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Long Dinner Date Did Not End In Sex Because Girl 'too Tired'

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So on New Year's Eve, I booked a dinner date with a lovely girl I've seen before (and had a really good fun time with the first time). First time - some months ago - was booked through an agency she no longer works with. We got on well and exchanged email addresses at that time. Then she left the UK for many months. She came back very recently and emailed me a couple of days ago to let me know she was back here... I thought how fantastic, would be really great to spend New Year's Eve with this girl. She doesn't have any other plans as only just arrived back in the UK, so the dinner date is duly arranged privately between us.

Dinner was excellent, she was flirtatious and fun and conversation was good. She had made an effort to dress really nice, looked totally stunning in fact. Later the evening started to drag on because we dropped into another venue for a while on the way home, both a bit drunk, then it took a long time to find a taxi (New Year's Eve), she was walking slowly because her shoes hurt her etc etc you get the picture - much like many of my "real" dates with girlfriends, I mean the non-paying variety...

Eventually we get back to her place, she says "Do you want to come up" and I say yes please. Once we're up there, she starts to say she's feeling tired, just wants a shower and to go to bed, tries to sit me down in front of the telly! I say I'm tired too so I'll wait while you have your shower, spend a bit of time with you, then I'll be going home. So anyhow, she gets out of the shower and says "Baby it's 2 in the morning, don't chase me, I'm too tired." But she's also concerned for how I'm to get home, so she says do I want to sleep in her flatmate's bedroom and spend the night there (her flatmate is away). I say yes, thinking maybe this is her way of making up to me, maybe she will be up for it in the morning. She then makes it pretty clear that's not the case, goes into her own room and closes her door firmly, says not to wake her up when I let myself out in the morning!

So that's exactly what I did, slept my 8 hours in the flatmate's bedroom, then quietly left in the morning without waking her - I did think about waking her but thought I might have a rather angry girl on my hands if I did.

So here I am now, quite a lot out of pocket and feeling short-changed, not really sure what to do. I haven't contacted her about this yet.

Thoughts:

- I feel strongly that a paying date ought to end in sex, that's kind of the point

- obviously not going to force myself on a girl that has made it clear she doesn't want it, and even if somehow I'd persuaded her or guilt-tripped her into sex last night it would have been no fun if she didn't really want it

- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

- generally, looking back, I've let her call the shots too much, been rather 'compliant' with what she asked

What I really think is that it's implied that a paying date will include sex and the girl, if she's professional, has some of the responsibility to make sure that happens - so if she's starting to feel tired or it's getting late, she should say "Let's go home now because I'm going to be too tired later".

So now I think this girl owes me one, but really not sure how to go about mentioning that to her or what the fair thing would be here. It would put everything right for her to give me a freebie next time. Better still if she contacts me without prompting to offer something like that to make it up to me. But I'd be highly surprised if that happens, I don't think many working girls would ever be willing to give their time for free. On the other hand if she won't offer me something like that, I'm left feeling exploited here and in that case I really wouldn't want to see this particular girl again.

Moral of this story

Don't do dinner dates, even with girls you know and trust.

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no idea what the original arrangements were that you made. But my personal advice is to always make it clear when booking what you are after. Most girls are quite explicit that a 'dinner date' includes x amount of 'intimate time' but you'd need to check at the time of booking just what the terms are - to some girls a dinner date might just be that - a guy wanting some company for dinner. These details should always be thrashed out as par of the original booking and arrangements so you both know where you stand and what is on offer and what is expected!

I think your story is also a good illustration of why either or both parties getting drunk during a booking is a bad move.

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So on New Year's Eve, I booked a dinner date with a lovely girl I've seen before (and had a really good fun time with the first time). First time - some months ago - was booked through an agency she no longer works with. We got on well and exchanged email addresses at that time. Then she left the UK for many months. She came back very recently and emailed me a couple of days ago to let me know she was back here... I thought how fantastic, would be really great to spend New Year's Eve with this girl. She doesn't have any other plans as only just arrived back in the UK, so the dinner date is duly arranged privately between us.

