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Breaking Taboos

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I wrote most of this as a response to another topic, but I would be interested to know other people's opinions, male and female, so I have repeated it on a different thread. I was writing originally about the desire some men have (myself included) for happy endings, or more, from 'legitimate' masseuses. In other words, groping and getting wanked off by therapists who operate in the mainstream, non punting world, and who are not known for obliging their male customers with anything sexual at all. However, the post soon broadened into a more general muse upon what I find most turns me on.

To me, getting sexual favours, especially for money, from such women is a challenge, and the closest you come to seduction in the punting world. It is the excitement of turning a good girl bad, corrupting her, and turning her to the dark side. I appreciate it makes much more sense to go to a masseuse who openly admits to giving happy endings and is okay with wandering hands, and if I want an easy, guaranteed handjob, blowjob or fuck, then I will go to a sure thing.

However, sex is rarely about good sense. I find breaking taboos massively boosts the excitement of sex. Persuading a professional woman to do something unethical, and to accept money for doing it, is a big turn on. It is the same thrill I get when I fuck a married woman. It is more exciting than fucking a single, available woman, because of the taboo she is breaking. It is one of the reasons I cheat myself, the others being greed and a love of endless sexual variety. I also like paying for sex as much for how 'bad' it is, as for the convenience and ease with which it allows me to have plentiful sex with multiple women.

There is a sort of sliding scale of horniness for me when it comes to sex, based on taboo breaking. It is more exciting to cheat than have sex where both parties are available (unless you are falling in love, which has its own thrill). It is more exciting to seduce a married woman than a single one. It is more exciting if she is married, rather than just a girlfriend. It is better to be the one to lead her away from the straight and narrow, rather than simply one of many. It is wonderful to see the look of guilt in her eyes as you enter her, knowing that she feels bad and yet wants this as much as you do. It is more exciting to fuck her in her own marital bed than somewhere safe, or take her to the bed you share with your significant other, just as sex somewhere public where you might get caught is a greater rush than fucking somewhere very private.

When it comes to masseuses, the more legitimate she is, the more ethical and mainstream the establishment, the more there is at stake for her to do extras, and the less she has done anything like this, the greater the satisfaction I feel when she takes me in hand, or lets me touch her, or finally lets me see her tits and suck them.

This is my stuff sexual fantasies, and fantasies are rarely noted for their sense, or their morals.

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I wrote most of this as a response to another topic, but I would be interested to know other people's opinions, male and female, so I have repeated it on a different thread. I was writing originally about the desire some men have (myself included) for happy endings, or more, from 'legitimate' masseuses. In other words, groping and getting wanked off by therapists who operate in the mainstream, non punting world, and who are not known for obliging their male customers with anything sexual at all. However, the post soon broadened into a more general muse upon what I find most turns me on.

To me, getting sexual favours, especially for money, from such women is a challenge, and the closest you come to seduction in the punting world. It is the excitement of turning a good girl bad, corrupting her, and turning her to the dark side. I appreciate it makes much more sense to go to a masseuse who openly admits to giving happy endings and is okay with wandering hands, and if I want an easy, guaranteed handjob, blowjob or fuck, then I will go to a sure thing.

However, sex is rarely about good sense. I find breaking taboos massively boosts the excitement of sex. Persuading a professional woman to do something unethical, and to accept money for doing it, is a big turn on. It is the same thrill I get when I fuck a married woman. It is more exciting than fucking a single, available woman, because of the taboo she is breaking. It is one of the reasons I cheat myself, the others being greed and a love of endless sexual variety. I also like paying for sex as much for how 'bad' it is, as for the convenience and ease with which it allows me to have plentiful sex with multiple women.

There is a sort of sliding scale of horniness for me when it comes to sex, based on taboo breaking. It is more exciting to cheat than have sex where both parties are available (unless you are falling in love, which has its own thrill). It is more exciting to seduce a married woman than a single one. It is more exciting if she is married, rather than just a girlfriend. It is better to be the one to lead her away from the straight and narrow, rather than simply one of many. It is wonderful to see the look of guilt in her eyes as you enter her, knowing that she feels bad and yet wants this as much as you do. It is more exciting to fuck her in her own marital bed than somewhere safe, or take her to the bed you share with your significant other, just as sex somewhere public where you might get caught is a greater rush than fucking somewhere very private.

