MargaretF

Pre-internet, Post-internet Prostitution In The Uk

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To the punters and WGs who punted/worked before, say, 1995, how has the sex industry in the UK changed? I think I remember reading a few posts on this and am curious. In terms of:

-types of work: more parlours, more agencies, were there independents? If so, did you all have a private client list, or advertise in papers, or...

-services offered, prices...a lot of U.S. escorts who started pre 1995 say kissing and anal were super-rare, and prices were higher? True here too?

-WG attitudes, quality of services, etc.

-How did things work? I seriously can't imagine doing this work without an android, let alone a cell phone; totally can't without web marketing.

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To the punters and WGs who punted/worked before, say, 1995, how has the sex industry in the UK changed? I think I remember reading a few posts on this and am curious. In terms of: -types of work: more parlours, more agencies, were there independents? If so, did you all have a private client list, or advertise in papers, or... -services offered, prices...a lot of U.S. escorts who started pre 1995 say kissing and anal were super-rare, and prices were higher? True here too? -WG attitudes, quality of services, etc. -How did things work? I seriously can't imagine doing this work without an android, let alone a cell phone; totally can't without web marketing.

I read the ads in my local paper, in newsagents windows, direct and indirect contact magazines and phone boxes pre-internet. I wouldnt know till the WG opened the door what she looked like. Kissing in the 80s into the 90s was virtually never on offer as it was for partners only as the WGs of the time used to say. Very many WGs were real amateurs just making extra money and didnt have the professionalism of todays good WGs but that could work in punters favour as an hour might go into two or three but often the services were cold and clinical. My early punting days coincided with AIDS so paranoia was prominent. It was Indies although they werent known as that that i punted with in those early days going to Parlours a few years later. :)

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I started working for an agency with an advert in the local evening paper. There were indies about but I was unaware of them since I was new to this line of work. When I left the agency i had an ad in the Sport for a while and then I discovered the Internet, and the websites etc etc. It opened up a whole new chapter in my career. I could not have gone indie and be where I am now if it were not for the Internet and G.

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I used to use the adult contact mags quite often -- quite good actually they were - u had a photo, phone number and far far less fakes. shame they've disappeared due to the Internet.

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To the punters and WGs who punted/worked before, say, 1995, how has the sex industry in the UK changed? I think I remember reading a few posts on this and am curious. In terms of:

-types of work: more parlours, more agencies, were there independents? If so, did you all have a private client list, or advertise in papers, or...

-services offered, prices...a lot of U.S. escorts who started pre 1995 say kissing and anal were super-rare, and prices were higher? True here too?

-WG attitudes, quality of services, etc.

-How did things work? I seriously can't imagine doing this work without an android, let alone a cell phone; totally can't without web marketing.

Lots of changes happened at the same time: mobile 'phones, the enlargement of the EU and the internet. It is hard to separate out which has had the greatest effect.

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I think it has to be the mobile 'phone. That started the ball rolling.

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It was Punternet that resulted in my initiation in to punting about 8-9 years ago. I've never punted with street girls. I lived in RL district for while 20 years ago straight from college and that was enough to put me off. That was before the kerb crawling laws and CCTV.

I think the scene has changed a lot for the better. I started with massage parlours recommended in FR. I became aware that many were under criminal control but that has been left behind. Today most of the local parlours are run by w/g that worked in them a few years ago. (I know running a brothel is criminal. I'm referring to wider criminality; for example one local brothel was run by an outlaw biker gang and another brothel owner went down for armed robbery).

The independent scene seems to have grown, it's certainly a lot more visible to me but I think that's likely a result of a shift away from newspaper ads and the shop window ads for 'French teachers'. Indies are a lot easier to find through punternet, regional/local forums, etc.

Services have improved, but I'm certain why. Probably a combination of things, increase sexual liberation in general, Independent w/g are more motivated, punting sites putting the spot light on poor service.

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I remember the time when advertising was mainly in local papers or shop windows and did try few but I was not very active then in terms of punting in the UK. I guess another reason was that I was hardly in the UK in the 90's anyway and was enjoying the variety that East Europe had to offer. Nothing better than picking the apple from the tree.

I do however recall that advertising in telephone booths was the next step up from newspapers and sometimes you even had real pics. Not sure when advertising in Booths started but I believe they were very popular.