Dinner was excellent, she was flirtatious and fun and conversation was good. She had made an effort to dress really nice, looked totally stunning in fact. Later the evening started to drag on because we dropped into another venue for a while on the way home, both a bit drunk, then it took a long time to find a taxi (New Year's Eve), she was walking slowly because her shoes hurt her etc etc you get the picture - much like many of my "real" dates with girlfriends, I mean the non-paying variety...

Eventually we get back to her place, she says "Do you want to come up" and I say yes please. Once we're up there, she starts to say she's feeling tired, just wants a shower and to go to bed, tries to sit me down in front of the telly! I say I'm tired too so I'll wait while you have your shower, spend a bit of time with you, then I'll be going home. So anyhow, she gets out of the shower and says "Baby it's 2 in the morning, don't chase me, I'm too tired." But she's also concerned for how I'm to get home, so she says do I want to sleep in her flatmate's bedroom and spend the night there (her flatmate is away). I say yes, thinking maybe this is her way of making up to me, maybe she will be up for it in the morning. She then makes it pretty clear that's not the case, goes into her own room and closes her door firmly, says not to wake her up when I let myself out in the morning!

So that's exactly what I did, slept my 8 hours in the flatmate's bedroom, then quietly left in the morning without waking her - I did think about waking her but thought I might have a rather angry girl on my hands if I did.

So here I am now, quite a lot out of pocket and feeling short-changed, not really sure what to do. I haven't contacted her about this yet.

Thoughts:

- I feel strongly that a paying date ought to end in sex, that's kind of the point

- obviously not going to force myself on a girl that has made it clear she doesn't want it, and even if somehow I'd persuaded her or guilt-tripped her into sex last night it would have been no fun if she didn't really want it

- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

- generally, looking back, I've let her call the shots too much, been rather 'compliant' with what she asked

What I really think is that it's implied that a paying date will include sex and the girl, if she's professional, has some of the responsibility to make sure that happens - so if she's starting to feel tired or it's getting late, she should say "Let's go home now because I'm going to be too tired later".

So now I think this girl owes me one, but really not sure how to go about mentioning that to her or what the fair thing would be here. It would put everything right for her to give me a freebie next time. Better still if she contacts me without prompting to offer something like that to make it up to me. But I'd be highly surprised if that happens, I don't think many working girls would ever be willing to give their time for free. On the other hand if she won't offer me something like that, I'm left feeling exploited here and in that case I really wouldn't want to see this particular girl again.

Moral of this story

Don't do dinner dates, even with girls you know and trust.

You don't give us a timeline of events. You say you booked her for four hours but at 2am she went to be alone. Did you actually eat at 10pm?

If you book a dinner date for four hours and pay for four hours, and she gave you four hours of her time and at the end of that time I am assuming you were still out on the town, and then she offers you a bed for the night, I would think you should consider yourself lucky she did.

It should have been discussed what was expected, and it should also have been discussed when you went on to get drunk. I don't think you can blame her for it going wrong and you certainly should not expect a freebie from her at some later date.

IMHO

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It should have been made crystal clear exactly how long the dinner date time was and how long the fun time was, all the same the girl must have known that sex was part of the bargain, its down to the sp to manage the time arrangements of a booking unless the client has already suggested a time plan. She is the professional one. It was the sp responsibility to say 'look lets not go on to the other place or your four hours will be up with no jollies", yes the Op should have mentioned something but lets face it, sex is a given when a booking is paid for and if the guy paid for the time AND paid for the evenings expenses aswell she should have said lets have a coffee and sober up then have a bit of fun or lets meet on my bed at so and so time in the morning before you leave, it wouldnt have had to be a great long hour full of pse shagging, but at least then the guy would have got what he paid for.