When it comes to masseuses, the more legitimate she is, the more ethical and mainstream the establishment, the more there is at stake for her to do extras, and the less she has done anything like this, the greater the satisfaction I feel when she takes me in hand, or lets me touch her, or finally lets me see her tits and suck them.

This is my stuff sexual fantasies, and fantasies are rarely noted for their sense, or their morals.

I punt because its a guaranteed sure thing assuming the WGs is honest, i have absolutely no interest in persuading a WG to offer something she doesnt advertise. If she offers something at the punt not advertised that interests me i am more than happy to accept it.

I personally think its out of order to try to persuade a legitimate masseuse to do anything other than what she advertises she offers. I have zero interest in masseuses myself but have seen pyschotherapists for my back using my private medical insurance and have never even thought about wanting them to do anything sexual to me or me them.

I get my sexual kicks from punting with an unending variety of different WGs, that is more then sufficient for my needs along with the love a relationship brings.

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I appreciate the excitement factor of breaking taboos, but at the same time I don't want that guilt on my conscience. Despite how open we are on PN, this is often a road of no (or very difficult) return for the girls. Most of us on here seem to be decent guys who show respect and know our boundaries but this snapshot is far from representative of the real world. If a woman has consciously and independently made a decision to become a WG and I visit her then, to me at least, it is easier on my conscience as I can 'commercialise' it. I simply would not offer money to 'break' any woman into selling her body.

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I punt because its a guaranteed sure thing assuming the WGs is honest, i have absolutely no interest in persuading a WG to offer something she doesnt advertise. If she offers something at the punt not advertised that interests me i am more than happy to accept it.

I personally think its out of order to try to persuade a legitimate masseuse to do anything other than what she advertises she offers. I have zero interest in masseuses myself but have seen pyschotherapists for my back using my private medical insurance and have never even thought about wanting them to do anything sexual to me or me them.

I get my sexual kicks from punting with an unending variety of different WGs, that is more then sufficient for my needs along with the love a relationship brings.

Smiths -should be physiotherapy rather than psychotherapist for your back:-)

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Smiths -should be physiotherapy rather than psychotherapist for your back:-)

Cheers, not had the other yet. :D

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I've no interest in 'turning' legitimate masseuses, who I do see fairly regularly, along with the others. But I often get erections when they're massaging me, and I do enjoy the display (it's in a way even more exciting to be displaying your erection to someone in a non-sexual context, which, I suppose, makes me sound like an incipient flasher). As far as I can see, it is absolutely no problem for them at all, as long as they don't feel they're being pressured to do something about it.

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I wrote most of this as a response to another topic, but I would be interested to know other people's opinions, male and female, so I have repeated it on a different thread. I was writing originally about the desire some men have (myself included) for happy endings, or more, from 'legitimate' masseuses. In other words, groping and getting wanked off by therapists who operate in the mainstream, non punting world, and who are not known for obliging their male customers with anything sexual at all. However, the post soon broadened into a more general muse upon what I find most turns me on.

To me, getting sexual favours, especially for money, from such women is a challenge, and the closest you come to seduction in the punting world. It is the excitement of turning a good girl bad, corrupting her, and turning her to the dark side. I appreciate it makes much more sense to go to a masseuse who openly admits to giving happy endings and is okay with wandering hands, and if I want an easy, guaranteed handjob, blowjob or fuck, then I will go to a sure thing.

However, sex is rarely about good sense. I find breaking taboos massively boosts the excitement of sex. Persuading a professional woman to do something unethical, and to accept money for doing it, is a big turn on. It is the same thrill I get when I fuck a married woman. It is more exciting than fucking a single, available woman, because of the taboo she is breaking. It is one of the reasons I cheat myself, the others being greed and a love of endless sexual variety. I also like paying for sex as much for how 'bad' it is, as for the convenience and ease with which it allows me to have plentiful sex with multiple women.

