Sarah Summers

Why Does It Go Wrong Then

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Is it because the guys are too picky when they make their choice of girl? Are they expecting too much? Do they base their research criteria on looks before anything else. You read about so many punts going wrong and higher percentages of bad against good; but then there is all this info at your fingertips guys ! So why do your punts go wrong? I am baffled??

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Is it because the guys are too picky when they make their choice of girl? Are they expecting too much? Do they base their research criteria on looks before anything else. You read about so many punts going wrong and higher percentages of bad against good; but then there is all this info at your fingertips guys ! So why do your punts go wrong? I am baffled??

My 10% go wrong because the WG or Establishment who offers her work have lied to me. The usual lies are her pictures bear no reality to the real her and i dont fancy the real her in the flesh, or services agreed and that i made crystal clear i required when booking actually arent on offer, or extra money on top of what was agreed is asked for even though it was not mentioned beforehand. Or her attitude is bad, she is unfriendly and cold, it can sometimes be a combination of the above. Bad SPs will lie with the goal of getting you to the punt in the hope you will stay and punt whatever thinking with your dick, they have no interest in your repeat custom, a one-off is sufficient.

I expect whats been agreed nothing more although with good WGs i sometimes get offered more. I uphold my end of the deal, have the correct fee, am clean and respectful always going in with a positive attitude. :)

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The 'average' punt I talked about on the percentage thread was I think average mainly down to myself building up my expectation to an unreasonable level

I'd been wanting to see this girl for a couple of years and she kept leaving the scene, coming back etc, I could never quite time things right until finally one day I struck lucky and secured my usual 2 hour bookings

When I arrived things were perfectly ok, the encounter was perfectly good, but I just didn't seem to click, that and the fact there were clearly lots of fake 'oohs and ahhs' going on, along with a soundtrack of what was clearly meant to be 'sex talk', but it was doing nothing at all for me, apart from making me think 'shut the hell up this is putting me off my stroke'

The sex was gret and everything you could expect, just too mechanical and fake in places, my expectations had led me to believe in my head that having finally secured the services of this hard to get hold of lady, it was going to be a ride to remember.

Sadly as it turned out, for the wrong reason. It was the first and so far only time I've bailed on a punt mid way through, as they say in the papers, I made my excuse and left

I learnt there and then to temper my expectations and just take things as they come and to be honest, I've been more surprised with punts since, whhere things have been a whole lot better than I would have allowed myself to believe.

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My 10% go wrong because the WG or Establishment who offers her work have lied to me. The usual lies are her pictures bear no reality to the real her and i dont fancy the real her in the flesh, or services agreed and that i made crystal clear i required when booking actually arent on offer, or extra money on top of what was agreed is asked for even though it was not mentioned beforehand. Or her attitude is bad, she is unfriendly and cold, it can sometimes be a combination of the above. Bad SPs will lie with the goal of getting you to the punt in the hope you will stay and punt whatever thinking with your dick, they have no interest in your repeat custom, a one-off is sufficient.

I expect whats been agreed nothing more although with good WGs i sometimes get offered more. I uphold my end of the deal, have the correct fee, am clean and respectful always going in with a positive attitude. :)

Yep

What Smiths says here is spot on

I've also had it happen where the girl is physically attractive and pleasant in manner but has a sexual technique that just does nothing for me at all, whether that be HJ, BJ, kissing or the act itself. That elusive quality 'sex appeal' is all important.

I've come across a few other wgs who just have no idea at all how to handle a dick and no amount of guidance seems to help. Some really are inept and when the deal is usually far from cheap you'd think they'd have done their homework, and this cant always be explained away as inexperience from a newbie.

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I think it might revolve around;

High expectations, low returns.

The high expectations can be in the mind, in what you've read, what you've seen and more beside.

The low returns can come from all of the usual misleading statements or pictures, the location, attitude on either part and many other issues.

Whatever you have read and seen, to me, the biggest factor is the "click" from meeting a girl. She may have been the greatest thing since sliced bread with one customer but, for whatever reasons, it doesn't happen with you.

Personally I find it rarely "goes wrong" for me if I have no great expectations, be respectful, just go with the flow and enjoy what happens.

