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This is a question to the WGs, not merely from curiosity - most of us will know anyway - but an articulate WG can probably put it into words well. This could not only benefit beginners (who occasionally seem oblivious about how to handle uncircumcised vs circumcised members) but to men - and I include myself - in finding the most succinct and helpful ways to describe to a woman (WG or non-WG) who is making a hash of it how to do it better.

Your words of wisdom please . . . :D

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(given that I tend to be a bit cr*p at starting threads, I suppose I'd better not hold my breath for answers - but if the question needs phrased better maybe someone will let me know - or improve on it)

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Considering I've recently had an absence of my usual lucidity ;) I can only but give it a go in explaining how to handle circumcised and uncircumcised cocks...

Uncircumcised - The foreskin may expose the helmet as the erection grows, if not, using oil or the like, work the shaft from top to bottom (gently) to see if the helmet comes out. If not, DO NOT pull the foreskin down. If the guy can see you're making an effort to gently expose him, if he knows it's not too easily done he's likely to help. My view, if it don't roll down at max hardness, I ain't gonna make it - and experience has shown me which little holes it ain't ever gonna get thru.

An exposed helmet may be very sensitive as it's not used to getting material rubbed, watch for the reaction to see if that's a good sensitive or too much too soon. Also with a tight foreskin exposing helmet, with max erection this may be quite tight behind the helmet, after orgasm while cock still oily, ease foreskin back over as the erection goes down otherwise it can get painful.

Circumcised - Some guys have no movement of skin on their shaft, others have some. Oil's gotta be used as otherwise, with no other skin movement you'll get friction, and that of course has it's moments, but not when working someone up. The helmet is likely to be less sensitive than an uncircumcised guys as it's always exposed, doesn't necessarily mean the fella likes harder action on it. For ladies, imagine your clit constantly rubbing against your knickers were your hood to be removed, the sensations would wear down over time - YEEEKKK !!

I've noticed that some guys with circumcised cocks have very large sensitive bell ends, not noticed it so much with uncircumcised guys. Don't know why other than foreskin hiding the difference maybe ? Or maybe the extra contact with clothes etc has had an effect ?

I'm quite happy with that - did I miss anything ?

Oh yeah ! There wasn't a tout in sight :)

Oh, oh yeah ! Cept for the fact that I replied :lol:

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What a fantastic, informative reply. Using technical terms like bell-end and helmet surely means you are a true cock connoisseur! :P:D

Considering I've recently had an absence of my usual lucidity ;) I can only but give it a go in explaining how to handle circumcised and uncircumcised cocks...

Uncircumcised - The foreskin may expose the helmet as the erection grows, if not, using oil or the like, work the shaft from top to bottom (gently) to see if the helmet comes out. If not, DO NOT pull the foreskin down. If the guy can see you're making an effort to gently expose him, if he knows it's not too easily done he's likely to help. My view, if it don't roll down at max hardness, I ain't gonna make it - and experience has shown me which little holes it ain't ever gonna get thru.

An exposed helmet may be very sensitive as it's not used to getting material rubbed, watch for the reaction to see if that's a good sensitive or too much too soon. Also with a tight foreskin exposing helmet, with max erection this may be quite tight behind the helmet, after orgasm while cock still oily, ease foreskin back over as the erection goes down otherwise it can get painful.

Circumcised - Some guys have no movement of skin on their shaft, others have some. Oil's gotta be used as otherwise, with no other skin movement you'll get friction, and that of course has it's moments, but not when working someone up. The helmet is likely to be less sensitive than an uncircumcised guys as it's always exposed, doesn't necessarily mean the fella likes harder action on it. For ladies, imagine your clit constantly rubbing against your knickers were your hood to be removed, the sensations would wear down over time - YEEEKKK !!

I've noticed that some guys with circumcised cocks have very large sensitive bell ends, not noticed it so much with uncircumcised guys. Don't know why other than foreskin hiding the difference maybe ? Or maybe the extra contact with clothes etc has had an effect ?

I'm quite happy with that - did I miss anything ?

Oh yeah ! There wasn't a tout in sight :)

Oh, oh yeah ! Cept for the fact that I replied :lol:

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:lol: If you knew me, you'd know how hilarious it is saying I use technical terms - did you read my 'has my computer died' thread ? :lol:

Thanks x

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:lol: If you knew me, you'd know how hilarious it is saying I use technical terms - did you read my 'has my computer died' thread ? :lol:

Thanks x

Yes I did lol ... you sure do crack me up :lol:

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A really good reply from Lilly.

