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Reasonable Expectations?

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I just wanted the girls take on what is reasonable expectations between client and courtesan. When/if I see girls I try to be respectful and courteous generally speaking land up disappointed. If I go for 1 hour is always seems rushed and not very nice ... just get it over with and now it's time to leave but we can shoot the breeze for a while until time is up. If I book longer say 2 hours it goes something like chat for 20-25 minutes, shower 10 minutes. Then things get under way. A couple of trips to the bathroom and the pleasant conversation continues. Usually I think the girl is gorgeous Im still excited and after a rest I would like a second helping. The girl Im affraid isnt in the same mindset. At this point she is usually thinking right that's over with now just have to run down the clock. We chat for what seems ages there is always the line "We've 50 minutes left there's loads of time". Of course after the chat and friendliness this is usually punctuated by we only have 15 minutes left now. Ive tried booking for 3 hours similar scenario except there is more talk to start with and after and there isnt much effort if at all second time round.

Ive used most of the top agencies several times. Of course Im never rude, leave disappointed and wondering whether it was actually worth it. Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again. I would say Im fairly ordinary looking slim nothing special although I feel I treat the girls excellently I would rather be ripped off than be rude. I rarely see girls anymore because it wasnt working out. I was spending lots of money and it just wasnt worth it. I appreciate maybe it's too much to expect girls to mae me feel that special but half an hour of effort then you've had your lot mate. I try to look at it from the girls point of view. They may see 4-5 clients. So reducing the amount per client will probably help them feel more comfortable they are human beings not machines. Problem is even when I booked longer even all night same thing.

Is there actually a conflict of interests physically? The girls want to minimise contact whereas the guys obviously want to maximise it?

I would love to take it up again if I knew it wasnt going to be such a let down hence the reason for my first post.

So a question to the girls out there what is reasonable or am I being unreasonable?

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A very interesting thread, would love to read the other members' take on this!

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Hmmmm, interesting Thread...

Firstly let me say that I DO get a little wary about spending more than an hour with a Client I've never met before because I don't know if we'll get on, if he'll expect continuous "in out in out" sex for 2 hours (which hurts if there is no other play!!)...So I usually prefer to meet someone for an hour firstly and then they can rebook for longer...That's just my preference.

I personally always try and give the best Service that I possibly can...I usually say to my Clients that the Sex (and the cums) are unlimited...But that it depends on what THEY want...

What usually happens in an hour is: a bit of chat, a shower, some nice foreplay (kissing, blowjob, them playing with me) and then some nice sex, they cum and then there is a bit of a chat...and that's usually it for an hour (although if they can get it up again they are welcome to have some more fun!!)

In a two hour plus booking it's more of the same but I would fully expect and hope for some more sex....and I would like to end the session with a full-on snog and cuddle and a "hope to see you another time soon"...

It really annoys me that I hear other WG's who rush the Client out of the door just so that they can get their money with minimum effort...

I hope that all makes sense!! LoL ;)

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I just wanted the girls take on what is reasonable expectations between client and courtesan. When/if I see girls I try to be respectful and courteous generally speaking land up disappointed. If I go for 1 hour is always seems rushed and not very nice ... just get it over with and now it's time to leave but we can shoot the breeze for a while until time is up. If I book longer say 2 hours it goes something like chat for 20-25 minutes, shower 10 minutes. Then things get under way. A couple of trips to the bathroom and the pleasant conversation continues. Usually I think the girl is gorgeous Im still excited and after a rest I would like a second helping. The girl Im affraid isnt in the same mindset. At this point she is usually thinking right that's over with now just have to run down the clock. We chat for what seems ages there is always the line "We've 50 minutes left there's loads of time". Of course after the chat and friendliness this is usually punctuated by we only have 15 minutes left now. Ive tried booking for 3 hours similar scenario except there is more talk to start with and after and there isnt much effort if at all second time round.