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What smiffy said. Although I have a 25% failure rate, that doesn't include those days where I've spent hours getting to a punt and for whatever reason had to abandon it. They're almost worse in a way because you remain unseen. Plan B failures compound the dismay.

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Sarah, I think that although we're shithot ;) there seems to be a lot of girls out there who are less honest about what they offer etc. I was amazed when I started reading these forums how often a guy had a shoddy experience and the reasons why.

But also, as mentioned the click factor comes into it. I try very hard even if I think the guy's a pratt but sometimes it doesn't quite work. I don't think a man would leave me having had a 'bad' experience, but some would choose not to come back and I think that goes for every WG.

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I don't have 'high expectations' - statistically a lot of punts are average. But I call them average based on the smaller proportion that are outstanding. Experience has taught me to get better at selecting. The common ways an escort lets herself down is by having a mindset that is akin to putting bobbins on spindles or some other boring repetitive job. She might 'quite like' the punter, but he doesn't pay high amounts of cash for 'quite like.' Her job is to be exceptional, to provide an amazing experience that usually includes physical and emotional elements. I wouldn't want to tell her how to do the job - it's her job not mine - but maybe the successful ones are good at finding something amazing in each client and in each meeting. Like the first time you had sex with the most awesome lover, or someone you never believed you'd be able to get off with. Most people think acting is to do with pretending - but (according to method actors) it's about finding something deep and real inside yourself and bringing it out in the new scenario. That's how many great actors give a fresh, spontaneous and rivetting performance each night. Bad actors are just mechanical. Like bad escorts, I'm afraid. But on the other hand, there are times when a punter just needs a shag, of almost any description. In which case all that's required is for the escort, if it's all she can provide, to fulfil whatever promises she makes, on the profile, photos, or over the phone. Seriously bad punts are when she doesn't even achieve that with a degree of honesty and integrity. Seriously good ones are where she brings not only those minimum requirements but also something of herself that makes the punter's experience a jewel in his memory.

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I don't have 'high expectations' - statistically a lot of punts are average. But I call them average based on the smaller proportion that are outstanding. Experience has taught me to get better at selecting. The common ways an escort lets herself down is by having a mindset that is akin to putting bobbins on spindles or some other boring repetitive job. She might 'quite like' the punter, but he doesn't pay high amounts of cash for 'quite like.' Her job is to be exceptional, to provide an amazing experience that usually includes physical and emotional elements. I wouldn't want to tell her how to do the job - it's her job not mine - but maybe the successful ones are good at finding something amazing in each client and in each meeting. Like the first time you had sex with the most awesome lover, or someone you never believed you'd be able to get off with. Most people think acting is to do with pretending - but (according to method actors) it's about finding something deep and real inside yourself and bringing it out in the new scenario. That's how many great actors give a fresh, spontaneous and rivetting performance each night. Bad actors are just mechanical. Like bad escorts, I'm afraid. But on the other hand, there are times when a punter just needs a shag, of almost any description. In which case all that's required is for the escort, if it's all she can provide, to fulfil whatever promises she makes, on the profile, photos, or over the phone. Seriously bad punts are when she doesn't even achieve that with a degree of honesty and integrity. Seriously good ones are where she brings not only those minimum requirements but also something of herself that makes the punter's experience a jewel in his memory.

:)

Easy answer to this one - don't act - just be yourself.

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Think I must be an exception to the rule here as in 25+ years of punting this has rarely been a problem for me. Obviously some punts have been better than others but the number of total disasters I have had can be counted on fingers of one hand. I now tend to only see a few regular ladies that I have known for many years so the issue does not really apply to me any more but the best advice, as always, is spend a little time and DO YOUR RESEARCH.

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Because it is about personal chemistry and you can never ever guarantee that in advance.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the service level of working girls since I started punting. All of them made an effort (even the one who clearly hated her work) and not a single one was taking the piss.

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Because it is about personal chemistry and you can never ever guarantee that in advance.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the service level of working girls since I started punting. All of them made an effort (even the one who clearly hated her work) and not a single one was taking the piss.

