girl's pictures must be atleast 8-9 yrs old, she was old (late 30s is my guess), messed up teeth with brown brown stains and generally...ugh. The whole experience was bizarre - she wanted to go out for a bit after taking my money to top up her phones etc. After 10 min of this I left without having gotten physical with the lady - I know for sure I wouldnt have had ANY desire to go physical with her anyway. I just went in the door and gave her the money even though she looked like Halloween because this was my first time and I wasnt too sure on how to react. I know some of you will think i am dumb for not having turned tail in the first instance of seeing her, but seriously my heart was anyway beating wildly with nervousness standing outside and I was not thinking too straight.

After leaving, I was peeved enough with the experience to register here, write a full report on her and come here. I will share the link of the full report if/when it is published. The lady that runs the website herself has not replied to my complaining SMS (her replies while booking were within seconds).

Anyway, having set the context here, my real question is about benchmarks in the punting world. Did I go with too high expectations that she would look as lovely as her pictures? I am a freelance photographer over weekends and have used enough photoshop to know that these images are not photoshopped - just very dated or something very drastic has happened to the lady (drug abuse? Anorexia?) to make her look like that.

Is this usual in this world of men looking for fun/experience/companionship by forking out money? Are standards here as low - too many very recent reports on the lady are super-glowing about her beauty. I swear to god, I would have thrown up a little in my mouth if I got to kiss that mouth with those stained teeth. Or are my standards too high to expect someone next-door-beautiful-like-her-pictures for my money (not even strip-club/lapdance breathtaking beautiful)? Should I recalibrate my expectations (in which case I give up punting after this first time and go back trying to meet normal pretty women after I have recovered/emerged fully from my divorce) or should I try again, hoping to actually meet a girl that looks as advertised? Or should I go more upmarket (300+) to get what is advertised?

I know this sounds like an overreaction after just my first punt but I thought this lady ran a very well-established, well-respected, well-reviewed website and am now wondering if its me who came here with too high expectations and if this is the norm. Advice please?

Welcome to the forum. :) Sorry to hear about this experience. There are no benchmarks in punting, no guarantees but you did the right thing and as she had so many good FRs that i assume were recent and by not just first time authors i am surprised you found her this bad.

Paying more doesnt mean better in punting, bear this in mind it might save you a lot of money, unlike buying a £50,000 car over a £6,000 car where there is often a noticeable difference in quality this doesnt apply in punting as each WG is unique and its her attitude that dictates how good she is, money doesnt change a bad attitude, believe me after 28 years punting i know. Where you say £150 seemed too good for a head turner its not, where did you get that thinking from, i strongly advise you not to equate cost to looks or quality.

My advice is to post a thread asking for recommendations on WGs in the area you punt in including exactly what you want service wise, physical wise and price wise and read any FRs these WGs have.

Not been myself but i have punted with a number of their WGs elsewhere and personally know a few punters who have punted their so recommend HOD in South Kensington who have many FRs on here and are £120 an hour showing you really dont have to pay more unless yo choose to. I have paid £300 and £350 an hour in the past and the punts were no better in any way than when i paid £100 an hour to other WGs. Good luck. :)

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Thanks Smiths. I meant absolutely no offence to the ladies who charge 150 or less when I felt it was less for a head-turner based on pics. My thought was 'wow, I get to spend an hour with this amazing looking girl who sounds like great fun from her FRs, for just 150' - I would spend much more money and effort than that if I was dating a non-WG who was that good looking, to get into the sack with her :)

I had figured that a review site was a gold-mine wherein I could go by other's experiences. Having read other's experiences of this lady, I really did think it was going to be great. I am now wondering if my standards of acceptable looks/behavior are much higher than others. Or that punters are generally used to accepting poorer-than-advertised-looks?

My immediate thoughts of a next punt was HOD based on the number of people swearing by it, but my faith in others experiences has been somewhat dented. I guess it is really up to me to see if I want to give this thing another go...or just be friendly to my hand for some more time before I am ready to date :)

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Website pictures will always at least flatter the lady. That is true of the high-end agencies as well as the cheaper ones (and it is also worth remembering that bait and switch operations tend more often to pose as high-end agencies, mentioning no names, cough abeautifulamore cough). But, in my experience, the pictures on agencies specialising in East Asian ladies do flatter more than most (although agencies specialising in East European women run a close second). I actually don't mind that too much as, generally, I don't find Thai women attractive so when I do choose to visit one I am doing so much more for the quality of service and the value for money Thai escorts tend to deliver (although nothing is guaranteed, of course) than for looks.

If you do go big for looks and don't have a particular thing for East Asian women I would suggest you would increase your chances of seeing someone who is recognisable from their pictures by sticking to British, and western and northern European women.

I would echo smiths advice to make use of this forum for recommendations, though.

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You were very unlucky Paws. The others are right cost does not equal quality - I've had some amazing punts for £50 and bad ones for a lot more.

As for the future, do not part with any cash until you have met the girl. If it turns out that she is not what you expect, for what ever reason, then apologise and leave. I usually keep a fiver in my back pocket and give this to the girl as a fairwell gift in these circumstances. My general rule is never to proceed with a punt if I don't feel completely happy.

