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What I've Found From Being Independent...

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The first thing I noticed about being independent is that the scare-mongering of the agency you 'just won't get any work as independent' is crap! At the agency, the madam is selective. Going independent i've received about 100 calls a day!! Admittedly, most of these are men wanting free sexy chat about the intricacy of what you do and don't do; or trying and failing to negotiate your rates. But going independent means you do your own marketing, not someone who doesn't know you.

Hence I feel closer to the clients and more responsible for the rates I get so try to put out a better service.

The negatives are - the amount of guys who 'i'll call back later when I've decided' drives me insane!! You definitely need a secretary to deal with the time wasters.

Then the guys who think your number is their counselling service and ask 50 questions cos 'they've never done this before'. Agencies deal with that!

There's the cancellations and time wasters. But you get these with either agency or independent work. In a couple of days - I've realised the decent clients know calling you means they're prepared to make a booking, not waste your time.

What's been your main experience of agency work compared to independent?

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My preference has always been to book indies so I will have to look you up.

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I am puzzled at the "Defined Gentlemen" in your website title.

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The first thing I noticed about being independent is that the scare-mongering of the agency you 'just won't get any work as independent' is crap! At the agency, the madam is selective. Going independent i've received about 100 calls a day!! Admittedly, most of these are men wanting free sexy chat about the intricacy of what you do and don't do; or trying and failing to negotiate your rates. But going independent means you do your own marketing, not someone who doesn't know you.

Hence I feel closer to the clients and more responsible for the rates I get so try to put out a better service.

The negatives are - the amount of guys who 'i'll call back later when I've decided' drives me insane!! You definitely need a secretary to deal with the time wasters.

Then the guys who think your number is their counselling service and ask 50 questions cos 'they've never done this before'. Agencies deal with that!

There's the cancellations and time wasters. But you get these with either agency or independent work. In a couple of days - I've realised the decent clients know calling you means they're prepared to make a booking, not waste your time.

What's been your main experience of agency work compared to independent?

Interesting post. I cut my teeth working for an agency, learned the ropes, and the pitfalls, and had friendships with the other girls who I worked alongside and sometimes with :) I am grateful for the education but not for anything else.

The boss used to say that if you went indie you would not be safe, and that the agency would protect you. That was just her blowing smoke up my arse because I have been every bit as safe working by myself as I ever was working for a pimp.

I make all of my own money, and I get to decide who I will and will not see. I choose my own working hours and do not have to travel hundreds of miles to get to a client who lives out in the middle of nowhere because she wanted a fee out of it. No allowance for petrol and deffo no security if something went wrong.

My own experience was -if you didn't take the jobs on offer i.e. see the client who was awful and not a person you would ever want to see again.. you would be sent to the bottom of the pile and have to wait your turn.

I know.......... some agencies are not like this, but they all take a fee for being a middle man - answering a 'phone call, and running an ad on t'Internet.

Indie all the way for me, although I know some girls prefer to work for someone else because they want set hours and complete anonimity ( no website etc etc)

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100 calls a day? Wow!

Only ever been indie so can't really compare!

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Confratrualtions on going independent! You certainly would rip benefits!

When you said that you received 100 calls a day! That is sound helluva a lot! Unless of course few same persistent guys keep dialing and dialing. Usually its about 20-30 calls at most per day, from different numbers, for a new girls on the scene and as stunning looking as yourself.

I don't think that many guys like to chat about intricacy or negotiate you rates. There are of course will be a few odd ones, but its exception rather then rule. You will soon find out how to filter them out with a few lines of conversation. Its not a biggie.

I did not understand: when you said, that "agencies deal with that" when clients ask 50 questions. Surely: when agency arranged preliminary booking for you, you still need to talk with a client, and he still might ask you those 50 questions on the phone. (or when he will meet you)

Basically: I cant see a single reason to employ agency. Apart of the advertising (which will cost you almost nothing), and direct clients to you (and you still need to talk to him first, i can't see how anybody do otherwise, whatever working for an agency or not). Agency fee are not justified, for the "work" they do. (IMHO)

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I was surprised to learn some time back ( and it was just mentioned by Xenia ) that some agencies allow

the client to speak to the lady before he visits her.

