Sarah Summers

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Okay, so you make an appointment to see a lady, and you arrive complete with envelope in hand, pass it over and she removes said wonga from envelope, counts it and then gets the pen out... scribes it across the notes, deems them to be kosher, and then you begin................

How many guys seriously go along with that, how many guys pay at the end anyway, and how many guys would not return if the lady behaved in such a 'mercenary' manner (because lets face it we are mercenary :) and how many ladies SERIOUSLY do all of this?

Honest answers please..........

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Had it counted in front of me plenty of times and it doesn't bother me. Once I forgot to hand it over and we had a really vigorous workout. I only remembered as I was leaving. It would have been very easy to have legged it but I just couldn't. (too knackered!)

With ladies I have seen before, I usually put the envelope on one side and she can count it, or not.

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I dont do the envelope thing. I usually fan the notes out in £20s so they are visible when passing them over, she can double check if she wishes and I totally dont mind. For longer bookings as in overnights I tend to opt for £50 notes in a similar fashion.

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I will normally pass the cash over at the end of the session but if she wants to see the wonga upfront and starts to count, that's fine with me.

She has every right to check.

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here's the thing you see........ on HERE where the punter appears to have respect for the lady you will expect to get answers like these.

In reality when I see men who nine times out of ten have never even heard of PN ....... they pay me at the end.

I do not ask for the money 'upfront', and if they offer it, or hand me an envelope as they come in I take it fom them and place it on a shelf.

I do not check it because to me - it is rude *shoot me now I'm ready girls*.. If I did all of the ABOVE I doubt if the punter would return and that is my honest feeling.

In nine years of working, I have only been duped once buy a guy who 'did the rounds' in Leeds and handed me some duff notes.

I did what everyone else does, and handed them over to someone else. They were all handed BACK to me at the bank which I found to be surprising since I thought they would have confiscated it :( ...

Then there have been an odd couple of times when a ten pound note has been substituted for a twenty but one one of the occasions the guy paid me the difference next time - an honest mistake.

I tend to place my trust in folks, and find it works (with the analogy that if I am honest and not ripping anyone off then neither will they do that to me) There has to be trust or what would be the whole point?

The only place I have been let down is actually by people talking about me, sending nasty emails and the like (third party stuff) but not by 'the punter' whilst in a punting situation.

I also think that if I was to be on my guard every time someone paid me, I would be even more doolally than I am now.

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My regulars normally ask for the money at the end and I'll count it myself in front of her but it's never checked.

I've noticed that for a significant proportion of ladies that I see for the first time, they won't ask for the money until the end which is slightly surprising. This seems to apply to indies who generally seem to be more relaxed about the money side compared to their parlour counterparts. Or, I just have a very honest face. :) I even once had an indie ask me afterwards how much I should be paying!

I don't mind them counting but I've never had anyone use a pen or light to check they are not fake. I guess that this industry attracts some less than savoury or trustworthy clients so it's within the WG's rights to use whatever checks she deems necessary.

I definitely don't bother with envelopes any more...

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here's the thing you see........ on HERE where the punter appears to have respect for the lady you will expect to get answers like these.

In reality when I see men who nine times out of ten have never even heard of PN ....... they pay me at the end.

I do not ask for the money 'upfront', and if they offer it, or hand me an envelope as they come in I take it fom them and place it on a shelf.

I do not check it because to me - it is rude *shoot me now I'm ready girls*.. If I did all of the ABOVE I doubt if the punter would return and that is my honest feeling.

In nine years of working, I have only been duped once buy a guy who 'did the rounds' in Leeds and handed me some duff notes.

I did what everyone else does, and handed them over to someone else. They were all handed BACK to me at the bank which I found to be surprising since I thought they would have confiscated it :( ...

Then there have been an odd couple of times when a ten pound note has been substituted for a twenty but one one of the occasions the guy paid me the difference next time - an honest mistake.

I tend to place my trust in folks, and find it works (with the analogy that if I am honest and not ripping anyone off then neither will they do that to me) There has to be trust or what would be the whole point?

The only place I have been let down is actually by people talking about me, sending nasty emails and the like (third party stuff) but not by 'the punter' whilst in a punting situation.

I also think that if I was to be on my guard every time someone paid me, I would be even more doolally than I am now.