Better luck for your future punts.

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You were very unlucky Paws. The others are right cost does not equal quality - I've had some amazing punts for £50 and bad ones for a lot more.

As for the future, do not part with any cash until you have met the girl. If it turns out that she is not what you expect, for what ever reason, then apologise and leave. I usually keep a fiver in my back pocket and give this to the girl as a fairwell gift in these circumstances. My general rule is never to proceed with a punt if I don't feel completely happy.

Better luck for your future punts.

Excellent advice, thanks! I will give it one more try in the near future and keep everyone posted :)

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Thanks Smiths. I meant absolutely no offence to the ladies who charge 150 or less when I felt it was less for a head-turner based on pics. My thought was 'wow, I get to spend an hour with this amazing looking girl who sounds like great fun from her FRs, for just 150' - I would spend much more money and effort than that if I was dating a non-WG who was that good looking, to get into the sack with her :)

I had figured that a review site was a gold-mine wherein I could go by other's experiences. Having read other's experiences of this lady, I really did think it was going to be great. I am now wondering if my standards of acceptable looks/behavior are much higher than others. Or that punters are generally used to accepting poorer-than-advertised-looks?

My immediate thoughts of a next punt was HOD based on the number of people swearing by it, but my faith in others experiences has been somewhat dented. I guess it is really up to me to see if I want to give this thing another go...or just be friendly to my hand for some more time before I am ready to date :)

Looks or the lack of them hasnt been that big of a problem generally in my experience, its the WG having a bad attitude where most of my bad punts have stemmed from.

Glad to hear in your later post you will give it another go, hopefully you will find it good or better. :)

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Hi all,

I am a first-time punter, having made the decision to take the leap about 3 months back after a bad bad divorce. I researched heavily, looking for the right lady to help me, trawled through these boards and field reports and finally decided on a popular London based Oriental lady running a website with some beautiful-looking Thai women and very reasonable prices. The object of my desire on this website had beautiful pictures and amazingly glowing reviews (someone saying she is much better than her pics, someone wondering if he could pay the bus-driver to turn the bus back to her house after the punt...etc). The rate of 150 seemed too good to be true for a head-turner as I thought she was from her pics. The website about the owner lady was very lucid and reassuring (treat me as your sidekick on this journey...etc) and I felt I was in good hands for my first experience. (Note: I am not naming the website/lady here - atleast not till my FR is published)

When I showed up, she was a disaster - the girl's pictures must be atleast 8-9 yrs old, she was old (late 30s is my guess), messed up teeth with brown brown stains and generally...ugh. The whole experience was bizarre - she wanted to go out for a bit after taking my money to top up her phones etc. After 10 min of this I left without having gotten physical with the lady - I know for sure I wouldnt have had ANY desire to go physical with her anyway. I just went in the door and gave her the money even though she looked like Halloween because this was my first time and I wasnt too sure on how to react. I know some of you will think i am dumb for not having turned tail in the first instance of seeing her, but seriously my heart was anyway beating wildly with nervousness standing outside and I was not thinking too straight.

After leaving, I was peeved enough with the experience to register here, write a full report on her and come here. I will share the link of the full report if/when it is published. The lady that runs the website herself has not replied to my complaining SMS (her replies while booking were within seconds).

Anyway, having set the context here, my real question is about benchmarks in the punting world. Did I go with too high expectations that she would look as lovely as her pictures? I am a freelance photographer over weekends and have used enough photoshop to know that these images are not photoshopped - just very dated or something very drastic has happened to the lady (drug abuse? Anorexia?) to make her look like that.

Is this usual in this world of men looking for fun/experience/companionship by forking out money? Are standards here as low - too many very recent reports on the lady are super-glowing about her beauty. I swear to god, I would have thrown up a little in my mouth if I got to kiss that mouth with those stained teeth. Or are my standards too high to expect someone next-door-beautiful-like-her-pictures for my money (not even strip-club/lapdance breathtaking beautiful)? Should I recalibrate my expectations (in which case I give up punting after this first time and go back trying to meet normal pretty women after I have recovered/emerged fully from my divorce) or should I try again, hoping to actually meet a girl that looks as advertised? Or should I go more upmarket (300+) to get what is advertised?

I know this sounds like an overreaction after just my first punt but I thought this lady ran a very well-established, well-respected, well-reviewed website and am now wondering if its me who came here with too high expectations and if this is the norm. Advice please?

Hi Paws,

Having worked out the agency and WG you saw, I am surprised the lady owner would let this rest as I believe she sacked one of her girls recently for being unprofessional. The owner is not known for bait and switch. Perhaps the girl herself pulled out of the meet and got a friend to stand in. I dont think you need to go above 150 as there are plenty of lovelies out there at that price.