No agents here in the north east as far as I am aware.... would permit a client to have a girl's phone

number. If the girl was to ring the client then she would have to withold her number.... and this of course

could be an opportunity to cheat the agent.

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I have spent almost as long as an indie as I did with an agency and although I was happy to have an agent

do my advertising and arranging meetings etc I did eventually think that because of my large list of regular

and repeat clients the handing over of fees each time to the agent was something I could do without.

I also imagined that being indie would be difficult in some ways and the phone would be ringing non stop ...

the phone does NOT ring non stop...... ok at first yes I received far too many calls that I could not answer them

all but that calms down after a time.

The advantage to my long standing regular clients is that they actually pay less to see me as an indie as they did when they booked me through the agency.

Being independent is the only way for me now and I wouldn't change it.

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I really liked agency work for a while. You don't have to think - just turn up. When my escorting phone used to ring and I was with my 'normal' friends who didn't know what I did, I used to get this massive buzz knowing I was going to do something they would never believe! I really loved working for the agency because I could breeze in, then out and some wouldn't even know my name! It was so - sexy... It worked out fine for me until the beginning of the end when the agency would send me along to a house with three or four men in (not part of the deal), or to a guy who had been drinking brandy since lunchtime that day and it was now 9pm. Things like that. Fair enough, they are in it for the filthy lucra as much as I am, but it was ME doing all the hard work and taking risks. They took me for granted I think.

So, going indi gave me the control, yes, but the magic was lost a little in my hedonistic career move. I can't explain it, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. I think it was when I turned it into a sexy little sideline to a 'career move' that things changed for me.

I wish I could work for an agency again!

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Confratrualtions.... You certainly would rip benefits!

Just smiling at that Xenia - no offence intended

Surely: when agency arranged preliminary booking for you, you still need to talk with a client....

I'm surprised that you seem to imagine that the agency escort and the punter have an opportunity to speak before the appointment. In my experience, and this is over more than 100 agency bookings, agencies don't usually pass on the escort's number voluntarily or at all, and on the very are occasions they do, it'd probably be with less than 1/2 hour to go before the appointment is due to commence, in which case, the punter will usually have been en-route to the appointment and be 'committed'.

And I can think of only one example when the agency escort has contacted me beforehand: once, when I was abroad, and after the booking was confirmed by the agency, the girl called me to ask for more directions to my hotel and to tell me she was running late.

Incidentally that appointment turned out disasterously.

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I really liked agency work for a while. You don't have to think - just turn up. When my escorting phone used to ring and I was with my 'normal' friends who didn't know what I did, I used to get this massive buzz knowing I was going to do something they would never believe! I really loved working for the agency because I could breeze in, then out and some wouldn't even know my name! It was so - sexy... It worked out fine for me until the beginning of the end when the agency would send me along to a house with three or four men in (not part of the deal), or to a guy who had been drinking brandy since lunchtime that day and it was now 9pm. Things like that. Fair enough, they are in it for the filthy lucra as much as I am, but it was ME doing all the hard work and taking risks. They took me for granted I think.

So, going indi gave me the control, yes, but the magic was lost a little in my hedonistic career move. I can't explain it, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. I think it was when I turned it into a sexy little sideline to a 'career move' that things changed for me.

I wish I could work for an agency again!

I know Exactly what you mean. However there is now an element of choice about what you do. Perhaps the 'no choice' was something of a turn on?

And...... don't forget all that lovely money they took from you for organising those appointments that didn't turn out quite right. I remember going to see a man in York one night, and while we were upstairs, five of his friends turned up. The appointment ended right there and then. I could not get out of that house fast enough, and I threw his fee back at him. I do not have to be scared like that any more, that was not why I started doing this.

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I know Exactly what you mean. However there is now an element of choice about what you do. Perhaps the 'no choice' was something of a turn on?