In my experience most WGs and every EE WG always wants the money upfront and thats been the norm in my punting career. The exception to this is with regulars who dont ask for it but i prefer to give it at the start and ensure its checked and in order so it can be forgotten about and a party i go to where you pay on exit. Cash in hand is my method, i dont mess about with envelopes. I have never seen my notes being checked by a pen but thats what might be going on when a WG goes into another room to stash my cash which often happens.:)

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Only the once have I had the cash counted out, that was my first ever punt and she knew it, so was being the consummate pro about things , which is fair enough.

Since then, if its new person I'm seeing I usually hand over the cash right away, if it's a return visit its usually at the end.

Never been asked for it,one new girl seemed embarrassed when I handed the envelope over, I said something like 'oh don't want to forget this', to which she replied 'don't be silly, your well known and can be trusted'

Not sure if that's a compliment or the fact that my town has a very small punting circle and the girls love good chatter :)

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I thought rule number one was to get the money upfront?!

I wouldn't relax if I hadn't sorted out the paperwork out first. I usually wait until I have let them in, offered them use of the bathroom and a drink and made some small talk so I hope when I do have to ask it doesn't appear too grabby. In my experience the men often offer it anyway. With long term regs some of them pay after or just leave the cash on the side discreetly and I trust them not to have to count it.

If a girl wrote a post here saying she didn't ask for money upfront and spent an hour with a guy who then just walked out saying he didn't want to pay you'd all be up in arms at her stupidity for not getting the money sorted out first!

And as for being mercenary!!!!! That pissed me off! Would you expect the checkout person in Tesco not to count the money you have given them and just put it in the till assuming it was right?!

EDIT: Just reread OP- Sarah, I get you were being sarcastic about the mercenary part!

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I thought rule number one was to get the money upfront?!

I wouldn't relax if I hadn't sorted out the paperwork out first. I usually wait until I have let them in, offered them use of the bathroom and a drink and made some small talk so I hope when I do have to ask it doesn't appear too grabby. In my experience the men often offer it anyway. With long term regs some of them pay after or just leave the cash on the side discreetly and I trust them not to have to count it.

If a girl wrote a post here saying she didn't ask for money upfront and spent an hour with a guy who then just walked out saying he didn't want to pay you'd all be up in arms at her stupidity for not getting the money sorted out first!

And as for being mercenary!!!!! That pissed me off! Would you expect the checkout person in Tesco not to count the money you have given them and just put it in the till assuming it was right?!

I don't think I would, because that would make me a hypocrite. I'm simply saying the message forums and the real world have little to do with each other, and while it is is good etiquette to hand the money over first, there are an awful lot of ladies who don't ask and wouldn't :)

The mercenary comment had a smiley face attached ELG ......... go back and take a look :)

Just read your edit :)

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I thought rule number one was to get the money upfront?!

I wouldn't relax if I hadn't sorted out the paperwork out first. I usually wait until I have let them in, offered them use of the bathroom and a drink and made some small talk so I hope when I do have to ask it doesn't appear too grabby. In my experience the men often offer it anyway. With long term regs some of them pay after or just leave the cash on the side discreetly and I trust them not to have to count it.

If a girl wrote a post here saying she didn't ask for money upfront and spent an hour with a guy who then just walked out saying he didn't want to pay you'd all be up in arms at her stupidity for not getting the money sorted out first!

And as for being mercenary!!!!! That pissed me off! Would you expect the checkout person in Tesco not to count the money you have given them and just put it in the till assuming it was right?!

In countless punts spanning decades it has been the number one rule with newbies to me in my experience. A small number of WGs havent asked but i gave it and ensured it was checked. Many stash it in another room as a security measure. :)

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Bit extreme to take one of those pens out to check if the notes are real - but it's not mercenary at all to ask for and check the money before things begin.

The odd time I've forgotten to ask upfront, it's played on my mind - likewise with a client saying he kept thinking he must remember to pay me.

Then again, this asking for the money afterwards might have a different merit...

Yesterday I saw a client who I couldn't remember if I'd taken his advance booking during this special offer I was running, or not. So when it came to the money, I mentioned it first - said about the special offer and instead of the normal £120, the special was £100 as I couldn't remember if he knew about it or not. If he really enjoyed what I did he could pay the extra £20 afterwards if he wanted to.

