Sarah Summers

Can I Just Say Something

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I see lots of different men. Some are professionals, and some are not. Some work, some are retired. Some -well most actually, are married, and have families, and some are divorced or separated, with a few being widowed. What I am trying to say here is that I see a massive cross section of the male community just like other working girls do.

I do not discriminate between one man and another. There may be some who I have private thoughts about - the ones who can't really afford to do this but still do even though they have children and bills to pay - it's not for me to judge them.

Do you get where I am coming from?

I am a service provider first and foremost. I am a kind hearted woman with a family of my own. I would do anything for anyone because I am made like that. I tend to get along with my nicer clients. We seem to be along the same wavelength as regards family, women and children, old people and vulnerable people in society in general.

What amazes me no end is when some guys post on message forums, I find I did not really know them at all, and their personal regard for me puts me in the gutter especially when fees are discussed. These men who sit and have gentle banter with me, are tender and caress me, would not put me in the same class as their own wife, or sister/daughter......

They slag me off, yet they visit me for the most personal of services, putting themselves in my hands, and enjoying my company. There is a massive gulf here and it is most disturbing.

i wonder if it is guilt that makes some men behave like this?

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Or male bravado? they like to swagger and be blokey in front of their peers here but in reality they are actually quite nice and sweet and do respect you? Just a theory!

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Interesting post Sarah.

I just wonder why you feel guys are putting you in the gutter for discussing fees?

Personally I look to respect people, however, I am confused when you say some people wouldn't put you in the same class as family.

I think it can be tough for guys also. We are told escorting is a business transaction, yet you say you feel disrespected for not being considered equally to a person's family. When rates are discussed guys are criticised, yet many escort hides beyond the generic "i'm an escort" argument to bat away any moral decisions they may take.

If seeing an escort is a business transaction, just as visiting another professional, then I cannot see how a guy can win. Get too close and you are a nutter, keep your distance or discuss rates and treat things as a business transaction and you are not showing respect. How can a guy really balance the two while being truthful to himself?

I also think it comes down to totally different views between genders on sex.

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Interesting post Sarah.

I just wonder why you feel guys are putting you in the gutter for discussing fees?

Personally I look to respect people, however, I am confused when you say some people wouldn't put you in the same class as family.

I think it can be tough for guys also. We are told escorting is a business transaction, yet you say you feel disrespected for not being considered equally to a person's family. When rates are discussed guys are criticised, yet many escort hides beyond the generic "i'm an escort" argument to bat away any moral decisions they may take.

If seeing an escort is a business transaction, just as visiting another professional, then I cannot see how a guy can win. Get too close and you are a nutter, keep your distance or discuss rates and treat things as a business transaction and you are not showing respect. How can a guy really balance the two while being truthful to himself?

I also think it comes down to totally different views between genders on sex.

Oh no... I think the fees are the absolute sticking point for some men. I was merely using that as one example to show what some men really think of us when outwardly they are lovely.

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I would say it's guilt. It takes a long time and a lot of punts before the punter realises that he should give thanks to ladies like you

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I would say it's guilt. It takes a long time and a lot of punts before the punter realises that he should give thanks to ladies like you

It's not even thanks really - just an acknowledgment that we are no different to any other woman !

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Madonna- Whore complex?

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A wonderfully interesting post Sarah. I wonder if you are thinking about a few particular individual male posters or all of us? I'm not asking for them to be identified.

I think that, with a lot us posters, there is a feel of anonymity so we feel we can write what we like because we don't know the readers. I, for example, don't know any of the guys who post and can only think of 2 or 3 ladies whom I have met who post. Therefore the anonymity gives me the "courage" to write with out due regard to other peoples feelings. I'm not too proud of that and I hope that in my posts I have not been too insulting, especially to the ladies.

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It's not even thanks really - just an acknowledgment that we are no different to any other woman !

Sarah, most men can never come to terms with the fact that they have to pay for sex. They never speak about it to their mates. Society always looks down on ladies in your profession . Personally, I would see you as the same as any other woman , and if my daughter chose to enter your line of work ,that would be ok as well. But I would want and expect her to be bloody good at it .

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But say I need a serious lifesaving operation. A surgeon opens me up and uses his skills to repair my body and give me an extended life, no greater personal service than that.

However, I doubt I'd ever consider the doctor as part of my family, or that he/she would want to be.

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It seems to me that when it comes to fees there are precisely two things a guy can do: pay or not pay. Whinging, whining, berating, haggling, deriding a woman for charging more than he is happy to pay are all equally pointless. I can think of one forum that is almost exclusively devoted to fox-who-lost-his-tail sneering at any woman who charges more than bargain basement prices. And it is pathetic.

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Can't believe I'm going to do this but.... nntt - on another thread your words in response to Vin DaLoos "With respect, once you have actually experienced sexual intercourse yourself you might begin to understand how it is much more intimate than wiping someones bottom."

You replied...

"With respect, how about you show some respect and play the ball and not the man, so to speak.

I don't think you can get much more intimate than caring for someone as they die, but what would I know, hey? "

And now you say...

"A surgeon opens me up and uses his skills to repair my body and give me an extended life, no greater personal service than that."

