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Gemma Harris

To Offer Oral Covered Means You Do Not Offer A Gfe?

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What am saying is that if a WG is offering a GFE= Girlfriend experience, i.e. the "GFE" is to mimic the real life experience when you have sex or making love with your "girlfriend, wife/partner... etc" which includes kissing, cuddling... Lets say you meet a girl and been seeing eachother for a couple of months and yous 2 agree that its time to have sex, do you think that shes going to give you bj with a condom? In my experiences this never happen. I mean, i can completely understand the protected penetration side. :)

He seems to forget that there are many many girls on civvy street that have always baulked about giving blowjobs full stop, either covered or uncovered, likewise many guys will never go down on a girl.

As someone that does the GFE and OW which involves MUCH kissing and cuddling and intimacy, is a little miffed that he finds a covered blow job a deal breaker, is he really saying that every other act is cancelled out by that one thing?

It is a personal reason why I chose to OW and we all know the risks involved, Gonorrhoea or Chlamydia in the throat will have to be explained away just the same to an unsuspecting partner on either side. How can you understand protection being used for penetration one way yet not the other? The above DOES happen, and I personally find the risk not acceptable.

This is not meant to be a debate on OWO v OW more the statement that OW is not a GFE.

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I think the guy is wrong. I know definition of GFE is more nebulous that for other services, but I can't see any sensible reason why it would imply receiving OWO.

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My next punt, booked for 26th Nov, is a young lady that only gives OW. Although I prefer OWO and this is my first OW punt, it does not become a determining factor for me.

For me a GFE is the whole ambience of the punt but if one single factor summed it up that would most likely be DFK.

A lady at the very top of my all time wish list is Lara Brooks and she only does OW but I'd drive a 300 mile round trip to see her! Alas, I can't escape the ball and chain for such a day trip.

DG

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Even though I prefer OWO, its no big deal if the lady does not offer it, I would still see her as long as she does other services I value and her attitude is good.

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Diamond Geezer I let out a little chuckle at the ball and chain escape comment. :)

I totally agree Gemma. Alot of women refuse to give their partners oral full stop. I know I initially detested oral with my Bf, that was many years ago and now giving head is one of my favorite things to do and something I do very well, but with that Bf years ago it did impact on our relationship, not that it was OW just that it was uncomfortable oral full stop, he said it was like a trust thing or something along those lines. I also know that alot of GF won't give OWO untill they have both been checked out and also are at that stage of their relationship but they will happily kiss and cuddle and enjoy being intimate. Personally untill my fiance was checked I wouldn't give him OWO as I my health is paramount. He said it felt less intimate. Does that mean that clients feel it's less intimate or do they grumble about OW due to lack of sensation? And as for CIM is that an intimacy thing or just a major turn on? My fiance says it's an intimacy thing but I think he's talking shite just to get me to swallow more often haha.

GFE is generally, as explained to me by my friend, DFK, OWO, BB and a totally unrushed service usually followed by a bath or some wind down time.

I think that's B.S

GFE to me is kissing and cuddling and friendly chat, OW or OWO depending on your personal likes, BB if you do it but that's definately not how we should all offer GFE I think. And if the guy does want the full entire GFE with all extras included, where's the flowers, the dinner date and the romantic film with popcorn?

Natalie Xx

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He seems to forget that there are many many girls on civvy street that have always baulked about giving blowjobs full stop, either covered or uncovered, likewise many guys will never go down on a girl. As someone that does the GFE and OW which involves MUCH kissing and cuddling and intimacy, is a little miffed that he finds a covered blow job a deal breaker, is he really saying that every other act is cancelled out by that one thing? It is a personal reason why I chose to OW and we all know the risks involved, Gonorrhoea or Chlamydia in the throat will have to be explained away just the same to an unsuspecting partner on either side. How can you understand protection being used for penetration one way yet not the other? The above DOES happen, and I personally find the risk not acceptable. This is not meant to be a debate on OWO v OW more the statement that OW is not a GFE.

As ever its up to the WG whats she offers, i wouldnt punt wiithout OWO being on offer every time and to me a GFE is DFK and OWO, but if some punters dont mind OW then thats up to them.

As to protection being used its a WGs free choice, if she thinks the risk is too high to offer OWO like yourself dont offer it. I am just glad it is on offer and those WGs are prepared to take the risk. BB penetration to me is a risk i wont take outside of a relationship and i avoid WGs that advertise they offer it and i view the possible risks involved as more serious than with OWO. Its ultimately about freedom of choice in this free market and long may that continue in my opinion. :)

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I would tend to agree with Smiths, that it is up to the girl to decide what is on offer and then it is up to the punter to decide if together,she and the services she offers - amount to a GFE - whatever that is. For me, the GFE is more about the kissing and the cuddling than the actual 'services' tbh.