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I have been saying for years --------------------- I don't pay WG's to eat, why does no one ever listen to me. :angry:

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I have been saying for years --------------------- I don't pay WG's to eat, why does no one ever listen to me. :angry:

cos they are not you and they have their own idea of money well spent and as they earned that money its up the them how they choose to spend it, unfortunatley though this guy's wasnt.

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- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

Reckon so.

This is why I don't do dinner dates. . . . well. . . that and indigestion. . :blink:

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So on New Year's Eve, I booked a dinner date with a lovely girl I've seen before (and had a really good fun time with the first time). First time - some months ago - was booked through an agency she no longer works with. We got on well and exchanged email addresses at that time. Then she left the UK for many months. She came back very recently and emailed me a couple of days ago to let me know she was back here... I thought how fantastic, would be really great to spend New Year's Eve with this girl. She doesn't have any other plans as only just arrived back in the UK, so the dinner date is duly arranged privately between us.

Dinner was excellent, she was flirtatious and fun and conversation was good. She had made an effort to dress really nice, looked totally stunning in fact. Later the evening started to drag on because we dropped into another venue for a while on the way home, both a bit drunk, then it took a long time to find a taxi (New Year's Eve), she was walking slowly because her shoes hurt her etc etc you get the picture - much like many of my "real" dates with girlfriends, I mean the non-paying variety...

Eventually we get back to her place, she says "Do you want to come up" and I say yes please. Once we're up there, she starts to say she's feeling tired, just wants a shower and to go to bed, tries to sit me down in front of the telly! I say I'm tired too so I'll wait while you have your shower, spend a bit of time with you, then I'll be going home. So anyhow, she gets out of the shower and says "Baby it's 2 in the morning, don't chase me, I'm too tired." But she's also concerned for how I'm to get home, so she says do I want to sleep in her flatmate's bedroom and spend the night there (her flatmate is away). I say yes, thinking maybe this is her way of making up to me, maybe she will be up for it in the morning. She then makes it pretty clear that's not the case, goes into her own room and closes her door firmly, says not to wake her up when I let myself out in the morning!

So that's exactly what I did, slept my 8 hours in the flatmate's bedroom, then quietly left in the morning without waking her - I did think about waking her but thought I might have a rather angry girl on my hands if I did.

So here I am now, quite a lot out of pocket and feeling short-changed, not really sure what to do. I haven't contacted her about this yet.

Thoughts:

- I feel strongly that a paying date ought to end in sex, that's kind of the point

- obviously not going to force myself on a girl that has made it clear she doesn't want it, and even if somehow I'd persuaded her or guilt-tripped her into sex last night it would have been no fun if she didn't really want it

- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

- generally, looking back, I've let her call the shots too much, been rather 'compliant' with what she asked

What I really think is that it's implied that a paying date will include sex and the girl, if she's professional, has some of the responsibility to make sure that happens - so if she's starting to feel tired or it's getting late, she should say "Let's go home now because I'm going to be too tired later".

So now I think this girl owes me one, but really not sure how to go about mentioning that to her or what the fair thing would be here. It would put everything right for her to give me a freebie next time. Better still if she contacts me without prompting to offer something like that to make it up to me. But I'd be highly surprised if that happens, I don't think many working girls would ever be willing to give their time for free. On the other hand if she won't offer me something like that, I'm left feeling exploited here and in that case I really wouldn't want to see this particular girl again.

Moral of this story

Don't do dinner dates, even with girls you know and trust.

Your paying so up to you to time the paid for time to suit you in my view. Did you actually specifically say you wanted sex at any stage either when you booked or during the booking. If not your not being crystal clear has allowed this situation to occur.

I have no interest in paid for dinner dates but i know being clear and communicating what you require is essential while punting. Never assume something will happen and be initiated by the WG, it might be, but thats down to the punter in the main.

My view regarding a dinner date like this implies sex is not if you havent previously agreed it or clearly asked her during the date. I punt for sex myself so i dont have these problems as its always sex i require.