And...... don't forget all that lovely money they took from you for organising those appointments that didn't turn out quite right. I remember going to see a man in York one night, and while we were upstairs, five of his friends turned up. The appointment ended right there and then. I could not get out of that house fast enough, and I threw his fee back at him. I do not have to be scared like that any more, that was not why I started doing this.

I think you are spot on about the 'no choice' thing. Being slightly submissive I guess this appeals to my various kinks.

As for being at the house with all those uninvited men turning up, wow - that sounds pretty scary. This is why we get paid so well, the risks alone justify it.

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I've never understood the attraction of either booking from or working for an agency but that may be because I'm just an ignorant punter (I'd be grateful for any enlightening). The agency is going to charge the punter more (so why would punters book through an agency?) and is going to pay the WG less (so why would a WG's work for an agency?). I hear the safety argument but how is an agency going to be able to keep you safe when you are in a guys house or hotel and the guy becomes an ass****. Surely what an agency can do in terms of safety, a safe buddy could do just as well? Yes they will deal with all the timewasters but is that really worth paying them extra for? Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic?

Mind you, most of the time, I never like using middle men anyway; whether it is to let a flat, rent a car or hire someone for a job you are always better off doing it yourself in my opinion. I can appreciate if you are selling a house you probably reluctantly pay an estate agent an exorbitant fee because of the complexities involved but that is about it.

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I've never understood the attraction of either booking from or working for an agency but that may be because I'm just an ignorant punter (I'd be grateful for any enlightening). The agency is going to charge the punter more (so why would punters book through an agency?) and is going to pay the WG less (so why would a WG's work for an agency?). I hear the safety argument but how is an agency going to be able to keep you safe when you are in a guys house or hotel and the guy becomes an ass****. Surely what an agency can do in terms of safety, a safe buddy could do just as well? Yes they will deal with all the timewasters but is that really worth paying them extra for? Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic?

Mind you, most of the time, I never like using middle men anyway; whether it is to let a flat, rent a car or hire someone for a job you are always better off doing it yourself in my opinion. I can appreciate if you are selling a house you probably reluctantly pay an estate agent an exorbitant fee because of the complexities involved but that is about it.

I prefer not to use middle men or women myself where possible but will go to an Agency if its the only way i know that a particular WG is working then see if she will punt with me Indie from then on cutting the Agency out. She then gets 100% of the money and its usually cheaper for me. With Parties that i go to you have to go through a middle man though.

The Establishment the WG gets work from obviously gets her the punters, its certainly not worth a third in my view but up to the WG if she agrees to such a deal. At least a Parlour supplies the incall premises as well and some have other WGs in the premises so safety in numbers. Of course some foreign WGs cant speak good enough English to take their own calls so that should be borne in mind and others tell me they like the no hassle of not having to deal with emails, texts and calls from punters, some of whom are fruit loops.

On the other hand many Indies i have punted with over the years previously worked at Agencies or Parlours and thought going Indie would be harder than it turned out to be. This was because some had been told by the Establishment it would be a lot harder thus trying to put them off going Indie in some cases or they thought getting a profile/site together would be harder than it was. Most preferred working as an Indie once they had started. :)

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Interesting post. I cut my teeth working for an agency, learned the ropes, and the pitfalls, and had friendships with the other girls who I worked alongside and sometimes with :) I am grateful for the education but not for anything else.

The boss used to say that if you went indie you would not be safe, and that the agency would protect you. That was just her blowing smoke up my arse because I have been every bit as safe working by myself as I ever was working for a pimp.

I make all of my own money, and I get to decide who I will and will not see. I choose my own working hours and do not have to travel hundreds of miles to get to a client who lives out in the middle of nowhere because she wanted a fee out of it. No allowance for petrol and deffo no security if something went wrong.

My own experience was -if you didn't take the jobs on offer i.e. see the client who was awful and not a person you would ever want to see again.. you would be sent to the bottom of the pile and have to wait your turn.

I know.......... some agencies are not like this, but they all take a fee for being a middle man - answering a 'phone call, and running an ad on t'Internet.