MMM I hear you and agree to a point. We as service providers should be able to bypass the lack of chemistry ( should there be a lack of it) and compensate for that with our service provider talents :) If you just don't click with the customer you can still give him your best service, so he should not be able to - or want to complain, even if he would never return IMHO

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Easy answer to this one - don't act - just be yourself.

Nice as it sounds, the drug-riddled short-changing WG is just 'being herself.' I honestly wonder if the decent professional women have much knowledge of the section of the industry filled with disappointing WGs with doubtful professional abilities.

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Nice as it sounds, the drug-riddled short-changing WG is just 'being herself.' I honestly wonder if the decent professional women have much knowledge of the section of the industry filled with disappointing WGs with doubtful professional abilities.

Of course we don't unless we have personal experience of these women. The main way

we learn of these bad providers is either on boards such as this or by listening to

our clients who tell us the horror stories.

When I hear such things as:

She looked like she had just got up from a 12 hour drunken sleep.

Her bedroom was a pigsty and the tumble drier was rattling away

IN THE CORNER OF THE ROOM

She asked for the money before the front door was shut behind me.

She refused to speak.... just wanted to get it over with.

All she did was moan about her boyfriend/mother/neighbours

etc etc

Things like that just reinforce my confidence in myself and the

way I conduct my business.

On those rare occasions when a client is arrogant/boring to the point of

zzzzzzzzzz or just a complete twat..... they still receive the same attention

and enthusiasm that the lovey guys do!

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Im always a bit wary of guy that may have sent emails text or even phones calls ect saying stuf like been trying to see you for ages and ages and cant get to see you or they keep missing me in an area if im touring ect As i feel they may have built it up so much in there minds that its impossible to really please or match there fantasy ect

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Im always a bit wary of guy that may have sent emails text or even phones calls ect saying stuf like been trying to see you for ages and ages and cant get to see you or they keep missing me in an area if im touring ect As i feel they may have built it up so much in there minds that its impossible to really please or match there fantasy ect

I so do this. Made a big mistake recently when I spent far too much time thinking about what I was going to do etc etc. Booked the lady a week in advance and even stopped the regular knuckle shuffle's to save it up for the day. Stupid stupid stupid. No surprise that I made a complete twat of myself and feel so sorry for the lovely lovely lady I was with.

Then today, I just made a last minute decision, went with it and had an awesome time.

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I've learned, and have discovered the best gems through - taking the attitude that it's literally a 'punt'. I expect to see a female of the species naked in the same room as me - anything beyond that is a bonus.

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After finding this forum I realised that there are girls who are sincere, conscientious, thoughtful and most importantly possess some self awareness. Based on five years of experience and a shameful amount of money, these are not attributes I associate with escorts. I've met some manipulative, deceitful and brazenly rapacious women who cannot conceal their avarice.

Some people become defensive when punters relate their war stories and resort to preconceived assumptions wrapped up in an easy cliche. The usual blandishments about research being the key - as if that's a magic bullet. What on earth do they think we're doing on here? No amount of research will guarantee you a good punt because it's impossible to evaluate a girl's personality until you meet her.

I piss and moan sometimes but afterwards I feel better for just having communicated my frustrations to anyone reading forum. I find it bewildering that some girls perceive generalised criticism as a personal attack on them or their profession. Among other things this board is a mechanism for us all to externalise our frustrations and convey our unhappiness, and I think it's commendable that the OP is keen on uncovering the common reasons behind our collective punting grief.

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that what i mean for a proportion of guys its so built up in your head about what its gonna be like that ,what your gonna do, how many times you are going to do ect, it could be quiet dissapointing in one way or another (not saying that im going to dissapoint a client) but its hard to live up to a fantasy of yourself in someones head when your actually flesh and blood and a real person

its a bit like a holiday that you have planned for ages and ages and when you get there its just as the brochure described pictures and all but just not quiet what you imagined in your head

Sometime those last minute spur of the moment bookings can be the best

I so do this. Made a big mistake recently when I spent far too much time thinking about what I was going to do etc etc. Booked the lady a week in advance and even stopped the regular knuckle shuffle's to save it up for the day. Stupid stupid stupid. No surprise that I made a complete twat of myself and feel so sorry for the lovely lovely lady I was with.

