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How Is The Massage Business Being Affected By The Cuts.

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How are the ladies out there being affected by the cuts and the present economic climate?

I know the business goes a bit quiet in the summer, but is it getting back to normal now or are clients few and far between and expecting to pay less?

I was looking at the stats on Gumtree and it appeared that some masseuses were receiving far fewer visits to their ads than normal . Is Craigs list now better for advertising? There seem to be hundreds of ads on CL everyday though many of them are from the same advertisers relisting their ads over and over again during the course of the day.

How are the gentlemen affected by the current situation. Are you having fewer massages? Are you very much more price conscious than before?

I wonder what the future is for independant ladies, especially those in London having to pay high rents, if they are getting fewer and fewer customers.

Be interested to hear the opinions & experience of both ladies and gentlemen.

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I can only talk about the Chinese shops in Soho/Chinatown. The girls tell me business is very quiet and that they are earning less than last year.

One shop I regularly use had 3 customers for the day last Wednesday week and one of those did not want a HE so no tip for the girl.

I think it is very much a buyers market and there is no way you should pay more than £20 for a HE, I think you would get away with £15 in the present climate.

I had a 30 minute four handed (£45)yesterday with 2 girls I never met before, they asked me for £30 each tip for HE, we agreed on £15 each. Afterwards I asked them if I came back next week would they do it for £10 each and they readily agreed. If you want to know the place PM me.

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I got HR for £15 at a place I hadn't been before recently. This was after I said I only had £15 when she asked if I wanted 'special massage' and quoted £20. After she saw I wasn't budging from my position for a couple of minutes, she relented and agreed to £15. She claimed it was because she wanted me to come again (pun intended). Anyway, I reckon even £10 would have been accepted if I played it cool. PM me if you want to know the place. Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do and even £10 for 5 minutes work is surely too good a deal to give up in a buyer's market? We should collectively drive down the prices by playing it cool with the assumption we may not get HR, but still get a good sexy massage.

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I got HR for £15 at a place I hadn't been before recently. This was after I said I only had £15 when she asked if I wanted 'special massage' and quoted £20. After she saw I wasn't budging from my position for a couple of minutes, she relented and agreed to £15. She claimed it was because she wanted me to come again (pun intended). Anyway, I reckon even £10 would have been accepted if I played it cool. PM me if you want to know the place. Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do and even £10 for 5 minutes work is surely too good a deal to give up in a buyer's market? We should collectively drive down the prices by playing it cool with the assumption we may not get HR, but still get a good sexy massage.

If it had been me, I would have given you your money back and shown you the door. How insulting. I feel sad that this lady gave you a 'special massage' and that you are bragging that you could have got it for £10. Would you accept this in your own line of work?

In answer to the OP question. I guess it depends on the how good the service is. I had no problems through the summer, my phone was ringing with more clients than I could physically cope with... and all though my work is stopping now, due to personal reasons, I am still receiving calls every day that would keep me in a very good living. I haven't advertised in over three years.

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If it had been me, I would have given you your money back and shown you the door. How insulting. I feel sad that this lady gave you a 'special massage' and that you are bragging that you could have got it for £10. Would you accept this in your own line of work?

Anyone (like myself) involved in sales has to accept people trying to negotiate down prices every single day; if you can't accept that then you're in the wrong job.

However, I'm not one of those that thinks that offering Personal Services is the same as doing a bit of plumbing or whatever.

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Anyone (like myself) involved in sales has to accept people trying to negotiate down prices every single day; if you can't accept that then you're in the wrong job.

However, I'm not one of those that thinks that offering Personal Services is the same as doing a bit of plumbing or whatever.

Vin I understand what you are saying, but this man is bragging and telling everyone else to go do the same to this lady. He is asking people to PM him if they want to know the place.

Personal Services or Massages are not not the same as doing a bit of plumbing. She is in a vulnerable position and this man has taken advantage of that. I pity those whose service he uses.

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Shouldn't this thread be on the massage page, as it isn't really about what most of might call a "full on punt"?

Anyway I agree that the OP looks like he is trying to get people to take advantage of the girl. I don't like it.

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Vin I understand what you are saying, but this man is bragging and telling everyone else to go do the same to this lady. He is asking people to PM him if they want to know the place.

Personal Services or Massages are not not the same as doing a bit of plumbing. She is in a vulnerable position and this man has taken advantage of that. I pity those whose service he uses.

Lack of respect for the lady,i hope we don't ever loose that.

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Shouldn't this thread be on the massage page, as it isn't really about what most of might call a "full on punt"?

Anyway I agree that the OP looks like he is trying to get people to take advantage of the girl. I don't like it.

The thread was started on the Massage page but has been moved to this page by the powers that be.