There is a sort of sliding scale of horniness for me when it comes to sex, based on taboo breaking. It is more exciting to cheat than have sex where both parties are available (unless you are falling in love, which has its own thrill). It is more exciting to seduce a married woman than a single one. It is more exciting if she is married, rather than just a girlfriend. It is better to be the one to lead her away from the straight and narrow, rather than simply one of many. It is wonderful to see the look of guilt in her eyes as you enter her, knowing that she feels bad and yet wants this as much as you do. It is more exciting to fuck her in her own marital bed than somewhere safe, or take her to the bed you share with your significant other, just as sex somewhere public where you might get caught is a greater rush than fucking somewhere very private.

When it comes to masseuses, the more legitimate she is, the more ethical and mainstream the establishment, the more there is at stake for her to do extras, and the less she has done anything like this, the greater the satisfaction I feel when she takes me in hand, or lets me touch her, or finally lets me see her tits and suck them.

This is my stuff sexual fantasies, and fantasies are rarely noted for their sense, or their morals.

Nah !

Does nothing for me......the whole will she/wont she thing attached to a lot of those 'Chinese Health/Medical Centers' in London does nothing more than irritate me

I see escorts/wgs because in those situations it (mostly) does what it says on the tin

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Hmm, I understand the thrill of having someone who is married or doing something they shouldn't in a professional capacity but the way you talk about persuading her and how you like the look of guilt in her eyes makes me find you a bit creepy and predatory. I don't think this is about breaking taboos but about your desire to control and manipulate women who you have no respect for.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Hmm, I understand the thrill of having someone who is married or doing something they shouldn't in a professional capacity but the way you talk about persuading her and how you like the look of guilt in her eyes makes me find you a bit creepy and predatory. I don't think this is about breaking taboos but about your desire to control and manipulate women who you have no respect for.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong in my motivation, though obviously how you interpret such desires is entirely your affair. I would say that both sexes do it fairly evenly I think, the predatory female being just as real and 'manipulative' as her male counterpart, even if her motivations may differ at times.

I have respect for the women who are cheating, as much as I do for myself when I cheat. What is exciting is her being so turned on that she cannot stop herself. It is the fact she is contravening her own rules which makes it exciting, her desire for sex overcoming those ethical barriers. Those women who are in open relationships and who swing will not feel the same, because they are not breaking any self imposed code of behaviour.

All these sexual taboos I have mentioned are rather unnatural, in that they go against what is a more basic biological imperative for both sexes to have more than one sexual partner (I have absolutely no desire to go into areas like under age sex etc). However, there are social and legal reasons behind them, which may legitimise them to a certain extent. But the fact remains that the more something is banned or shunned, the more sexually charged doing it is, and the greater the excitement. This is why so many sexual fantasies have some sort of forbidden element to them.

The moral question is rather different, though we are talking about seduction here, not rape. However, cheating is cheating, and I won't try to justify it beyond the pleasure it brings. If the woman doesn't want to be where she is, and doing what she is doing, then it immediately stops being fun for me, and that certainly includes working girls who are upfront about their services but who do not like their jobs. I get no pleasure where there is none in return and it is why I can never see the pleasure in coercion and force. That is one of the ironies of paying for sex, I want the woman I am paying to enjoy it too.

For me sex is all about temptation, and as Oscar Wilde said, 'I can resist anything but temptation'.

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Nah !

Does nothing for me......the whole will she/wont she thing attached to a lot of those 'Chinese Health/Medical Centers' in London does nothing more than irritate me

I see escorts/wgs because in those situations it (mostly) does what it says on the tin

I agree - it all sounds so tedious to me. I haven't got the time to faff about like that, I want to get exactly what I asked and paid for.

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You are wrong in my motivation, though obviously how you interpret such desires is entirely your affair. I would say that both sexes do it fairly evenly I think, the predatory female being just as real and 'manipulative' as her male counterpart, even if her motivations may differ at times.

I have respect for the women who are cheating, as much as I do for myself when I cheat. What is exciting is her being so turned on that she cannot stop herself. It is the fact she is contravening her own rules which makes it exciting, her desire for sex overcoming those ethical barriers. Those women who are in open relationships and who swing will not feel the same, because they are not breaking any self imposed code of behaviour.