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Thank you everyone for your interest and comments on this thread. Chloe @ MK and Sarah Summers especially thank you, because you put it very well and I agree with what you said.

I did not mean to spark the usual debate about whether dinner dates are value for money or not. Just for the record, as I'm sure I've posted before on this forum, I like dinner dates with WGs a lot, because it feels like a "real" date, I like building a connection with a girl, I like conversation and flirting over dinner and the whole build-up to sex later, and it just feels less cheap and more classy to me. I think the sex is better with this build-up. Generally with WGs my aim is to have as close as possible to a real connection, genuinely turn her on, and I like making girls cum. I think it is easier for a girl to be turned on, and to cum, if she is feeling relaxed with a man, and so the build-up helps. I also like the process for its own sake. It presses my buttons to take a girl out to dinner and have sex afterwards because from watching movies etc that is what I grew up thinking dates should be like. Generally the deal is that a dinner date involves 2 hours of dining out, one of which is a 'free' hour (or you could think of it as both hours out being at half rates), and then one or more hours of private time depending on total length of the date. So if you have a 4 hour dinner date you have 2 hours out, 2 hours private time, and you pay for 3 hours at the girl's regular hourly rates. As far as I'm concerned that is exactly fair, so I'm not paying a girl full rates for sitting and eating with me, but she's not giving me her time for free. Girls who offer this obviously think it is fair as well.

To try to give some further info about last night. No 'exact timetable' for the date was set in advance and it was not specified that it was to be exactly 4 hours long. The "deal" was that I would take this girl out on New Years Eve because both of us weren't doing anything else, and that it would be a dinner date with drinks/dancing to follow, and we would be out well after midnight. I suggested what I thought was the right amount of 'present' for that, which she was happy with, and sorry down I'm not going to give you an exact figure as it will only provoke JRC. I picked her up from her place, restaurant booked for 10pm and the rest was unspecified except that it was clear we would go back to her place afterwards. We talked about how it would be hard to find a taxi to come back there on NYE, so we went to venues not too far away where if necessary we would have other options, like night bus or a long walk. She did not close down the hatches on me at 2am because my time had "run out", there was not any argument or discussion about money or time spent. She behaved as she did because she is a real person and was genuinely tired and a little drunk by that time, and she genuinely wanted to go to bed (by herself). I don't think it would have made any difference if we'd explicitly stated 1 hour of 'intimate time', she would still have been tired, and actually if I'd insisted on an hour of intimacy that could just have created bad feeling.

Since I posted she has texted me, twice, without any prompting from me, very charming texts so I think we are going to sort this out. :-) I've suggested that I go round a bit later today, and pay her something to "extend" last night's booking, no response yet but I'm hopeful. Her texts were so friendly - and obviously recognising that something was awry - that I was tempted to ask for a freebie. But I don't think WGs ever really offer freebies - a little extra time at the end of a good booking is a different matter - and Sarah Summers post also makes that pretty clear.

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I have been saying for years --------------------- I don't pay WG's to eat, why does no one ever listen to me. angry.png

Acutually you left us gagging for your wisdom for almost a year.... and still nobody is listening to you.

Happy New Year JRC ;)

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I wouldn't rush this too much... given her latest texts it may well be that she will do the right thing without further intervention (or cash). If she does, then you are likely to continue the relationship and associated cash flow, if not then move on.

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Acutually you left us gagging for your wisdom for almost a year.... and still nobody is listening to you.

Happy New Year JRC ;)

ahh a woman after my own heart, although I did read and reply, no , i still didnt actually listen.x

Edited by Chloe MKEscorts

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The OP has gotten the GFE allright, or should we say the Real Partner Experience.

Contrary to some opinions, I think there wasnt much the OP could do: Respect for the Lady is the First and Foremost a punter should show, even though some think the girls are "merely" WGs.

If she is good/professional, the girl will make it up in due course. If not, then OP has to chalk it up to experience.

His main error was to go into a date without clear understandings or without really knowing the girl.