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Hi all,

I am a first-time punter, having made the decision to take the leap about 3 months back after a bad bad divorce. I researched heavily, looking for the right lady to help me, trawled through these boards and field reports and finally decided on a popular London based Oriental lady running a website with some beautiful-looking Thai women and very reasonable prices. The object of my desire on this website had beautiful pictures and amazingly glowing reviews (someone saying she is much better than her pics, someone wondering if he could pay the bus-driver to turn the bus back to her house after the punt...etc). The rate of 150 seemed too good to be true for a head-turner as I thought she was from her pics. The website about the owner lady was very lucid and reassuring (treat me as your sidekick on this journey...etc) and I felt I was in good hands for my first experience. (Note: I am not naming the website/lady here - atleast not till my FR is published)

When I showed up, she was a disaster - the girl's pictures must be atleast 8-9 yrs old, she was old (late 30s is my guess), messed up teeth with brown brown stains and generally...ugh. The whole experience was bizarre - she wanted to go out for a bit after taking my money to top up her phones etc. After 10 min of this I left without having gotten physical with the lady - I know for sure I wouldnt have had ANY desire to go physical with her anyway. I just went in the door and gave her the money even though she looked like Halloween because this was my first time and I wasnt too sure on how to react. I know some of you will think i am dumb for not having turned tail in the first instance of seeing her, but seriously my heart was anyway beating wildly with nervousness standing outside and I was not thinking too straight.

After leaving, I was peeved enough with the experience to register here, write a full report on her and come here. I will share the link of the full report if/when it is published. The lady that runs the website herself has not replied to my complaining SMS (her replies while booking were within seconds).

Anyway, having set the context here, my real question is about benchmarks in the punting world. Did I go with too high expectations that she would look as lovely as her pictures? I am a freelance photographer over weekends and have used enough photoshop to know that these images are not photoshopped - just very dated or something very drastic has happened to the lady (drug abuse? Anorexia?) to make her look like that.

Is this usual in this world of men looking for fun/experience/companionship by forking out money? Are standards here as low - too many very recent reports on the lady are super-glowing about her beauty. I swear to god, I would have thrown up a little in my mouth if I got to kiss that mouth with those stained teeth. Or are my standards too high to expect someone next-door-beautiful-like-her-pictures for my money (not even strip-club/lapdance breathtaking beautiful)? Should I recalibrate my expectations (in which case I give up punting after this first time and go back trying to meet normal pretty women after I have recovered/emerged fully from my divorce) or should I try again, hoping to actually meet a girl that looks as advertised? Or should I go more upmarket (300+) to get what is advertised?

I know this sounds like an overreaction after just my first punt but I thought this lady ran a very well-established, well-respected, well-reviewed website and am now wondering if its me who came here with too high expectations and if this is the norm. Advice please?

I have just read the FR and it sounded like a horror story. Two thoughts spring to mind, and one is that perhaps oriental ladies are harder to 'age' than say ladies such as myself, because they tend to be slimmer and extremely petite? I also think you should have stayed and then she may have changed your mind. I read one of her FRs and she sounds awesome!

Secondly, I think perhaps because she is good at her job that she and the agency are complacent knowing she pulls in the punters and therefore the money. I note your FR has gone up on the site regardless of it's content and think that is because they don't even bother to read them?

Another thought springs to mind. Don't allow this one bad experience to put you off, and don't set your standards so high that you never punt again!

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I note your FR has gone up on the site regardless of it's content and think that is because they don't even bother to read them?

Your cynical assumption here is that no agency would knowingly post on its own site a link to a negative FR of one of its own girls.

In this case, that assumption is mistaken and unfair. It's clear if you follow the twitter feed on that site that the agency did read and understand the FR, and then decided to post it anyway. That looks to me like commendable honesty.

There are a couple of other oriental agencies that also publish negative reviews on their sites.

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The owner is not known for bait and switch. Perhaps the girl herself pulled out of the meet and got a friend to stand in.

I must say that was my first thought, too. It certainly explains the extraordinary discrepancy.

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Hi Paws this aisha write to you now.

I'm so sorry for my english is bad. Please so i hope you understand most time i be pay somebody when have to write page for english words talking serious for something. But i think now more important me do write myself to you now hope you believe seeing this problem be the important very much mean to me. Sorry if make look me unprofessional business but this no first language for me and I try hard for learn and this message is take me one day all the time to finish.

I say sorry to you sir your booking is go bad. I have be try to find out what be going on with Tiffany all weekend. Was very difficult she just turn off phones and only last night she answer I asking about what happened Friday. But this not way for do if you job important and make me believe more she is act too much the not professional when this problem be not important for her.

But Paws also you must try understand what for do with help sort this problem if be important to you. Yes no all your fault because first time for punting so many the way things agency and customer is contact is new for you. Not only me but most agencies will be not contact customer for keep clear them private life. If client gets catch with him family work ofiice and friends find out he be seeing escort this be very big problem. Maybe the most danger worry thing for a punter is him secret be come out everyone for see. So agency is not disturb send message or call the punter just like any time surprise. I wish you be call me for talk fix this problem and help me understand what happen. Whenever any the problem like this I always be following talk with customer after. Most time this not be around booking time because everyone busy. Agency busy with call and customer be have to quickly go back them private life or office or go home family. When them time is convenient we talk with them and save time for speak just 121 with them.

