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They are going to have e-petitions again

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/index.html

if they get 100,000 sigs then there is an automatic debate in the commons

so is there room for a prostitution debate. Perhaps on the brothel law?

What we think?

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Actually, it only says a petition with 100,000 signatures would be "eligible" for a debate - it's not automatic. And it seems to me that in the absence of any particular indication that the current lot are inclined to change this law in a progressive direction, this would most likely just serve as another opportunity for the usual suspects to pop up again, attack the sex industry as a whole and renew their calls for the implementation of the "Swedish model".

My view, for what it's worth: what we'd really need first is a sustained, high-profile awareness-raising campaign from our side of the fence - one that would make the general public aware of the real issues and facts. This would also need to highlight the fact that they've been fed a foolish and distorted picture, often backed up by lies and dodgy statistics (all of which they have, by and large, been quite happy to swallow without question).

And yes, such a campaign would be a pretty tall order, calling for motivation, organisation, a fair amount of bravery and substantial funding. I suspect a lot more people, both WGs and punters, would have to stand up and be counted. Well, I really don't know if we'll ever see something like that - not in any of our lifetimes, is my guess. And sadly, no, I'm not volunteering to lead the charge. But unless that happens, I fear that the anti's will continue to have the much louder voice, and therefore the lawmakers will feel no particular inclination to make any positive changes. Hopefully there will always be a few voices of reason raised, like Niki Adams, but at present their impact tends to be fairly limited and that's how it looks likely to remain.

Sorry if that all sounds quite negative, and I don't even really mean to say "don't do it". But I do think it's best to have one's eyes open, so we need to be clear about the fact that our position is currently the weaker one.

Edited by Beauregard

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You can be guaranteed that the Radical Feminists like Bindell will already have started one against the entire adult industry. And as was said above, all the usual suspects, and usual self created stats will be trotted out to 'back up' their reasoning.

Edited by Fun Times Escorts

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as opinion polls often show,the general public think prostitution should be decriminalised for the sake of the safety of the women(and men) so the last labour govts lies were'nt accepted by everyone.however,the same public is not really motivated to actively campaign for change

funding is a main issue,if the sex worker groups such as e.c.p & i.u.s.w. had the funds that the moral supremacist groups have,then we would see a higher profile of sex worker rights activists to challenge the moral supremacist groups views

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as opinion polls often show,the general public think prostitution should be decriminalised for the sake of the safety of the women(and men) so the last labour govts lies were'nt accepted by everyone.however,the same public is not really motivated to actively campaign for change

funding is a main issue,if the sex worker groups such as e.c.p & i.u.s.w. had the funds that the moral supremacist groups have,then we would see a higher profile of sex worker rights activists to challenge the moral supremacist groups views

Not sure it all comes down solely to funding but I agree that substantial funding would be absolutely vital. Of course, in theory at least, if each and every punter donated, let's say, an extra 5% at the time of each punt, I'm pretty sure that the funding issue would be resolved very quickly. Well, I guess that's never going to happen, but: maybe if a sufficient number of WGs could be persuaded to invite their punters - on a purely voluntary basis, naturally - to donate to a fund aimed at raising awareness, improving the industry's public image and campaigning for more sensible legislation, possibly some progress might be made?

Just a thought...

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The thread about Hanane is something worthy of a petition to recognises that prostitutes are people that deserve the same human rights as every body else.

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I agree that a positive public relations campaign is needed to counter the rad-fem lies about this industry.

I would be quite happy to pay a fiver-per-punt to such a fund if I could be sure it would be used for either a PR campaign or an industry fund to assist women who are really traffiked or otherwise exploited.

Anyone got any idea how this could be organised?

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I agree that a positive public relations campaign is needed to counter the rad-fem lies about this industry.

I would be quite happy to pay a fiver-per-punt to such a fund if I could be sure it would be used for either a PR campaign or an industry fund to assist women who are really traffiked or otherwise exploited.

Anyone got any idea how this could be organised?

The only way would be to donate directly. The temptation for any girl or parlour owner to just keep the money would be too high so you really wouldnt know if it went where it was meant to unless you do it yourself, but there would be nothing to stop you dropping a fiver in the bank account of the ECP or IUSW for every punt you have. I was speaking to the ECP recently about fund raising, they are fab but I personally dont feel they connect with the right people as they should. I for one didnt know they existed until I had my problems. Im aware its something they are looking into but as with all non funded orgonisations they have a lot to do and very little man power to get it all done.

Edited by SashaB

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as opinion polls often show,the general public think prostitution should be decriminalised for the sake of the safety of the women(and men) so the last labour govts lies were'nt accepted by everyone.however,the same public is not really motivated to actively campaign for change

funding is a main issue,if the sex worker groups such as e.c.p & i.u.s.w. had the funds that the moral supremacist groups have,then we would see a higher profile of sex worker rights activists to challenge the moral supremacist groups views

What I've found worrying is how many of the prohibition feminist groups have gained funds through 'violence against women' type projects. Many politicians quite rightly champion those causes but it has had the effect that some within the VAW groups are using part of the funding and asscoiation with politicians to lobby for their own agendas - the Safer Lives, Changed Lives document is just one example of how their poison and influence is seeping into government documents. Pg 11 states prostitution, lapdancing, pornography, stripping and pole dancing as forms of sexual exploitation and is gender specific to females. If in Scotland lobby the politicians and question the funding and documents influenced by such groups.

I forsee within the next year, or so and on the back of the 2014 Glasgow Commonwealth Games that there will be another push to implement a criminalisation of men who pay for sexual services up here in Scotland.

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I see there is a petition on the site for the criminalisation of the buyer.

Also another one suggesting sex workers pay taxes by forcing them to work in brothels along with mandatory health checks all for the security of the punter.

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I think we should be careful what we wish for tbh, just because a debate occures in parliament does not mean that the outcome would make things better for everyone involved in the industry, it could just make things a whole lot worse.

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I think we should be careful what we wish for tbh, just because a debate occures in parliament does not mean that the outcome would make things better for everyone involved in the industry, it could just make things a whole lot worse.

yes chloe, can you imagine having to get planning permission, and a local authority licence for MKE, have to have a health and safety policy and to have to cope with eqality and disability regulations?

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There is a big enough of a group and its quite diverse in make up from Mad feminists, to those dykes who actually hate men and of course religious nutters, who want to completely criminalise our hobby to make the petitioning system more of a serious source of worry than anything positive and that's a certainty.

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