Indie all the way for me, although I know some girls prefer to work for someone else because they want set hours and complete anonimity ( no website etc etc)

Good points.. then again agencies aren't exactly gonna advertise independent to girls!

IExactly about working your own working hours, and the stupid things like 40% off your fees and them treating you like cattle -- my ex boss was quite mean and cutting as to why we weren't getting as much work as the star of the week. I love making it my own game in a way.

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I prefer not to use middle men or women myself where possible but will go to an Agency if its the only way i know that a particular WG is working then see if she will punt with me Indie from then on cutting the Agency out. She then gets 100% of the money and its usually cheaper for me. With Parties that i go to you have to go through a middle man though.

The Establishment the WG gets work from obviously gets her the punters, its certainly not worth a third in my view but up to the WG if she agrees to such a deal. At least a Parlour supplies the incall premises as well and some have other WGs in the premises so safety in numbers. Of course some foreign WGs cant speak good enough English to take their own calls so that should be borne in mind and others tell me they like the no hassle of not having to deal with emails, texts and calls from punters, some of whom are fruit loops.

On the other hand many Indies i have punted with over the years previously worked at Agencies or Parlours and thought going Indie would be harder than it turned out to be. This was because some had been told by the Establishment it would be a lot harder thus trying to put them off going Indie in some cases or they thought getting a profile/site together would be harder than it was. Most preferred working as an Indie once they had started. :)

As to your last paragraph spot on.

It's the calling and time wasters that do your nut in. Like it was said agency is good for learning the ropes. never allowing extra time as you genuinely get on with clients; rates being strictly non-neogotiable; how to do travel, bookings and keep yourself safe. The rest you quickly learn day by day going independent, e.g phrases to deal with the time wasters.

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Confratrualtions on going independent! You certainly would rip benefits!

When you said that you received 100 calls a day! That is sound helluva a lot! Unless of course few same persistent guys keep dialing and dialing. Usually its about 20-30 calls at most per day, from different numbers, for a new girls on the scene and as stunning looking as yourself.

I don't think that many guys like to chat about intricacy or negotiate you rates. There are of course will be a few odd ones, but its exception rather then rule. You will soon find out how to filter them out with a few lines of conversation. Its not a biggie.

I did not understand: when you said, that "agencies deal with that" when clients ask 50 questions. Surely: when agency arranged preliminary booking for you, you still need to talk with a client, and he still might ask you those 50 questions on the phone. (or when he will meet you)

Basically: I cant see a single reason to employ agency. Apart of the advertising (which will cost you almost nothing), and direct clients to you (and you still need to talk to him first, i can't see how anybody do otherwise, whatever working for an agency or not). Agency fee are not justified, for the "work" they do. (IMHO)

Thank you! :D

HAH my first day I got calls every 2 seconds, a bad thing --- me calling the 'Pauls' 'Dave' and having no idea how to deal with it all - i made exactly £000 from it lol. I couldn't do incalls, so got scared when I agreed to a car punt, then chickened out. Only on the second day I started to pick things up a bit.

ps.. the 100 calls. I think it depends on the area you live in! the competition etc. for e.g. if i advertise in Birmingham, there's loads of competition, hot girls, established agencies. In wolverhampton and dudley where I live, less so. More demand for sophisticted/ models/ high class as opposed to stripper- turned- escort. ?

Completely agreee about most agencies being a scam like.

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As a male punter I always use an independant.

Why deal and have to pay with a middle man?

I've never contemplated using an agency and probably never will unless the Newcastle Upon Tyne area ever has a drought of indies (which I cant see happening anytime soon)

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As a male punter I always use an independant.

Why deal and have to pay with a middle man?

I've never contemplated using an agency and probably never will unless the Newcastle Upon Tyne area ever has a drought of indies (which I cant see happening anytime soon)

Depends what form of punting interests you in my experience. I like parties so there is absolutely no way round using a middle man/woman in that form of punting.

If you wish to punt at 3am you might be pushed to find an Indie available but Agencies often operate 24/7, personally i would wait till regular hours and see an Indie myself but some dont. :)

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I know Exactly what you mean. However there is now an element of choice about what you do. Perhaps the 'no choice' was something of a turn on?