Then today, I just made a last minute decision, went with it and had an awesome time.

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My experience might be unique or possibly I'm simply inexperienced. I've visited Britain very infrequently during decades and if possibly at those times had sessions with spankees or submissives. I'm thus not looking for sex. I don't think any such session I've had has been bad, but problems have sometimes arrived before a session.

Once I visited a London establishment, but I wasn't shown the women providing the services I looked for. Instead I met by some kind of "Madam" who insisted I did all negociation with her and that I couldn't meet the provider before we had reached all kinds of agreements. I refused as I think that there's so many problems and misunderstandings lurking if such a negociation was done without the central person present. By the way, the establishment felt a bit fishy and I wasn't altogether certain there was somebody prepared to provide the services I was looking for or which shape that woman was in. Thus the negociations broke down and I left and the Madam called me a timewaster. When I replied that she had wasted my time I had literary to run in order not to be subjected to a not agreed dominance session. Luckily she was no runner.

It has also occurred that I've tried to establish contact and been, what I think was, rejected in some strange way. For instance I've made a call. The conversation goes on. Suddenly the contact is lost. I try again at several occasions and get no reply. Thus I'm left wondering, what have I said that is so horrible that I'm not entitled to a simple: "Sorry, but I don't think I'm the right for you" or something like that.

Well, others have met me and said they wouldn't mind seeing me again.

I don't know if I'm been lucky or unlucky, but sessions have been good to great. My problem have sometimes been to get a session.

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Is it because the guys are too picky when they make their choice of girl? ... Do they base their research criteria on looks before anything else.

If people go first for quality of looks it's easy to believe they're often disappointed. That's not me though, and probably not most of the punters here.

I certainly begin by filtering out all the WGs who aren't one of my types and who have either no pictures to suggest whether they are or not, or pictures that simply aren't credible. That rules out a lot - unfortunately including some interesting WG posters on PN - but it still leaves plenty of starters.

Is it because the guys are ... expecting too much?

I'd hope not. And my expectations for punts are the same in UK as anywhere else. They're satisfied in most countries where I punt.

Many UK punters complain that the WGs just don't live up to what their advertising says. Those are objective complaints which even a robot could check. Here are a few...

The usual lies are her pictures bear no reality to the real her ... or services agreed and that i made crystal clear i required when booking actually arent on offer, or extra money on top of what was agreed is asked for even though it was not mentioned beforehand.

I'm not happy about what's available in the UK but I should say I've never had those experiences there. Perhaps I've just been lucky. Perhaps it's because in looking at sites and FRs it hasn't been hard to develop a nose for fakes and then avoid them.

Now here's where I agree with the poster's complaints. It's where the real problem is ...

her attitude is bad, she is unfriendly and cold,

You can find examples of that sort of thing anywhere in the world, but in Europe nowhere more easily than the UK. That's for sure. Where that's concerned, punting in the best European countries is like punting on a different planet. And the best Latin American countries are hog heaven.

And there's this one too ...

I've come across a few other wgs who just have no idea at all how to handle a dick and no amount of guidance seems to help. Some really are inept and when the deal is usually far from cheap you'd think they'd have done their homework, and this cant always be explained away as inexperience from a newbie.

A possible explanation is that those WGs, including some veterans, actually don't know anything much about sex. Strange but I've seen cases where I'm sure it's true. I'd include at least one (former?) WG poster on PN there.

You read about so many punts going wrong and higher percentages of bad against good; but then there is all this info at your fingertips guys ! So why do your punts go wrong? I am baffled??

Through bad attitudes.

Unfriendly and cold is only one of the ways of having a bad attitude. Variations of that way are "I want your money but I hate punters", "I don't care if I come across as punter-hating because that's what I am", "Don't forget I'm doing you a favour, so take whatever I feel like giving you and be grateful for it", "Don't do that, I don't like it", "OK, I'll lie down now if you have to fuck me, but get it over as fast as you can" and "The fact that you're here for punting means you're not human". When I find myself in that general ballpark it's an amusing game to see if I can guess quickly which particular variation it will be. Usually I guess right.

