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Blimey - Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning!

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Amongst the replies to the Independent article at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/punter-net-prostitutes-thank-harriet-harman-for-publicity-boost-1796759.html

is this one:-

"Spitting feathers

viv_hassal123 wrote:

Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC)

speaking as an Independet escort, I cannot contain my anger over this article.

Has the Independent become a pimp?

I use PN to advertise myself, but do not use the message forums since they are a mix of decent people and absolute loonies. They discuss the sex scene in a banal fashion, and choose to ignore the more distasteful elements of the sex industry and certainly do not want to address the most distressing issues such as trafficking.

In showcasing these two particular ladies, you have enabled them to advertise! I can't believe you have done this!

The ladies who post on the message board only do it for one reason and that is to increase their profile.

I don't see any one of them campaigning for anything other than their own fame.

There are some of us who care about the weaker, more vulnerable workers in this industry, and these two are a fine example of those who glorify the industry, and keep it in the gutter."

Now everybody is quite entitled to their views but to slag off Dolly and Laura is just plain silly. Furthermore, saying "The ladies who post on the message board only do it for one reason and that is to increase their profile." is ludicrous.

One does wonder if she actually reads these boards. Strange................................

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Yes, I read that and thought much the same. In fact, I wonder if "viv_hassal123" is actually a WG at all...?

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Yes, I read that and thought much the same. In fact, I wonder if "viv_hassal123" is actually a WG at all...?

I saw it too and I have to say that I immediately thought that she is definitely not a wg.. More like somebody from Harriet's or Julie Bindel's camp.

Her comment 'There are some of us who care about the weaker, more vulnerable workers in this industry'

really proves that she cant be as anybody in this industry whether we are on here or not do exactly that to a large extent.

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Aside from the obviously trollish aspect to it, actually it's factually incorrect. I was one of only three escorts to attend a recent debate with Julie Bindel to voice our concerns at the proposed rendering it illegal for clients to pay for sex.

Our argument was, ( and still is ) that if this proposed legislation goes ahead, then the industry will be driven further underground and it is precisely the more vulnerable in our industry who will suffer. That is, women who are coerced, pimped or trafficked. :o:mad:

If I or any of the ladies didn't care for the welfare of these women, why on earth would we have put ourselves in the firing line ?

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I saw it too and I have to say that I immediately thought that she is definitely not a wg.. More like somebody from Harriet's or Julie Bindel's camp.

Her comment 'There are some of us who care about the weaker, more vulnerable workers in this industry'

really proves that she cant be as anybody in this industry whether we are on here or not do exactly that to a large extent.

My first thoughts were exactly that, but she says that she is so presumably she is, unless she is just a loony.

Perhaps she would like to post here and explain her position further (I, for one, am not exactly holding my breath though)

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I saw it too and I have to say that I immediately thought that she is definitely not a wg.. More like somebody from Harriet's or Julie Bindel's camp.

Her comment 'There are some of us who care about the weaker, more vulnerable workers in this industry'

really proves that she cant be as anybody in this industry whether we are on here or not do exactly that to a large extent.

This just goes to show how wrong some casual observers of this message board can be. I know that Pia cares a lot about the people in this industry and does a lot more than she lets on to promote good practice and help others. Please keep it up Pia (and all you other girls on here who do the same), you are a credit to us all.

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viv_hassal123 wrote: .....

"I use PN to advertise myself, but do not use the message forums since they are a mix of decent people and absolute loonies."....

Well, she has one thing right though :o;):D

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viv_hassal123 wrote: .....

"The ladies who post on the message board only do it for one reason and that is to increase their profile"

.....

If that's the case then Ms Hassal, why are there so many

a) Retired WGs

:D Anonymous WGs

c) WGs who don't use the option to link to a website

posting on this forum?

Goodness me, talk about getting it all so wrong :o We'd be naive to assume that a bit of publicity isn't a positive side effect of girls posting in a particular style on here, but by no means all of the girls are here for that reason (or that reason alone).

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If that's the case then Ms Hassal, why are there so many

a) Retired WGs

:D Anonymous WGs

c) WGs who don't use the option to link to a website

posting on this forum?

Goodness me, talk about getting it all so wrong :o We'd be naive to assume that a bit of publicity isn't a positive side effect of girls posting in a particular style on here, but by no means all of the girls are here for that reason (or that reason alone).

This is very interesting.

More interesting for the fact that several quizzed me the other night in the chatroom for not having a link to my website on my profile.