All these sexual taboos I have mentioned are rather unnatural, in that they go against what is a more basic biological imperative for both sexes to have more than one sexual partner (I have absolutely no desire to go into areas like under age sex etc). However, there are social and legal reasons behind them, which may legitimise them to a certain extent. But the fact remains that the more something is banned or shunned, the more sexually charged doing it is, and the greater the excitement. This is why so many sexual fantasies have some sort of forbidden element to them.

The moral question is rather different, though we are talking about seduction here, not rape. However, cheating is cheating, and I won't try to justify it beyond the pleasure it brings. If the woman doesn't want to be where she is, and doing what she is doing, then it immediately stops being fun for me, and that certainly includes working girls who are upfront about their services but who do not like their jobs. I get no pleasure where there is none in return and it is why I can never see the pleasure in coercion and force. That is one of the ironies of paying for sex, I want the woman I am paying to enjoy it too.

For me sex is all about temptation, and as Oscar Wilde said, 'I can resist anything but temptation'.

OK, that sounds better! Your first post came across to me as a little cold hearted and that you had no thought about the women involved. Yes, I understand the naughtiness of doing something 'wrong' and do personally enjoy that feeling of excitement when you know it's wrong but just desperately want to have sex (or whatever) so yes I get that.

Interestingly you mention open relationships- I've probably been in one too long to remember the thrill of cheating on someone! And as for the married man thing- been a WG for too long to let that make any difference to me! I guess I get my kicks from other taboos!

Incidentally, if the woman expresses guilt after the event does that make you feel bad or does that enhance the experience?

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OK, that sounds better! Your first post came across to me as a little cold hearted and that you had no thought about the women involved. Yes, I understand the naughtiness of doing something 'wrong' and do personally enjoy that feeling of excitement when you know it's wrong but just desperately want to have sex (or whatever) so yes I get that.

Interestingly you mention open relationships- I've probably been in one too long to remember the thrill of cheating on someone! And as for the married man thing- been a WG for too long to let that make any difference to me! I guess I get my kicks from other taboos!

Incidentally, if the woman expresses guilt after the event does that make you feel bad or does that enhance the experience?

That would depend on the level of guilt. If she is only a little bit guilty then it would possibly enhance it, though in reality it is more about the guilt at the time, the dilemma in her head, of will I, won't I...I shouldn't be doing this...please don't stop. It isn't about making anyone feel bad, just giving her the feeling of, this is so wrong...I never meant this to happen...when can we do it again?

If she felt really guilty and it made her feel low or depressed then it would remove all the fun and I would feel guilty myself. Oddly enough, I have found in my experience this rarely happens that much, as long as the woman was really turned on and was swept along with the rush of emotion and hormones she felt at the time, and if the sex was good!

She may feel some regret afterwards, but rarely appalling guilt. If she wasn't ready for it to some degree then it would never have happened. This isn't date rape. You can't seduce someone who has absolutely no interest in being seduced, even if that desire is deeply repressed, unless you get her drunk or stoned perhaps. Just as you can't 'turn' a masseuse who is absolutely resolute in remaining professional. Seduction is a dangerous, insidious voice in your head, whispering sweet nothings and promising you exquisite pleasure, if only you will only do what you know is wrong, but secretly think about doing anyway.

Obviously some women will want to make cheating a one off, or see it as a fling which has to end, which is how it should be, when things are not open and above board. For me, cheating isn't about having long term affairs, which are essentially a substitute for a romantic relationship. What I want her to feel is the delicious thrill of naughtiness from doing something she knows to be wrong, but still can't stop herself from doing.

To a degree I envy how simple your life must be, how open and honest. Part of me wants to be able to take my girlfriend to sex parties and watch her with other men as she watches me with other women. I would love to be able to share this with her. Yet, at the same time, I like the thrill of the covert nature of cheating, the badness of it. Unfortunately, those two are totally irreconcilable.

But then sex never was too reasonable either.