So yes make me upset and worry when see you on Monday thread start about booking. I lucky one my client is let me know. But if you never do start thread: 1) how I be contact you? 2) I never get full picture for the story help my mind think sure for decide about Tiffany. 3) I no get chance for help you this problem intimacy you text me on Thursday about after divorce. So be good thing I not loose contact you. Thanks you Mr. Punternet!

Also want explayning you the way different my agency is be from business doing in another agency. The style business all the Asian agencies do is same like factory line. Just keep for reload new escorts and recycle name and keep be fresh for punter and be like lucky dip for choose one escort. This ok and nothing wrong for them do. Is ok for them because this style of promote escort is work with them business settings. Them website is made from template design probably from one of 3 different companies. So is quick to start and no have to think too much and not put hard work in. No point because good or bad escorts is not worry for them. No have to take time for know about escort good or not because she be push down gallery when new girls keep come join. Is safe for them because they not put a lot money for promote any girl. And have so many girls is make them not get bad name if just one girl you get bad experience with, because have 50 more all be showing on same style page and this time you just unlucky. In two week she not be on top row gallery anymore so them agency dont look bad.

But this not way my agency is work. Too many escorts I not want come for join me because I want only person is good and have something be special about them. Important for me is to put a lot work on making them better escorts and keep them active for enjoy be popular same is like sport. This way is more expensive and sure my site is also completely custom because if same like the other guys I cannot get result that the few I do have is worth something.About how they work is important for me. I only agency be keep check after booking and asking the girl how was job and what happen good and what them feel about customer. Most time girls be surprise when I asak them question like this. This they don't want answer mean not important for them, so I not want this type of escort. I be try show what is the special thing about this girl. Just because can do A is not enough for them be reccomended for A levels. So I be use name like A-Level Expert for tell customer who is gonna be best. Take time for learn about the girl and understand them and so is expensive way to do and is be slow for get money back from what be put in. It be slow because the way they be get name for be good in some type of service is from what punters say. I relaunch my site for 1 year birthday with new style galleries in around the April month. Go check and you be see nowhere am I talking like the advert how amazing some girl be, or how her fart is smell same the rose flower. It don't mean true because my webdesigner is put some words copy about the moon and stars. That just show I bullshit not know and no care look fake. What I do is start with the gallery page for any girl just them photo and some bio stuff. I not even write one intro line about them. They be get more better page from the feedback they get and hard work them put in. So not look at Tiffany page and think this is make first copy look like that. This be from what building and keep add together what punters say. It take long time yes. It expensive yes. It be danger have somebody do bad or be little bit lazy is quickly make them not so busy. Sure new text feedback system is start April 13 and be more popular than I think. I not even do a post about it. All I did is include few comments from one or two customers and the date. Then other punters is keep give back feedback because they like new system.

All this words maybe confuse you and is make your mind lost now. What I trying for show you is that when a bad booking happen same with you, this is big problem for me and something I not leave alone without be fix both them escort and customer problems. My agency can not make money if just doing shit customer service and cannot keep survive is be impossible if try be a cheat kind agency. When the feedback system important for the customer is get more punters interract and help everyone. Yes is not you fault that not know about I not going for break you privatecy and just why you be say many strong thing about my business. But what you think is going for do just put up bad review and not try contact me for talk? Feedback is have for be both way and I the lucky bunny for be the middle.

Same when have punters come together on forum is for help everyone and help we all be learning something new. So when have the problem with a booking you have for try and work together with agency for understand what and be why go wrong. If they not care then you know them is not for your choice.

After leaving, I was peeved enough with the experience to register here, write a full report on her and come here. I will share the link of the full report if/when it is published.”

Just be do a bad review is no point only for try get some angry feeling out. Think your bad review is mean a lot more when is have both sides after agree or give them feeling what was wrong. Without do this make problem for someone can believe a bad review. Sometime look like this be just some politics and the bad review is look like fake.

Oh shiet I confuse myself now. Is take me 3 hour half for this far write and I not know if make any sense. Please call in Paws next time is be a lot easier! Keep do this make Aisha wear glass spectacle not just for sexcretary.

But funny is when contact client in the private message for fix problem like this I be write more than be do on my site and is help me learn english slowly slow.

Anyway i be keep on, is take me nearly 12 hour for put all together.

The flat was small - I only saw the tiny bedroom

Actually that flat is be pretty big, and this show what be some the problem she has be tell me about with her flat and show is no fair get small room like that.

which was neat except for a dirty towel hanging behind the door.

This not style tiffany I be know about. She work in good soapy massage house in bangkok before and this we know is not allow for keep room like that. So this I can see this is alarm for me that service is not number one in she mind.

The pictures may be of her but are at least 7-8 years old.

No no this no true. Yes the photo I be use is more old than studio shot you see every other agency. But this be how she look more real like when first start. The studio photo you be see another site is same studio do for about 85% photo asian escort you is see. And I not like because they do so much photo all them retouch be auto action make girls look mix part of body with eachother. Ok they look pretty good but is more fake than real lives. Same I talk before is ok for them other agency type of business with a lot the escorts on gallery. And you say “ I am a freelance photographer over weekends and have used enough photoshop to know that these images are not photoshopped”

“a drastic version of Atkin's diet and is now completely skeletal.”