I am uncircumcised and often for visual purpose wish I wasn't.

However, I do read you can lose a lot of sensitivity if you are circumcised, so taking that into account I think I'll stay as I am.

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Best hand job is a blow job.

If it doesnt lead to or just been a blow-job OWO i agree with you.

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Considering I've recently had an absence of my usual lucidity wink.gif I can only but give it a go in explaining how to handle circumcised and uncircumcised cocks...

Uncircumcised - The foreskin may expose the helmet as the erection grows, if not, using oil or the like, work the shaft from top to bottom (gently) to see if the helmet comes out. If not, DO NOT pull the foreskin down. If the guy can see you're making an effort to gently expose him, if he knows it's not too easily done he's likely to help. My view, if it don't roll down at max hardness, I ain't gonna make it - and experience has shown me which little holes it ain't ever gonna get thru.

An exposed helmet may be very sensitive as it's not used to getting material rubbed, watch for the reaction to see if that's a good sensitive or too much too soon. Also with a tight foreskin exposing helmet, with max erection this may be quite tight behind the helmet, after orgasm while cock still oily, ease foreskin back over as the erection goes down otherwise it can get painful.

Circumcised - Some guys have no movement of skin on their shaft, others have some. Oil's gotta be used as otherwise, with no other skin movement you'll get friction, and that of course has it's moments, but not when working someone up. The helmet is likely to be less sensitive than an uncircumcised guys as it's always exposed, doesn't necessarily mean the fella likes harder action on it. For ladies, imagine your clit constantly rubbing against your knickers were your hood to be removed, the sensations would wear down over time - YEEEKKK !!

I've noticed that some guys with circumcised cocks have very large sensitive bell ends, not noticed it so much with uncircumcised guys. Don't know why other than foreskin hiding the difference maybe ? Or maybe the extra contact with clothes etc has had an effect ?

I'm quite happy with that - did I miss anything ?

Oh yeah ! There wasn't a tout in sight smile.gif

Oh, oh yeah ! Cept for the fact that I replied laugh.gif

Would only add one thing to this post.

Un-circumsized

If the foreskin is loose and retracts fully with no discomfort, then, oil is not always needed.

Also I have found with these types of penis, the gents usually (not always) like to have the foreskin brought up and over the head, rather than keeping it down under the bell.

something about the movement up and over the lip with light pressure helps with the momentum.

I do always find asking if it retracts fully before I start playing helps, then there are no awkward moments of does it or doesn't it and no issues surrounding wether I can pull it back or not.

I also find asking a gent to either show me how he likes it done and watching before taking matters into ahem my own hand/s so to speak, can help avoid certain issues, and allows the gent to show the lady just how he likes to be touched, and what motions work for him.

Asking mid motion, if he would like it faster/harder/softer/slower or him telling me is always a plus.

I always start gentle, as you can always apply more pressure later on, you can't un-strangle someone's penis once they have been strangled.

Gent's could possibly try variants on these :

This is what I do to get off...

This is how I like to play with myself...

Girls could try variants on these:

Are you enjoying this?

Would you like me to go faster?

As with all things, both are aware of the invisible lines that we don't want to cross, and don't want to upset either party.

So as embarrassed as you may feel at the time of saying something, neither is a mind reader and both could benifit from the experience if communication is used a bit more.

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I am uncircumcised and often for visual purpose wish I wasn't.

However, I do read you can lose a lot of sensitivity if you are circumcised, so taking that into account I think I'll stay as I am.

From a girl's perspective I really don't think you should worry about it. Looks wise, that extra little bit of skin really has no impact upon me. When you think about it, circumcision (unless needed for medical reasons) is a fairly barbaric practice. How can people justify carrying out a surgical procedure like that upon babies. Very Medieval practice, no?

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From a girl's perspective I really don't think you should worry about it. Looks wise, that extra little bit of skin really has no impact upon me. When you think about it, circumcision (unless needed for medical reasons) is a fairly barbaric practice. How can people justify carrying out a surgical procedure like that upon babies. Very Medieval practice, no?

Obviously on religious grounds as the Jews do. Its very important to them as i know from a couple of Jewish mates who are very liberal but strongly for circumcision. :)

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May be going nuts, but didn't this topic used to be in the Sensual Massage forum ?

Whilst it's a bloody good idea for ladies to know how to touch cock when we earn our living doing so, the deed is quite different when done as part of a massage, posed to part of sexual foreplay. During a massage, the handjob is done to completion, but during foreplay... ? Ok you hear some guys saying after visiting an escort that she 'had' to finish him by hand... but that's not considered with the same relish is it ?