Ive used most of the top agencies several times. Of course Im never rude, leave disappointed and wondering whether it was actually worth it. Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again. I would say Im fairly ordinary looking slim nothing special although I feel I treat the girls excellently I would rather be ripped off than be rude. I rarely see girls anymore because it wasnt working out. I was spending lots of money and it just wasnt worth it. I appreciate maybe it's too much to expect girls to mae me feel that special but half an hour of effort then you've had your lot mate. I try to look at it from the girls point of view. They may see 4-5 clients. So reducing the amount per client will probably help them feel more comfortable they are human beings not machines. Problem is even when I booked longer even all night same thing.

Is there actually a conflict of interests physically? The girls want to minimise contact whereas the guys obviously want to maximise it?

I would love to take it up again if I knew it wasnt going to be such a let down hence the reason for my first post.

So a question to the girls out there what is reasonable or am I being unreasonable?

You are either seeing the wrong girls or are not confident enough in expressing what you really want from your time. Possibly both.

I quite often (more often than not) manage two rounds in a 1 hour booking without feeling rushed. I've never failed to have 2 rounds in a 2 hour booking. Again, more often than not, it's the girl rather than myself who is the first to suggest round 2.

I suggest you start reading some of the FRs of girls in your area and pick one who is well reviewed by multiple customers.

Best of luck if you try again.

P.S. I know you asked for the girls' inputs, but us blokes can't resist sticking our oar in with this sort of thing ;) .

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i was the same for my first couple of punts.

I usually ask at the start "can i cum more than once" (even if her profile says so), therefore she knows i intend to go again.

Most WGs won't try and start again, unless you ask them, as they probably have clients that can't, and wouldnt risk embarrassing them

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I just wanted the girls take on what is reasonable expectations between client and courtesan. When/if I see girls I try to be respectful and courteous generally speaking land up disappointed. If I go for 1 hour is always seems rushed and not very nice ... just get it over with and now it's time to leave but we can shoot the breeze for a while until time is up. If I book longer say 2 hours it goes something like chat for 20-25 minutes, shower 10 minutes. Then things get under way. A couple of trips to the bathroom and the pleasant conversation continues. Usually I think the girl is gorgeous Im still excited and after a rest I would like a second helping. The girl Im affraid isnt in the same mindset. At this point she is usually thinking right that's over with now just have to run down the clock. We chat for what seems ages there is always the line "We've 50 minutes left there's loads of time". Of course after the chat and friendliness this is usually punctuated by we only have 15 minutes left now. Ive tried booking for 3 hours similar scenario except there is more talk to start with and after and there isnt much effort if at all second time round.

Ive used most of the top agencies several times. Of course Im never rude, leave disappointed and wondering whether it was actually worth it. Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again. I would say Im fairly ordinary looking slim nothing special although I feel I treat the girls excellently I would rather be ripped off than be rude. I rarely see girls anymore because it wasnt working out. I was spending lots of money and it just wasnt worth it. I appreciate maybe it's too much to expect girls to mae me feel that special but half an hour of effort then you've had your lot mate. I try to look at it from the girls point of view. They may see 4-5 clients. So reducing the amount per client will probably help them feel more comfortable they are human beings not machines. Problem is even when I booked longer even all night same thing.

Is there actually a conflict of interests physically? The girls want to minimise contact whereas the guys obviously want to maximise it?

I would love to take it up again if I knew it wasnt going to be such a let down hence the reason for my first post.

So a question to the girls out there what is reasonable or am I being unreasonable?

What do you base your criteria for a punt on? Is it looks only? Do you look at feedback? You should not concern yourself with how many clients these girls see - you are paying for their time and company and you should get good value for it. To have a mindset like this is all wrong! You should be able to select your preferred lady, based upon lots of things - not just upon looks - and she should give you bloody good value for your money.

I#m not going to say you are using the wrong agencies, and try and promote indies because obviously I am one, however I am not on here to openly tout so its difficult for a lady to help you in case you think she is biased in some way, but for every punt to ho wrong, it is either them or you - or both. Please don't feel sorry for the girl if she gave you a crap time.... move on and see someone with feedback !!