This be worry me same you speak. Last time I see he is 3 weeks now and yes she have lose them body curve have before. I try tell why is no good but I think maybe is just be from more active or lose for summer diet. After read this I have be speak with her and she confirm is the true problem. This is sad for me see person have them heart and spirit be so low. Paws I see you be angry but try be not rude same you some the words you talking. This past time you have problem in divorce are you never look more down because all the worry problems in you life?

I was seriously disappointed as I had read so many positive reviews of Tiffany

For last couple the weeks I was follow how her work be going. This I do because I start hear too many excuse similar to what I hear before from someone start not care about work anymore.

Lawrence who be client of mine from February is give the good feedback on June 16th (http://www.aishainvasian.com/escort-feedback-tiffany06/) and book to see her again week after on the Wednesday 2 days before you. This make me think maybe I go over worry about her service. But Lawrence was quiet after him second booking but this not confirm any thing wrong. I same feel disappoint after 6 months have change so quick to bad.

has completely messed up teeth which had brown stains all over them.... had researched for about 3 months before

So you must of seen other punters talking about this on reviews, (http://www.punternet.com/frs/fr_view.php?recnum=103182) (http://www.punternet.com/frs/fr_view.php?recnum=102455) One is from my agency and the other is from different agency. But I never hide anything and this review is 1 from 3 she have on her page.

Last night I messaged Aisha (around midnight) and she immediately replied asking me to call.

No it was 22:50 that you text me:

Hi Aisha, I'm interested I a possible 1 hour booking with Tiffany tomorrow (Fri) in the day pls? Not sure if this is too late to call hence the SMS.thx, P”

My reply 22:52 was:

Sir it is fine to call now to make a booking.

Kind regards, Invasian.”

Please don't try and make show look that I was hungry for your money.

1. your question for ok to call or not I replied to, I never go straight on to make sale

2. you first time customer so I only take advance bking via call first

3. thursday night is not busy same friday. friday maybe you can't get through, or not availability.

I was ushered in to her room and asked to sit on the bed. I took off my jacket, she sat down next to me and said, 'So..'. This was awkward!

This is not the way to do it. She should know better.

She asked for the money which I promptly gave to her. She counted it in front of me and put it in the wardrobe

This is bad and low class way of doing the money part.

Paws please listen I would recommend that in future before giving the money and then finding out the bad taste, try run through a quick checklist from time first moment door opens and you meet eachother. If your check point not be meet then be more easy to decide for stay or not. This can help if you feel nervous worry and not sure if just be panic feeling make you want to not do. Then you can just go and leave politely before the money is give to her. Many time is read bad reviews with the punter says when the money handed over it be all go the downhill. And this important Paws the check rules for decide stay or go better not just on around horny feeling or dick controlling the brain. Dont get catch up in fake interest she show to you. Remember na these be trained wgirls. Most them be make money work in bar them living by give wink and nudge buy me drink action sexy man acting. Think good you try to find like deepth, warmeth and character and looking for her have the real interest in meeting you. This be what a missing when haveing problems with getting horny around a stranger, not a friend.

I dont know what she was up to - maybe confirming to Aisha that she has received payment?

It be normal for escort text confirmation to agency. Should be done quietly and not have any sense of emergency. Or it easy spoil the mood intimate vibe.

Anyway I dont ever disturb the appointment, but only if there be safety risky: 1st time client late at night and no word from the girl. I'm no worried the wg going to steal customer so expect any time in first 20 mins a text confirm.

Another reason for me to be concerned is if there is risk of the wg standing up the client and he leaves being ignored and his time wasted.

Again do not try and say I run a money grabbing operation and that my concerns are commissions. I and my reception many time tell customer not to book someone in rush or under misconceptions. I also choose my applicants wisely and don't run a high turnover type of operation.

I now realize this is going completely downhill and maybe even dangerous and more and more bizarre by the minute so I decided to cut my losses and asked to leave.

This and the playing with phones is a alarm for punter. See first with Devon over a year ago. It's sad way of getting out from doing something you're not interested in. Kids do it. And I seen crooks in thailand do to foreigners. Take their money and just ignore pretending they don't understand. After the falang look the bad person because they usually loose their temper. The crook gets their way without actually forcing it.

You did the right thing to leave.

Still amazed and quite angry at what happened.

Me too honey. But experience I get last year has got me stronger. Used to get really upset, not understand why som1 abuse my trust in them. I put so much into this agency and work hard to give the girls a good name and get them busy. After they show not care about or value my effort or care about the business survive be important .

On a side not seen by punters, is how the wgs view the quality of clients I provide. They always say the clients I get are the best. This comes back to the point earlier of passing up booking requests and not chasing money. The punters I get them are enthusiasts and is being appreciate the importance of feedback to help other punters and also why it should be important for a wg who be the serious about them work. The girls all get their chance to show their potential. How would they feel if I started sending them robbers and time wasters and giving out their address to anyone? Or if I just couldn't care to wake up and answer the phone for a couple of days?