I have done dinner dates and overnights, but only with Ladies I knew very well. And I have only been dissapointed once, and I could see the reason why. I didnt and dont blame her for that evening, and we made up later.

Overnighters with or without dinner and longer arrangements are fine too, but .. only with well known, professional Ladies, and never had a problem there.

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I have been saying for years --------------------- I don't pay WG's to eat, why does no one ever listen to me. :angry:

hehehe.

We have been reading (not listening)...

welcome back, look forward to disagree on some items.

and give us a hand in eliminating the trolls willya.

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So on New Year's Eve, I booked a dinner date with a lovely girl I've seen before (and had a really good fun time with the first time). First time - some months ago - was booked through an agency she no longer works with. We got on well and exchanged email addresses at that time. Then she left the UK for many months. She came back very recently and emailed me a couple of days ago to let me know she was back here... I thought how fantastic, would be really great to spend New Year's Eve with this girl. She doesn't have any other plans as only just arrived back in the UK, so the dinner date is duly arranged privately between us.

Dinner was excellent, she was flirtatious and fun and conversation was good. She had made an effort to dress really nice, looked totally stunning in fact. Later the evening started to drag on because we dropped into another venue for a while on the way home, both a bit drunk, then it took a long time to find a taxi (New Year's Eve), she was walking slowly because her shoes hurt her etc etc you get the picture - much like many of my "real" dates with girlfriends, I mean the non-paying variety...

Eventually we get back to her place, she says "Do you want to come up" and I say yes please. Once we're up there, she starts to say she's feeling tired, just wants a shower and to go to bed, tries to sit me down in front of the telly! I say I'm tired too so I'll wait while you have your shower, spend a bit of time with you, then I'll be going home. So anyhow, she gets out of the shower and says "Baby it's 2 in the morning, don't chase me, I'm too tired." But she's also concerned for how I'm to get home, so she says do I want to sleep in her flatmate's bedroom and spend the night there (her flatmate is away). I say yes, thinking maybe this is her way of making up to me, maybe she will be up for it in the morning. She then makes it pretty clear that's not the case, goes into her own room and closes her door firmly, says not to wake her up when I let myself out in the morning!

So that's exactly what I did, slept my 8 hours in the flatmate's bedroom, then quietly left in the morning without waking her - I did think about waking her but thought I might have a rather angry girl on my hands if I did.

So here I am now, quite a lot out of pocket and feeling short-changed, not really sure what to do. I haven't contacted her about this yet.

Thoughts:

- I feel strongly that a paying date ought to end in sex, that's kind of the point

- obviously not going to force myself on a girl that has made it clear she doesn't want it, and even if somehow I'd persuaded her or guilt-tripped her into sex last night it would have been no fun if she didn't really want it

- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

- generally, looking back, I've let her call the shots too much, been rather 'compliant' with what she asked

What I really think is that it's implied that a paying date will include sex and the girl, if she's professional, has some of the responsibility to make sure that happens - so if she's starting to feel tired or it's getting late, she should say "Let's go home now because I'm going to be too tired later".

So now I think this girl owes me one, but really not sure how to go about mentioning that to her or what the fair thing would be here. It would put everything right for her to give me a freebie next time. Better still if she contacts me without prompting to offer something like that to make it up to me. But I'd be highly surprised if that happens, I don't think many working girls would ever be willing to give their time for free. On the other hand if she won't offer me something like that, I'm left feeling exploited here and in that case I really wouldn't want to see this particular girl again.

Moral of this story

Don't do dinner dates, even with girls you know and trust.

You pay a girl a considerable sum (I imagine) to go on a 4 hour dinner date with you, and then out of 'kindness' she allows you to sleep at her place, in a different bed, in a different room, her door firmly shut, telling you that whatever you do, not to wake her when you leave.

Just imagine all the sex you could have had in 4 hours instead, and you wouldnt have finished the session feeling rotten, disappointed and somehow 'cheated', on New Years Eve.

