Dandan

The Long Term Effects Of Punting.

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I would like to discuss something with the panel. It's not something I'm proud of nor can I talk openly about with other people. But I would like to hear other people's views to see if I'm alone on this.

I'm a red blooded 35 year old male and have been punting frequently for 18 odd years. I'm as normal as the next guy.

I am embarrassed to admit that as a result of punting over the years, recently my respect for women has deteriorated as I now see them as a commodity. This in turn has led me to be a selfish lover in my personal life.

The turning point for me was about a year ago when I was away on business in the midlands staying at a five star hotel. I arrived back late one evening after being taken out to a strip club. The lobby area/ bar was empty and just a cute 20something working the night shift. I ordered a drink and started to chat her up. One thing led to another and she was talking very openly to me about her finances etc at this point I made her an indecent proposal in jest. I was shocked when she thought about it and accepted. We had a quickie which to be honest was very exciting considering the circumstances. From that day on things changed for me and I now look at women in a different way. Please don't get me wrong I am always charming, polite and courteous, I have always treated wg's well and with tlc but my thinking is that most women prostitute themselves some way or another, therefore everyone has a price?

My question for the men? Am I alone or is this one of the downsides of punting?

My question to the women? Do you share similar feelings for the guys and perhaps they are there to be manipulated? Do you feel that you can use sex as a way of getting what you want?

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I've been punting on and off for most of my adult life, since my early 20s. I have a lot of female friends outside of punting however, which perhaps keep me grounded in reality - a lot of my friends are hardcore feminists who I'm sure would be horrified of my "hobby". Even so, some women are relaxed and confident enough in their sexuality to indulge our fantasies (even some feminists) for which I'm very grateful. Always very aware that I'm being granted a privilege however in spending time with a wg, even if paying for a service - never thought of any human being as a commodity.

Still curious though as to how much you paid the young cutie in the strip club, was it about the average "going rate" or a premium sum? Admire your balls and getting a result on that occasion, but suspect working in a strip club may have been reflective of a liberal sexual attitude, perhaps she was therefore more receptive to your proposal. Would advise not trying your luck at the supermarket or local pub in this way, could be a very different (and painful) result!

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Well... your post makes sense. You are used to pay and get what you want (versus having to charm the lady while making sure you "give her a bloody good time" so she wants to see your ass again). You that's why you see women as " commodities" and make you "a selfish lover" in your personal life cause you're not used to put the required work and effort into "bedding them" . So on the long run (unfortunately but logically) your concept of them becomes a bit like they're "kleenex".

Do you share similar feelings for the guys and perhaps they are there to be manipulated?

In my case I don't see men as commodities. Basically I divide them into 2 very separate cathegories: clients and non clients. The clients are just...clients..and there's no manipulation involved, just an agreeded monetary transaction. As far as the non-clients go.. I don't recall "manipulating" any in order to get something material . also: To be able to keep your sanity intact in the sex industry you need to have clear boundaries between your work and your personal life (these things just don't mix). I don't believe that sex can get you "want you want", maybe some money yes (if you're a WG), but the important things in life like love, health, friendship, peace of mind etc.. are not earned by manipulating men in exchange for sex. Thats for sure.

Does that mean that women don't do things like sleep with a boss to get a promotion? or try to con some old rich guy into marrying them? Some will do, some won't.But this has always been a man's world, a patriarchal society were men were providers and women educated into the belief that their pussy was a piece of real state so go figure. You can't erase a tradition of centuries.

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Sorry just reread your post and noted the indecent proposal was in the upmarket hotel and not the strip club, more credit to you! Hope you overcome the commodity fixation though, will mess up your personal life if it persists...

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Hope you overcome the commodity fixation though, will mess up your personal life if it persists...

i agree. I think the combination of female friends and WG is a good idea to keep you grounded.

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I would like to discuss something with the panel. It's not something I'm proud of nor can I talk openly about with other people. But I would like to hear other people's views to see if I'm alone on this.

I'm a red blooded 35 year old male and have been punting frequently for 18 odd years. I'm as normal as the next guy.

I am embarrassed to admit that as a result of punting over the years, recently my respect for women has deteriorated as I now see them as a commodity. This in turn has led me to be a selfish lover in my personal life.