No reply for the last 3 hours (her earlier replies were within a few seconds)

Friday afternoon my reception not working. Just me. That time from 12 noon to about 7pm is the most busy time. I no hear from Tiffany and I got your text I quickly called her to find out what was going on. I couldn't understand her either. At 2:30pm I had John trying to book Tiff for 3:30pm. I had confirmed the appt for him. Your text make me to find what was going on. I had to get her side of the story and try to decide give the 3:30pm job or not, as the client would be leaving to make his way there soon. At same time customers ringing non stop. I had to cancel John is be safe thing for do. Tiffany then went out of contact saying she's busy then sick and turning off her phones. Getting long past your booking time I didn't want to disturb you. We cant do that. And my english so bad what I can say in the text, just say sorry sir? No that not be good. Part of me think you not want speak with me and just why send only text and leave. Why did you not phone up hunny? Instead you go pnet. How is that going to help me solve the problem.

Finally spoke with her after 11pm briefly told her no longer recommend her. So I did take action from your message and the failed booking on the Friday. Yes I couldn't

communicate with you but not because I not care. And be funny this weekend I could no believe how many calls be coming for her. The rest of the weekend I said no to more than 7 booking requests.

  • Nicko calling Friday for try make advance booking see Tiff on Saturday. In morning he be informed of the situation and changed his appointment to see Kassia on Saturday
  • Alex who tried booking Tiff on Friday contacted us on Sunday to book her and we replied: Sorry Alex, yet to hear back from Tiffany. I think she's having some issues with her accommodation, which seem to be affecting her motivation when it comes to accepting bookings. You are welcome to wait for a response from her. Alternatively we can arrange an appointment with someone else. Kind regards, Invasian.
  • Dave who called to book on Monday changed his mind and saw Nana instead after: “Sure I can arrange that for you sir. However it is my duty to inform you that she received negative feedback this weekend. I think she's having some issues with her accommodation, which seem to be affecting her motivation when it comes to accepting bookings. Consequently we can't recommend her.
    It is your choice, you are welcome to book her and we can arrange that for you. Alternatively we can arrange an appointment with someone else.
    Kind regards, Invasian.”
  • Mo was pleased we let him know and instead chose to see Anne: Sorry sir, no response from Tiffany. You may continue to wait and we can keep trying to contact her. However it is my duty to inform you that she received negative feedback this weekend. I think she's having some issues with her accommodation, which seem to be affecting her motivation when it comes to accepting bookings. Consequently we can't recommend her.
    It is your choice, you are welcome to book her and we can try our best to arrange that for you. Alternatively we can arrange an appointment with someone else.
    Kind regards, Invasian.

Saw your review late Sunday night. Saw your thread monday morning only. Only got hold of her Monday 11pm ish. I ask her what happen with the booking and she can't even remember what I talking about. After remind her and tell her about the bad review she be keep ask me for 1 more chance, give her 1 month. I sending her text with link to the review and she text back yea I have a look at it tomorrow. I am try for be not saying bad about her, (this not a way that someone with peace in their heart is be act.) I just have to be clear this not the attitude for have. definately if i be learning new english words, using 3 different dictionary tools and type this on my own.

I really am doing all that I can to resolveing the issue.

Many clients we have worked out their bad experiences and they have come back to be regulars even after awful terrible 1st experience. This be full time service job and i hope many u guys be understand why aisha unavailable for work. every week i am be contact clients and girls for help both them group.

Suffice it to say I am not going to use Aisha Invasian again.

This hurts. I hope you will change your mind. I put a lot of importance on my clients experiences. This is 1 example, you didn't get to see till now because you didn't give any input. Lucky I saw you on pnet. Since your booking I been doing good service for clients and working hard to sort out Tiff. Your text review of Friday went be live with all the weeks reviews. (Before stupid person say we not read and put them together not read them: My it guys is be busy all week making a new mobile site. Not the bullshit sites you get everywhere else. I talking about no have use any j qweery engine and use hardware ackeleration. yes aisha know because i paying for the best we can get from hard work. And so not have be able put the full week reviews online. also to any jealous person out there, my site is not made by any the company, ok not Moist Pixels, no Escort FX, no HooHum. How can i hope for be survive business if think same and act same everyone else. Everything custom and how we deal with every customer is special style just for them. )

I am an OK looking, well built/toned young chap - not scary at all

This nothing for do with it sexy man. Is your money she count not your 6 pak.

quite curious about the authenticity of recent reports on her

I have never put fake reports on. Why would I? What good I get be lie about some girl service and after true come out she shit service. Why I want to make myself look same cheat or corrupt inside heart for any person? Look at the authors before be start accusation me. And only be 3 reviews yes for my site? So why take 3 months to research? Yes all what you hearing from all different source is make you set for choose Tiffany. You do so from my site because you hear good thing about my business. Go Asian Selection and see who on top row. And on my site I not be change and act from pay attention problems with my escorts?