Sure enough, the really lovely chap came downstairs after dressing with the extra £20 in his hand - I liked that, and it amused us both :)

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Bit extreme to take one of those pens out to check if the notes are real - but it's not mercenary at all to ask for and check the money before things begin.

The odd time I've forgotten to ask upfront, it's played on my mind - likewise with a client saying he kept thinking he must remember to pay me.

Then again, this asking for the money afterwards might have a different merit...

Yesterday I saw a client who I couldn't remember if I'd taken his advance booking during this special offer I was running, or not. So when it came to the money, I mentioned it first - said about the special offer and instead of the normal £120, the special was £100 as I couldn't remember if he knew about it or not. If he really enjoyed what I did he could pay the extra £20 afterwards if he wanted to.

Sure enough, the really lovely chap came downstairs after dressing with the extra £20 in his hand - I liked that, and it amused us both :)

I agree with you about the pen thing. I just don't have it in me to do such a thing.. it seems so crass.

I also agree with you about not getting the money up front - it's always nice to get it out of the way - but again, I never ask. Maybe it's just a personality thing, a lack of backbone, or a basic politeness drummed in by my mother :)

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I don't think I would, because that would make me a hypocrite. I'm simply saying the message forums and the real world have little to do with each other, and while it is is good etiquette to hand the money over first, there are an awful lot of ladies who don't ask and wouldn't :)

The mercenary comment had a smiley face attached ELG ......... go back and take a look :)

Just read your edit :)

Silly me for speed reading and assuming you were a bloke!

I guess it's what works for us- I wonder if being in London makes me more cynical of dodgy men who might run away without paying?! They say people are much nicer up north! (sweeping generalisation again!)

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I agree with you about the pen thing. I just don't have it in me to do such a thing.. it seems so crass.

I also agree with you about not getting the money up front - it's always nice to get it out of the way - but again, I never ask. Maybe it's just a personality thing, a lack of backbone, or a basic politeness drummed in by my mother :)

Many of the guys who visit me have never had any kind of sensual massage before, or visited an escort, and I know that straight massage places ask for the money afterwards - so I feel it's my job to educate them the difference when visiting us ladies of pleasure :D

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Many of the guys who visit me have never had any kind of sensual massage before, or visited an escort, and I know that straight massage places ask for the money afterwards - so I feel it's my job to educate them the difference when visiting us ladies of pleasure :D

Yes, yes I agree, and if I see someone new, I always tell them they should pay first, and that it is a polite thing to do. I also tell them that some girls may ask for the payment, and that is fine, so while I do my bit to educate and inform I don't actually practise it.... :(

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Okay, so you make an appointment to see a lady, and you arrive complete with envelope in hand, pass it over and she removes said wonga from envelope, counts it and then gets the pen out... scribes it across the notes, deems them to be kosher, and then you begin................

How many guys seriously go along with that, how many guys pay at the end anyway, and how many guys would not return if the lady behaved in such a 'mercenary' manner (because lets face it we are mercenary :) and how many ladies SERIOUSLY do all of this?

Honest answers please..........

Don't you just hate it when that happens - typed up a lovely long post and it's gone and not saved it to mouse ?

2nd attempt. Never made it common knowledge but as I rarely escort then no harm now (had a feeling if I broadcast it that rightly, or wrongly, I'd be setting myself up to meet umpteen runners). I've never clollected fees until the end of an appointment save in my agency days where taking money upfront was a priority.

I've been extremely lucky in that only paid £10/£20 short on a couple of occasions and a client gave me the wrong pocket of notes. Easily rectified with a phonecall and rather than him returning we arranged to meet the next day and he would pay the difference.

Nothing to do with social niceties of not wanting to appear mercenary, or being too shy to ask if it wasn't forthcoming but for me it has been a psychological decision - A, if I can't trust my judgement in the clients I see to pay me when I'm trusting them with my life and body ... and B, the dynamics of the appointment are I owe the client nothing as he hasn't bought me.

It's stood me in very good stead over the years - clients taken aback when you mention you haven't earned it yet and will collect it at the end of the appointment. Clients suprised you are trusting. Saying that had I had any runners then wouldn't have continued with cash at the end and probably wouldn't have been escorting.