And...... don't forget all that lovely money they took from you for organising those appointments that didn't turn out quite right. I remember going to see a man in York one night, and while we were upstairs, five of his friends turned up. The appointment ended right there and then. I could not get out of that house fast enough, and I threw his fee back at him. I do not have to be scared like that any more, that was not why I started doing this.

But of course that could never happen when you booked the appointment yourself could it??? You cannot blame an agency for this, if you take a call to go to a private residence then how do you know every time you walk in that front door that there are not five friends waiting up stairs or hidden in the conservatory...you dont...you take your chances just like the girls who go to bookings through agencies.

This bit is just in general and not particularly aimed at you...

The simple fact is agencies are for some and not for others. Some girls dont have the time being busy mums and going to uni or college to take calls, some keep their job a secret from husbands and boyfriends, some just cannot be bothered and some lack the confidence so taking their own bookings is simply not practical for them. Agencies do this just fine instead.

I have worked for incall agencies, outcall and independantly and to be perfectly honest there is an upside and a downside to each different way of working, no way is a 100% fragrant bed of roses, different ways just suit different people.

I am sure there are plenty of shoddy agencies out there, but then again, there are plenty of shoddy indies too which is why some guys just prefer to use an agency rather than rely on a girl to remember a booking or to show up and ask the price agreed to in the initial phone call, or risk her cancelling because she booked over him when a regular client phone wanting an appointment several hours longer therefore far more lucrative for the indie (please dont arms in the air in denial, I have seen it happen)

Jump on me if you wish as I care not but all this "agencies dont even earn their fee" is rubbish if you are dealing with one that provides somewhere safe, clean and warm for a girl to work or transport and a bodyguard/driver for the girl to get to and fro safely. Not forgetting that if the agency is busy a girl does not have to build up clients, they come to her door automatically by default because these guys like or trust that particular agency. Of course it is then up to the girl to make the guy want to come back and book her again.....thats one thing and agency cannot do.

Call me naive but how many indies have a guy they can call up in the middle of the night and say...take me here please and wait outside for two hours...a few hours later..take me here please and wait outside for 4 hours? A decent outcall agency has drivers on beck and call. Yes I know some indies employ a bodyguard, but most dont.

If you want to start at an agency, learn the ropes from them and then go your merry indie way then that is just fine, but dont then take a superior attitude over them for goodness sake, you were glad of them, the security and the money they helped you earn once, you are not doing anything different to the girls who DO rely on agency's...and are glad of them.

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But of course that could never happen when you booked the appointment yourself could it??? You cannot blame an agency for this, if you take a call to go to a private residence then how do you know every time you walk in that front door that there are not five friends waiting up stairs or hidden in the conservatory...you dont...you take your chances just like the girls who go to bookings through agencies.

This bit is just in general and not particularly aimed at you...

The simple fact is agencies are for some and not for others. Some girls dont have the time being busy mums and going to uni or college to take calls, some keep their job a secret from husbands and boyfriends, some just cannot be bothered and some lack the confidence so taking their own bookings is simply not practical for them. Agencies do this just fine instead.

I have worked for incall agencies, outcall and independantly and to be perfectly honest there is an upside and a downside to each different way of working, no way is a 100% fragrant bed of roses, different ways just suit different people.

I am sure there are plenty of shoddy agencies out there, but then again, there are plenty of shoddy indies too which is why some guys just prefer to use an agency rather than rely on a girl to remember a booking or to show up and ask the price agreed to in the initial phone call, or risk her cancelling because she booked over him when a regular client phone wanting an appointment several hours longer therefore far more lucrative for the ind

If you want to start at an agency, learn the ropes from them and then go your merry indie way then that is just fine, but dont then take a superior attitude over them for goodness sake, you were glad of them, the security and the money they helped you earn once, you are not doing anything different to the girls who DO rely on agency's...and are glad of them.