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That would depend on the level of guilt. If she is only a little bit guilty then it would possibly enhance it, though in reality it is more about the guilt at the time, the dilemma in her head, of will I, won't I...I shouldn't be doing this...please don't stop. It isn't about making anyone feel bad, just giving her the feeling of, this is so wrong...I never meant this to happen...when can we do it again?

If she felt really guilty and it made her feel low or depressed then it would remove all the fun and I would feel guilty myself. Oddly enough, I have found in my experience this rarely happens that much, as long as the woman was really turned on and was swept along with the rush of emotion and hormones she felt at the time, and if the sex was good!

She may feel some regret afterwards, but rarely appalling guilt. If she wasn't ready for it to some degree then it would never have happened. This isn't date rape. You can't seduce someone who has absolutely no interest in being seduced, even if that desire is deeply repressed, unless you get her drunk or stoned perhaps. Just as you can't 'turn' a masseuse who is absolutely resolute in remaining professional. Seduction is a dangerous, insidious voice in your head, whispering sweet nothings and promising you exquisite pleasure, if only you will only do what you know is wrong, but secretly think about doing anyway.

Obviously some women will want to make cheating a one off, or see it as a fling which has to end, which is how it should be, when things are not open and above board. For me, cheating isn't about having long term affairs, which are essentially a substitute for a romantic relationship. What I want her to feel is the delicious thrill of naughtiness from doing something she knows to be wrong, but still can't stop herself from doing.

To a degree I envy how simple your life must be, how open and honest. Part of me wants to be able to take my girlfriend to sex parties and watch her with other men as she watches me with other women. I would love to be able to share this with her. Yet, at the same time, I like the thrill of the covert nature of cheating, the badness of it. Unfortunately, those two are totally irreconcilable.

But then sex never was too reasonable either.

Thanks for that really full answer- you don't sound such a creep now! ;)

Oh in some ways my sex life is simple (Trust me, the rest of it isn't!), it's a revelation having an open relationship and I never thought I'd enjoy watching or being watched by the one I love but it taken some getting there, with much discussion and trial and error! We have our rules and boundaries though so tend to break taboos together!

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Thanks for that really full answer- you don't sound such a creep now! ;)

Oh in some ways my sex life is simple (Trust me, the rest of it isn't!), it's a revelation having an open relationship and I never thought I'd enjoy watching or being watched by the one I love but it taken some getting there, with much discussion and trial and error! We have our rules and boundaries though so tend to break taboos together!

Happy you don't shun me with a cross and garlic now!

Your sex life generates so many questions in my head that I will have to start a new thread lol.

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He does sound like a creep, one that justifies himself to the point he believes it.

Meeting a fancyable married woman, and escort with her list of enjoys and a masseuse who just aims to massage you.... knowing for the thrill of it he sets out to push their boundaries, giving them no warning of such - is a player pure and simple, and a creep.

I wouldn't care to listen to the conversation of how he persuaded those ladies who thought...

"the guilt at the time, the dilemma in her head, of will I, won't I...I shouldn't be doing this...please don't stop. It isn't about making anyone feel bad, just giving her the feeling of, this is so wrong...I never meant this to happen...when can we do it again?"

Heat of the moment I truly love (not in my work), but most women have experienced getting whipped up in the moment by a player. This man has an unfair advantage of not having to go thru any guilt thoughts to proceed, as he's used to it. He knows the words to progress the situation.

Crikey it's like a fella who's got great lines for bedding the girls

Make me wrong.

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As if I needed to back up my post, I've since found the previous post that got the OP going - taken from the DIY during a massage thread. However in my opinion what he speaks of isn't in my understanding of breaking any taboos.

I love to wank and cum in front of a professional therapist. The fact that I am doing it myself seems to emphasise both her professional status and the 'gross' sexual nature of the act. The exhibitionist in me is satisfied and it always feels that I have crossed boundaries, broken taboos, or that she was dipped a cautious toe into unethical practices. The 'corrupting' element of sex is always a huge turn on for me.

Many women do enjoy watching a bloke wank and spunk, even if they don't want to assist, due either to monogamy or industry standards. Also, it is often the tentative first step a masseuse takes on the road to the 'dark side'!