The turning point for me was about a year ago when I was away on business in the midlands staying at a five star hotel. I arrived back late one evening after being taken out to a strip club. The lobby area/ bar was empty and just a cute 20something working the night shift. I ordered a drink and started to chat her up. One thing led to another and she was talking very openly to me about her finances etc at this point I made her an indecent proposal in jest. I was shocked when she thought about it and accepted. We had a quickie which to be honest was very exciting considering the circumstances. From that day on things changed for me and I now look at women in a different way. Please don't get me wrong I am always charming, polite and courteous, I have always treated wg's well and with tlc but my thinking is that most women prostitute themselves some way or another, therefore everyone has a price?

My question for the men? Am I alone or is this one of the downsides of punting?

My question to the women? Do you share similar feelings for the guys and perhaps they are there to be manipulated? Do you feel that you can use sex as a way of getting what you want?

Hi Dandan,

Not sure I understand/share your analogies of scenario above....

But in general, I believe you only live once, therefore you should live your life so as not a rehearsal. I do not totally agree with "manogamy" in this day and age. If you are married/partner and can not contain your emotions, appetite for sex, have a high sex drive, then being with one person will merely

make you resentful and supress your feelings/emotions. It is much better I think to be honest and open with yourself, makes life a lot more easy.

Even if single- much better to be open and honest lol! haha

I think if you have been punting for too long- you say 18 years, then you are bound to be getting an almost warped view of woman or

have pre conceptions of woman in general. This will only happen though if you have punted considerable more than you have been in a loving

emotional relationship. As it will be familiar to you to view woman in a sexual manner/ sex object.

To answer your question above, personal level, I can only say that being an escort is small margin of the bigger picture in my life. I distinguish

from what is real and what is fantasy. I take reality checks often, I live in the real world so to speak, so when at work as an escort

I get enough sex and fantasy with the guys that I meet to fulfill that side of my nature. I would not say that has any way shape or form

warped my view of men, as not all men are made and built the same. Sex drives and testosterone levels most def differ.

Having male friends that I meet up with often and not having sex- it would be difficult to look at them in this light!

So really in some instances it is not all about sex.

I think that is a matter of opinion for you to say that "all" woman prostitute themselfs in one way or another.

I know woman that would never prostitute themselfs, and to even be compared to a prostitute they would be outraged at the thought!

Everyone is an individual. You seem to have a strong opinion to look at all woman as the same and tar them with the same brush.

Punting for too long I believe has drawbacks. I have met guys that have punted for years and years and all depending on the individual

they may be cold, unemotionally detached, 'nerve free' where they simple do not show any nerves anymore as they almost carry a

cool, calm cold exterior. Ok, this may be an example of how you would 'not' want to be.

Simple put, I think if you met a girl and she took an offer of money from you, that is down to her as an individual. Not every woman

you would meet would take this offer and in some instances some woman would find it quite offensive.

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I suspect a lot of blokes have a fantasy, about turning a straight girl into a hooker, for half an hour. Its like preferring the receptionist in the parlour to the working girls. We all want what seems unattainable. I havent changed my behaviour with woman, but punting has increased my knowledge of their attitudes to life, a little. But its a work in progress. 30 years ago, a girl mentioned, that all girls would prostitute themselves if it were appropriate at the time. I now know that she was being reasonable accurate.

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I am embarrassed to admit that as a result of punting over the years, recently my respect for women has deteriorated as I now see them as a commodity. This in turn has led me to be a selfish lover in my personal life.

Indirectly punting has had the opposite effect on me.

my thinking is that most women prostitute themselves some way or another, therefore everyone has a price?

You mentioned five star hotel, on business and described the girl, when it was unnecessary and irrelevant. That suggests to me that you are egotistical and materialistic and that the problem or short sightedness lies within you and not the women you meet.

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I do not see women as commodities at all. If anything I feel more relaxed and sane around women. In the sexless years with Mrs L. I did see all women as sex objects and haughty refusers of my desperate needs. Now I am not consumed by that image- maybe the pills have finally kicked in as well as the years of therapy.

I do find myself "overlapping" at times. Thus, when I'm walking around the Paddington area I tend to imagine any thai looking woman is an escort on her lunch break. But if I ever found myself making proposals to good looking girls out of the blue I'd have to retire

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Men are physically stronger than women. Men want sex. Females must learn from an early age that their very survival depends on being able to manipulate men and it was only recently that women were able to get good jobs and live independent lives.