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The thread was started on the Massage page but has been moved to this page by the powers that be.

OK I didn't realise that. Sorry :(

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Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do ...

How do you know?

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I got HR for £15 at a place I hadn't been before recently. This was after I said I only had £15 when she asked if I wanted 'special massage' and quoted £20. After she saw I wasn't budging from my position for a couple of minutes, she relented and agreed to £15. She claimed it was because she wanted me to come again (pun intended). Anyway, I reckon even £10 would have been accepted if I played it cool. PM me if you want to know the place. Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do and even £10 for 5 minutes work is surely too good a deal to give up in a buyer's market? We should collectively drive down the prices by playing it cool with the assumption we may not get HR, but still get a good sexy massage.

You living in a dream world if you believe punters will all stick together collectively, the biggest hole in this thinking is many punters have never heard of or are not interested in forums such as this and at least some of them wont know other punters so they punt and get massages in isolation and/or ignorance of there being a collective thinking. A poster on here once called for punters to go on strike to show solidarity, how could he know they would do this though, its a forum people can say anything and do the opposite and in most circumstances no one would be the wiser.

On top of that many punters are prepared to pay the prices being charged as they punt within their means selecting WGs within their price range. Where you say desensitised i would say offer a professional and good or better service myself if they are good at being WGs.

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Vin I understand what you are saying, but this man is bragging and telling everyone else to go do the same to this lady. He is asking people to PM him if they want to know the place.

Personal Services or Massages are not not the same as doing a bit of plumbing. She is in a vulnerable position and this man has taken advantage of that. I pity those whose service he uses.

One has the feeling that he could be happy posting, 'found this smackhead, if you can get her when she's hungry for a hit she'll do ......... for........, PM me for details'. Hoorrible attitude.

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I got HR for £15 at a place I hadn't been before recently. This was after I said I only had £15 when she asked if I wanted 'special massage' and quoted £20. After she saw I wasn't budging from my position for a couple of minutes, she relented and agreed to £15. She claimed it was because she wanted me to come again (pun intended). Anyway, I reckon even £10 would have been accepted if I played it cool. PM me if you want to know the place. Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do and even £10 for 5 minutes work is surely too good a deal to give up in a buyer's market? We should collectively drive down the prices by playing it cool with the assumption we may not get HR, but still get a good sexy massage.

What vile and presumptious things you write! I feel horrified and saddened that you would contemplate such a thing.

You living in a dream world if you believe punters will all stick together collectively, the biggest hole in this thinking is many punters have never heard of or are not interested in forums such as this and at least some of them wont know other punters so they punt and get massages in isolation and/or ignorance of there being a collective thinking. A poster on here once called for punters to go on strike to show solidarity, how could he know they would do this though, its a forum people can say anything and do the opposite and in most circumstances no one would be the wiser.

On top of that many punters are prepared to pay the prices being charged as they punt within their means selecting WGs within their price range. Where you say desensitised i would say offer a professional and good or better service myself if they are good at being WGs.

Glad to hear it because if this was not the case then this would make making a living harder for the rest of us. Just because this industry involves our bodies should not detract from the fact that we still have to make a living and many of us WGS are running our own business.

There is no obligation to like the prices or services offered but neither is it necessary to be so utterly offensive and humiliating like that.

If you don't like it, move on and find what you do want in your price range. if you can't , then that is probably for a a good reason...

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there seems a flaw in his logic if we all pm'ed him the lady in question would be so busy she would put up her prices...supply and demand.

in answer to the original point though....i used to only see FS ladies...nowadays i'm more likely to seek out FBSM providers

it still gives me the tactile time i craved plus a good massage for 50 quid less than i was quite happily paying

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I got HR for £15 at a place I hadn't been before recently. This was after I said I only had £15 when she asked if I wanted 'special massage' and quoted £20. After she saw I wasn't budging from my position for a couple of minutes, she relented and agreed to £15. She claimed it was because she wanted me to come again (pun intended). Anyway, I reckon even £10 would have been accepted if I played it cool. PM me if you want to know the place. Think about it, these girls are desensitised to what they do and even £10 for 5 minutes work is surely too good a deal to give up in a buyer's market? We should collectively drive down the prices by playing it cool with the assumption we may not get HR, but still get a good sexy massage.

Is Happy Ending means sex?

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A reasonable rate for a BJ, Sex and Massage is £30 anything more and you been coned

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Is Happy Ending means sex?

No, it means the punter cumming at the end perhaps through being wanked off by the WG. :)

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A reasonable rate for a BJ, Sex and Massage is £30 anything more and you been coned

Never witnessed when they guy was "coned". Apart maybe when this hapenned a>

PS: HE or Happy ending only means that guys ejaculated. Could be during HJ, could be during stroking his favorite own blister in the presence of the masseuse, or could be when the traffic cone mounted on his head.