Pity I never spotted this post at the time, my thoughts were on a different angle of the thread. Interesting how several other posters were keen to keep within a ladies boundaries and none cared to expand on the OP's views. The very ones discouraged not only in the Sensual Masssage section, but any section.

Reacting to the OP over. Point proved.

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He does sound like a creep, one that justifies himself to the point he believes it.

Meeting a fancyable married woman, and escort with her list of enjoys and a masseuse who just aims to massage you.... knowing for the thrill of it he sets out to push their boundaries, giving them no warning of such - is a player pure and simple, and a creep.

I wouldn't care to listen to the conversation of how he persuaded those ladies who thought...

Heat of the moment I truly love (not in my work), but most women have experienced getting whipped up in the moment by a player. This man has an unfair advantage of not having to go thru any guilt thoughts to proceed, as he's used to it. He knows the words to progress the situation.

Crikey it's like a fella who's got great lines for bedding the girls

Make me wrong.

Wow, why the venom? Someone get your knickers in a twist? To be honest I'm not sure quite what you are saying, much of it is so oddly phrased, or what has made you so angry. If I am a 'player' then so be it. There are worse crimes in the annals and I'm sure I'll sleep just fine tonight.

Whatever, or whoever, has rattled your cage, ranting at me won't make things better. You may not like what I say, do, or think, but I have the honesty to acknowledge what turns me on, and to explore that, and look at the morality, or immorality, of what I do squarely in the face. I do not pretend to be better than I am, but there are plenty worse.

It may not be what you want to hear, but let me remind you that out in the 'real' world, outside the safe confines of Punternet, we are all whores and mongers, despicable creeps and dirty skags, or pimped victims. You are hardly in a position to take any moral high ground, unless I am mistaken and you offer no sexual services to men at all, or do and screen for any who might be married or in a relationship.

Is that the case? If so, why are you on Punternet? This is a forum for men who pay for sex and the women who sell it.

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Breaking taboos among two consenting adults is perfectly fine. Personally, I feel a debate on the morals of cheating is futile on such a forum.

Having a fantasy about masturbating in the presence of someone like a professional masseuse who clearly does not offer a sexual service is one thing but actually doing it is another story. The latter in fact represents an illegal activity if you do not have explicit consent. This isn’t just breaking a taboo but actually breaking the law in the form of criminal indecent exposure or may even be seen as a form of sexual abuse/assault. This is not about being a libertine or living in the ‘real’ world but about seriously breaching the rights to not endure sexual harassment and abuse by someone that does not clearly offer a sexual service.

Maybe it is some warped sense of entitlement to sexual gratification or overblown ego of not actually wanting to book someone who clearly offers a sexual service but rather try to elicit this from a ‘civilian’. But trying to overstep boundaries and pushing someone into sexual services who has not clearly indicated that they are happy to do so, is not merely predatory, it is totally anti social and abusive. While I am happy to offer sexual services, I would totally support and understand any woman who has encountered this kind of behaviour such as masturbating and trying to solicit sexual services from a professional ethical masseuse to report this person to the police. What is the next level to breaking taboos, convincing a woman to have sex even if she does not want it and pushing till you get it, consent given or not...?

And before the OP or anyone else tries to insinuate that I am bitter or also having my knickers in a twist. Far from it, I am in a serene and happy mood. Instead, I am genuinely shocked by the total lack of basic decency and total absence of self awareness not to mention basic manners. Even worse is the casualness with which the OP describes an ongoing form of sexual harassment. This is not about morality or immorality but violating the rights of other people and objection them to sexual abuse. I am pleased that there are some decent guys on here who feel this to be out of order too. And yes, this is Punternet, a place for those who like to pay for sexual services and those who willingly offer them. Not a place to discuss your fantasies about sexually harassing women and/or describing about actually going through with it.

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Breaking taboos among two consenting adults is perfectly fine. Personally, I feel a debate on the morals of cheating is futile on such a forum.