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Good reply Sarah, I'd have to agree. I've seen both Indies and Agency girls and find if you let them know beforehand just what you're after (not a lengthy detailed account, just the general idea) then you're less likely to leave feeling let down. Better luck in the future.

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p.s. for general idea your "Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again" should be quite sufficient for any escort worth her salt to give you exactly what you're after.

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Human beings have a tendency to try and get away with as little effort as possible, I do find however it's quite difficult to predict client expectations for a 2 hour - or longer booking. Some guys just like the luxury of taking their time, some believe it or not enjoy the chat and company - the rumpy pumpy is only a small part of the whole experience, whilst others like a bit more action and more than once. A girl has to weigh this up herself, and I sometimes feel rude asking outright "Ey up love how many times can you get it up?". It can however be quite obvious when a man would like some more, and any reasonable Escort will pick up on this I presume you are making it obvious?

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I'm wondering if you are mistaking prestige of agencies and rates with quality? Yes you may get an amazing looking woman, as she is not likely to be on their books otherwise, but this does not mean necessarily that she will tick all the other boxes you are looking for. Have you even had contact with her directly before meeting?

Maybe it would be better to find someone that you can book directley with and let them know before you meet what you are looking at and judge by their response and the way they are talking to you if you are likely to get on well and enjoy each others company.

Personally I would assume that there would be at least 2 bouts of activity with a 2 hour booking and am surprised that this is not necessarily the case with others. I tend to let the gentleman take the lead on activity unless of course the first round was very good and then I might ring the bell to start the second, as I don't like wasted opportunitities. If you enjoy your work, why would you drag your feet in doing it?

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I would expect in a one hour booking that there would generally be two rounds. However, saying that, if it is obvious that the gentleman is enjoying prolonged foreplay I will generally try to ensure that we maximise this before going to the "main event", (or as some see it, just the climax).

After the first explosion I will almost always be stroking and touching the body whilst chatting. I say almost always, sometimes the guy will be ticklish/or dislike that. It then becomes quickly apparent whether a second or third round is on the cards.

As other posters have commented, pick an indie with good reviews. A lot of us DO like having sex and fun and are not trying to push you out the door.

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I would expect in a one hour booking that there would generally be two rounds. However, saying that, if it is obvious that the gentleman is enjoying prolonged foreplay I will generally try to ensure that we maximise this before going to the "main event", (or as some see it, just the climax).

After the first explosion I will almost always be stroking and touching the body whilst chatting. I say almost always, sometimes the guy will be ticklish/or dislike that. It then becomes quickly apparent whether a second or third round is on the cards.

As other posters have commented, pick an indie with good reviews. A lot of us DO like having sex and fun and are not trying to push you out the door.

If I thought that it was an expected requirement of me to make the guy cum more than once in an hours appointment - if that was what he wanted, then I would give up right now. Its my experience that guys who say them want to cum more than once, generally can't, while there are other guys who can cum multiple times. For me, punting is not about quantity, it's about the guy having such a great (quality) time that he wants to return. It's about spontaneity and FUN, going with the flow and feeling and being horny. I don't like living by numbers.

This is why such a lot of punters do not have a good time. How can you relax when all you are thinking about is cumming more than once to "get your money's worth"

Pah.

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I went through a stage where due to peer pressure( thanks guys)i thought every one hour plus punt required me to have two peaks. It was only when i really thought about using this time as rather selfish "me time" i got the best out of it.If you want a GFE you have to admit that it is about sensualaity and tactile stimulation, with a slow but staedy path towards climax

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A lot of us DO like having sex and fun and are not trying to push you out the door.

I totally agree and I worry sometimes that I am too sexual and scare my clients, I hope not!!!