Other than that I had the occasional visit to Soho walk ups but I found them somewhat undesirable and indiscreet.

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In one way it was more fun .you never knew if you had found a real gem or a dud. I find there is almost too much information out there. I was put off booking a lady for nearly 3 years because of lack of reviews and one iffy comment on a board. Got let down by an escort so took a chance on seeing her .certainly the best i have ever seen over all. Later found out she had pile of reviews on Capt69 and a rating in the 90's .not being a member at that time i had not bothered to look.

Now i take little notice of reviews feedback ,i speak to lady and make my own mind up. The way i see it is this..i have no idea what my fellow punters look like or their tastes in women so little chance of gaining much info into performance etc. There are a few area's it can help . Hygiene for example .comment's along the lines needle marks on arms ,stunk like a fish market,place resembled corporation tip .found car jacked up on bricks minus wheels ,6ft Ape burst in threatening violence good information !

Prices if anything where higher ,Argyle Square 20 quid ,would be 80 plus now by my reckoning .

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Further to other posts .agree mobile phone almost more important than internet.

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I used to use the adult contact mags quite often -- quite good actually they were - u had a photo, phone number and far far less fakes. shame they've disappeared due to the Internet.

I still buy them occasionally,but not as good as they used to be.I remember when 250/300 ladies used to advertise in them,nowadays by the time you disregard the Doms,trannies etc there`s 70 if you`re lucky

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To the punters and WGs who punted/worked before, say, 1995, how has the sex industry in the UK changed? I think I remember reading a few posts on this and am curious. In terms of:

-types of work: more parlours, more agencies, were there independents? If so, did you all have a private client list, or advertise in papers, or...

-services offered, prices...a lot of U.S. escorts who started pre 1995 say kissing and anal were super-rare, and prices were higher? True here too?

-WG attitudes, quality of services, etc.

-How did things work? I seriously can't imagine doing this work without an android, let alone a cell phone; totally can't without web marketing.

I began traveling to Asia several times a year back in the '70s and got my first real taste of prostitution there, though I had occasionally visited parlours and checked-out the odd Soho walk-up between travels. The Vietnam War ended shortly beforehand and its R&R legacy in Thailand turned into a 'Tiggy in Wonderland' experience for me (Hong Kong, Manila and even Singapore were also in the picture but, even as today, Bangkok and Pattaya and, later, Phuket represented the mother lodes). Oriental masseuses began to appear in London massage parlours in the late '70/early '80s (or at least I discovered them during that era) and so I regularly bought 'What's On in London' and 'Where to Go' and plotted my 'long lunch hours' carefully. I checked out the RLDs (then) in the Notting Hill and Tooting/Balham/Streatham areas but street walkers really never appealed to me, though it was a bit 'exciting' to stroll around, exchanging glances and smiles with the 'painted ladies' on parade (I can't believe what a jerk I must have been in those days). Massage parlours, the occasional 'indie' (though I don't remember them being called that then) and fairly regular trips to Asia kept me going through the '80s and well into the '90s until I read about Punternet somewhere. I bought my first computer in the early '90s but had never made much of an effort to 'master' it but Galahad turned on the lights for me and I have never looked back. My trips to Asia became rarer as my career progressed and punting opportunities in London exploded, with the internet, cell phones and the influx of exotic foreign WGs leading the way. I played the oriental agency game here for years (in fact, I haven't really given up on it even now, though I switched to 'indies' as regulars a couple of years ago) and I now travel to Asia twice a year to get my oriental 'fix'. I more or less play the field re London WGs, though British and American (as a Yank) are less appealing to me because they remind me too much of family members and close friends. 'Opposites attract' for me when it comes to punting but I obviously sacrifice some depth of communication and understanding that comes from sharing a mother-tongue.

Whew! The past 40 years just went flashing by! :D

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In pre-internet days I used to buy contact mags. One thing which surprised me about these magazine was how many women shows their faces in their profiles.

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In pre-internet days I used to buy contact mags. One thing which surprised me about these magazine was how many women shows their faces in their profiles.

There were a couple of girls I saw regularly who NEVER showed their faces in the mags,but were more than happy to let me take pics/videos of them doing naughty things,and another couple who ALWAYS showed their faces in the mags,and even appeared on the front cover a few times who wouldn`t let me take pics.Baffled me.