Having a fantasy about masturbating in the presence of someone like a professional masseuse who clearly does not offer a sexual service is one thing but actually doing it is another story. The latter in fact represents an illegal activity if you do not have explicit consent. This isn’t just breaking a taboo but actually breaking the law in the form of criminal indecent exposure or may even be seen as a form of sexual abuse/assault. This is not about being a libertine or living in the ‘real’ world but about seriously breaching the rights to not endure sexual harassment and abuse by someone that does not clearly offer a sexual service.

Maybe it is some warped sense of entitlement to sexual gratification or overblown ego of not actually wanting to book someone who clearly offers a sexual service but rather try to elicit this from a ‘civilian’. But trying to overstep boundaries and pushing someone into sexual services who has not clearly indicated that they are happy to do so, is not merely predatory, it is totally anti social and abusive. While I am happy to offer sexual services, I would totally support and understand any woman who has encountered this kind of behaviour such as masturbating and trying to solicit sexual services from a professional ethical masseuse to report this person to the police. What is the next level to breaking taboos, convincing a woman to have sex even if she does not want it and pushing till you get it, consent given or not...?

And before the OP or anyone else tries to insinuate that I am bitter or also having my knickers in a twist. Far from it, I am in a serene and happy mood. Instead, I am genuinely shocked by the total lack of basic decency and total absence of self awareness not to mention basic manners. Even worse is the casualness with which the OP describes an ongoing form of sexual harassment. This is not about morality or immorality but violating the rights of other people and objection them to sexual abuse. I am pleased that there are some decent guys on here who feel this to be out of order too. And yes, this is Punternet, a place for those who like to pay for sexual services and those who willingly offer them. Not a place to discuss your fantasies about sexually harassing women and/or describing about actually going through with it.

I wandererd when you would jump on board.

What on earth makes you imagine that I don't have consent to do this? Do you really imagine I pull out my cock and whack off willy nilly? Do you honestly think I am that stupid?

What I was talking about was seduction. Seducing means that you gain someone's trust and consent, even if their 'better' self tells them that they shouldn't be doing this. It is women breaking their taboos which I find exciting, not me breaking mine. They have to want it for me to want it. I made that clear in my posts, but you have chosen to ignore that.

You cannot seduce someone who does not want to be seduced. The consent is often non verbal and subtle but it is always there. Try kissing a girl in a nightclub without it. Try touching her. Try taking her to bed. She may not say, 'please kiss me, touch me, or fuck me' etc. In fact she almost certainly won't. And asking 'may I kiss you etc.' is a clumsy way to get a girl into bed.

But be very sure of this, before you make any more vile accusations of sexual abuse, I have these women's consent to do what I do. And sometimes that actually does involve asking directly if it is alright to wank in front of a masseuse.

If you cannot tell the difference between seduction and rape then I suggest you learn it.

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I wandererd when you would jump on board.

What on earth makes you imagine that I don't have consent to do this? Do you really imagine I pull out my cock and whack off willy nilly? Do you honestly think I am that stupid?

What I was talking about was seduction. Seducing means that you gain someone's trust and consent, even if their 'better' self tells them that they shouldn't be doing this. It is women breaking their taboos which I find exciting, not me breaking mine. They have to want it for me to want it. I made that clear in my posts, but you have chosen to ignore that.

You cannot seduce someone who does not want to be seduced. The consent is often non verbal and subtle but it is always there. Try kissing a girl in a nightclub without it. Try touching her. Try taking her to bed. She may not say, 'please kiss me, touch me, or fuck me' etc. In fact she almost certainly won't. And asking 'may I kiss you etc.' is a clumsy way to get a girl into bed.

But be very sure of this, before you make any more vile accusations of sexual abuse, I have these women's consent to do what I do. And sometimes that actually does involve asking directly if it is alright to wank in front of a masseuse.

If you cannot tell the difference between seduction and rape then I suggest you learn it.

Your definition of ‘seduction’ may differ from that of the person you are hoping to seduce. Please also consider that even if you believe that you are seeking consent, whether spoken or unspoken. That alone in the context of visiting a professional masseuse offering a clearly defined non sexual service, itself can feel like sexual harassment.