"Well how do you get punters then?" asked one

"99.9% join Pnet to advertise, you are that other 1%" said another.

That is not my opinion, these were comments which were made to me.

Personally i dont agree with her comments about the wgs that were quoted in the paper. It is their right to reply, as its hers.

And its not the Independent that 'showcased' these ladies. It was Harriet Harman that showcased Punternet and all who advertise here.

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Mmmmh, not sure what to make of this comment. While I can appreciate that many might assume this to be someone from Ms Harman's camp or one of Bindel's storm troopers, there are unfortunately some WGs that begrudge the good reputation of ladies among not only gents but fellow floozies. Sadly, despite all being in the same industry, we do not always represent one united front as there are ladies that instead of worrying about their own advertising focus and begrudge the savvy marketing of others. Ironically so the ladies attacked are among a great group of wonderful wenches that are very generous with their support and genuinely care for their fellow harlots. This sounds very much like sour grapes about the media attention the ladies received rather than genuine concern for the welfare of more vulnerable ladies.

As an aside, many of us give advice on peer led forums, as well as acting as buddies and there is a massive support system among ladies. Laura and others took the time and trouble to attend a meeting and there are similar events across the UK. However, we are also independent ladies that run a business and while we wish others no harm and hope they work in a safe environment, we are not solely responsible for their welfare. Most of the do-gooders tend to focus on street work and perpetuate the myth that prostitutes were driven to the sex industry due to childhood abuse, severe trauma, drug dependency etc. Undoubtedly, this side of the spectrum exists but we are no more personally responsible to look after them then society overall. Most of us are not trained social workers or part of the police force so why should we roam the streets to rescue these 'poor' women from pimps and exploitation. Instead we ought to focus on preventing ill thought out legislation that undermines safe and sensible sex work!

And of course, many of us use forums to also raise our profile. Anyone who offers a service would utilise the net incuding industry boards to reach potential clients. It's called running a good business.

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There are some of us who care about the weaker, more vulnerable workers in this industry, and these two are a fine example of those who glorify the industry, and keep it in the gutter."

The author of that comment has clearly never spent even one minute in either Laura's or Dollymopp's company. :D:o

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The author of that comment has clearly never spent even one minute in either Laura's or Dollymopp's company. :D:o

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Too true - if they met Mrs Mopp they would have referred to her as motormouth... :D

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Maybe its worth bringing to Viv'shatever her name is)attention that it was actually me that started the message to Harriet thread that prompted the article featuring Dolly and Laura in the first place.

I certainly did not do it to further my career as I've been retired from the business for well over a year now and have no intention of returning for the forseeable future,so can't see what good the article or defending this website is going to do me at all, and as for helping trafficked girls, I personally have met and helped trafficked women in the past, as have other women that advertise here that I know about and can prove. I wonder if this Viv or Hariet Harman can say the same.

To say that the girls featured in the article are only concerned with furthering themselves and not interested in the difficult issues of trafficking ect is very shortsighted. This person in my opinion either knows nothing about the industry and the very ladies she is slating (if they did they would not have made those comments), or they have been banned from here at some point and just attacking the ladies here as a way of attacking Punternet.

Its shallow and not doing her fellow work colleges, women that may be trafficked, the industry as a whole, her clients, internet based advertising services or anyone else any good at all. Those of us that work or have worked within this profession should be supporting each other, not attacking each other. Lets leave the in fighting to the politicians shall we.

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Too true - if they met Mrs Mopp they would have referred to her as motormouth... :o

Ooooooh! I have, and I don't and won't!

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To be honest it would not be the first time i have seen a WG slag off another WG.

I have seen attacks made at Dolly and alike before.

Because Dolly and many others come across light hearted/fluffy they tend to get tagged as living life as a WG with rose tinted glasses.

Dolly would and has many times said she has seen the "other" side of the industry.

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Ooooooh! I have, and I don't and won't!

Hahahaha - did you get a word in edgeways :o

But to come back to accusing her and Laura to stoop to gutter level is unbelievable! Both are articulate, intelligent, passionate ladies that have interesting and stimulating views on a wide range of subject away from our industry and actually stimulate and elevate the level of discussion on different forums.

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My first thoughts were exactly that, but she says that she is so presumably she is, unless she is just a loony.

I get the impression that it is professional jealousy. She advertises on PN but doesn't participate in the forum because it's not an advertising medium and is obviously sore because she sees herself as having missed an opportunity to raise her profile/promote herself.

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So what is the general opinion as to who/what this viv_hassal123 is or might be:-

* A loony?