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I've had this same problem, and occasionally you do get gems who will treat you very well in a long 2-3 hour booking, but a lot of the time, you'll get a WG who starts complaining about being really tired or hungry near the middle of the punt. One particular WG from northern angels was doing this, and I was having trouble coming as many times as I usually do, probably managed about 2-3 times in 2 hours, and she brought this up a few times. I then had to leave early because she ordered pizza before my booking even ended!

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In general, one can't wait for the lady to initiate another round. In my experience, this is less common. I suspect as a lot of fellas can't [so I'm told]

Very rarely I've seen ladies that will actively time waste and avoid a second or further rounds. Luckily these providers are few. Of course, they won't get my repeat custom either.

From my point of view, it isn't about numbers. I can achieve multiple pops in a session, but I'm not counting. I enjoy having sex with hot women. I have to make the most of my limited opportunity!

What I won't stand for is being taken for a mug, I've seen girls that I know are after doing the absolute bare minimum and would be happy to do nothing for my money. That is a completely different scenario. Those are difficult appointments because whatever I do I know I won't get much enjoyment. On the flip side I've seen providers that couldn't do any more, yes, they do exist :)

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I just wanted the girls take on what is reasonable expectations between client and courtesan. When/if I see girls I try to be respectful and courteous generally speaking land up disappointed. If I go for 1 hour is always seems rushed and not very nice ... just get it over with and now it's time to leave but we can shoot the breeze for a while until time is up. If I book longer say 2 hours it goes something like chat for 20-25 minutes, shower 10 minutes. Then things get under way. A couple of trips to the bathroom and the pleasant conversation continues. Usually I think the girl is gorgeous Im still excited and after a rest I would like a second helping. The girl Im affraid isnt in the same mindset. At this point she is usually thinking right that's over with now just have to run down the clock. We chat for what seems ages there is always the line "We've 50 minutes left there's loads of time". Of course after the chat and friendliness this is usually punctuated by we only have 15 minutes left now. Ive tried booking for 3 hours similar scenario except there is more talk to start with and after and there isnt much effort if at all second time round.

Ive used most of the top agencies several times. Of course Im never rude, leave disappointed and wondering whether it was actually worth it. Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again. I would say Im fairly ordinary looking slim nothing special although I feel I treat the girls excellently I would rather be ripped off than be rude. I rarely see girls anymore because it wasnt working out. I was spending lots of money and it just wasnt worth it. I appreciate maybe it's too much to expect girls to mae me feel that special but half an hour of effort then you've had your lot mate. I try to look at it from the girls point of view. They may see 4-5 clients. So reducing the amount per client will probably help them feel more comfortable they are human beings not machines. Problem is even when I booked longer even all night same thing.

Is there actually a conflict of interests physically? The girls want to minimise contact whereas the guys obviously want to maximise it?

I would love to take it up again if I knew it wasnt going to be such a let down hence the reason for my first post.

So a question to the girls out there what is reasonable or am I being unreasonable?

Its very simple good or better WGs offer a good or better service and the rest dont. IMO punters should move things along politely if the WG isnt actively instigating what you require from a punt. I expect to enjoy myself and have a good time which is my whole purpose for punting, in the main thats exactly what i receive.

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Hmmm, honest answer- if a guy is an idiot, smelly or undesirable in some way then I will probably try get through the appointment as quickly as possible or with as little contact as possible. Actually, if a guy is hard going conversation wise he probably gets more sexual time cos I'll think i'll suck him again for something to do!

Saying that I am a professional so will continue an appointment with a happy face and ask the guy what he wants to do. In my experience if a chap cums once he is done for the hour but will always initiate further sexual contact, (unless hes icky!) often he will say that he wont be able to manage it again!

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I do sympathise with Goodwill having been bolted up many times in the past. Most agency girls truly despise their punters. Their sole purpose is to extract as much cash as possible for the least amount of effort. No doubt someone will rock up here and blame the punter's selection process when clearly the girl is culpable. It's the usual PN reaction, the punter must be at fault if he isn't enjoying himself.