Shall I spell out a huge part you have missed acknowledging.... and in so doing you are devaluing an escort and her service, whatever her rates.

A nurse or a doctor are performing their job ON a patient - an escort is having a client performing sex IN and ON HER.

When I stepped back from offering escort services one of the reasons was I'd had enough of that - and that's why I happily perform my massage ON a client.

This is why, until you have had your penis IN a woman you will have no idea of the consequences or the feelings of this action, and it's only your penis IN her... she isn't simply a VESSEL - you are thrusting INTO her. What other job has two people so intimate ! Please read what intimate means, there are several meanings.

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Sarah, most men can never come to terms with the fact that they have to pay for sex. They never speak about it to their mates. Society always looks down on ladies in your profession

How very right.

Some of my mates would never speak to me again if they knew I paid for sex. I only do so because my sex drive is higher than Mrs Taggart's.

It is not something you discuss with your mates over a pint either. It's a private thing, and I am a private person. It's far easier to post here anonymously about your views and experiences, and how to handle certain situations, such as part of me wants to indulge in a MMF session with DP, but as someone alluded to on another thread, are you conscious if your dick is small? Mine's average, but I am simply unsure if I could peform in a situation like that with another bloke present. I never liked the showers at football, but in a 1-2-1 with a WG, I have no qualms about being naked. Daft innit?

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I think this is one of several areas where guys verbal utterances and real observed behaviour are poles apart. Another example is the potential violent thoughts I often hear expressed (when drink is flowing in certain social circles) towards classes of people that are regarded (by some) as "not one of us".... the degree of casual violence advocated simply bears no relation to anyhting the person is ever likely to do. (Except for a few sickening cases.)

Is it a case of many guys simply wanting to be seen as "hard nuts"? I'd like to think that... rather than it actually reflects what they would like to do if they could get away with it. Similarly, I'd like to think that all the moaning about prices... is simply a wish (admittedly often poorly expressed) that a valued service could be less expensive, rather than a failure to appreciate WG's.

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Thanks Sarah and all the contributors. Thanks also to G for facilitating us in having these conversations. I think it shows the huge difference between men and women, between different cultures, races and even the rich and poor, with repsect to what sex means to one person.

I respect the ladies that I visit, totally and utterly. I have little or no concept of what it must be like to be penetrated, willingly or otherwise. I don't hink men can know this, though perhaps if they were anally raped, it might give them some idea.

It seems to me that sex to men is a desire. A need that requires gratification and that men must find that release soon, wherever and however they can.

Ladies, on the other seem to be at odds with this, which causes a bit of a 'mismatch'?

Lets not forget that sex is primarilary for reproduction, not entertainment or pleasure and perhaps we haven't evolved mush further than cave dwellers on this area?

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I have so much respect for escorts that I can't even begin to put it in to words. I think I might have gone crazy without working girls providing such a wonderful service - or at the very least, I'd be ridiculously sexually frustrated, so I can never understand why so many men are bitter and nasty about it all. I don't want to play armchair psychologist too much, but I genuinely believe they must be damaged by the experiences they've had with women in real life, or are just naturally deeply unpleasant, rather tragically.

Either way, I hope you manage to ignore such unfortunate creatures, and the majority of your clients are those who truly appreciated what you do, and how difficult a job it must be.

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I'm perplexed by this and I'm sorry the OP feels this way. Personally I treat everybody with equal care and consideration irrespective of gender, lifestyle or background. Escorts are ladies I hold in particularly high regard. I think that my excessive attention has on occasion been my downfall. A few girls interpret thoughtfulness and consideration as a sign of weakness to be exploited with virulent glee. All the girls I meet will continue to receive my full attention, a very small percentage will manipulate this to their own ends. I might moan on here, but I shall never relax my standards of courtesy and kindness. I still have my integrity.

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It's not even thanks really - just an acknowledgment that we are no different to any other woman !

Well thats not strictly true

You are different to other women because, and dont take this as a negative moral judgement at all because it isnt, you will have sex with a stranger (at first), in fact a number of strangers, for cash, in the manner of an agreed upon, practical and in the best cases, in my opinion, unpretentious, business transaction.

Many women, probably most, wont (maybe even can't) do this, and that sets you apart.

I'd also hazard a guess that youre a lot better at sex than the majority of women too, and able to get on with a variety of different people in potentially very high pressure, awkward and uncomfortable situations, time and again in a way that again, most women couldnt, while retaining their sanity anyway.

So, no, I dont think you are 'no different to any other woman' and I'm disagreeing with you with an opinion devoid of any moral judgement attached to it.

‚ÄčIt takes a certain type of fortitude, and I believe a great deal of compassion, not to mention some substantial acting ability, to do this kind of work and certainly to do it well and to be successful. Do these traits describe 'any other woman' as you say ?...............additionally why would being different to say, the average woman, be a bad thing anyhow.........since when have normalcy, 'bog standard', average or 'common' been such desired or favourable characteristics ?