* A troll?

* A bitter and jealous WG?

* An HH cheerleader?

Answers on a postcard please......................:o

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This is very interesting.

More interesting for the fact that several quizzed me the other night in the chatroom for not having a link to my website on my profile.

"Well how do you get punters then?" asked one

"99.9% join Pnet to advertise, you are that other 1%" said another.

That is not my opinion, these were comments which were made to me.

Personally i dont agree with her comments about the wgs that were quoted in the paper. It is their right to reply, as its hers.

And its not the Independent that 'showcased' these ladies. It was Harriet Harman that showcased Punternet and all who advertise here.

I was specifically thinking of you (and a couple of others) when I wrote my post.

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To be honest it would not be the first time i have seen a WG slag off another WG.

I have seen attacks made at Dolly and alike before.

Because Dolly and many others come across light hearted/fluffy they tend to get tagged as living life as a WG with rose tinted glasses.

Dolly would and has many times said she has seen the "other" side of the industry.

I agree Sirpuntsalot.

I have to say, I enjoy reading Dolly's posts which come across on this pnet message board as being fun and light hearted but also very articulate.

Inevitably, because Dolly is the way she is- expressive and doesn't hold back from saying what she has to say- this undoubtly would get 'up some people's nose' thats, (lets face it), lack any kind of humour or substance about their being.

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Too true - if they met Mrs Mopp they would have referred to her as motormouth... :D

R O F L !

Never a dull moment indeed.

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On a more serious note.

It is not that visible on this board, but in other locations (on the internet and in the bedroom) there is a good bit of bad-mouthing, back-stabbing and gossiping going on.

Jealousy ? Competition ? Difference of style ? woteva.

(almost like office politics, and I'm sure HH had to do her nasty bit of elbowing to get where she is too)

Never Believe a thing said by anyone concerning any other (known or unknown) participant in this (and other) industries.

I've had a few women start an unexpected RANT about a competing girl a few times.

Not Done! (but does make me curious to go an see..)

Any information: Trust but Verify (if needed).

Discussing other participants in private is a bad habit, especially in a discreet industry.

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I was specifically thinking of you (and a couple of others) when I wrote my post.

Yes, i have since been told there are a few wgs that post anonymously.

It still makes people suspicious apparently but i am glad thats just a minority or else it gives weight to the comments of the wg Viv-whatever

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On a more serious note.

It is not that visible on this board, but in other locations (on the internet and in the bedroom) there is a good bit of bad-mouthing, back-stabbing and gossiping going on.

Jealousy ? Competition ? Difference of style ? woteva.

(almost like office politics, and I'm sure HH had to do her nasty bit of elbowing to get where she is too)

Never Believe a thing said by anyone concerning any other (known or unknown) participant in this (and other) industries.

I've had a few women start an unexpected RANT about a competing girl a few times.

Not Done! (but does make me curious to go an see..)

Any information: Trust but Verify (if needed).

Discussing other participants in private is a bad habit, especially in a discreet industry.

Unfortunately you will get this everywhere you go ptr, in any work enviroment, particular there is alot I notice in the 'sex industry'- but doesn't that go with the territory ?

personally, I can't stand anything like that, I don't feel there is a need for it. If your comfortable as a person, who you are and in your own skin then you don't tend to look outside of yourself to see other's in that light.

We all have to get on together in this life-(well, we should!) isn't there enough problems without all this 'animosity' ?

I suppose I feel so strongly about this sort of thing, jealousy etc,. As I have been on the recieving end myself once or twice, and it's NOT a nice thing at all.

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On a more serious note.

It is not that visible on this board, but in other locations (on the internet and in the bedroom) there is a good bit of bad-mouthing, back-stabbing and gossiping going on.

Jealousy ? Competition ? Difference of style ? woteva.

(almost like office politics, and I'm sure HH had to do her nasty bit of elbowing to get where she is too)

Never Believe a thing said by anyone concerning any other (known or unknown) participant in this (and other) industries.

I've had a few women start an unexpected RANT about a competing girl a few times.

Not Done! (but does make me curious to go an see..)

Any information: Trust but Verify (if needed).

Discussing other participants in private is a bad habit, especially in a discreet industry.

Yeah im sure a lot of wgs have been on the recieving end of back-stabbing. Its not nice, but it does happen. Suppose its like in any work place, you get on better with one person than another.

But definately ranting about another girl isnt good form and actually says more about the girl doing the rant than the girl she's talking about

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