A few months ago a client I'd seen on a few occasions didn't have the fee on him, and my heart did sink thinking 'Is he going to be the one?' All those years of not being ripped off and you do think that one day it will happen. 5mins of stress and he arrived back with my fee - it had fallen out of his pocket and onto the floor of the car. My faith in man still intact.

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Silly me for speed reading and assuming you were a bloke!

I guess it's what works for us- I wonder if being in London makes me more cynical of dodgy men who might run away without paying?! They say people are much nicer up north! (sweeping generalisation again!)

Think you may have a point there. I've only really escorted in Scotland, mainly Aberdeen and have to say when the men ask if they can remove their shoes and permission to touch your leg they seem unlikely to do a runner. :D

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Don't you just hate it when that happens - typed up a lovely long post and it's gone and not saved it to mouse ?

2nd attempt. Never made it common knowledge but as I rarely escort then no harm now (had a feeling if I broadcast it that rightly, or wrongly, I'd be setting myself up to meet umpteen runners). I've never clollected fees until the end of an appointment save in my agency days where taking money upfront was a priority.

I've been extremely lucky in that only paid £10/£20 short on a couple of occasions and a client gave me the wrong pocket of notes. Easily rectified with a phonecall and rather than him returning we arranged to meet the next day and he would pay the difference.

Nothing to do with social niceties of not wanting to appear mercenary, or being too shy to ask if it wasn't forthcoming but for me it has been a psychological decision - A, if I can't trust my judgement in the clients I see to pay me when I'm trusting them with my life and body ... and B, the dynamics of the appointment are I owe the client nothing as he hasn't bought me.

It's stood me in very good stead over the years - clients taken aback when you mention you haven't earned it yet and will collect it at the end of the appointment. Clients suprised you are trusting. Saying that had I had any runners then wouldn't have continued with cash at the end and probably wouldn't have been escorting.

A few months ago a client I'd seen on a few occasions didn't have the fee on him, and my heart did sink thinking 'Is he going to be the one?' All those years of not being ripped off and you do think that one day it will happen. 5mins of stress and he arrived back with my fee - it had fallen out of his pocket and onto the floor of the car. My faith in man still intact.

Thanks for your answer Melanie, I appreciate your honesty and candour. I like your analogy re - haven't earned it yet and will collect it at the end. I believe clients repay your trust in them by forming an opinion on you as an individual and are more likely to return than not to, so it pays dividends to both parties in the end. Of course I hasten to say this is right for everyone, but I do feel it has been and is right for me.

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I remember the first girl I visited, I was so nervous I had the money out almost before I was through the front door! She laughed about it, saying I looked like I was hiding behind it like a school boy with his late homework. These days I see a reg who has always been a bit casual with the money, she has a Buddha statue on her dresser she puts the money under or gets it at the end though she has never actually asked for it.

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I have no problems with whatever the lady wants to do and I could never be embarrassed if she checked the money and tested it to eliminate forgeries.

To be honest I prefer it.

To me punting is just a business transaction and as in the same way as if I was shopping in PC World, I do my research, look at the goods and then pay for them before I get to use them. The shop may test my cash and will certainly process my credit card before I can leave the shop.

When I first started punting it seemed nicer when the lady did not ask for the money or count it on arrival but now I prefer it. To me, there was something that distracted from the meeting to pay after and even more so if the money was then counted.

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Okay, so you make an appointment to see a lady, and you arrive complete with envelope in hand, pass it over and she removes said wonga from envelope, counts it and then gets the pen out... scribes it across the notes, deems them to be kosher, and then you begin................

How many guys seriously go along with that, how many guys pay at the end anyway, and how many guys would not return if the lady behaved in such a 'mercenary' manner (because lets face it we are mercenary :) and how many ladies SERIOUSLY do all of this?

Honest answers please..........

With all escorts/masseuses I see first time I pay upfront.....though with those I see regularly I sometimes forget and pay at the end.

I then ask for additional services and pay for those at the end. The odd asian lass askes for the money for extras there and then first time I see them, and usually relax that afterwards

A degree of trust must exist...though everyone at some point gets scammed.....in every walk of life...