I think that's what a lot of girls do lol... with 40% of their fees subsidised who can blame them ? I didn't post superior at all. I was conned with nearly half the money I earnt, sold like a piece of meat to men who would then treat me as such. Sounds like it depends on the agency but ours added no security, no driver, took away a fee we hadnt earnt if we refused a pushy/ mad client. The drive to and back from the madams house to give 40% of our money also came out of an unearned fee.

I learnt you have to be clear with clients and brutal with timewasters but that's something you'd gain from experience from the offset.

At an agency the pictures weren't great, they were shoddy and the girls all looked the same with the same blurb of half arsed info. No personality to our selves whatsoever. The boss belittled us and had her favourite, and sent girls out to her selection of regulars who were faithful to the agency and polite to the boss sure; albeit arseholes to me, and physically not very pleasant at all.

I enjoy the freedom to set my own rates, my own selling points, my own pictures, getting and deciding my own regulars.

The guys show a polite decorum on the phone I wasn't used to at an agency. You become a boss who earns quickly and not part of an agency's line up.

If you can do it yourself, you'd be stupid/ conned not to be indie.

As for 'the rush' from the calls and the submissiveness of being an agency girl , I merely dreaded which of the handful of arrogant regulars it was going to be outside the door of the agency's smelly incall apartment. Now, it's completely surprising who opens the 5* hotel door. Much safer if you choose to only work at hotels too.

Each to their own!!

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I think that's what a lot of girls do lol... with 40% of their fees subsidised who can blame them ? I didn't post superior at all. I was conned with nearly half the money I earnt, sold like a piece of meat to men who would then treat me as such. Sounds like it depends on the agency but ours added no security, no driver, took away a fee we hadnt earnt if we refused a pushy/ mad client. The drive to and back from the madams house to give 40% of our money also came out of an unearned fee.

I learnt you have to be clear with clients and brutal with timewasters but that's something you'd gain from experience from the offset.

At an agency the pictures weren't great, they were shoddy and the girls all looked the same with the same blurb of half arsed info. No personality to our selves whatsoever. The boss belittled us and had her favourite, and sent girls out to her selection of regulars who were faithful to the agency and polite to the boss sure; albeit arseholes to me, and physically not very pleasant at all.

I enjoy the freedom to set my own rates, my own selling points, my own pictures, getting and deciding my own regulars.

The guys show a polite decorum on the phone I wasn't used to at an agency. You become a boss who earns quickly and not part of an agency's line up.

If you can do it yourself, you'd be stupid/ conned not to be indie.

As for 'the rush' from the calls and the submissiveness of being an agency girl , I merely dreaded which of the handful of arrogant regulars it was going to be outside the door of the agency's smelly incall apartment. Now, it's completely surprising who opens the 5* hotel door. Much safer if you choose to only work at hotels too.

Each to their own!!

Fascinating but shocking insight into what you went through Notme. I hope for WGs sakes this is not a widespread scenario. :)

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I think that's what a lot of girls do lol... with 40% of their fees subsidised who can blame them ? I didn't post superior at all. I was conned with nearly half the money I earnt, sold like a piece of meat to men who would then treat me as such. Sounds like it depends on the agency but ours added no security, no driver, took away a fee we hadnt earnt if we refused a pushy/ mad client. The drive to and back from the madams house to give 40% of our money also came out of an unearned fee.

I learnt you have to be clear with clients and brutal with timewasters but that's something you'd gain from experience from the offset.

At an agency the pictures weren't great, they were shoddy and the girls all looked the same with the same blurb of half arsed info. No personality to our selves whatsoever. The boss belittled us and had her favourite, and sent girls out to her selection of regulars who were faithful to the agency and polite to the boss sure; albeit arseholes to me, and physically not very pleasant at all.

I enjoy the freedom to set my own rates, my own selling points, my own pictures, getting and deciding my own regulars.

The guys show a polite decorum on the phone I wasn't used to at an agency. You become a boss who earns quickly and not part of an agency's line up.

If you can do it yourself, you'd be stupid/ conned not to be indie.

As for 'the rush' from the calls and the submissiveness of being an agency girl , I merely dreaded which of the handful of arrogant regulars it was going to be outside the door of the agency's smelly incall apartment. Now, it's completely surprising who opens the 5* hotel door. Much safer if you choose to only work at hotels too.