I agree asking what's nicest during foreplay is great, and watching him wank himself to see how he likes it... but that's not normally the way it works during a sensual massage, relying more on the ladies body language reading skills to tell if she's doing it right, instead of interrupting his dreaming. If indeed the lady cares to notice, often (according to enough fellas) she just grabs it and wanks the poor thing to death at the end of the massage for the £20 tip.... and they're the ones who need to be reading this thread :huh:

Do guys find many escorts don't know how to handle their manhood ?

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May be going nuts, but didn't this topic used to be in the Sensual Massage forum ? Whilst it's a bloody good idea for ladies to know how to touch cock when we earn our living doing so, the deed is quite different when done as part of a massage, posed to part of sexual foreplay. During a massage, the handjob is done to completion, but during foreplay... ? Ok you hear some guys saying after visiting an escort that she 'had' to finish him by hand... but that's not considered with the same relish is it ? I agree asking what's nicest during foreplay is great, and watching him wank himself to see how he likes it... but that's not normally the way it works during a sensual massage, relying more on the ladies body language reading skills to tell if she's doing it right, instead of interrupting his dreaming. If indeed the lady cares to notice, often (according to enough fellas) she just grabs it and wanks the poor thing to death at the end of the massage for the £20 tip.... and they're the ones who need to be reading this thread :huh: Do guys find many escorts don't know how to handle their manhood ?

I like it being wanked in a certain way so i wouldnt expect the WG to know this without me explaining it to her. A strong wrist is required for what i enjoy, some havent the strength to keep wanking it vigorously which is fair enough so i either take over and she has a wrist recovering breather ;) or i finish myself off which i like doing sometimes at a punt anyway. :)

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I am also uncircumsised i had a short foreskin which would not cover my helmet but bought a device which stretches the skin and i have now a sensitive helmet.

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From a girl's perspective I really don't think you should worry about it. Looks wise, that extra little bit of skin really has no impact upon me. When you think about it, circumcision (unless needed for medical reasons) is a fairly barbaric practice. How can people justify carrying out a surgical procedure like that upon babies. Very Medieval practice, no?

I guess Kitty it is mainly "the porn look" to be circumcised and that has an impact. I do also think there can be health issues where the foreskin simply won't retract and has to be removed. As for the religious angle, well I'm not getting into that debate, I get into enough trouble round here as it is! :)

Interesting to read the ladies describing they would like (or feel it best) a guy to tell them what they like. The real fun for me (although my experience is limited) is feeling how the lady does do it. I do feel it is important a guy says something if it just isn't working for him, although I do understand some fellas are shy in saying something.

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Some very professional words of wisdom by Lily B. And also yes, there is a difference when done as part of sensual massage perhaps, though knowledge and sensitivity apply to either I would think. Maybe giving verbal instructions/suggestions come with more difficulty during sensual massage - which by it's nature involves greater passivity on the part of the person being massaged.

The only thing I can think of to add to Lilly B's comments is the degree to which a 'fifth sense' plays a part. A woman (or a man) who is emotionally and psychically attuned to the sexual partner will be able to use their skills of any level to much greater effect because of the 'connection' that has been established.

This also applies to ordinary Swedish-style massage. A year or so ago, I was the recipient of a four-hand hot-stone massage. The one lady had already given me a first rate head massage. She had what you would call a very good touch and great sensitivity to the flesh and so on under her fingers. But when it came to the four hands, although her colleague was just as skilled when going through the motions, her touch was abhorrent to me. I suffered in silence for almost 30 minutes and then asked them to swap over.

So although the fast/slow instructions and the like can of course be important, there is sometimes little to be done if the hands are merely connected to a robot. It's hard to ask someone to put a bit more feeling into it. I think this applies to civvy street as much as paid encounters.

But this is taking it beyond my original question (as Lilly B's answers have also kindly anticipated).

Thank you again for your thoughtful suggestions.

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When my foreskin is fully down I find it painful to have my bell end touched. So hand jobs and blow jobs are a difficult issue for me. My perfect hand job would be one in which the FS is fully retracted at the point where ejaculation begins, pulled down strongly until the spurting starts - then push up over the lip and pull down again etc until I'm done. Then - ease the FS back, from below the bell end with whole hand grip and put it back where it started. Not easy to explain that to the provider!

A footnote on circumcision - yes barbaric - can't believe the UK government sanctions religeous mutilation. I have also heard some percentage of guys who have had it done in adulthood lose all sexual sensation.