Paid for, so called 'dinner dates'................ dont do 'em, dont think I ever will, especially after this description

You have my sympathies BeautySeeker

Incidentally, I had an absolutely wonderful 1 hour incall session on Friday with 007escort's Mata, who in the middle of proceedings (after round 1), took a few minutes out to cook me an impromptu microwave pizza.........soon after that we started up on round 2.

Now that sort of 5 minute unplanned dinner date I can live with !

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I think some comments miss the point that dinner date appts are what the OP enjoys and make the sex at the end worthwhile for him to pay for.

It seems it has all gone well for him previously and I can see the attraction in it.

I am not so sure what he is wanting from replies as only he knows the exact circumstances, knows the girl at all, has read her emails and knows how much he wants to add further payment to conclude the initial plan.

It does seem the extra payment would be for the un-built up process he likes so much but his choice.

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Incidentally, I had an absolutely wonderful 1 hour incall session on Friday with 007escort's Mata, who in the middle of proceedings (after round 1), took a few minutes out to cook me an impromptu microwave pizza.........soon after that we started up on round 2.

Now that sort of 5 minute unplanned dinner date I can live with !

Marvellous. Has to be the best solution.

I used to have a regular WG and we would regularly go out for dinner after a session. She wouldn't do dinner first because she didn't like sex on a full stomach. She didn't charge for dinner date time and on occasion insisted on paying the bill. The problem was that I always felt horny again after we'd eaten, and she'd just kiss me goodbye!

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Looking forward to the next intallment, BeautySeeker, should you choose to share. :)

Hope it's positive.

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The OP has gotten the GFE allright, or should we say the Real Partner Experience. Contrary to some opinions, I think there wasnt much the OP could do: Respect for the Lady is the First and Foremost a punter should show, even though some think the girls are "merely" WGs. If she is good/professional, the girl will make it up in due course. If not, then OP has to chalk it up to experience. His main error was to go into a date without clear understandings or without really knowing the girl. I have done dinner dates and overnights, but only with Ladies I knew very well. And I have only been dissapointed once, and I could see the reason why. I didnt and dont blame her for that evening, and we made up later. Overnighters with or without dinner and longer arrangements are fine too, but .. only with well known, professional Ladies, and never had a problem there.

There was something the OP could of done, clearly communicated his requirements when booking which not doing as you say was his main error, i agree there wasnt much he could do when he got back to the premises as by then it was too late. Hopefully his communicating with her since will ensure what he requires is on offer next time. Specify and make clear your desires is my advice to punters, if you actually want sex tell the WG dont beat around the bush about it. ;)