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To the punters and WGs who punted/worked before, say, 1995, how has the sex industry in the UK changed? I think I remember reading a few posts on this and am curious. In terms of:

-types of work: more parlours, more agencies, were there independents? If so, did you all have a private client list, or advertise in papers, or...

-services offered, prices...a lot of U.S. escorts who started pre 1995 say kissing and anal were super-rare, and prices were higher? True here too?

-WG attitudes, quality of services, etc.

-How did things work? I seriously can't imagine doing this work without an android, let alone a cell phone; totally can't without web marketing.

Thinking back to the early 80s before AIDS was known about, there were not even cards on phone boxes, that came later. Apart from contact magazines, which I never tried, there used to be coded ad cards in tobacconists' windows, "Large chest for sale", "French lessons available" and things of that sort. As smiths says, it was absolutely pot luck as you had no idea what a girl looked like until you met her. Many used to offer bareback and, before AIDS came along, I used to accept the offer happily. Phone box cards and ads in "What's On in London" increased the accessibility greatly, though it was still pot luck. The internet has totally transformed the whole business in the last 15 years and the frequency of a successful punt has increased enormously, thanks to FRs and other such feed back.

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Lots of changes happened at the same time: mobile 'phones, the enlargement of the EU and the internet. It is hard to separate out which has had the greatest effect.

I think it has to be the mobile 'phone. That started the ball rolling.

As conveniemt as mobiles have made punting, I'd have to say it's the internet that has had by far the biggest impact.

For WGs it's made it much easier to advertise and reach a wider audience. For punters it's expanded the pool from which to find a lady, made it easy to find out information about ladies and services, read reviews, compare etc. In some ways, perhaps the biggest impact is how it has almost normalised many aspects of sex such as prostitution and hard core porn and thereby reduced the taboo for punters and perhaps WG alike.

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Daily Sport was always usefull, no pictures though. No wonder it was the most discarded paper by the side of the roads.

Trade-it (Bristol) was (is?) good.

I only ever used phone box cards once or twice (LOndon and Brighton).

Local papers were very variable, some carrying loads of ads, some none.

Soho walk ups were quite good, cheap and one knew what one was getting.

Street girls (we're not supposed to mention these, but it has been mentioned in earlier posts), occasionally with very mixed results.

Walk in massage places were quite good.

Agree that mobiles have changed things hugely.

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started in soho walk ups about 35 years ago,some excellent young french ladies worked in various flats near berwick st & broadwick st market.,always bb at the time but you invariably had your cock washed by the lady beforehand.some good street girls in sussex gardends from the late 70's the best of these,such as australian sandy,found their way into flats in the west end and had card boys putting up their cards in phone boxes.ads in local papers could be misleading but found some real gems such as sophie & jo of luton one of whom i am still seeing more than 15 yrs later.much easier now and much better information available.

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started in soho walk ups about 35 years ago,some excellent young french ladies worked in various flats near berwick st & broadwick st market.,always bb at the time but you invariably had your cock washed by the lady beforehand.some good street girls in sussex gardends from the late 70's the best of these,such as australian sandy,found their way into flats in the west end and had card boys putting up their cards in phone boxes.ads in local papers could be misleading but found some real gems such as sophie & jo of luton one of whom i am still seeing more than 15 yrs later.much easier now and much better information available.

Always bareback? Wow. Did they also do owo and cim?

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it was always owo but cim was less on offer

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I am writing a book partly about this.

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i was about to comment that there so should be a book based on all the experiences here!

Looks like Winter Man beat me to it!

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In the early days the service was basic, most did not kiss, most did not offer Owo, nowadays you get that whether you want it or not often girls just walk in the room start kissing, and Owoing without so much as a by your leave, everything is now on offer, its freighting to think what the future could hold, these girl think of new things everyday, just lately girls have started spitting on the dick no idea where that comes from

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In the early days the service was basic, most did not kiss, most did not offer Owo, nowadays you get that whether you want it or not often girls just walk in the room start kissing, and Owoing without so much as a by your leave, everything is now on offer, its freighting to think what the future could hold, these girl think of new things everyday, just lately girls have started spitting on the dick no idea where that comes from

It comes from porn.

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oh man, i cannot wait for virtual reality to hit home ; no more traveling to punts. just from the comfort of my sofa -- :D. i hope they get the sensation of feeling just right .

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