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I've been punting on and off for most of my adult life, since my early 20s. I have a lot of female friends outside of punting however, which perhaps keep me grounded in reality - a lot of my friends are hardcore feminists who I'm sure would be horrified of my "hobby". Even so, some women are relaxed and confident enough in their sexuality to indulge our fantasies (even some feminists) for which I'm very grateful. Always very aware that I'm being granted a privilege however in spending time with a wg, even if paying for a service - never thought of any human being as a commodity.

Still curious though as to how much you paid the young cutie in the strip club, was it about the average "going rate" or a premium sum? Admire your balls and getting a result on that occasion, but suspect working in a strip club may have been reflective of a liberal sexual attitude, perhaps she was therefore more receptive to your proposal. Would advise not trying your luck at the supermarket or local pub in this way, could be a very different (and painful) result!

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She worked at the hotel not the strip club which was why it was more exciting as she had never done anything like this before or so she told me

:huh:

I paid her £100 for the privilege :P

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She worked at the hotel not the strip club which was why it was more exciting as she had never done anything like this before or so she told me

:huh:

I paid her £100 for the privilege :P

In the words of the great champion of women's rights, Borat. "High Five".

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This in turn has led me to be a selfish lover in my personal life.

On the contrary my experiences with WG's have taught me quite a few sexual techniques which I have used to boost my sex life at home.

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Indirectly punting has had the opposite effect on me.

You mentioned five star hotel, on business and described the girl, when it was unnecessary and irrelevant. That suggests to me that you are egotistical and materialistic and that the problem or short sightedness lies within you and not the women you meet.

The relevance was merely to set the scene as I was shocked that this could happen in an establishment like this hotel. Nothing to do with being egotistical or materialistic. One thing punting has taught me is im not so quick to judge people in life, everyone has their own reasons for doing things. Perhaps you should not be so quick to judge me especially as you know nothing about the sort of person I am.

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I think that is a matter of opinion for you to say that "all" woman prostitute themselfs in one way or another.

I know woman that would never prostitute themselfs, and to even be compared to a prostitute they would be outraged at the thought!

Everyone is an individual. You seem to have a strong opinion to look at all woman as the same and tar them with the same brush.

Hi Natashasexy4uxx,

Thank you for you honest reply.

A lot of your post talks about tarnishing 'all' women with the same brush when I never used the word 'all' I simply said 'most'.

Obviously I don't think ' all ' women are the same what I was simply saying is that I wonder if everyone has a price both male and female, it's just a matter of how much and for what.

I have happily married friends whose wives withhold sex for certain reasons and use sex as rewards for others, I'm sure a lot of men can relate to this in past and present relationships? I certainly can. Is this any different from prostituting yourself in traditional way?

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My question to the women? Do you share similar feelings for the guys and perhaps they are there to be manipulated? Do you feel that you can use sex as a way of getting what you want?

You're asking the wrong women.

Of course WGs use sex as a way of getting what we want - that's the whole point. We have sex for money.

If you are simply viewing women - all women - as commodities, then you need to take a step back. Don't you have a mother/sisters/female cousins/female friends/female work colleagues? If not, I suggest you find some. If you have other females in your life - females other than WGs, I mean - then perhaps your attitude will change for the better.

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Hi Natashasexy4uxx,

Thank you for you honest reply.

A lot of your post talks about tarnishing 'all' women with the same brush when I never used the word 'all' I simply said 'most'.

Obviously I don't think ' all ' women are the same what I was simply saying is that I wonder if everyone has a price both male and female, it's just a matter of how much and for what.

I have happily married friends whose wives withhold sex for certain reasons and use sex as rewards for others, I'm sure a lot of men can relate to this in past and present relationships? I certainly can. Is this any different from prostituting yourself in traditional way?

Dandan, If you look at your own heading of this thread "long term effects of punting" that will give you a clue into the answers you are looking for!!

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In the words of the great champion of women's rights, Borat. "High Five".

Haha Lol @ Mr Divine :-))) xxxx

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She worked at the hotel not the strip club which was why it was more exciting as she had never done anything like this before or so she told me

Now...that's "real manipulation" at it's best: tricking a guy into thinking you've never had sex in exchange of money. Sounds to me like this chick had a little "business on the side" in that hotel besides serving martinis lol. I know quite a few women who have regular (low paying) jobs in civie life but play tricks on the side to suplement their income. I would be careful with that type of proposition thou cause most women would find it offensive. And if you don't believe me I challenge you to go for a walk and ask all the women you bump into if their willing to have sex with you in exchange for 100$.