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Thank you everyone for your interest and comments on this thread. Chloe @ MK and Sarah Summers especially thank you, because you put it very well and I agree with what you said. I did not mean to spark the usual debate about whether dinner dates are value for money or not. Just for the record, as I'm sure I've posted before on this forum, I like dinner dates with WGs a lot, because it feels like a "real" date, I like building a connection with a girl, I like conversation and flirting over dinner and the whole build-up to sex later, and it just feels less cheap and more classy to me. I think the sex is better with this build-up. Generally with WGs my aim is to have as close as possible to a real connection, genuinely turn her on, and I like making girls cum. I think it is easier for a girl to be turned on, and to cum, if she is feeling relaxed with a man, and so the build-up helps. I also like the process for its own sake. It presses my buttons to take a girl out to dinner and have sex afterwards because from watching movies etc that is what I grew up thinking dates should be like. Generally the deal is that a dinner date involves 2 hours of dining out, one of which is a 'free' hour (or you could think of it as both hours out being at half rates), and then one or more hours of private time depending on total length of the date. So if you have a 4 hour dinner date you have 2 hours out, 2 hours private time, and you pay for 3 hours at the girl's regular hourly rates. As far as I'm concerned that is exactly fair, so I'm not paying a girl full rates for sitting and eating with me, but she's not giving me her time for free. Girls who offer this obviously think it is fair as well. To try to give some further info about last night. No 'exact timetable' for the date was set in advance and it was not specified that it was to be exactly 4 hours long. The "deal" was that I would take this girl out on New Years Eve because both of us weren't doing anything else, and that it would be a dinner date with drinks/dancing to follow, and we would be out well after midnight. I suggested what I thought was the right amount of 'present' for that, which she was happy with, and sorry down I'm not going to give you an exact figure as it will only provoke JRC. I picked her up from her place, restaurant booked for 10pm and the rest was unspecified except that it was clear we would go back to her place afterwards. We talked about how it would be hard to find a taxi to come back there on NYE, so we went to venues not too far away where if necessary we would have other options, like night bus or a long walk. She did not close down the hatches on me at 2am because my time had "run out", there was not any argument or discussion about money or time spent. She behaved as she did because she is a real person and was genuinely tired and a little drunk by that time, and she genuinely wanted to go to bed (by herself). I don't think it would have made any difference if we'd explicitly stated 1 hour of 'intimate time', she would still have been tired, and actually if I'd insisted on an hour of intimacy that could just have created bad feeling. Since I posted she has texted me, twice, without any prompting from me, very charming texts so I think we are going to sort this out. :-) I've suggested that I go round a bit later today, and pay her something to "extend" last night's booking, no response yet but I'm hopeful. Her texts were so friendly - and obviously recognising that something was awry - that I was tempted to ask for a freebie. But I don't think WGs ever really offer freebies - a little extra time at the end of a good booking is a different matter - and Sarah Summers post also makes that pretty clear.

So will you now by sticking to your moral of the story after this experience, when i assume you have had good dinner dates before as you say you like them. Has this one experience changed your views about them?

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Give her a chance to rectify it was late - mistakes were made on both parts, he should have booked the taxi for 11.30pm to get back to her place on time for their 'paring' taxis do take advanced bookings even on NYE.

You did have 4 hours of her time of which 2 should have been pvt, by your reckoning 'date' time is half her hourly rate (I think that is a little high but what you agreed on)

So really if you want 2 hours further pvt time, to offer another of her hourly rate would not be unreasonable.

Otherwise just take an hour and call it even.

I am sure she will come good

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I have been saying for years --------------------- I don't pay WG's to eat, why does no one ever listen to me. :angry:

It's a bit like living next to an airport. The noise will drive you mental for a little while but after a bit you just don't hear it any more.

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You picked her up from her house, you (both) didn't plan how the date was going to unfold, how long it would last and how you would get back home afterwards, you referred to the payment as a "present"... no wonder problems arose.

And maybe she actually understood the evening literally as a date and the money as a gift?

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Thoughts:

- I feel strongly that a paying date ought to end in sex, that's kind of the point

- obviously not going to force myself on a girl that has made it clear she doesn't want it, and even if somehow I'd persuaded her or guilt-tripped her into sex last night it would have been no fun if she didn't really want it

- could be said I've nothing to complain about, she spent 4 hours of her time with me which is what I paid her for (and "money paid is for time and companionship only") and it's my problem that I didn't organise the evening well enough to leave some time for sex before it got too late

- generally, looking back, I've let her call the shots too much, been rather 'compliant' with what she asked

You've answered your own questions in your summary. Since you did not plan the evening properly or dictate you wanted sex it ended like a very expensive casual date. You are paying for 'companionship', she doesn't have to have sex with you at all. Sometimes it takes sad stories like this to make us wake up. Don't get emotionally attached to anyone you have to pay for sex.

Prostitutes want as much money with as little effort as possible. Once they have done thier obligations they don't give a **** about you. You should NEVER believe they are your friend or lover, that is the most naive and pocket emptying notion you can persue. Look after number one, you should have got yours at the start of the date and let all the other irrelevant stuff run over time.

If she cared about you she would be your girlfriend.

She owes you nothing, not a freebie or a 'next time', nothing. Move on and learn from it.

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