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Ive always gone based on this....

http://en.wikipedia....iend_experience

Quote:

A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Advertising a "girlfriend experience" is sometimes used by call girls to promote business.

whether all WGs and punters agree with it seems to differ thou.

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Doesn't a GFE mean I get to lay on the sofa moaning that he didn't do enough housework then bully him into taking the bins out and running me a hot bath then refuse to give any sex feigning a headache! ;)

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I tend to prefer a GFE type experience including sometimes bathing, mutual massage and conversation as well as the usual activities including RO and DFK. However, I prefer ladies who offer OW only as a sensible risk reduction - something I would expect a GF to practice!

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I had a partner/girlfriend for some years who would not let me come in her mouth. We compromised and bought some flavoured condoms so that she could then go all the way.

Come to think of it, what other use is there for flavoured condoms?

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I have a somewhat regular girl I see at a local parlour who I would say gives a fantastic GFE but the oral is always covered. The tone of the bookings is always very intimate and close, loads of deep kissing, caressing, cuddling etc. then we shower together at the end, she walks me to the door, gives me some more prolonged deep kissing and a nice cuddle and I go away feeling fantastic. I don't think the presence of a condom really detracts from that feeling like a non-paid for encounter, it's the tone of the meeting and the attitude of the girl as much as the actual sexual acts I'd say.

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Doesn't a GFE mean I get to lay on the sofa moaning that he didn't do enough housework then bully him into taking the bins out and running me a hot bath then refuse to give any sex feigning a headache! ;)

Precisely! :lol: :lol:

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I've got someone in my sights who offers a GFE but only on OW basis. Doesn't bother me as long as DFK,Sex and her general attitude is good. Only problem is I've not DFKed with anyone since I started wearing braces (invisible ones). I wonder how that's going to feel?

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I actually agree with the OP that I'd expect someone advertising a GFE service to offer OWO as standard.

If she didnt then I'd most likely look elsewhere, unless her feedback was extremely good of course

And this isnt to say, Gemma Harris, that you are wrong, but that you have your opinion and standards of practice and I have mine.

However, one of the greatest BJ exponents I've ever been lucky enough to experience only ever provided protected oral, and her protected BJs were phenomenal, so one could miss out on some great SPs by automatically overlooking them because they dont perform owo. But 99% of the time this it was I would do, not book an escort because even though she's listed as a GFE provider, OWO is strictly off the menu.

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I actually agree with the OP that I'd expect someone advertising a GFE service to offer OWO as standard.

If she didnt then I'd most likely look elsewhere, unless her feedback was extremely good of course

And this isnt to say, Gemma Harris, that you are wrong, but that you have your opinion and standards of practice and I have mine.

However, one of the greatest BJ exponents I've ever been lucky enough to experience only ever provided protected oral, and her protected BJs were phenomenal, so one could miss out on some great SPs by automatically overlooking them because they dont perform owo. But 99% of the time this it was I would do, not book an escort because even though she's listed as a GFE provider, OWO is strictly off the menu.

Wow!,this lady sounds a bit special Bill...for me I think I'd rather have hand relief without a condom rather than oral covered,but sure would like to meet the escort in question.

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I love OWO and always take the option if offered at a parlour - it is usually an extra 10 quid although it is not a deal breaker for me.

On Thursday visited Sandy's in Prestwich and had two punts and both girls offered OWO - heaven - I'm still smiling now!

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Wow!,this lady sounds a bit special Bill...for me I think I'd rather have hand relief without a condom rather than oral covered,but sure would like to meet the escort in question.

She was.......long gone unfortunately, and an absolutey drop dead, traffic stopping stunner she was too

Melissa

Mid twenties I'd say at a guess, but had the knowing air and self assured bearing of a thirtysomething sex goddess

Italian, tall, all boobs, bee-stung lips and long shapely legs

Extraordinary eyes with lashes so long they almost waved at you when she blinked.........if you could imagine a living, breathing, walking, talking, sucking, fucking real live version of Jessica Rabbit.......then that was her (albeit a brunette not a redhead)

She had the look of one of those dangerous, raven haired, pouty lipped sirens you see in French 'arthouse' movies.

Couple that with an improbably voluptuous body that rather than clothed seemed to have been poured into her dress.......you get the idea

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The GFE is hard to define as it seems to mean different things to different folks.

Some guys believe OWO should always be an integral part of the GFE (I don't, but accept that many do). Some guys believe that DFK should always be an integral part of the GFE (I do, but am told that some don't).

For me though, what it all boils down to is that ephemeral quality termed attitude. If a girl has the ability to whisk you into a fantasy land for an hour or two where you can both pretend it's not a paid encounter, then it's a GFE to me. Particular services may or may not be on offer, but as long as that pretence is achievable, then I am a happy man and it feels like a GFE to me. The important thing is that the client goes away feeling a happy man. If he wanted OWO and doesn't get it, he won't be happy and hence to him it won't feel like a GFE.