If a lady got out a pen and checked the money...I'd probably laugh and ask her if she was ripped off by some aa-hole recently.....

It works both ways though...in the early years of punting I'd pay for services that simply were not forthcoming.....or cost extra, despite the clear agreement.

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Even with a regular I always offer up the cash immediately I enter her premises. I used to do the envelope thing but don't usually do so now. I don't mind in the least if the money is counted out. Normally I count out the cash as I hand it over. Don't know about the pen thing though - it has never happened to me. I got a surprise a year or so ago. I visited for the first time one of the "Divine" places in M.K., confirmed the amount with the delightful lady I saw who said "You can pay me afterwards if you like". In fact I paid her the money "up front" but the lady's attitude over the money thing meant a lot to me & I had a very enjoyable time. I not only did a very positive P.N. report on the Lady but also communicated by e-mail my pleasure to the agency who, in their turn, wrote me a very pleasant reply. This is one of the reasons why I consider HOD to be the best agency around.

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I generally go with what feels right. Many WGs state money up front so it saves time to have it ready. There's a way of counting it and a way of not. For instance, if you are in an expensive and fairly night club, and buy a magnum say of champagne, the manager or waiter will not stand over you with an expression that suggests you are trying to short change him (even if you are). He will do it as a service to you, as a kindness to make sure you haven't paid the wrong amount accidentally or whatever. I';m not saying he believes all this, but it's the attitude he creates in his head and the vibe you get from him. Same with a WG. The smoothest way is to count it as if it is a momentary inconvenience - the sort of thing you do because that's what you're meant to do. Always quickly and smoothly (as if you count dozens of £100 notes every day). Always in front of the punter. Always with a smile. C'mon - you act the rest of the punt if you have to, what's so hard about acting nice while you count the flippin', cash?? It's an embarrassment thing, and some girls struggle to get over it. If you do, might I suggest you ask a WG friend to show you how she does, with you acting the part of the punter for a minute. It's not tacky if handled right - same as putting on a condom can be done with finesse!

Etiquette is only etiquette if it also seems polite and worthy of civilised society. If you act like the money is the most important part of the job, the punter will see that. You have to put that aside. As long as you ARE getting paid the right amount, there's not exactly a lot to that part is there - ten seconds of bank teller mode. After that you are working on something else - impressing him beyond his wildest dreams or whatever it is that gets you through the day.

Envelopes - I only use them if I feel the WG is of the more traditional sort (whatever that is) and would prefer it. If I do, I use a long envelope and fold the notes so that they can be counted at a glance (although she will probably take them out briefly and count them anyway. Some of my regs I practically have to remind them - they hardly ever count it - but only cos they know it will always be perfect (eg I forgot to add a fiver for CIM once and phoned her and remembered it the next time. months later - I'm as keen to see that the agreed price is kept as she is - I might strike a bargain but my integrity is important).

Most girls like the money left on the table I think. If she's getting a bag of sweeties or fixing herself a drink I'm offering, I'll indicate with a sweep of the hand that the 'business' side is on the table as well. Yes, she will probably count it, yes I will probably watch her, but both of us will do both with concentration and at the same time pretending to be concentrating on something else. That's the game. The thing is, we BOTH want to know that the other person knows it is correct.

I try to give crisp notes, lined up so you can add them quickly. Except for one woman who doesn't like fifties, poor sod. AS to different comments on here - that is not so much (IMHO) that there is a degree of enforced politeness on Punternet, but that the BOARD IS SELF-SELECTING AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME ON HERE TEND TO BE POLITE AND REASONABLY GOOD AT PEOPLE SKILLS. Not always of course. I'm sure there must be the occasional street urchin or unwashed hairybum punter . . .

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Thanks for your answer Melanie, I appreciate your honesty and candour. I like your analogy re - haven't earned it yet and will collect it at the end. I believe clients repay your trust in them by forming an opinion on you as an individual and are more likely to return than not to, so it pays dividends to both parties in the end. Of course I hasten to say this is right for everyone, but I do feel it has been and is right for me.

I have been extremely fortunate in meeting some amazing gents and with some we still keep in contact years after seeing each other. If something is working right for you then no need to change it, and something I feel is important is along the SW way, you find what makes you happiest and most comfortable and go along with it. If it doesn't work just change it to suit. :D

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