I've often met WGs who aren't particularly unfriendly or cold but have a bad punting attitude anyway. The main UK problem there is automatic pilot treatment where a WG has a single fixed idea about how the punting part of anyone's punt should run and runs it that way. Exactly on mental automatic pilot. No attention paid to what the individual punter wants or might be thinking. That's just ignored. Before and afterwards she may even be very friendly and enjoy conversation etc, but in the middle the brain is disconnected from the eyes, ears and the rest of the body. Possibly thinking about her next hairdressing appointment or where to book her next holiday. I've used "inert pudding" before to describe the state of the body while that's going on.

Another problem. For the punting part of the punt it's reasonable to expect 2 rounds in a 1-hour deal or 3 in 2 hours. In UK I've rarely got the first and never the second. WGs there pull every trick in the book to avoid it. Sometimes consciously, but I'm sure it's so much built in sometimes that it's subconscious.

One more negative thing: I'm also sure it isn't unusual for the WGs to believe this sex rationing and the automatic pilot treatment are both totally normal behaviour, not just something to do to punish the punter or avoid unnecessary work.

Why is the UK so different from the best punting countries? The difference between about 10% positively good punts and 30% positively bad and 30% positively good and 10% positively bad. I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas?

Could it have something to do with how the different societies have looked at prostitution? In all the good places it's been an accepted fact of life for at least 150 years and probably much more. In the UK it's been unaccepted for at least 150. I see news items from there (and PN threads) to suggest you're still having to live with that problem now.

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I've been very lucky, most of my punts have been very satisfying, some have been extraordinary. :) Truthfully, only one punt I've had was very disappointing and that was with someone at a top parlour who had excellent reviews and was described as possibly the best looking girl they had ever employed! I do my research and am very picky about who I see and I think having realistic expectations, especially for the first time you see a lady plus having that elusive chemistry (real or faked) leads to a good punt.

When I punted in my 20s I had very high expectations, was attracted mainly to looks and novelty and therefore saw some stunning women, usually just once. However as I have got older I appreciate much more that meeting women in real life (even very sexy escorts) is not quite the same as I saw in the media and in particular, porn.

Where I have felt disappointed was usually for one or more of the following reasons:

1) I don't feel relaxed, either because the lady seems a bit cold/aloof or sometimes I just feel a bit nervous the first time with a new WG (even though I have been punting on/off for 13 years.)

2) The lady just seems bored so either doesn't seem engage with me much on a personal level (irrespective of sex) or it is very mechanical, which I can accept, but not even disguising how bored you are is a major turn off.

3) It was the first time I tried something new (see point 1 above about being nervous.) A good example is S&M where it took me some time to get used to it but was something that I ultimately enjoyed very much.

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If people go first for quality of looks it's easy to believe they're often disappointed. That's not me though, and probably not most of the punters here.

I certainly begin by filtering out all the WGs who aren't one of my types and who have either no pictures to suggest whether they are or not, or pictures that simply aren't credible. That rules out a lot - unfortunately including some interesting WG posters on PN - but it still leaves plenty of starters.

I'd hope not. And my expectations for punts are the same in UK as anywhere else. They're satisfied in most countries where I punt.

Many UK punters complain that the WGs just don't live up to what their advertising says. Those are objective complaints which even a robot could check. Here are a few...

I'm not happy about what's available in the UK but I should say I've never had those experiences there. Perhaps I've just been lucky. Perhaps it's because in looking at sites and FRs it hasn't been hard to develop a nose for fakes and then avoid them.

Now here's where I agree with the poster's complaints. It's where the real problem is ...

You can find examples of that sort of thing anywhere in the world, but in Europe nowhere more easily than the UK. That's for sure. Where that's concerned, punting in the best European countries is like punting on a different planet. And the best Latin American countries are hog heaven.

And there's this one too ...

A possible explanation is that those WGs, including some veterans, actually don't know anything much about sex. Strange but I've seen cases where I'm sure it's true. I'd include at least one (former?) WG poster on PN there.

Through bad attitudes.