I think the service you provide is invaluable, and I thank all you wgs out there unreservedly and collectively (well... *the good ones anyway ;)) , and all I can say is that the men who employ the services of wgs and then judge them negatively simply due to their chosen profession, with comments along the lines of, "she's just a whore", are arch hypocrites, struggling with their feelings of guilt and self loathing, scrabbling for some false moral 'higher ground' in order to massage their fragile egos.

*Myself and a few of the wgs on here have had differences of opinion in the past and no doubt will continue to, but my 'the good ones' comment applies to all the regular wgs who post on here, as taking the time to join a forum such as this, and regularly contribute to discussions, indicates a mentality of always looking to learn and improve and a genuine curiosity indicative of the best and most professional SPs.

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What amazes me no end is when some guys post on message forums, I find I did not really know them at all, and their personal regard for me puts me in the gutter especially when fees are discussed. These men who sit and have gentle banter with me, are tender and caress me, would not put me in the same class as their own wife, or sister/daughter......

They slag me off, yet they visit me for the most personal of services, putting themselves in my hands, and enjoying my company. There is a massive gulf here and it is most disturbing.

i wonder if it is guilt that makes some men behave like this?

Hi Sarah

Are you saying some of your visitors are back-biting about you? If yes, would you see them again?

Whatever guilt they may be feeling, this is no way for grown men to behave.

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They slag me off, yet they visit me for the most personal of services, putting themselves in my hands, and enjoying my company. There is a massive gulf here and it is most disturbing.

i wonder if it is guilt that makes some men behave like this?

To all intents and purposes you could say we are seen to be exploiting a man's weakness to not succumb to the desires of the flesh. Some males are raised to believe that sex is their right and the more free sex the more an Alpha male status. Trouble is in civvy street the oppurtunity for free, no strings attached sex with somebody they fancy is often not going to be an option. Some men readily accept this, are happy to pay, seeing it as good investment for a fun time. On the other hand some start to resent their own weakness but rather than addressing it, or controlling their desire (having no sex will not kill you, as being deprived of water and food would do) they start to blame the person selling sex.

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I would say it's guilt. It takes a long time and a lot of punts before the punter realises that he should give thanks to ladies like you

It certainly could be guilt or self-loathing. I have always appreciated being offered a good service by a good WG personally. Most in my experience do a professional job to a high standard offering me the sex and fun i am requiring at a rate i am prepared to pay within my VFM thinking.

I have witnessed the utter dickheads at parties first hand even deciding to say something on the rare occassion when the host wasnt about regarding showing some respect to the WGs although 99% of punters have been very respectful in my experiences. :)

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Well thats not strictly true

You are different to other women because, and dont take this as a negative moral judgement at all because it isnt, you will have sex with a stranger (at first), in fact a number of strangers, for cash, in the manner of an agreed upon, practical and in the best cases, in my opinion, unpretentious, business transaction.

Many women, probably most, wont (maybe even can't) do this, and that sets you apart.

I'd also hazard a guess that youre a lot better at sex than the majority of women too, and able to get on with a variety of different people in potentially very high pressure, awkward and uncomfortable situations, time and again in a way that again, most women couldnt, while retaining their sanity anyway.

So, no, I dont think you are 'no different to any other woman' and I'm disagreeing with you with an opinion devoid of any moral judgement attached to it.

‚ÄčIt takes a certain type of fortitude, and I believe a great deal of compassion, not to mention some substantial acting ability, to do this kind of work and certainly to do it well and to be successful. Do these traits describe 'any other woman' as you say ?...............additionally why would being different to say, the average woman, be a bad thing anyhow.........since when have normalcy, 'bog standard', average or 'common' been such desired or favourable characteristics ?

I think the service you provide is invaluable, and I thank all you wgs out there unreservedly and collectively (well... *the good ones anyway ;)) , and all I can say is that the men who employ the services of wgs and then judge them negatively simply due to their chosen profession, with comments along the lines of, "she's just a whore", are arch hypocrites, struggling with their feelings of guilt and self loathing, scrabbling for some false moral 'higher ground' in order to massage their fragile egos.

*Myself and a few of the wgs on here have had differences of opinion in the past and no doubt will continue to, but my 'the good ones' comment applies to all the regular wgs who post on here, as taking the time to join a forum such as this, and regularly contribute to discussions, indicates a mentality of always looking to learn and improve and a genuine curiosity indicative of the best and most professional SPs.

Agreed. Totally.

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Sarah

I have read a lot of your posts and always completely agree with what you say. I am new to this site and find the posters at odds with what they practice.

I feel here is a forum for them to say things they would never usually and they also miss the point with a lot of the girls' comments.

I will maybe get slagged off by posters for saying this, but it is interesting that you should say this exactly at the same time I was thinking it.

Sophie

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But say I need a serious lifesaving operation. A surgeon opens me up and uses his skills to repair my body and give me an extended life, no greater personal service than that.

However, I doubt I'd ever consider the doctor as part of my family, or that he/she would want to be.

No, but you would hold him in high esteem and be extremely thankful which unfortunatley a certain percentage of men are not towards the women they visit...to the point of being disrespectful even in the room or on the way out of the door suddenly being nr shitty...sometimes even as soon as they have jacked their load on you. Thankfully on a percentage though.

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