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the no of punters going through the parlour door seems to have gone down big time, but prices stay the same. The parlours are a cartel. The truth is, girls who have no customers, leave the business, rather than drop prices. The majority see sex work, as add on income, they are plugged in to the benefit system, or they have other jobs, even two customers a day is actually not bad money.

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The thing is, if you equate "respect" to purely financial motivations, then you are in a tricky logical position. What you or I may deem as a "decent" wage could differ massively.

It is hard to pinpoint what a good wage is.

As I have said before, I think some escorts have increased prices in recent months, I just think that isn't right in as much as it shows they are not connected to the reality of the world and the economic times.

The actual issue of respect here could be looked at in quite a different way. As someone has suggested, if parlour visits are down and prices either static or increasing and therefore escorts not getting work and having to leave the industry they have elected to work in, it is actually the parlour/agency owners etc showing a lack of respect to make themselves wealthy over someone being employed.

I was told in another thread that upward prices was just an economic thing, no other factors play a role. However, it is strange to me that then doesn't apply to downward pressure on pricing and that issues of respect have to be considered?

One thing that does make me wonder is this. An escort may well charge say £130 for one hour, but £90-100 for the 1/2 hour, I don't see the logic in that?

Personally I will look at pricing. However, I don't necessarily think haggling is right, I'll just look elsewhere.

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Anyone (like myself) involved in sales has to accept people trying to negotiate down prices every single day; if you can't accept that then you're in the wrong job.

However, I'm not one of those that thinks that offering Personal Services is the same as doing a bit of plumbing or whatever.

Vin, can I ask you an honest question and others who hold you view?

What is your basis for separating personal services, say from nurses who supply a caring service?

How exactly do the two differ, because I'd say many carers sell that as a service, a very personal service and one that is tough and not very well paid and subject to price restraint (be it public sector or otherwise), yet somehow escorts are not and you seperate them from the normal economy, why and what is your thinking to do so?

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The thing is, if you equate "respect" to purely financial motivations, then you are in a tricky logical position. What you or I may deem as a "decent" wage could differ massively.

It is hard to pinpoint what a good wage is.

As I have said before, I think some escorts have increased prices in recent months, I just think that isn't right in as much as it shows they are not connected to the reality of the world and the economic times.

The actual issue of respect here could be looked at in quite a different way. As someone has suggested, if parlour visits are down and prices either static or increasing and therefore escorts not getting work and having to leave the industry they have elected to work in, it is actually the parlour/agency owners etc showing a lack of respect to make themselves wealthy over someone being employed.

I was told in another thread that upward prices was just an economic thing, no other factors play a role. However, it is strange to me that then doesn't apply to downward pressure on pricing and that issues of respect have to be considered?

One thing that does make me wonder is this. An escort may well charge say £130 for one hour, but £90-100 for the 1/2 hour, I don't see the logic in that?

Personally I will look at pricing. However, I don't necessarily think haggling is right, I'll just look elsewhere.

Your back to your previous increase in pricing point again but this time not using the IF prices went up opening post as you did before but saying you think some have increased prices. As i said then my punting prices have gone down in both hourly rates and in real terms allowing for inflation in both the last year and the last five years AND in the last 10-15 years services offered have been more extensive so now is the best time to be a punter in my 28 years of being one.

WGs/Establishments set their prices at what they believe they can get, if smart they do previoius research in the area they operate in so they remain competitive, the parlours that have fewer punters but wont cut prices which is something i have noticed through going to a parlour myself have now lost my business as they are £80-£110 an hour more for like for like services than an Indie in the same area.

If a punter isnt willing to pay the price looking elsewhere is the option as it always has been cutting his cloth accordingly. I look for VFM in my punting at all times and certainly found it in recent years with the odd scam/rip-off and bad punt unfortunately included but if you punt for variety thats a scenario that can easily happen in my experience. :)

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Vin, can I ask you an honest question and others who hold you view? What is your basis for separating personal services, say from nurses who supply a caring service? How exactly do the two differ, because I'd say many carers sell that as a service, a very personal service and one that is tough and not very well paid and subject to price restraint (be it public sector or otherwise), yet somehow escorts are not and you seperate them from the normal economy, why and what is your thinking to do so?

WGs are fucking and sucking people is the difference and sex sells and will always sell and that is a unique thing about punting. They arent seperated from the normal economy, they charge what they believe they can get in the market they are in.

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A reasonable rate for a BJ, Sex and Massage is £30 anything more and you been coned

So that means talk her down to anything less and you would be conning!?

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