Unfriendly and cold is only one of the ways of having a bad attitude. Variations of that way are "I want your money but I hate punters", "I don't care if I come across as punter-hating because that's what I am", "Don't forget I'm doing you a favour, so take whatever I feel like giving you and be grateful for it", "Don't do that, I don't like it", "OK, I'll lie down now if you have to fuck me, but get it over as fast as you can" and "The fact that you're here for punting means you're not human". When I find myself in that general ballpark it's an amusing game to see if I can guess quickly which particular variation it will be. Usually I guess right.

I've often met WGs who aren't particularly unfriendly or cold but have a bad punting attitude anyway. The main UK problem there is automatic pilot treatment where a WG has a single fixed idea about how the punting part of anyone's punt should run and runs it that way. Exactly on mental automatic pilot. No attention paid to what the individual punter wants or might be thinking. That's just ignored. Before and afterwards she may even be very friendly and enjoy conversation etc, but in the middle the brain is disconnected from the eyes, ears and the rest of the body. Possibly thinking about her next hairdressing appointment or where to book her next holiday. I've used "inert pudding" before to describe the state of the body while that's going on.

Another problem. For the punting part of the punt it's reasonable to expect 2 rounds in a 1-hour deal or 3 in 2 hours. In UK I've rarely got the first and never the second. WGs there pull every trick in the book to avoid it. Sometimes consciously, but I'm sure it's so much built in sometimes that it's subconscious.

One more negative thing: I'm also sure it isn't unusual for the WGs to believe this sex rationing and the automatic pilot treatment are both totally normal behaviour, not just something to do to punish the punter or avoid unnecessary work.

Why is the UK so different from the best punting countries? The difference between about 10% positively good punts and 30% positively bad and 30% positively good and 10% positively bad. I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas?

Could it have something to do with how the different societies have looked at prostitution? In all the good places it's been an accepted fact of life for at least 150 years and probably much more. In the UK it's been unaccepted for at least 150. I see news items from there (and PN threads) to suggest you're still having to live with that problem now.

I generally agree with your comments regarding bad attitudes, but unlike you i expect to pay by time so its however many rounds i can manage in an hour or two rather than the figures you have posted here. I have seen the automatic pilot you mention myself but its fortunately rare in my experience. Also my overall bad punts are 10% all in the UK with about 70% good or better so bear no relation to your figures.

In my punting i have found WGs attitudes have improved so its getting better although with bad apples still spoiling things. In my case this is shown by no bad punts for a long time now. :)

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By and large Sarah, things don't go wrong. I've had one or two miserable incidents (no show or late cancellation with iffy excuses) but overall I've enjoyed my punting experience and will always be glad I didn't miss it.

The girls have been smashing, some beautiful, some pretty, some plain but so few attitude problems that they are gone and forgotten - far too many, good and favourable memories to be bothered with the rare exceptions.

(Humorous memories too - one with a young BBW, the bed threatening to collapse, me frightened of fallng off her cos I'd no parachute, and able to glimpse the local Tax Office front door if I looked beyond the swaying bedhead!) :D

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Is it because the guys are too picky when they make their choice of girl? Are they expecting too much? Do they base their research criteria on looks before anything else. You read about so many punts going wrong and higher percentages of bad against good; but then there is all this info at your fingertips guys ! So why do your punts go wrong? I am baffled??

My bads have usually been bad attitude and not doing the advertised service.

Theres been punts were shes been friendly, but didnt do all the advertised service or I just wasnt attracted to her, or she seemed a bit stuck up but still did the advertised services but I dont class them as bad.

I base my punts based on what I can see in their profile and from feedback on FRs. But that still is no guarantee that Im not going to get a bad one. In fact my last 3 bad punts (and Ive only had 3 in the last year) have been where she had loads of glowing FRs, some even stating exactly what services she was comfortable with. But then she didnt and had a bad attitude to boot. No warning signs there.

Obviously when I looking for an escort the first thing I notice is going to be her profile photo (its going to catch my eye), then her services. Then have a scan around for feedback and FRs.

Sometimes Ive taken a punt on a new girl with no feedback and no confirmation on service. Thankfully Ive been lucky that they havent been bad. Sometimes she didnt do the all the advertised services but they've all been friendly and Ive had a good time.

Think thats why they call it punting. :)

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