This is be same my life work and I start from nothing. My last agency do same eraser and try rub me out say I'm not in England anymore and still have on Asian Selection site say I'm retire for family life. (Funny is how nobody be question story of Aisha doing DP with toys, lol I good girl :P) My site not even on the first 100 place in google. But why I not have to give up my new business when start last year be the most bad time for start business from 2nd world war 1930ads?

Other agencies, especially one which is constantly be recommended here puts a review for every new girl by a 1st time poster. Why do I do opposite and always try make smaller my galleries and no just keep people on for pull punter in?

So 1st review by Mastodon1998, why do review for my lovely ex boss' website?

2nd review by Kirkoloft, he be doing review before I even come UK!

3rd review by Worldpunter, he have 21 review do for all different girls. ok i know maybe his style for write review is maybe look same fantasy. but the why have escort and go see them is for fantasy. you know that picture in your head be flash for 0.5 second just before you come, that is the fantasy and is worth it hopefuly. and anyway tiffany did something i never do with worldpunter, make him cum 2 times is shock me. but make me happy because when i suggest her for booking it was happy endings.

my expectations of her looking atleast like her pics are too high for the punting world

there is sometime alot more going on than you think. same uk people say the looking the "bigger pictures". alot punters with small mind is not be care and just do a bad review or speak bad about an escort and not want think anything else, or learn. them think is not their problem and only thing important is them time. but it is all the other things going on outside of your time in the room with the escort that be decide if the appointment going to be good experience or the bad

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Your cynical assumption here is that no agency would knowingly post on its own site a link to a negative FR of one of its own girls.

In this case, that assumption is mistaken and unfair. It's clear if you follow the twitter feed on that site that the agency did read and understand the FR, and then decided to post it anyway. That looks to me like commendable honesty.

There are a couple of other oriental agencies that also publish negative reviews on their sites.

Fair comment. Didn't think I was being cynical at all. The FR did read like a horror story, but he is new to this and I think he set his expectations too high. Working Girls are as human as the rest of you. Sorry I don't do Twitter:) Not enough hours in a day.

Edited by Sarah Summers

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Should I recalibrate my expectations (in which case I give up punting after this first time and go back trying to meet normal pretty women after I have recovered/emerged fully from my divorce) or should I try again, hoping to actually meet a girl that looks as advertised? Or should I go more upmarket (300+) to get what is advertised?

Paws be serious now. Dont go see escort for try finish your feeling about divorce.. this is wrong... this not be way to do... and really sex is not going be that answer magic fix you problems.

really try get your spirit inside you be ok with having divorce. i think you asian guy and sorry if i rong for say but this have divorce is something you believe before be impossible happen to you. is hurt alot i sure.

but start punting and go see working girl is same like go the underworld for you try forget is hurt you so much. maybe i misunderstand you sir. but people punt before them marry and maybe have divorce, they not going have same difficult the problem when it come to see the wg. for you is tell me first time for see a wg. is bad idea you go see wg for think is take paining away and bring you happy life. you alot safer if be punting because you horny. not because have some tsunami you family life. i hope i not say something over top rude, but there more in the life than sex. when finding complete that more things then you sure is fine have sex on top.:lol:

aisha

x

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Fair comment. Didn't think I was being cynical at all. The FR did read like a horror story, but he is new to this and I think he set his expectations too high. Working Girls are as human as the rest of you. Sorry I don't do Twitter:) Not enough hours in a day.

@Sarah sorry my love i be too strong speak to you. Sometime feel is be attack when have so many people from all around I never meet or see before is add on some more thing to my big problems. is so difficult for 2 years i try so hard for do good. sometime when have person i not know say bad about i not honest is get too much. i sorry my darling. i think you know how be alone is difficult with the big guys agencies. I like you site. and you have sexy breasts hunny. really hun. is work effect my miynd not see face shot is make photo of the breast stick in my head more!:P

big kiss sarah darling

aisha

x.

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@Sarah sorry my love i be too strong speak to you. Sometime feel is be attack when have so many people from all around I never meet or see before is add on some more thing to my big problems. is so difficult for 2 years i try so hard for do good. sometime when have person i not know say bad about i not honest is get too much. i sorry my darling. i think you know how be alone is difficult with the big guys agencies. I like you site. and you have sexy breasts hunny. really hun. is work effect my miynd not see face shot is make photo of the breast stick in my head more!:P

big kiss sarah darling

aisha

x.

Aisha, I do not mind being flamed by you. It's good to talk...lol

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Well, Aisha certainly took the time to reply - which is a damn sight more than I'd expect most owners to do - and any agency that is prepared to leave bad reviews up on its website earns some respect for their honesty and self-confidence.

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I'm sorry but what a load of tosh.

You've had one punt. Er.......judge it after you've had a few.

I think more time has been spent on the verbosity here than on the blinking punt :rolleyes:

You cannot judge anything after one event no matter what it is.

The only things in our lives we get to do once is being born.....which none of us remember and death which none of us can come back to write about.