I've had three perfunctory punts this week, all lasting from between 40 and 50 minutes when I paid for an hour. I wouldn't mind but I don't even want sex - I just want a spanking. I've also walked away from three potential punts after being wilfully misled. One was supposed to be a Bangladeshi girl, but when I got there the woman was a fat white lump and covered in ink and facial piercings. I felt physically repulsed. And it had taken me over two hours to get there. I felt frustrated and annoyed.

On another recent and unforgettable encounter I had a girl get progressively more pissed (on champagne she'd demanded) during the punt. I'd paid for five hours but when she refused to whip me, telling me that I must learn to wait, I pointed out that I was entitled to the service we'd agreed. She went ballistic, threatening me and ordering me out. I'd handed over £800 was there for just shy of three hours. To compound the insult she phoned me several days later to enquire when I was next going to visit her. Unbelievable. When I pointed out my unhappiness with our previous meeting she declared that she was a goddess and my place was to serve her unquestioningly. Her blatant greed and lack of self-awareness was truly astonishing. At least that's another grabbing bitch struck off a very long list of vile, contemptible women. The more honest and open we are, the more they perceive it as a weakness to be exploited. They detest us.

My aim is to stick to wanking; it's cheap and good service is guaranteed.

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I've had this same problem, and occasionally you do get gems who will treat you very well in a long 2-3 hour booking, but a lot of the time, you'll get a WG who starts complaining about being really tired or hungry near the middle of the punt. One particular WG from northern angels was doing this, and I was having trouble coming as many times as I usually do, probably managed about 2-3 times in 2 hours, and she brought this up a few times. I then had to leave early because she ordered pizza before my booking even ended!

Ha! I love it!

She may well have set a precedent there .....

In the middle of a longish booking I too can start to feel peckish..

I wonder if any clients would mind if I rolled off the bed and tottered

off to the kitchen for a bowl of Shreddies ( my favourite :P )

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When you start your career as a punter, you don't really have much idea what the rules of engagement are, so to speak, and with experience comes a bit more understanding, especially in relation to the quality of service.

The timing issue the op had is a good example - some girls are very relaxed when you arrive and may offer a cuppa, and at first you don't know if the clock has started or not. If an agency girl chats for 25 mins and then you shower, you have definitely wasted 35 mins of punt time, as she will start looking at her watch soon saying its time she was going. After she goes you should first complain to the agency and if you get no redress (you probably won't) post a stinking FR. The same if its an incall 'agency'.

As far as what actually happens is concerned, after the first round a skilled wg will probably find a way of getting you to say what you can manage in the time, if she has not already done so. If you are a long stayer, have quick recovery or both, you need to be sensitive to the fact that very few girls expect to be in action constantly for the entire time you are with them. It's also good if between you, you are able to engineer a natural end to the encounter,so that the sex finishes say 10 mins before the end of the allowed time, so you can cool off. have a cuddle, a quick shower if required, and make your farewells. However I have found girls very obliging going a bit over time to get me over the finish line. Its their job...

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I do sympathise with Goodwill having been bolted up many times in the past. Most agency girls truly despise their punters. Their sole purpose is to extract as much cash as possible for the least amount of effort. No doubt someone will rock up here and blame the punter's selection process when clearly the girl is culpable. It's the usual PN reaction, the punter must be at fault if he isn't enjoying himself.

I've had three perfunctory punts this week, all lasting from between 40 and 50 minutes when I paid for an hour. I wouldn't mind but I don't even want sex - I just want a spanking. I've also walked away from three potential punts after being wilfully misled. One was supposed to be a Bangladeshi girl, but when I got there the woman was a fat white lump and covered in ink and facial piercings. I felt physically repulsed. And it had taken me over two hours to get there. I felt frustrated and annoyed.