As so often in this game, it comes down to good comms. Never equate GFE to a particular range of services and always check beforehand if a particular service is vital to you.

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The GFE is hard to define as it seems to mean different things to different folks.

Some guys believe OWO should always be an integral part of the GFE (I don't, but accept that many do). Some guys believe that DFK should always be an integral part of the GFE (I do, but am told that some don't).

For me though, what it all boils down to is that ephemeral quality termed attitude. If a girl has the ability to whisk you into a fantasy land for an hour or two where you can both pretend it's not a paid encounter, then it's a GFE to me. Particular services may or may not be on offer, but as long as that pretence is achievable, then I am a happy man and it feels like a GFE to me. The important thing is that the client goes away feeling a happy man. If he wanted OWO and doesn't get it, he won't be happy and hence to him it won't feel like a GFE.

As so often in this game, it comes down to good comms. Never equate GFE to a particular range of services and always check beforehand if a particular service is vital to you.

The GFE works both ways. You as the punter wanting a GFE have to allow the lady the freedom to express herself and positively encourage spontaneity. To me you can't have a GFE without mutual satisfaction and that is with or without the use of condoms.

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The GFE is hard to define as it seems to mean different things to different folks.

Some guys believe OWO should always be an integral part of the GFE (I don't, but accept that many do). Some guys believe that DFK should always be an integral part of the GFE (I do, but am told that some don't).

For me though, what it all boils down to is that ephemeral quality termed attitude. If a girl has the ability to whisk you into a fantasy land for an hour or two where you can both pretend it's not a paid encounter, then it's a GFE to me. Particular services may or may not be on offer, but as long as that pretence is achievable, then I am a happy man and it feels like a GFE to me. The important thing is that the client goes away feeling a happy man. If he wanted OWO and doesn't get it, he won't be happy and hence to him it won't feel like a GFE.

As so often in this game, it comes down to good comms. Never equate GFE to a particular range of services and always check beforehand if a particular service is vital to you.

Quite right, its about attitude and communication ultimately. I have rarely read punters say a GFE doesnt have to include kissing, although that might be FK rather than DFK. I am crystal clear what it means for me, DFK, OWO and RO as its essentials but as you say it means different things to different people. :)

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The GFE is hard to define as it seems to mean different things to different folks.

Some guys believe OWO should always be an integral part of the GFE (I don't, but accept that many do). Some guys believe that DFK should always be an integral part of the GFE (I do, but am told that some don't).

For me though, what it all boils down to is that ephemeral quality termed attitude. If a girl has the ability to whisk you into a fantasy land for an hour or two where you can both pretend it's not a paid encounter, then it's a GFE to me. Particular services may or may not be on offer, but as long as that pretence is achievable, then I am a happy man and it feels like a GFE to me. The important thing is that the client goes away feeling a happy man. If he wanted OWO and doesn't get it, he won't be happy and hence to him it won't feel like a GFE.

As so often in this game, it comes down to good comms. Never equate GFE to a particular range of services and always check beforehand if a particular service is vital to you.

The best contribution so far on this topic. Good post Northwinds.

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He seems to forget that there are many many girls on civvy street that have always baulked about giving blowjobs full stop, either covered or uncovered, likewise many guys will never go down on a girl.

As someone that does the GFE and OW which involves MUCH kissing and cuddling and intimacy, is a little miffed that he finds a covered blow job a deal breaker, is he really saying that every other act is cancelled out by that one thing?

It is a personal reason why I chose to OW and we all know the risks involved, Gonorrhoea or Chlamydia in the throat will have to be explained away just the same to an unsuspecting partner on either side. How can you understand protection being used for penetration one way yet not the other? The above DOES happen, and I personally find the risk not acceptable.

This is not meant to be a debate on OWO v OW more the statement that OW is not a GFE.

All my best and most intimate girlfriends have shared a snowball with me, that is my, and I Realise, few others definition of a tru shared GFE. I found a few WGs that enjoy this, even some who are not dominating.

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All my best and most intimate girlfriends have shared a snowball with me, that is my, and I Realise, few others definition of a tru shared GFE. I found a few WGs that enjoy this, even some who are not dominating.

IThat's the key to a GFE.. whether she enjoys, or is simply providing a service.

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I've had a few girlfriends in my 'real' life, and they all did OWO and all enjoyed RO. So for me gfe means OWO (and RO because I enjoy giving every bit as much as I enjoy receiving).

However, in these days of safe sex, and it has to be that for me for very good reasons, I think it is acceptable for either party in a punting transaction to refuse to do oral without protection and the session still be classed as a gfe. I recently had such an occasion involving OW and RO, and it was truly memorable!

To follow up on an earlier post someone made, I would be more critical of the absence of good kissing if the claim of a gfe was being made.

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