Most other things we can try again and again if we wish.......and most first attempts at ANYTHING are usually iffy at best so why the angst?

Go and try it a few more times and see what you think and THEN come back to talk about it.

HOWEVER: Some words of caution; punting in the aftermath of a divorce seems a dangerous thing to do if you are sensitive and emotional.

You seem to be an emotional man. Punting is best when largely devoid of that. I have learnt that the hard way. Since you seem to be entering into a single life and being the emotional kind of guy that you appear to be I would suggest punting may not be for you.

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Both Aisha and MR XL are spot on with suggesting punting may not be the best choice for you at the moment. If you disagree give it some time and see how you feel before trying again. But be very aware that you are in a difficult place emotionally at the moment.

I am sure many men have come out of a long or difficult break-up gone punting and just made things worse for themselves since their head is not in the right place.

Hell it took me nearly 2 years after splitting with my ex before i felt this was something i could enjoy safely without any hang-ups and took the plunge. You will never know until you try, but you can certainly get as much advise as possible before you do it.

Make use of the all the great members here and if you really have doubts, wait.

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Paws, think of your first punt as similar to the first time you had sex - ignorant, fumbling and not living up to expectations. I'm sure a few lucky ones had a great first punt, but I'm certainly not one of them as mine was a disaster. I've had awful british punts and great british punts, awful EE punts and my all time favourite punt was an EE girl. (I'm yet to open the Thai pandora's box but looking forward to it) Trust me, sooner or later you meet that WG that ticks all the boxes and you get to experience what I assume most of us here love about punting, and it's about going home afterwards with a brain of mush and a stupid grin on your face. Kind of like being in love, but no commitment and no stress.

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Stick with it Paws. Don't write off either asian WGs or aishas agency. You were unlucky. Gorgeous asian WGs offering excellent service definitely do exist but since it is all a matter of personal opinion the 'benchmarks' you seek simply do not exist.

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Paws, think of your first punt as similar to the first time you had sex - ignorant, fumbling and not living up to expectations. I'm sure a few lucky ones had a great first punt, but I'm certainly not one of them as mine was a disaster. I've had awful british punts and great british punts, awful EE punts and my all time favourite punt was an EE girl. (I'm yet to open the Thai pandora's box but looking forward to it) Trust me, sooner or later you meet that WG that ticks all the boxes and you get to experience what I assume most of us here love about punting, and it's about going home afterwards with a brain of mush and a stupid grin on your face. Kind of like being in love, but no commitment and no stress.

Yeah well said mate, once you know your own boundaries, that feeling is great. Its not just he sex that has put a spring in my step, the girls i'm going back to are excellent at what they do in making you feel special. And i don't even have to cook them dinner! Much easier to pay for their time!

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Paws (and others),

I too have recently had a negative experience with a girl from Invasian. The punt started great for 20min but went downhill from there, partly from a misunderstanding. I wasn't happy and contacted the agency. Over the course of the next few days we sorted this out, including exchange of various PMs with Aisha.

I don't post often, nor do I report much (1 on PN in a long time of lurking, several others on ISG...), but without being a frequent punter, I am now fairly experienced -- in London mostly the Oriental scene. After a bad experience it can often be best to wait a while before reporting, and take it up with the agency first (as Aisha says, this can take some time and is more complex than making a booking). I won't name the girl I saw here because there is a good chance that this was a one-off, and suspect that a bad report on PN could really hurt her financially, especially when there is so much choice about.

You are right to be cross with Tiffany (who sounds like she is in a bad place right now), but I can only give praise for the professional way Aisha and her staff helped sort out my issue. It's not for me to say whether punting is right for you right now or not, but if you decide it is, don't write off the agency. You are unlikely to have had the response you have had from anyone else!

best, A.

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A bit late for me to post both date and this time of night, as its taken me a while to read this thread into the wee hours.

Paws my first experience was so so due to my nervousness mainly the woman was older than the girl in the pictures and me not saying anything much, very shy and quiet I was. But for me over 3-4 years it just gets better and better. I have to say though I agree with a lot that has be said by everyone else, especially if your head is not in the right place, I had a beautiful blond girl in a hotel with me a couple of years ago and due to an issue (nothing to do with the meeting) and my worrying about it meant I couldn't get aroused and that was a first for me.

I have enjoyed many exquisite encounters with asian escorts over the last couple years especially Thais. I also have to say a big plus to Aisha for taking the time to write in. I can imagine the time it must have taken to write as it would take me hours to write this and in say Cantonese or Thai. To me this speaks volumes of an agency that cares and gives an insight into the difficulties of running an agency when English isn't your first language.

As for pictures yes I have seen many that were professionally shot and the girl is not as perfect as the picture, visited a few too, that said in most cases the girls personalities have shone through and were great, but as has been said your could pay £300+ for an hour and it still could be a poor experience.

Well that's my two pennies worth. - Time for bed yawn.

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If the WG in person is in no way representative of the photo that lead Paws to make the booking he has a valid reason to be upset and the buck stops with the agency. His motives for punting (none of the agency's business), her reviews and the behaviour of the WG on the punt are irrelevant.

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