That's one interesting survey :lol:

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I think i will pass thanks not really into being beaten up paid or not :)

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Well, I think she manipulated you by telling you about her finance issues! There are plenty of women who use their feminine wiles to acquire money or gifts from men, plenty don't though. At least with prostitution the exchange is open and frank, but of course girls will pretend to like a man more than she probably does to get him to come back, but that's business...

In the same way some men will woo and charm women to get them to sleep with them but have no intention on having a relationship that the girl might want.

There are 'good' and 'bad' people of both genders.

Dandan- I would suggest the fact you're thinking about this and are self aware shows you are a nice guy really! Don't become cynical! If you meet Ms Right one day you'll see that you'll feel the difference too.

*is a romantic at heart*

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I would like to discuss something with the panel. It's not something I'm proud of nor can I talk openly about with other people. But I would like to hear other people's views to see if I'm alone on this.

I'm a red blooded 35 year old male and have been punting frequently for 18 odd years. I'm as normal as the next guy.

I am embarrassed to admit that as a result of punting over the years, recently my respect for women has deteriorated as I now see them as a commodity. This in turn has led me to be a selfish lover in my personal life.

The turning point for me was about a year ago when I was away on business in the midlands staying at a five star hotel. I arrived back late one evening after being taken out to a strip club. The lobby area/ bar was empty and just a cute 20something working the night shift. I ordered a drink and started to chat her up. One thing led to another and she was talking very openly to me about her finances etc at this point I made her an indecent proposal in jest. I was shocked when she thought about it and accepted. We had a quickie which to be honest was very exciting considering the circumstances. From that day on things changed for me and I now look at women in a different way. Please don't get me wrong I am always charming, polite and courteous, I have always treated wg's well and with tlc but my thinking is that most women prostitute themselves some way or another, therefore everyone has a price?

My question for the men? Am I alone or is this one of the downsides of punting?

My question to the women? Do you share similar feelings for the guys and perhaps they are there to be manipulated? Do you feel that you can use sex as a way of getting what you want?

I dont view WGs as a commodity but as service providers offering a service like dentists but an indescribably more fun service.

I would never proposition a stranger like this, i want to be 100% sure she is a WG offering what i require.

I have zero interest in monogomy and want to have as much sex as i want and punting offers that in a no strings, no hassle way. After 28 years punting it hasnt affected me apart from confirming what i already knew, i am a selfish bastard who puts my wants first whatever the consequences.

I punt for sex and have relationships for love and i like being loved but its not enough, i want variety on top so want my cake and to eat it. :)

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Hi,

The original post struck at chord with me but I have never struck as lucky.

A few years ago I used to spend three nights a week staying at a Premier Inn. Over time I began to chat regularly with one of the barmaids. She was a student studying a field related to my work so we had some common ground. One frequent topic of conversation was her finances and another was the lack of suitable guys that she met. As I was twice her age I never took things further but maybe I should have made her an offer!

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I do not see women as commodities at all. If anything I feel more relaxed and sane around women. In the sexless years with ..... I did see all women as ..... objects and haughty refusers of my desperate needs. Now I am not consumed by that image

That's exactly my case if you change what was there in the two gaps in the quote. Excellent choice of words, mate. I'd just replace the lady who was mentioned in the first of the gaps with "everyone female I met in the society where I lived" and "sex" in the second with "anti-sex" or "sex-hating".

Punting was the cure when I'd had nothing but crap from polite female society from when I was 14 until 19 - and taken it all passively without hitting back, which I regret now - and was finally able to track down a few well-hidden puntees. They had to be hidden because the police were too interested in them (and in punters). Purity crusaders were a nuisance too, particularly when they tried to behave like amateur police.

With the sex drive taken care of, there's no problem about being relaxed and sane in ordinary civilian life. Quite the opposite. You can actually enjoy the women in it as people and look for only their good points once anything sexual is completely off the agenda. That may be an unusual way to view things these days but it's the best formula I've come across for social pleasure. More reliable than any other formulas I've noticed people using.

When I was a novice punter I was very grateful for what I learned from the WGs I saw in my punts. Still learning. Still grateful. When they've been doing you that sort of favour over a long lifetime and keeping your balls as happy as mine are, you celebrate them. Not all of them, of course, but I've met many more good WG people than bad ones, and each good one makes up for much more than one bad one.

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