On another recent and unforgettable encounter I had a girl get progressively more pissed (on champagne she'd demanded) during the punt. I'd paid for five hours but when she refused to whip me, telling me that I must learn to wait, I pointed out that I was entitled to the service we'd agreed. She went ballistic, threatening me and ordering me out. I'd handed over £800 was there for just shy of three hours. To compound the insult she phoned me several days later to enquire when I was next going to visit her. Unbelievable. When I pointed out my unhappiness with our previous meeting she declared that she was a goddess and my place was to serve her unquestioningly. Her blatant greed and lack of self-awareness was truly astonishing. At least that's another grabbing bitch struck off a very long list of vile, contemptible women. The more honest and open we are, the more they perceive it as a weakness to be exploited. They detest us.

My aim is to stick to wanking; it's cheap and good service is guaranteed.

You can have a verbal spanking on here for free !

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I just wanted the girls take on what is reasonable expectations between client and courtesan. When/if I see girls I try to be respectful and courteous generally speaking land up disappointed. If I go for 1 hour is always seems rushed and not very nice ... just get it over with and now it's time to leave but we can shoot the breeze for a while until time is up. If I book longer say 2 hours it goes something like chat for 20-25 minutes, shower 10 minutes. Then things get under way. A couple of trips to the bathroom and the pleasant conversation continues. Usually I think the girl is gorgeous Im still excited and after a rest I would like a second helping. The girl Im affraid isnt in the same mindset. At this point she is usually thinking right that's over with now just have to run down the clock. We chat for what seems ages there is always the line "We've 50 minutes left there's loads of time". Of course after the chat and friendliness this is usually punctuated by we only have 15 minutes left now. Ive tried booking for 3 hours similar scenario except there is more talk to start with and after and there isnt much effort if at all second time round.

Ive used most of the top agencies several times. Of course Im never rude, leave disappointed and wondering whether it was actually worth it. Now what I really wanted was a chat,drink, foreplay like with a girlfriend, her making me feel like I was the best lover ever a rest a chat a smile and a drink then a second bout of feeling like Casanove again. I would say Im fairly ordinary looking slim nothing special although I feel I treat the girls excellently I would rather be ripped off than be rude. I rarely see girls anymore because it wasnt working out. I was spending lots of money and it just wasnt worth it. I appreciate maybe it's too much to expect girls to mae me feel that special but half an hour of effort then you've had your lot mate. I try to look at it from the girls point of view. They may see 4-5 clients. So reducing the amount per client will probably help them feel more comfortable they are human beings not machines. Problem is even when I booked longer even all night same thing.

Is there actually a conflict of interests physically? The girls want to minimise contact whereas the guys obviously want to maximise it?

I would love to take it up again if I knew it wasnt going to be such a let down hence the reason for my first post.

So a question to the girls out there what is reasonable or am I being unreasonable?

The sad thing is in any job there are lazy people who will try and get away with doing very little for thier wages. But dont be to disheartened because there are a lot of girls who will give 100%. Take it up again but do your homework carefully and you may be pleasantly surprised. Oh and dont be afraid to tell them what you expect from the booking.

Shelly

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Sorry to hear you've been disappointed with your experiences, goodwill. BBW Desires thoughts on avoiding overly long first appointments chime in with my experience. It is difficult spending 2-3hrs with a complete stranger. I could be wrong but some of the ladies' attitudes point to immaturity - perhaps someone older could provide the GFE you're lacking? Other factors could be that the lady has been very busy and is worn out, hungry, sore etc? Or, as i've found, the customer has an issue with personal hygiene - either not enough washing or loads of aftershave and talcum powder :blink:

If you decide to have another go, stick to the established ladies with good FR reviews and keep it short and sweet to start. Good luck :)

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not enough washing or loads of aftershave and talcum powder :blink:

Talcum powder? What? :unsure:

I remember once being in a changing room of a gym and witnessed a guy throw so much tacl on his body after showering that he managed to remove all the oxygen from the room causing me to run outside coughing and choking from airborne talcum powder getting stuck to my throat :D

Put apart from that idiot, I never realised talc would cause girls a problem?

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