Each to their own!!

It sounds like you worked for a heftily shite agency if you ask me which makes me wonder why you actually stayed beyond the first night or week, personally I would have told her where to stick it at the first sign of any of that!

Still, if I started working again there would be security/driver employed .x

So a girl who choses to work for an agency or parlour is either stupid or conned...not judgemental, condescending or rude at all you are you!!!

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I think that's what a lot of girls do lol... with 40% of their fees subsidised who can blame them ? I didn't post superior at all. I was conned with nearly half the money I earnt, sold like a piece of meat to men who would then treat me as such. Sounds like it depends on the agency but ours added no security, no driver, took away a fee we hadnt earnt if we refused a pushy/ mad client. The drive to and back from the madams house to give 40% of our money also came out of an unearned fee.

I learnt you have to be clear with clients and brutal with timewasters but that's something you'd gain from experience from the offset.

At an agency the pictures weren't great, they were shoddy and the girls all looked the same with the same blurb of half arsed info. No personality to our selves whatsoever. The boss belittled us and had her favourite, and sent girls out to her selection of regulars who were faithful to the agency and polite to the boss sure; albeit arseholes to me, and physically not very pleasant at all.

I enjoy the freedom to set my own rates, my own selling points, my own pictures, getting and deciding my own regulars.

The guys show a polite decorum on the phone I wasn't used to at an agency. You become a boss who earns quickly and not part of an agency's line up.

If you can do it yourself, you'd be stupid/ conned not to be indie.

As for 'the rush' from the calls and the submissiveness of being an agency girl , I merely dreaded which of the handful of arrogant regulars it was going to be outside the door of the agency's smelly incall apartment. Now, it's completely surprising who opens the 5* hotel door. Much safer if you choose to only work at hotels too.

Each to their own!!

I am wondering what you mean on your website by "defined" gentlemen also? Does that mean you only see gentleman who can prove they are ripped?

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God I'd never dream of working for an agency! I worked in a parlour and becoming an indie was a breath of fresh air. I get to choose who I see, choose when I see them, I've been to so many beautiful hotels, taken out for dinner, I set my own rates, work when I want and all my earnings go to me.

I'd never go there but I understand that some girls feel they need the security of having someone else look after them.

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God I'd never dream of working for an agency! I worked in a parlour and becoming an indie was a breath of fresh air. I get to choose who I see, choose when I see them, I've been to so many beautiful hotels, taken out for dinner, I set my own rates, work when I want and all my earnings go to me.

I'd never go there but I understand that some girls feel they need the security of having someone else look after them.

I will admit that on my first day working indie I did have a rather big self satisfied smile on my face on the way home knowing that I had earned every penny with no help from anyone else using my own advertising, wit and website (which a boyfriend set up initially then I personally re-vamped completely). I still knew though that some of these guys had heard about me because of the rather well known parlour I was working at in another town. You have to give credit where credit is due, if an establishment has a name big enough to make you noticed amongst the throng of many wg's that are out there then you cannot say they dont deserve any credit for helping to make your name.

One lady said on here that she worked at an agency, built up a list of regs then went indie with them, thus taking away from the agency who lets face it, got her those regs in the first place. Clearly it was down to her to keep them but come on, it is exactly things like this that make agencies distrust girls, stop girls talking to clients before a booking etc ..to try to cut this kind of thing down and who can blame them, they are running a business after all. In any legal business this would be called sharking, stealing another's clients but in this industry it is all "oh well, good for you for stealing ill gotten ganes from a dirty pimp" lol.

This business is immoral in so many more way's than is first obvious. A decent well run parlour or agency is still lumped in with all the rotten eggs. There is another thread on this site about how all prostitutes should not be classed as prostitutes...same goes for agencies..there are pimps and then there are people running decent, clean business's where they do not allow the girls to be abused. Parlour and agency bashing is getting rather boring tbh.xx

By the way Annabelle, this is not all directed at you, I go off onto tangents whilst typing.x

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