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I was circumcised about a year ago due to having a tight foreskin and was petrified as I had always loved my extremely sensitive bell end when the foreskin could get back but it only ever got all the way back if I was wanking for a prolonged period of time and stretched it out over time so during sex, that kind of attention was never paid to it so ended up just getting oral etc. with the foreskin covering most of the head and barely feeling anything.

I'd heard the myth that circumcision killed all sensitivity but I've found it's been pretty liberating and feels just as good, if not better. There's so many different sensations from it that I didn't get before. I wouldn't recommend it to a man with a fully functioning foreskin but anyone with a tight foreskin should definitely go for it as it's a lot better. The head is still extremely sensitive when hard and gets more and more sensitive the more it's massaged, sometimes to excruciating levels. I find blowjobs feel a lot better as the girls can work the tip better without any skin getting in the way.

In terms of handjobs, there's still a lot of movement of the skin on the shaft but with a circumcised cock, you have to start with an upstroke. However, some girls seem to want to grab every single bit of skin from my balls upwards and start stroking it with all of that which isn't quite necessary. A bit of lube and a loose stroke is enough to feel great, then once it's soaked in precum or lube, really start working the head and it feels fantastic.

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When my foreskin is fully down I find it painful to have my bell end touched. So hand jobs and blow jobs are a difficult issue for me. My perfect hand job would be one in which the FS is fully retracted at the point where ejaculation begins, pulled down strongly until the spurting starts - then push up over the lip and pull down again etc until I'm done. Then - ease the FS back, from below the bell end with whole hand grip and put it back where it started. Not easy to explain that to the provider!

A footnote on circumcision - yes barbaric - can't believe the UK government sanctions religeous mutilation. I have also heard some percentage of guys who have had it done in adulthood lose all sexual sensation.

The government dont sanction it, they simply havent the powers and probably the will to stop it, certainly within a mainstream and powerful religion like Judaism. Its an important act with the Jewish faith rightly or wrongly. :)

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I was circumcised about a year ago due to having a tight foreskin and was petrified as I had always loved my extremely sensitive bell end when the foreskin could get back but it only ever got all the way back if I was wanking for a prolonged period of time and stretched it out over time so during sex, that kind of attention was never paid to it so ended up just getting oral etc. with the foreskin covering most of the head and barely feeling anything.

I'd heard the myth that circumcision killed all sensitivity but I've found it's been pretty liberating and feels just as good, if not better. There's so many different sensations from it that I didn't get before. I wouldn't recommend it to a man with a fully functioning foreskin but anyone with a tight foreskin should definitely go for it as it's a lot better. The head is still extremely sensitive when hard and gets more and more sensitive the more it's massaged, sometimes to excruciating levels. I find blowjobs feel a lot better as the girls can work the tip better without any skin getting in the way.

In terms of handjobs, there's still a lot of movement of the skin on the shaft but with a circumcised cock, you have to start with an upstroke. However, some girls seem to want to grab every single bit of skin from my balls upwards and start stroking it with all of that which isn't quite necessary. A bit of lube and a loose stroke is enough to feel great, then once it's soaked in precum or lube, really start working the head and it feels fantastic.

Did you try stretching your skin before you got cut? Did a doctor recommend stretching/ getting cut?

My foreskin tightened over a fairly long period and it got to the stage whereby it wouldn't fit over the head except when I'd bathe. I didn't know the process was reversible, I didn't know the first thing about stretching.

After getting very basic advice on the internet I made an effort to try to loosen things up and it worked really well and was very simple. The benefits were almost immediate and over a period of maybe 6 weeks or so the change was pretty incredible.

I later saw an interview with a previously cut guy who'd grown his foreskin back over a period of some years of stretching- I had no idea you could even do that!

If any service providers have regular contact with people who's foreskin is too tight it might be a good idea to talk to them about stretching or advise them to talk with a doctor about it.

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I initially only went to the doctor about it as I got quite persistent thrush and as soon as the urologist looked at it, he recommended circumcision. I asked about alternatives, he said whatever else I do, the thrush will most likely keep coming back and because stretching would damage the tissue, it's only going to make it tighter in the long run.

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I'm circumcised and really wish I wasn't. The lack of sensation as I have got older as become more apparent. Having sexual intercourse wearing a condom unless you are with a skilled lover is almost pointless and handjobs have to be skilled and with a large amount of lubrication. You guys with skins are so lucky. Some wgs have said they prefer my circumcised cock but in reality uncut has to be so much easier for them.

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