Like most women, I can tell the difference between seduction and rape. Sadly, a lot of guys hoping to break taboos do not always read the ‘tacit’ signals right. Please consider the feelings of those women before plumping yourself up with self righteous indignation. The only thing entirely unsavoury on this thread is your sense of absolute entitlement in the name of seduction and pursuit of pleasure as you clearly fail to recognise that you are overstepping boundaries of another human being. Who knows if that lady was happy you exposing yourself and masturbating in front of her. Asking them is still putting them on the spot, some women rather agree then face an ugly confrontation.

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To follow is a highly gratuitous post (where's that smiley with a naughty look on its face?)

I'd like to apologise to EnglishLondonGirl for not spotting this thread soon enough

Had I done so, perhaps she would have trusted her first instincts and not been talked around by such a charmer

Genuine comment to ELG, tho sure she really needs no help :)

but sorry, couldn't help myself with the irony of Rimalots posts

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Hmm, the thing is with the internet is that we have no idea if anyone is telling the truth or not so whilst I make my own decisions about what I think about people and those thoughts may change ultimately I don't really care enough because people can be who they want to be online.

We don't REALLY know what Rimalot (or anyone on here) is like whatever he tells us. For all we know the whole lot could be fantasy. However taking his comments at face value I think he made it clear he doesn't undertake anything non consensual. I'm sure therapists are trained and professional enough to know how to deal with creepers who come onto them. I'd like to think if a woman made it very clear she absolutely was not interested he would back off. I'm sure he doesn't have a 100% success rate nor does he force himself onto anyone.

I think we all have to take responsibility for our own actions. If a professional therapist was caught by her boss letting a client wank over her an argument of 'Well he charmed me into it' wouldn't stand up very well.

Maybe the guy is a pain in the arse or a bit of a cad who plays women who knows, but I don't think accusations of assault or abuse or suggesting what he does is illegal are very fair.

And Lily, your sentiments are sweet, but as I said I'll make my own mind up! None of us will ever really know if we're wrong or right about this guy. *shrugs*

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Hmm, the thing is with the internet is that we have no idea if anyone is telling the truth or not...

We don't REALLY know what Rimalot (or anyone on here) is like whatever he tells us. For all we know the whole lot could be fantasy. However taking his comments at face value I think he made it clear he doesn't undertake anything non consensual. I'm sure therapists are trained and professional enough to know how to deal with creepers who come onto them. I'd like to think if a woman made it very clear she absolutely was not interested he would back off. I'm sure he doesn't have a 100% success rate nor does he force himself onto anyone...

...Maybe the guy is a pain in the arse or a bit of a cad who plays women who knows, but I don't think accusations of assault or abuse or suggesting what he does is illegal are very fair...

Excellent post if I may say so. Rimalot is as real or as unreal as any of us on here. What he is though is consistent, as anyone who has followed/read his previous postings will know. Credit to you for understanding and responding to what he actually said rather than (?purposely) misunderstanding what he said so you could justifiably have go at him.

In response to his OP and explanatory notes, yes I have done that on occasion and it definitely did add mightily to the thrill. If and when similar opportunities present themselves then I'm sure I will indulge. However in general, it's not a strategy that I actively pursue given the time, money and effort needed to achieve a reasonable success rate. I prefer the low-hanging fruit :)

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Excellent post if I may say so. Rimalot is as real or as unreal as any of us on here. What he is though is consistent, as anyone who has followed/read his previous postings will know. Credit to you for understanding and responding to what he actually said rather than (?purposely) misunderstanding what he said so you could justifiably have go at him.

In response to his OP and explanatory notes, yes I have done that on occasion and it definitely did add mightily to the thrill. If and when similar opportunities present themselves then I'm sure I will indulge. However in general, it's not a strategy that I actively pursue given the time, money and effort needed to achieve a reasonable success rate. I prefer the low-hanging fruit :)

Thats not strictly true regarding us all being real or unreal on here, i personally know a few posters and have met many others and punted with a number of WGs who are members here. So they know i am real and i know they are. Many other posters here have met other posters as well. :)

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That goes without saying Smiths, but in general most of us don't 'know' each other!

Mr Slurpy- thank you, I'm glad I make sense to someone sometimes! :)

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